Re: Software

[Clinton Ebadi]

David Murrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> A thought.
>
> My current phone has birthday notifications for contact list members.
>
> This is fine, but a better extension would be to alert, and offer to
> send happy birthday text message around a pseudo random time (one
> wouldn't want to be seen to send the same message every year at exactly
> the same time)
> Alternatively, a prompt saying "Its $persons birthday. With a button
> saying "Send a message" :)
>
> Ok, I'm a guy, and I forget birthdays, and don't really understand the
> thing about getting a text message saying happy birthday, but evidently
> others do...

Ok then write it.

It would probably take about two hours if you were jumping into the
framework from scratch. So just do it.

You're looking at one attribute in the contacts database, a simple
alarm, a single dialog to prompt to send a message, and a very short
function to build and send the message. You've even speced out the
implementation in high level pseudocode!

The nice part about the Openmoko platform is that you can now apply
the Emacs mentality to a phone: if it is a simple feature you can hack
it together in an afternoon yourself.

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Re: Freerunner and external Display

[joerg]

The display? OR the projector?
maybe they have no USB at all ;-)

Read it again!

/j


Am Di  6. Mai 2008 schrieb Alexander Frøyseth:
> no
> USB1.1
> nickd skrev:
> > bear in mind it's only usb 1.0
> > -nick
> >
> > Ian Darwin wrote:
> >>
>  - not being able to connect a VGA-over-USB 
> >>
> >> Sheesh. Stick a cheap USB 2.0 webcam on a stick, err, a tripod, above 
> >> your phone and run that onto your display or projector. As Rasterman 
> >> said, "it's a phone".
> >>
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Re: Software

[Mike Baroukh]

About this, I was wondering if there was possibility to have cron like
tasks even if the phone is suspended ?

If no, there is no way to make anything like this  bithdays remeber.
If yes, what will happend ? The phone will wkae up then suspend again ?
The tasks have to suspend it after completion ?

 
Sorry if this is a dumb question : I'm actually not an openmoko
developper (I will try  when I'll receive mine ...)

Mike

Clinton Ebadi a écrit :
> David Murrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>   
>> A thought.
>>
>> My current phone has birthday notifications for contact list members.
>>
>> This is fine, but a better extension would be to alert, and offer to
>> send happy birthday text message around a pseudo random time (one
>> wouldn't want to be seen to send the same message every year at exactly
>> the same time)
>> Alternatively, a prompt saying "Its $persons birthday. With a button
>> saying "Send a message" :)
>>
>> Ok, I'm a guy, and I forget birthdays, and don't really understand the
>> thing about getting a text message saying happy birthday, but evidently
>> others do...
>> 
>
> Ok then write it.
>
> It would probably take about two hours if you were jumping into the
> framework from scratch. So just do it.
>
> You're looking at one attribute in the contacts database, a simple
> alarm, a single dialog to prompt to send a message, and a very short
> function to build and send the message. You've even speced out the
> implementation in high level pseudocode!
>
> The nice part about the Openmoko platform is that you can now apply
> the Emacs mentality to a phone: if it is a simple feature you can hack
> it together in an afternoon yourself.
>
>   

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Re: Freerunner Sale Price in India - Official partner with Openmoko

[rakshat hooja]

>
> Shakthi,


I have been using  GTA01 (Neo 1973)   my main phone for some time and felt
that at its price point (under INR 12000 for GSM and GPS and VGA display) it
would make a great phone for the Indian market. Unfortunately with its power
draining problems (I carry 2 spare batteries in my pocket) it can not be
mass produced (My initial email to Micheal was about reselling the GTA01 in
India).

Anyway the good part is that the Openmoko and Qtopia software is GPL and
porting these to a GSM only hardware should be considerably easier than
writing a new GSM stack! We have plans get it to run on the CompuLab X270em
board but thats kind of stalled at the moment. If that works out one can
bring out GSM only, GSM+GPS, GSM+WiFi and GSM+GPS+WiFi versions of a phone
running Openmoko.

Maybe after the success of the Freerunner (I am quite confident on that as I
have seen the software really improving over the last 6 months and the price
point is pretty decent too) Openmoko themselves may consider bringing out a
lower spec cheaper version.

Right now I think it would be best to support the Openmoko endevour and try
and make the Freerunner a great success, both at the market and as a
philosphy.

Rakshat



>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "Shakthi Kannan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "List for Openmoko community discussion"  >
> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:53:15 +0530
> Subject: Re: Freerunner Sale Price in India - Official partner with
> Openmoko
> Hi,
>
> --- On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Harry Tsai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | I am so glad to introduce Mr.Rakshat to you all, actually they are our
> | first partner in India market, if you are developer come from India that
> you
> | can buy Freerunner from him directly for reduce your shipping cot and
> | customs process effort.
> \--
>
> I would like to thank you guys for this initiative. It greatly eases
> our shipping+customs+tax import issues. Yes, I have made my order :)
>
> I just have one request. If you guys can strip the current model to
> just have 1. a GSM (say INR 5k, or USD 125) , or 2. a model with
> GSM+GPS (with a reduced price, of course), it will be extremely useful
> for the "mass" market in India. I would assume the GSM takes
> one-fourth of the total price of the product. Not sure what is the
> proportion of the GPS component.
>
> INR 20k (with four RF components) is quite affordable to most people
> working in the Industry here in India, but, a basic, customizable
> phone would be really something that will be usable, and affordable
> for the "masses".
>
> Just my thoughts,
>
> SK
>
> --
> Shakthi Kannan
> http://www.shakthimaan.com
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Multi-Level Markting - Is OpenMoko interested in?

