On 7/16/07, Richard Reichenbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I understand where you are coming from with the OpenMoko's philosophy
being the Neo's strong point but I just don't feel that that's enough to
draw in the average consumer and the Neo is the perfect device for the tech
savvy user,
You want to accept money from MS? Would be quite ironic :P
A little strange that MS would not check their randomly selected winners..
They might just want to give us a chance ;)
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On Monday 16 July 2007 09:38:11 ramsesoriginal wrote:
only one with The OpenMoko: now with builtin navigator and so on.
Don't even THINK of using based on Linux Kernel 2.6.xx or With powerful
ssh acess
Not sure that's well spent money really: Linux using people generally read
Linux
Maybe anybody could build a vmware image with all development tools already
installed? That would make it much easier for us..? (at least for me...)
(Then it would be possible to develope even on a MS mashine *smile*)
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From: Hans van der Merwe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
su, 2007-07-15 kello 20:22 -0700, Doug Jones kirjoitti:
Anyway, figuring out how to power an external WiFi adapter isn't the
main issue. The question is, is it worth the time to monkey around with
WiFi drivers for hardware that isn't going into the final product, just
so we can test WiFi
Justyn Butler wrote:
Mail sent to @gmail.com http://gmail.com rather than @ googlemail.com
http://googlemail.com still reaches me, but it will not allow me to
send from @gmail.com http://gmail.com.
You seem to be unaware of the fact that unsigned emails can be trivially
spoofed? From what I've
I was going to suggest this too. This is the approach taken for the Neuros
OSD, another linux-based device. It would give a known-working build and test
environment, rather than having potential developers spending time trying to
put such an environment together. Mokomakefile is good, but I
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:47:34 +0200
Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 16 July 2007 02:39:56 Jae Stutzman wrote:
demonstrated it. What is the point of all this anyways: promoting freedom.
The consumer isn't an idiot, although MS would want us all to believe it.
If you don't
Le dimanche 15 juillet 2007 à 21:35 -0500, Steven ** a écrit :
Is this page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications enough of a
roadmap?
Yes right, this is a roadmap, rather for the core set of OpenMoko
developers though.
There is no roadmap for the community wish list and I fear that it
I am and it in fact turns out that simply specifying the reply-to address as
the email used during ordering works fine too. I have now used this method
to cancel my original order.
There were a few issues that made me decide it would be less hassle to
re-order:
1) I would have had to spoof
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:11:08 +0300
Mikko Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
su, 2007-07-15 kello 20:22 -0700, Doug Jones kirjoitti:
Anyway, figuring out how to power an external WiFi adapter isn't the
main issue. The question is, is it worth the time to monkey around with
WiFi drivers for
i'm agree --- a good (simple installing ) development envirement can be
important for the whole neo projekt (think of an simple eclipse-plugin ...
you just install is ... and have fun. (with sample basic hello-world neo
example and a good documentation))
torsten
ps: for a core-level programmer
Al Johnson wrote:
I was going to suggest this too. This is the approach taken for the Neuros
OSD, another linux-based device. It would give a known-working build and test
environment, rather than having potential developers spending time trying to
put such an environment together. Mokomakefile
Dear OpenMoko Community,
iam very exited about the openmoko phone and just waiting for the release in
october.
I'd like to ask if there are people in Germany who want to present the openmoko
phone on our local linux event in Germany.
It's a Linux information event for a weekend, from 10.11. to
On Monday 16 July 2007 11:38, Jeff Rush wrote:
Al Johnson wrote:
I was going to suggest this too. This is the approach taken for the
Neuros OSD, another linux-based device. It would give a known-working
build and test environment, rather than having potential developers
spending time
Al Johnson wrote:
On Monday 16 July 2007 11:38, Jeff Rush wrote:
Al Johnson wrote:
I was going to suggest this too. This is the approach taken for the
Neuros OSD, another linux-based device. It would give a known-working
build and test environment, rather than having potential developers
I placed my order the first day that they were (supposedly) available
online. Of course, I wasn't offered a color choice - but that's not an
issue as I was just getting it to begin developing an employee time
tracking application. Anyways, I still have not received a confirmation
email. Nor
Giles Jones wrote:
If you minimise the time using the stylus then you eliminate a huge
section of the public who don't want to use a stylus (yes I know the
Nintendo DS has one and has sold 40 million ;)). I would say the main
reason for using the stylus is drawing lines.
