Yaroslav Halchenko wrote:
I really appreciate work of Trolltech ... Nokia toward making pure
qtopia available for Freerunner. Probably the suite of QT apps available
for qtopia would be sufficient for a large portion of FR owners, but
would not satisfy all of them. But that again simply comes
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:11:39 -0400 Yaroslav Halchenko
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recently. BUT to get such responsive UI sacrifices had been made, thus
there is no X (I do not even want to touch GPL vs BSD/... issue here).
actually to be more on topic - sacrificing x11 does not make a ui more
Timo Jyrinki wrote:
2008/7/23 Shawn Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
But what does closed mean? It's been getting more and more open for
years now. Finally even QTopia is GPL... I think that's the last
piece isn't it? Is it because it already emerged fully-formed, and
was not depending on
Lorn Potter wrote, On 23/07/08 09:23:
Timo Jyrinki wrote:
[snip]
It cannot be so hard to understand that not everyone wants to port
everything into one toolkit. It doesn't matter which toolkit that is.
Phones are becoming computers and do not need any less flexibility on
what can be
Shawn Rutledge wrote:
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I might do qtopia more wrong than is fair. But they modelling just a
regular smart phone like you can get from most vendors.
With a very closed (but opensource) framework wich you can develop for.
On Wednesday 23 July 2008 01:38:35 Lorn Potter wrote:
i never mentioned commercial apps nor money.
Yes you did. pay for a license' implies both money and you needing a
commercial license, which implies you intend on producing closed source
applications.
maybe he just wants commercial
Holger Freyther wrote:
On Wednesday 23 July 2008 01:38:35 Lorn Potter wrote:
i never mentioned commercial apps nor money.
Yes you did. pay for a license' implies both money and you needing a
commercial license, which implies you intend on producing closed source
applications.
maybe he
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:42:19 +1000 Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
Holger Freyther wrote:
On Wednesday 23 July 2008 01:38:35 Lorn Potter wrote:
i never mentioned commercial apps nor money.
Yes you did. pay for a license' implies both money and
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:21:21 +1000 Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:42:19 +1000 Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
Holger Freyther wrote:
On Wednesday 23 July 2008 01:38:35 Lorn Potter wrote:
i never
Hello,
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 12:21 AM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
By releasing something that allows closed source linking, you are restricting
your users rights to
recompile all the software. How is that giving your users more rights?
If you don't like free software, why the
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 00:42, Torfinn Ingolfsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
People, this discussion has turned _very_ off topic now.
Could you all please take further discussion on this subject in a
place where it is more on topic?
Thank you.
Well not so off topic since we are at a point
just my few cents... please be gentle if I reveal some ignorance in any
part of my expressions
such a topic could go forever and include thousands of replies because
it debates some basic decisions which had been made and which have
sufficient amount of pros and cons for the each side of the
Am 22.07.2008 um 02:38 schrieb Lorn Potter:
Tilman Baumann wrote:
Am 21.07.2008 um 20:08 schrieb Lorn Potter:
Tilman Baumann wrote:
Yorick Moko wrote:
This might be a stupid question, but it isn't the first and will
not
be the last stupid one I ask :).
I have glimpsed at the 2007.2,
Tilman Baumann wrote:
And not using x11 is probably a very sane step, if you can live
without the portability factor. (That's porting other apps)
There is no portability factor. Only which toolkit is available.
As one of our engineers here said on our internal discussion (and goes
back to
Lorn Potter wrote:
Tilman Baumann wrote:
And not using x11 is probably a very sane step, if you can live
without the portability factor. (That's porting other apps)
There is no portability factor. Only which toolkit is available.
You mean porting a toolkit on the basic QT canvas objects?
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:10:27 +1000 Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
Tilman Baumann wrote:
And not using x11 is probably a very sane step, if you can live
without the portability factor. (That's porting other apps)
There is no portability factor. Only which toolkit is available.
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:38:35 +1000 Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
Well, a almost desktop compliant x11 system with a wide variety of
frameworks, libs and programming languages.
It will be hard to achieve a consistent look and feel across all these
toolkits. Not to mention inter
I just played with Qt Jambi the Trolltech Java UI SDK for Java. It looks good,
but will it work
under Qtopia? Or only under Qt/X11?
I have Jalimo loaded on the FR and of course non of the graphics libs they
provide work because they
are GTK/X11, so what does it take to use Java to write an
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:38:35 +1000 Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
Well, a almost desktop compliant x11 system with a wide variety of
frameworks, libs and programming languages.
It will be hard to achieve a consistent look and feel across all
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:36:06 +1000 Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
i guess i just don't lik the idea of a thin vertical stack where at each
layer 1 choice has been made for me and i'm stuck with it, like it or not,
or i move to a whole different stack. eg - must use qt, or must use
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:36:06 +1000 Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
i guess i just don't lik the idea of a thin vertical stack where at each
layer 1 choice has been made for me and i'm stuck with it, like it or not,
or i move to a whole different
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:38:35 +1000 Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
and so from that point of view - qtopia would be a loser as it has many
fewer apps written for it than general X11. :)
No, because it is easy to make a Qt app into a Qtopia app.
two or three line change in the best
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I might do qtopia more wrong than is fair. But they modelling just a
regular smart phone like you can get from most vendors.
With a very closed (but opensource) framework wich you can develop for.
You can not port your
This might be a stupid question, but it isn't the first and will not
be the last stupid one I ask :).
I have glimpsed at the 2007.2, ASU and qtopia image (the latest
builds) and a very noticable difference is the speed.
Will this improve in the ASU and the 2007.2 or should I not get my
hopes on?
I don't really know for sure but if i had to guess id say it's probably
because Qtopia has been around much longer and so is more optimised.
Probably has much less debug code enabled as well..
Ben.
Yorick Moko wrote:
This might be a stupid question, but it isn't the first and will not
be the
Yorick Moko wrote:
This might be a stupid question, but it isn't the first and will not
be the last stupid one I ask :).
I have glimpsed at the 2007.2, ASU and qtopia image (the latest
builds) and a very noticable difference is the speed.
Will this improve in the ASU and the 2007.2 or should
Tilman Baumann wrote:
Yorick Moko wrote:
This might be a stupid question, but it isn't the first and will not
be the last stupid one I ask :).
I have glimpsed at the 2007.2, ASU and qtopia image (the latest
builds) and a very noticable difference is the speed.
Will this improve in the ASU
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:11:25 +0200 Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
This might be a stupid question, but it isn't the first and will not
be the last stupid one I ask :).
I have glimpsed at the 2007.2, ASU and qtopia image (the latest
builds) and a very noticable difference is the speed.
Am 21.07.2008 um 20:08 schrieb Lorn Potter:
Tilman Baumann wrote:
Yorick Moko wrote:
This might be a stupid question, but it isn't the first and will not
be the last stupid one I ask :).
I have glimpsed at the 2007.2, ASU and qtopia image (the latest
builds) and a very noticable difference
Tilman Baumann wrote:
Am 21.07.2008 um 20:08 schrieb Lorn Potter:
Tilman Baumann wrote:
Yorick Moko wrote:
This might be a stupid question, but it isn't the first and will not
be the last stupid one I ask :).
I have glimpsed at the 2007.2, ASU and qtopia image (the latest
builds) and a
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