[Roland Häder]

On Tuesday, 6. May 2008, Stefan Misch wrote:
> Hello Roland,
Hi Stefan,

>
> while I think that the OpenMoko should get more attention in the media I
> don't think it's a good idea to use all methods you mentioned.
I have just listed possible ways. Taking all ways would be too much and maybe 
wrong. I would vote here for per-sale where you get a percentage or provision 
for helping a company selling their product. It must not be much, maybe 4% ?

>
> An affiliate program (e.g. via zanox) would be a great idea but forced
> clicks and paid mails are dubious advertising methods at best. IMHO the
> Freerunner should get a more *honest* (in lack of a better word)
> advertising than that.
>
> Also I think that as long as the software is not end-user friendly it's
> better to stick to word-of-mouth advertising plus technology geared media.
Yes, that's correct. First OpenMoko should make their software stable than 
sell it to the end-user. He/she wants to have a phone and maybe some more, 
not a testing suite. :-)

On Tuesday, 6. May 2008, ramsesoriginal wrote:
> I dont remembre if I already mentioned it or only planned to mention
> it, but i would recommend giving http://zooppa.com/ a look when it
> comes to advertising.
> I think the Openmoko would be a great product for this kind of
> advertisement. Basically its user generatet advertisement. In a really
> funny way.
I will have a look on it for my own purposes, thanks for the link. Can you 
send me directly a referral link? Please not here in list. :)

All the best,
Roland

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Re: Freerunner Sale Price in India - Official partner with Openmoko

[Ganesha Krishna]

Hi,
First off, my 'thank you' s are due..
1. To Rakshat for setting up the Indian distribution. You obviously have
the know how of open device and open source which is great. This shop has
greatly relieved my anxiety of shipping and customs which tends to become a
hassle.
   2. To Harry, for the official announcement on Indian distribution.Always
good to know that you are buying from the official shop.

 On the price point:
 I feel 20,000 for Free runner is very decent,  (BTW I am eligible
for 15.4K discount so that is very very decent :-) ). Neo has a potential to
become the "office PDA phone". Conference calls to the US and other oversea
destinations are extremely common in Indian IT industry. neo +wifi+skype =
ridiculously reduced cost.

  A GSM +GPS (GTA01 like ) box would be great for the rural India if priced
around 10,000. Imagine a post man plotting the shortest path to cover all
the villages that he has to deliver mail to
(
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/06/south_asia_indian_postman/html/1.stm)
with the right features the government might want to buy the neo for
them.
  A VGA screen with GPRS means the farmer can consult the market price
of his crops, and the wealthy ones can lookup Stock market. (Oh, yes.
Commodity trading and stock trading are huge in my native village!! but
there are only few brokerage houses that are miles away in the town center,
one needs to call them frequently to be in touch with the market. The
village itself has GSM+GPRS coverage)

 Students and universities:
  Rakshat, have you considered talking to Universities/engineering
colleges. There are mind boggling number of engineering colleges in
Karnataka(my state) and all of them run some kind of telecommunication
course. a couple of neos to each college with a smartly packaged SDK and
presentation on getting hands on GSM experience would help you sell many
phones. I know I would want to work on such a device If I were a student
now.