Using fingers to
Hi,
Do you know the European GPS called Galileo available in 2008 ?
I do not know this technology (GPS) and I wonder if the two are
compatible and if having a AGPS chip (Hammerhead) enable the Neo to
receive Galileo information. It's not really openmoko related, I know.
Just wondering.
Best
Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
For the address book example. I would prefer to have a list that showed
only a few names with a large area for each. When you clicked the name,
it would pop-up (again large buttons) the actions that you could take
(Dial, SMS, Email, Edit/Other).
On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 09:09 -0500, Jeff Rush wrote:
I have both too, and use gcc-config to switch when emerging qemu. If I
select
3.4.6 with gcc-config then run 'make qemu' mtn complains:
mtn: /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.6/libstdc++.so.6:
version 'GLIBCXX_3.4.6' not
On Monday 16 July 2007 16:09, Mickael Faivre-Macon wrote:
Hi,
Do you know the European GPS called Galileo available in 2008 ?
If they ever get the funding sorted out - see
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/05/galileo_commons_debate/ and related
stories at the bottom of the page. I don't
Mickael Faivre-Macon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
Hi,
Do you know the European GPS called Galileo available in 2008 ?
I do not know this technology (GPS) and I wonder if the two are
compatible and if having a AGPS chip (Hammerhead) enable the Neo to
receive Galileo information. It's not
ma, 2007-07-16 kello 17:09 +0200, Mickael Faivre-Macon kirjoitti:
Do you know the European GPS called Galileo available in 2008 ?
I do not know this technology (GPS) and I wonder if the two are
compatible and if having a AGPS chip (Hammerhead) enable the Neo to
receive Galileo information.
Mickael Faivre-Macon wrote:
Hi,
Do you know the European GPS called Galileo available in 2008 ?
I do not know this technology (GPS) and I wonder if the two are
compatible and if having a AGPS chip (Hammerhead) enable the Neo to
receive Galileo information. It's not really openmoko related, I
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007, Ian Stirling wrote:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List_-_Hardware#Galileo.2FGLONASS.2FGPS_receiver
GLONASS?
Isn't that the Soviet GPS-alike that is mostly dead? What's remains
of it I believe is currently optimised for use in Russian military
deployments in
I completely agree. My idea is to make two advertisment campains: one on
maisntream media: maybe tv, maybe radio, flyre, poster, newspapers,
wathever. This ads would be something like: The free phone, OpenMoko.
The only one with The OpenMoko: now with builtin navigator and
so on. Don't
Ian Darwin wrote:
Call it something else in the consumer market. The Flexible Phone. The
Does-what-you-want-not-what the big corporations want. I don't know.
How about The Freedom Phone.
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Mike wrote:
How about The Freedom Phone.
Makes me think of American flags and jingoistic phrases. Probably a
non-starter in the US...
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Ian Darwin wrote:
The phrase free phone already means the
opposite of what we want it to mean. It's done, finished, over. Move on.
Ugh, Ian's right. That phrase has been violently co-opted by the
carriers. Much as I like The free(d) phone, I don't think we can use
that anywhere outside the
I agree with your first sentence, but came up with precisely the opposite
conclusion! I think Freedom Phone would work extremely well in the US.
On 7/16/07, Dirk Bergstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mike wrote:
How about The Freedom Phone.
Makes me think of American flags and jingoistic
LMAO go to that website look at the motto of the hosting provider
that's advertised!!!
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Pius A. Uzamere II wrote:
I agree with your first sentence, but came up with precisely the opposite
conclusion! I think Freedom Phone would work extremely well in the US.
The set of people who would want a Freedom Phone probably does not
have much overlap with the set of people who would
On Monday 16 July 2007 19:19:49 Mike wrote:
Ian Darwin wrote:
Call it something else in the consumer market. The Flexible Phone. The
Does-what-you-want-not-what the big corporations want. I don't know.
How about The Freedom Phone.
How about centering around liberty instead of free (which
On 16/07/07, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I completely agree. My idea is to make two advertisment campains: one on
maisntream media: maybe tv, maybe radio, flyre, poster, newspapers,
wathever. This ads would be something like: The free phone, OpenMoko.