Regards,
-GK



>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "rakshat hooja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:57:48 +0530
> Subject: Re: Freerunner Sale Price in India - Official partner with
> Openmoko
>
> > Shakthi,
>
>
> I have been using  GTA01 (Neo 1973)   my main phone for some time and felt
> that at its price point (under INR 12000 for GSM and GPS and VGA display) it
> would make a great phone for the Indian market. Unfortunately with its power
> draining problems (I carry 2 spare batteries in my pocket) it can not be
> mass produced (My initial email to Micheal was about reselling the GTA01 in
> India).
>
> Anyway the good part is that the Openmoko and Qtopia software is GPL and
> porting these to a GSM only hardware should be considerably easier than
> writing a new GSM stack! We have plans get it to run on the CompuLab X270em
> board but thats kind of stalled at the moment. If that works out one can
> bring out GSM only, GSM+GPS, GSM+WiFi and GSM+GPS+WiFi versions of a phone
> running Openmoko.
>
> Maybe after the success of the Freerunner (I am quite confident on that as
> I have seen the software really improving over the last 6 months and the
> price point is pretty decent too) Openmoko themselves may consider bringing
> out a lower spec cheaper version.
>
> Right now I think it would be best to support the Openmoko endevour and
> try and make the Freerunner a great success, both at the market and as a
> philosphy.
>
> Rakshat
>
>
>
> >
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: "Shakthi Kannan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" <
> > community@lists.openmoko.org>
> > Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:53:15 +0530
> > Subject: Re: Freerunner Sale Price in India - Official partner with
> > Openmoko
> > Hi,
> >
> > --- On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Harry Tsai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > | I am so glad to introduce Mr.Rakshat to you all, actually they are our
> > | first partner in India market, if you are developer come from India
> > that you
> > | can buy Freerunner from him directly for reduce your shipping cot and
> > | customs process effort.
> > \--
> >
> > I would like to thank you guys for this initiative. It greatly eases
> > our shipping+customs+tax import issues. Yes, I have made my order :)
> >
> > I just have one request. If you guys can strip the current model to
> > just have 1. a GSM (say INR 5k, or USD 125) , or 2. a model with
> > GSM+GPS (with a reduced price, of course), it will be extremely useful
> > for the "mass" market in India. I would assume the GSM takes
> > one-fourth of the total price of the product. Not sure what is the
> > proportion of the GPS component.
> >
> > INR 20k (with four RF components) is quite affordable to most people
> > working in the Industry here in India, but, a basic, customizable
> > phone would be really something that will be usable, and affordable
> > for the "masses".
> >
> 

Re: Warranty on phase 1 phones

[Eric Smith]

Openmoko,

A lot of people on the Group Order forum are asking about the
warranty protection of individual buyers when we consolidate
our orders.  Is openmoko able to provide a solution where buyers may
take advantage of the bulk discount and reduced shipping
costs through Group Order and at the same time each individual
enjoys an independent Warranty direct with Openmoko?

-- 
- Eric Smith

Sean Moss-Pultz said:
> On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 17:32 -0800, Pranav Desai wrote:
> > 
> > Is there any warranty on phase 1 phones ? If the screen is bad, some
> > input ports don't work, etc. what will be the process then ? 
> 
> Of course we'll have a warranty ;-)
> 
> I'm not sure of the exact terms at this point. Probably something
> standard like 1 year. 
> 
> -Sean

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Re: Freerunner Sale Price in India - Official partner with Openmoko

[Lally Singh]

I didn't think Skype ran on the openmoko stack.  Please, pretty
please, tell me that I'm wrong :-D

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 5:45 AM, Ganesha Krishna
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> First off, my 'thank you' s are due..
> 1. To Rakshat for setting up the Indian distribution. You obviously have
> the know how of open device and open source which is great. This shop has
> greatly relieved my anxiety of shipping and customs which tends to become a
> hassle.
> 2. To Harry, for the official announcement on Indian distribution.Always
> good to know that you are buying from the official shop.
>
>  On the price point:
>  I feel 20,000 for Free runner is very decent,  (BTW I am eligible
> for 15.4K discount so that is very very decent :-) ). Neo has a potential to
> become the "office PDA phone". Conference calls to the US and other oversea
> destinations are extremely common in Indian IT industry. neo +wifi+skype =
> ridiculously reduced cost.
>
>   A GSM +GPS (GTA01 like ) box would be great for the rural India if priced
> around 10,000. Imagine a post man plotting the shortest path to cover all
> the villages that he has to deliver mail to
> (
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/06/south_asia_indian_postman/html/1.stm
> ) with the right features the government might want to buy the neo for them.
>A VGA screen with GPRS means the farmer can consult the market price
> of his crops, and the wealthy ones can lookup Stock market. (Oh, yes.
> Commodity trading and stock trading are huge in my native village!! but
> there are only few brokerage houses that are miles away in the town center,
> one needs to call them frequently to be in touch with the market. The
> village itself has GSM+GPRS coverage)
>
>  Students and universities:
>   Rakshat, have you considered talking to Universities/engineering
> colleges. There are mind boggling number of engineering colleges in
> Karnataka(my state) and all of them run some kind of telecommunication
> course. a couple of neos to each college with a smartly packaged SDK and
> presentation on getting hands on GSM experience would help you sell many
> phones. I know I would want to work on such a device If I were a student
> now.
>
> Regards,
> -GK
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: "rakshat hooja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> > Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:57:48 +0530
> > Subject: Re: Freerunner Sale Price in India - Official partner with
> Openmoko
> >
> >
> > > Shakthi,
> >
> >
> > I have been using  GTA01 (Neo 1973)   my main phone for some time and felt
> that at its price point (under INR 12000 for GSM and GPS and VGA display) it
> would make a great phone for the Indian market. Unfortunately with its power
> draining problems (I carry 2 spare batteries in my pocket) it can not be
> mass produced (My initial email to Micheal was about reselling the GTA01 in
> India).
> >
> > Anyway the good part is that the Openmoko and Qtopia software is GPL and
> porting these to a GSM only hardware should be considerably easier than
> writing a new GSM stack! We have plans get it to run on the CompuLab X270em
> board but thats kind of stalled at the moment. If that works out one can
> bring out GSM only, GSM+GPS, GSM+WiFi and GSM+GPS+WiFi versions of a phone
> running Openmoko.
> >
> > Maybe after the success of the Freerunner (I am quite confident on that as
> I have seen the software really improving over the last 6 months and the
> price point is pretty decent too) Openmoko themselves may consider bringing
> out a lower spec cheaper version.
> >
> > Right now I think it would be best to support the Openmoko endevour and
> try and make the Freerunner a great success, both at the market and as a
> philosphy.
> >
> > Rakshat
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > -- Forwarded message --
> > > From: "Shakthi Kannan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "List for Openmoko community discussion"
> 
> > > Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:53:15 +0530
> > > Subject: Re: Freerunner Sale Price in India - Official partner with
> Openmoko
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Harry Tsai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > | I am so glad to introduce Mr.Rakshat to you all, actually they are our
> > > | first partner in India market, if you are developer come from India
> that you
> > > | can buy Freerunner from him directly for reduce your shipping cot and
> > > | customs process effort.
> > > \--
> > >
> > > I would like to thank you guys for this initiative. It greatly eases
> > > our shipping+customs+tax import issues. Yes, I have made my order :)
> > >
> > > I just have one request. If you guys can strip the current model to
> > > just have 1. a GSM (say INR 5k, or USD 125) , or 2. a model with
> > > GSM+GPS (with a reduced price, of course), it will be extremely useful
> > > for the "mass" market in India. I would assume the GSM takes
> > > one-fourth of the total price

Re: Freerunner and external Display

[Ian Darwin]

- not being able to connect a VGA-over-USB 


Sheesh. Stick a cheap USB 2.0 webcam on a stick, err, a tripod, above 
your phone and run that onto your display or projector. As Rasterman 
said, "it's a phone".


nickd wrote:
> bear in mind it's only usb 1.0
> -nick

Seriously, though. Connect the USB 2 webcam-on-a-stick to your PC.
It'll do a better job of driving the large display anyway.

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Re: Freerunner Sale Price in India - Official partner with Openmoko

[joerg]

Am Di  6. Mai 2008 schrieb Lally Singh:
> I didn't think Skype ran on the openmoko stack.  Please, pretty
> please, tell me that I'm wrong :-D

Nope, right! So forget about skype, use plain SIP!
/j


> 
> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 5:45 AM, Ganesha Krishna
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > First off, my 'thank you' s are due..
> > 1. To Rakshat for setting up the Indian distribution. You obviously 
have
> > the know how of open device and open source which is great. This shop has
> > greatly relieved my anxiety of shipping and customs which tends to become 
a
> > hassle.
> > 2. To Harry, for the official announcement on Indian 
distribution.Always
> > good to know that you are buying from the official shop.
> >
> >  On the price point:
> >  I feel 20,000 for Free runner is very decent,  (BTW I am eligible
> > for 15.4K discount so that is very very decent :-) ). Neo has a potential 
to
> > become the "office PDA phone". Conference calls to the US and other 
oversea
> > destinations are extremely common in Indian IT industry. neo +wifi+skype =
> > ridiculously reduced cost.
> >
> >   A GSM +GPS (GTA01 like ) box would be great for the rural India if 
priced
> > around 10,000. Imagine a post man plotting the shortest path to cover all
> > the villages that he has to deliver mail to
> > (
> > 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/06/south_asia_indian_postman/html/1.stm
> > ) with the right features the government might want to buy the neo for 
them.
> >A VGA screen with GPRS means the farmer can consult the market 
price
> > of his crops, and the wealthy ones can lookup Stock market. (Oh, yes.
> > Commodity trading and stock trading are huge in my native village!! but
> > there are only few brokerage houses that are miles away in the town 
center,
> > one needs to call them frequently to be in touch with the market. The
> > village itself has GSM+GPRS coverage)
> >
> >  Students and universities:
> >   Rakshat, have you considered talking to Universities/engineering
> > colleges. There are mind boggling number of engineering colleges in
> > Karnataka(my state) and all of them run some kind of telecommunication
> > course. a couple of neos to each college with a smartly packaged SDK and
> > presentation on getting hands on GSM experience would help you sell many
> > phones. I know I would want to work on such a device If I were a student
> > now.
> >
> > Regards,
> > -GK
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > -- Forwarded message --
> > > From: "rakshat hooja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> > > Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:57:48 +0530
> > > Subject: Re: Freerunner Sale Price in India - Official partner with
> > Openmoko
> > >
> > >
> > > > Shakthi,
> > >
> > >
> > > I have been using  GTA01 (Neo 1973)   my main phone for some time and 
felt
> > that at its price point (under INR 12000 for GSM and GPS and VGA display) 
it
> > would make a great phone for the Indian market. Unfortunately with its 
power
> > draining problems (I carry 2 spare batteries in my pocket) it can not be
> > mass produced (My initial email to Micheal was about reselling the GTA01 
in
> > India).
> > >
> > > Anyway the good part is that the Openmoko and Qtopia software is GPL and
> > porting these to a GSM only hardware should be considerably easier than
> > writing a new GSM stack! We have plans get it to run on the CompuLab 
X270em
> > board but thats kind of stalled at the moment. If that works out one can
> > bring out GSM only, GSM+GPS, GSM+WiFi and GSM+GPS+WiFi versions of a phone
> > running Openmoko.
> > >
> > > Maybe after the success of the Freerunner (I am quite confident on that 
as
> > I have seen the software really improving over the last 6 months and the
> > price point is pretty decent too) Openmoko themselves may consider 
bringing
> > out a lower spec cheaper version.
> > >
> > > Right now I think it would be best to support the Openmoko endevour and
> > try and make the Freerunner a great success, both at the market and as a
> > philosphy.
> > >
> > > Rakshat
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -- Forwarded message --
> > > > From: "Shakthi Kannan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: "List for Openmoko community discussion"
> > 
> > > > Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:53:15 +0530
> > > > Subject: Re: Freerunner Sale Price in India - Official partner with
> > Openmoko
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > --- On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Harry Tsai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > > | I am so glad to introduce Mr.Rakshat to you all, actually they are 
our
> > > > | first partner in India market, if you are developer come from India
> > that you
> > > > | can buy Freerunner from him directly for reduce your shipping cot 
and
> > > > | customs process effort.
> > > > \--
> > > >
> > > > I would like to thank you guys for this initiative. It greatly eases
> > > > our shipping+customs+tax import issues. Yes, I have made my o