The only one with The
We definitely don't want to get into politics here. :D
All I'll say is that the people who want an open source phone will get it
as soon as they hear that the phone will run their own apps. It's the
non-technical people to whom we'll need to make a case.
On 7/16/07, Dirk Bergstrom [EMAIL
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:20:24 -0700
Dirk Bergstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mike wrote:
How about The Freedom Phone.
Makes me think of American flags and jingoistic phrases. Probably a
non-starter in the US...
Yes Freedom has a slightly bitter taste these days...
How about The Liberated
Damn... hit reply, needed reply-to all ;-)
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From: Marc-Olivier Barre [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Jul 16, 2007 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: Not the free phone
To: Dirk Bergstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 7/16/07, Dirk Bergstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pius A. Uzamere II
Dirk Bergstrom wrote:
Ian Darwin wrote:
The phrase free phone already means the
opposite of what we want it to mean. It's done, finished, over. Move on.
Ugh, Ian's right. That phrase has been violently co-opted by the
carriers. Much as I like The free(d) phone, I don't think we can
On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 19:56 +0200, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote:
On 7/16/07, Dirk Bergstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pius A. Uzamere II wrote:
I agree with your first sentence, but came up with precisely the opposite
conclusion! I think Freedom Phone would work extremely well in the US.
How about Your Own Phone, or maybe just Your Phone, meaning that you
really own it?
Regarding reply-to munging -- don't want to revisit this ancient debate,
but -- please don't :-)
Best Regards
Kent
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Everybody here emphasises on this OSS concept, but I think like
Marc-Olivier, that we do not need to speak about OSS at all.
This phone will update its software automatically, bugs will not live
more than 3 days, it's skins will be customizable, every piece of
software you do not use will be
How about simply the youPhone, or uPhone?
On 7/16/07, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I completely agree. My idea is to make two advertisment campains: one on
maisntream media: maybe tv, maybe radio, flyre, poster, newspapers,
wathever. This ads would be something like: The free phone,
Hi,
As on date, when you own a phone, even though it is 'your' phone, it
is branded as company X or Y phone.
If you go to country F, you see people using mostly only phones from
company N, because it is owned in country F.
If you go to country S, you see people using mostly only phones from
On 7/16/07, Shawn Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How about simply the youPhone, or uPhone?
First thing I thought about when I saw youPhone was youTube... it
seems a bit to obvious, sorry.
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I like the tagline Your phone, your way. The idea is that we are putting
the consumer in control - this line may mean different things to a techie
and non-techie, but that's okay - it ties in with the spirit of freedom.
On 7/16/07, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ian Darwin wrote:
Call it
On Monday 16 July 2007 20:24:18 Shawn Rutledge wrote:
How about simply the youPhone, or uPhone?
u is often short for the Greek letter \mu (in Latex notation) which in turn is
used as a sign for micro in many places. That may confuse people as it might
mean microphone then?
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On 16 Jul 2007, at 19:49, Ryan Prior wrote:
I like the tagline Your phone, your way. The idea is that we are
putting the consumer in control - this line may mean different
things to a techie and non-techie, but that's okay - it ties in
with the spirit of freedom.
Maybe, but then I
That is absolutely true! No amount of marketing to non-techies will help
until we have a solid software stack which includes UI responsiveness and a
tested user interface. The idea is not to start a ad campaign immediately --
the idea is to be ready when the time for advertising comes!
Speaking
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:28, Daniel Bartholomew wrote:
Well, since Apple has gone iThis and iThat with everything and dropped
their use of PowerThis and PowerThat, why not co-opt that?
How would you like a PowerPhone?
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Well, in a similar vein (throwing in my own silly
Ewan Oughton wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007, Ian Stirling wrote:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List_-_Hardware#Galileo.2FGLONASS.2FGPS_receiver
GLONASS?
Isn't that the Soviet GPS-alike that is mostly dead? What's remains of
it I believe is currently optimised for use in Russian
OK.. Great minds think alike... Or maybe not. /grin
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:11, Shawn Rutledge wrote:
How about simply the youPhone, or uPhone?
On 7/16/07, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I completely agree. My idea is to make two advertisment campains:
one on
maisntream media: maybe
I thought of that too but don't see it as a problem. Still seems like
a euphonious name to me.
On 7/16/07, Marc-Olivier Barre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/16/07, Shawn Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How about simply the youPhone, or uPhone?