Re: Freerunner Sale Price in India - Official partner with Openmoko

[Mo Abrahams]

I am 99.998 % certain that it doesn't, although it is foreseeable
that it one day will, especially if the platform takes off. Since Skype
is closed source it would need official developers to port it, although
if somebody built the front-end and did some of the generic voip stuff
for them maybe they could be convinced to just throw in the encryption
for us?

Hey, I can dream!

On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 07:00 -0400, Lally Singh wrote:
> I didn't think Skype ran on the openmoko stack.  Please, pretty
> please, tell me that I'm wrong :-D
> 
> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 5:45 AM, Ganesha Krishna
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > First off, my 'thank you' s are due..
> > 1. To Rakshat for setting up the Indian distribution. You obviously have
> > the know how of open device and open source which is great. This shop has
> > greatly relieved my anxiety of shipping and customs which tends to become a
> > hassle.
> > 2. To Harry, for the official announcement on Indian distribution.Always
> > good to know that you are buying from the official shop.
> >
> >  On the price point:
> >  I feel 20,000 for Free runner is very decent,  (BTW I am eligible
> > for 15.4K discount so that is very very decent :-) ). Neo has a potential to
> > become the "office PDA phone". Conference calls to the US and other oversea
> > destinations are extremely common in Indian IT industry. neo +wifi+skype =
> > ridiculously reduced cost.
> >
> >   A GSM +GPS (GTA01 like ) box would be great for the rural India if priced
> > around 10,000. Imagine a post man plotting the shortest path to cover all
> > the villages that he has to deliver mail to
> > (
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/06/south_asia_indian_postman/html/1.stm
> > ) with the right features the government might want to buy the neo for them.
> >A VGA screen with GPRS means the farmer can consult the market price
> > of his crops, and the wealthy ones can lookup Stock market. (Oh, yes.
> > Commodity trading and stock trading are huge in my native village!! but
> > there are only few brokerage houses that are miles away in the town center,
> > one needs to call them frequently to be in touch with the market. The
> > village itself has GSM+GPRS coverage)
> >
> >  Students and universities:
> >   Rakshat, have you considered talking to Universities/engineering
> > colleges. There are mind boggling number of engineering colleges in
> > Karnataka(my state) and all of them run some kind of telecommunication
> > course. a couple of neos to each college with a smartly packaged SDK and
> > presentation on getting hands on GSM experience would help you sell many
> > phones. I know I would want to work on such a device If I were a student
> > now.
> >
> > Regards,
> > -GK
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > -- Forwarded message --
> > > From: "rakshat hooja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> > > Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:57:48 +0530
> > > Subject: Re: Freerunner Sale Price in India - Official partner with
> > Openmoko
> > >
> > >
> > > > Shakthi,
> > >
> > >
> > > I have been using  GTA01 (Neo 1973)   my main phone for some time and felt
> > that at its price point (under INR 12000 for GSM and GPS and VGA display) it
> > would make a great phone for the Indian market. Unfortunately with its power
> > draining problems (I carry 2 spare batteries in my pocket) it can not be
> > mass produced (My initial email to Micheal was about reselling the GTA01 in
> > India).
> > >
> > > Anyway the good part is that the Openmoko and Qtopia software is GPL and
> > porting these to a GSM only hardware should be considerably easier than
> > writing a new GSM stack! We have plans get it to run on the CompuLab X270em
> > board but thats kind of stalled at the moment. If that works out one can
> > bring out GSM only, GSM+GPS, GSM+WiFi and GSM+GPS+WiFi versions of a phone
> > running Openmoko.
> > >
> > > Maybe after the success of the Freerunner (I am quite confident on that as
> > I have seen the software really improving over the last 6 months and the
> > price point is pretty decent too) Openmoko themselves may consider bringing
> > out a lower spec cheaper version.
> > >
> > > Right now I think it would be best to support the Openmoko endevour and
> > try and make the Freerunner a great success, both at the market and as a
> > philosphy.
> > >
> > > Rakshat
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -- Forwarded message --
> > > > From: "Shakthi Kannan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: "List for Openmoko community discussion"
> > 
> > > > Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:53:15 +0530
> > > > Subject: Re: Freerunner Sale Price in India - Official partner with
> > Openmoko
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > --- On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Harry Tsai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > > | I am so glad to introduce Mr.Rakshat to you all, actually they are our
> > > > | first partner in India market, if you a

Re: Freerunner Sale Price in India - Official partner with Openmoko

[Robert Schuster]

Lally Singh schrieb:
> I didn't think Skype ran on the openmoko stack.  Please, pretty
> please, tell me that I'm wrong :-D
AFAIK skype has serious issues being conformant to the principles of
swatantra software[0]. ;)

Skype is used for communication in IT departements? I would not trust a
proprietary app using even a proprietary protocol ...

Regards
Robert

[0] -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_terms_for_free_software#Non-English_terms_in_anglophone_regions



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Re: Freerunner Sale Price in India - Official partner with Openmoko

[Ganesha Krishna]

>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 19:18:54 +0800
> Subject: Re: Freerunner Sale Price in India - Official partner with
> Openmoko
> Am Di  6. Mai 2008 schrieb Lally Singh:
> > I didn't think Skype ran on the openmoko stack.  Please, pretty
> > please, tell me that I'm wrong :-D
>
> Nope, right! So forget about skype, use plain SIP!
> /j
>

What! no? well yeah, I know. All in good time I guess. (a quick search of
the archive gave loads and loads of emails on every damn dohicky that can
enable two people to talk).  A PDA + GSM for local use that can call
overseas at 'next to nothing' /min should be very very attractive to the
cost conscious.
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Re: Freerunner Sale Price in India - Official partner with Openmoko

[Mo Abrahams]

The only problem is convincing all your contacts who use skype already
that they should switch to {insert libre alternative here}. For the
majority of protocols we linux users have our own implementation now,
getting people to switch is less of an issue, but for skype...

On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 17:21 +0530, Ganesha Krishna wrote:
> 
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 19:18:54 +0800
> Subject: Re: Freerunner Sale Price in India - Official partner
> with Openmoko
> Am Di  6. Mai 2008 schrieb Lally Singh:
> > I didn't think Skype ran on the openmoko stack.  Please,
> pretty
> > please, tell me that I'm wrong :-D
> 
> Nope, right! So forget about skype, use plain SIP!
> /j
> 
> What! no? well yeah, I know. All in good time I guess. (a quick search
> of the archive gave loads and loads of emails on every damn dohicky
> that can enable two people to talk).  A PDA + GSM for local use that
> can call overseas at 'next to nothing' /min should be very very
> attractive to the cost conscious. 
>  -GK 
> 
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Re: Software

[andy selby]

2008/5/6 David Murrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>  My current phone has birthday notifications for contact list members.

*cough* May 10th *cough* *cough* a certain phone *cough*

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Re: Freerunner and external Display

[Flemming Richter Mikkelsen]

On 5/6/08, Ian Darwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > - not being able to connect a VGA-over-USB
> > > Sheesh. Stick a cheap USB 2.0 webcam on a stick, err, a tripod, above
> your phone and run that onto your display or projector. As Rasterman said,
> "it's a phone".
>
> nickd wrote:
> > bear in mind it's only usb 1.0
> > -nick
>
> Seriously, though. Connect the USB 2 webcam-on-a-stick to your PC.
> It'll do a better job of driving the large display anyway.

Get a wireless camera that can be connected directly to your projector:)


Hmm... the LCD on the Freerunner is VGA... maybe it is possible to split
the signal to the display to a VGA out and create a driver...
I have a feeling this will not work:(

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Re: Freerunner and external Display

[Andy Powell]

On Tuesday 06 May 2008 00:38, Fredrik Wendt wrote:
> Florian Rebstock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Actually, I'm starting to feel like I'm going to be somewhat disappointed
> by the performance of the device:
> - battery drainage

Some people are putting in a lot of work to get this sort of thing working.

> - hard (= chose the right codec, recode everything) to get flowing video
> playback - not being able to connect a VGA-over-USB 

You can, you'll just get ~2fps

> - no 3G = slow data access = no streaming of my music

Well, you knew that before you ordered it.

> - no 8GB microSD = I'll be able to carry < 10 % of my music (legal - ogg)

Go and buy one.

> - need for stylus, but no place to keep it

I can suggest one place...

Seriously, If everyone put as much effort into development as they do into 
bitching and whining this phone would be able to cure cancer by now.