First thing I thought about when I saw
Unleash your phone.
Original Message Shawn Rutledge on Mon-16-Jul 07 8:24PM
A consumer ad campaign is NOT the place to push the free as in beer vs
free as in speech argument. The phrase free phone already means the
opposite of what we want it to mean. It's done, finished, over. Move on.
hi,
Something like that:: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS4033319254.html
best regards
Francis
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How 'bout
For those who prefer JTAG to Bluetooth. or
It's not just a phone, it's a hobby. or
Get one before the phone companies figure out what they are.
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On 7/16/07, Eric Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Unleash your phone.
Neo 1973 : phone - and more
OpenMoko : not just a phone
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ok, why not something totaly different from free, freedom and open?
I'd call it the tuxphone.
br
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Giles Jones wrote:
Maybe, but then I think all the marketing is academic without the
software being there and working.
Oh, finally. Thanks, Giles. I'd have to say that academic is an
understatement: if you actually sold one to someone who wasn't capable
of building and installing a Linux system
On 16 Jul 2007, at 22:13, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
On 7/16/07, Eric Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Unleash your phone.
Neo 1973 : phone - and more
OpenMoko : not just a phone
Neo 1973 - The phone you truly own.
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I ordered a neo1973 and got an email back, but my bank account has not been
hit for the money and I haven't heard anything else.
Anyone on this list gotten a neo1973 yet?
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Sven wrote:
I'd call it the tuxphone.
Why?
Do you need to be wearing a tuxedo to use it...?
(Yes, _I_ know, and _you_ know, but trust me, Sean will be spending the
next year answering exactly that sort of question.)
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On 16 Jul 2007, at 23:00, Daniel Robinson wrote:
I ordered a neo1973 and got an email back, but my bank account has
not been hit for the money and I haven't heard anything else.
Anyone on this list gotten a neo1973 yet?
Today's apparently the day when they arrive from China. So they won't
On 7/16/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
For the address book example. I would prefer to have a list that showed
only a few names with a large area for each. When you clicked the name,
The important thing IMHO is to create applications
At Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:00:06 -0400,David Duardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How can the community and FIC work together to have the most cohesive
vision between the hardware and software user interfaces?
As I understand it, the Neo 1973 hardware was originally developed for
an unspecified FIC
On 17 Jul 2007, at 00:06, Clare Johnstone wrote:
Hi Jonathon, How would you manage when there are a lot of names? My
phone is also
my phone book, and has pages of names in small print. This is why I
choose a phone with
a good screen and a stylus.
I can't answer for jonathon, but there are
On 7/17/07, David Lefty Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sven wrote:
I'd call it the tuxphone.
Why?
Do you need to be wearing a tuxedo to use it...?
(Yes, _I_ know, and _you_ know, but trust me, Sean will be spending the
next year answering exactly that sort of question.)
and the
On Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 12:16:56AM +0100, thus spake Giles Jones:
On 17 Jul 2007, at 00:06, Clare Johnstone wrote:
Hi Jonathon, How would you manage when there are a lot of names? My
phone is also
my phone book, and has pages of names in small print. This is why I
choose a phone with
a
David Duardo skrev:
This is where I ran into trouble As high resolution as the the LCD is,
it simply is too small to be used with a finger based user interface,
which is what most people would want to use on a cellphone because it is
most convenient. At the upper bound, with the Neo1973, you can
On 7/17/07, Marco Barreno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Furthermore, since there isn't a slot in the phone itself for carrying
the stylus, most people won't have the stylus with them all the time.
Personally, I'd prefer to be able to use everything on the phone
without needing the stylus at all,
Your explanation definitely shed some light on the Neo1973 for me. I
guess the only thing we can do at this point is wait for Sean to make
more hardware announcements.
Dirk Bergstrom wrote:
At Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:00:06 -0400,David Duardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How can the community and
Giles Jones wrote:
On 16 Jul 2007, at 19:49, Ryan Prior wrote:
I like the tagline Your phone, your way. The idea is that we are
putting the consumer in control - this line may mean different things
to a techie and non-techie, but that's okay - it ties in with the
spirit of freedom.
Let's make it work first.
On 7/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Giles Jones wrote:
On 16 Jul 2007, at 19:49, Ryan Prior wrote:
I like the tagline Your phone, your way. The idea is that we are
putting the consumer in control - this line may mean different things
to a
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