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Re: Freerunner and external Display

[joerg]

Am Mi  7. Mai 2008 schrieb Flemming Richter Mikkelsen:
> On 5/6/08, Ian Darwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > - not being able to connect a VGA-over-USB
> > > > Sheesh. Stick a cheap USB 2.0 webcam on a stick, err, a tripod, above
> > your phone and run that onto your display or projector. As Rasterman said,
> > "it's a phone".
> >
> > nickd wrote:
> > > bear in mind it's only usb 1.0
> > > -nick
> >
> > Seriously, though. Connect the USB 2 webcam-on-a-stick to your PC.
> > It'll do a better job of driving the large display anyway.
> 
> Get a wireless camera that can be connected directly to your projector:)
> 
> 
> Hmm... the LCD on the Freerunner is VGA... maybe it is possible to split
> the signal to the display to a VGA out and create a driver...
> I have a feeling this will not work:(

Hmmm, we got HSync, VSync, a pretty much standard framerate, you just had to 
convert the 5-6-5 databits by 3 DA-converters (maybe R-2R for the cheap 
solution) to form RGB. Some level shifting, attenuating, maybe inverting, 
should be pretty much feasible

If you really want to do that, ask me for details of the FPC-cable signals and 
pins, to build your own "LCM" that plugs to the PCB-connector instead of the 
NEO one.

/jOERG

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Re: Freerunner and external Display

[Ian Darwin]

> Seriously, If everyone put as much effort into development as they do into 
> bitching and whining this phone would be able to cure cancer by now.

+1

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Re: Freerunner and external Display

[Lally Singh]

-1

While I completely understand the irritation with all these
experiments and heavily detailed ideas, I'd rather have people
thinking and loud than quiet and apathetic.  If even a few of of them
end up committing code, we're all the better for it.   Maybe we can
get a few people started on Vala.

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Ian Darwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Seriously, If everyone put as much effort into development as they do into
>  > bitching and whining this phone would be able to cure cancer by now.
>
>  +1
>
>
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Re: Freerunner and external Display

[Andy Powell]

On Tuesday 06 May 2008 20:13, Lally Singh wrote:
> -1
>
> While I completely understand the irritation with all these
> experiments and heavily detailed ideas, I'd rather have people
> thinking and loud than quiet and apathetic.  If even a few of of them
> end up committing code, we're all the better for it.   Maybe we can
> get a few people started on Vala.
>

My comment has nothing to do with being irritated with people experimenting or 
their heavily detailed ideas at all. If you re-read the message I wrote and 
the message I replied to you I think it's fairly clear where my irritation 
lies.

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Re: Freerunner and external Display

[Flemming Richter Mikkelsen]

On 5/6/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Am Mi  7. Mai 2008 schrieb Flemming Richter Mikkelsen:
> > Hmm... the LCD on the Freerunner is VGA... maybe it is possible to split
> > the signal to the display to a VGA out and create a driver...
> > I have a feeling this will not work:(
>
> Hmmm, we got HSync, VSync, a pretty much standard framerate, you just had to
> convert the 5-6-5 databits by 3 DA-converters (maybe R-2R for the cheap
> solution) to form RGB. Some level shifting, attenuating, maybe inverting,
> should be pretty much feasible

Great.

> If you really want to do that, ask me for details of the FPC-cable signals and
> pins, to build your own "LCM" that plugs to the PCB-connector instead of the
> NEO one.

Thank you! That is very kind of you.
I will ask you if I ever want to do that:)

(My second idea is to simply create a BT2VGA adapter. I will try this first.
It will only be usable for still images, but it would be just for fun. But first
I need some time...)

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Re: Freerunner and external Display

[Gabriel Ambuehl]

On Tuesday 06 May 2008 22:00:50 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote:
> (My second idea is to simply create a BT2VGA adapter. I will try this
> first. It will only be usable for still images, but it would be just for
> fun. But first I need some time...)

There are ready made WLAN to VGA adapters for presentations.

http://www.lindy.co.uk/80211g-wireless-vga-projector-server/32499.html

is the first I found but I'm sure there are cheaper ones, also.


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Re: Freerunner and external Display

[Bradley Hook]

http://www.xkeys.com/viewport/viewportspc.php

This is the first one I could find that explicitly says it will work
with USB 1.1. For slideshows it should work just fine, though slide
changes might take a second to redraw the screen. You probably would not
want to try to do motion video at any resolution.

~Bradley

Florian Rebstock wrote:

Hello,

what i ever want to know:
could it be possible - to connect the Freerunner with a external VGA
Display or Beamer ?
Because that would be pretty useful for small presentations or so...

Florian



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Re: Software

[Torfinn Ingolfsen]

Hi,

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Mike Baroukh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  About this, I was wondering if there was possibility to have cron like
>  tasks even if the phone is suspended ?

You could always run something like anacron{1] on the phone. As long
as yoy don't keep you phone suspended for a day or more that would
work. :-)

References:
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RE: Stylus Recommendation

[Daniel Barkalow]

On Mon, 5 May 2008, steve wrote:

> I looked at emachines a few years back for doing some custom car parts. The
> CAD tool was a bit funky. The price was not hobby  friendly as you note. 
> My friend owned a machine shop so he just CNCed the thing since he wanted it
> too. I never tried a plastic part with emachine, but its all about the set
> up cost and the tool you use. material is immaterial ( or should be)

The material (between metal and plastic, anyway) greatly affects your tool 
choices, and there are big differences on whether the cost is dominated by 
set-up costs or per-unit costs. If you want just one of something, I think 
the "rapid prototype" process for an ABS plastic part is way cheaper than 
anything that you can get for metal.

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Is anyone else getting 2 or 3 copies of every mails?

[ian douglas]

Hey all,

I'm randomly getting a second and sometimes a third copy of messages 
coming to the list. For exampe, Torfinn Ingolfsen's last Email with a 
subject line "Re: Software" -- I got three copies. I also got three 
copies of Bradley Hook's message about the external displays, but only 
one copy of Gabriel Ambeuhl's Email in the same thread.


Anyone else seeing this?

This doesn't affect any other mailing list or personal messages coming 
to my Email account, which helped me pinpoint that it's an issue with 
the OpenMoko community list.


Thanks,
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Re: Is anyone else getting 2 or 3 copies of every mails?

[ian douglas]

Likewise, I got one copy of Daniel Barkalow's Email just before I sent 
my message, but received three copies of my own post.



ian douglas wrote:

Hey all,

I'm randomly getting a second and sometimes a third copy of messages 
coming to the list. For exampe, Torfinn Ingolfsen's last Email with a 
subject line "Re: Software" -- I got three copies. I also got three 
copies of Bradley Hook's message about the external displays, but only 
one copy of Gabriel Ambeuhl's Email in the same thread.


Anyone else seeing this?

This doesn't affect any other mailing list or personal messages coming 
to my Email account, which helped me pinpoint that it's an issue with 
the OpenMoko community list.


Thanks,
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Re: Is anyone else getting 2 or 3 copies of every mails?

[Mo Abrahams]

Nope, not me

On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 14:56 -0700, ian douglas wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> I'm randomly getting a second and sometimes a third copy of messages 
> coming to the list. For exampe, Torfinn Ingolfsen's last Email with a 
> subject line "Re: Software" -- I got three copies. I also got three 
> copies of Bradley Hook's message about the external displays, but only 
> one copy of Gabriel Ambeuhl's Email in the same thread.
> 
> Anyone else seeing this?
> 
> This doesn't affect any other mailing list or personal messages coming 
> to my Email account, which helped me pinpoint that it's an issue with 
> the OpenMoko community list.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ian
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Re: Is anyone else getting 2 or 3 copies of every mails?

[Mo Abrahams]

Nope, not me

On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 14:56 -0700, ian douglas wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> I'm randomly getting a second and sometimes a third copy of messages 
> coming to the list. For exampe, Torfinn Ingolfsen's last Email with a 
> subject line "Re: Software" -- I got three copies. I also got three 
> copies of Bradley Hook's message about the external displays, but only 
> one copy of Gabriel Ambeuhl's Email in the same thread.
> 
> Anyone else seeing this?
> 
> This doesn't affect any other mailing list or personal messages coming 
> to my Email account, which helped me pinpoint that it's an issue with 
> the OpenMoko community list.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ian
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Re: Is anyone else getting 2 or 3 copies of every mails?

[Michele Renda]

Only one copy also for me. It is like you registered two / three times. 
Are you sure you don't have mail fowarding activated to another email 
address registered to this mailing list?


ian douglas wrote:

Hey all,

I'm randomly getting a second and sometimes a third copy of messages 
coming to the list. For exampe, Torfinn Ingolfsen's last Email with a 
subject line "Re: Software" -- I got three copies. I also got three 
copies of Bradley Hook's message about the external displays, but only 
one copy of Gabriel Ambeuhl's Email in the same thread.


Anyone else seeing this?

This doesn't affect any other mailing list or personal messages coming 
to my Email account, which helped me pinpoint that it's an issue with 
the OpenMoko community list.


Thanks,
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Re: Is anyone else getting 2 or 3 copies of every mails?

[ian douglas]

Michele Renda wrote:
> Only one copy also for me. It is like you registered two / three
> times. Are you sure you don't have mail fowarding activated to
> another email address registered to this mailing list?

Nope, I've always only had a single address on the list, and I've been a 
member since last summer.


I got 3 copies of my own follow-up, 3 copies of Mo's response, and two 
copies of Michele's, and none of them were a CC to both the list AND my 
address... all replies were only to the list address. All copies share 
an identical Message-Id, but I see some different send times from the 
mail headers.


Using Mo's response, and looking at the mail headers, I see this block:

Copy 1:
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... so the third copy definitely sent to the mailing list engine a 
second time, like maybe the mailing list engine looped back through 
incoming messages? But I can't see any differences in the first two 
copies of the message at all, nor any differences in the raw message 
(headers, etc) from the two copies I got from Michele via gmail.


It started a maybe two weeks ago with getting second copies, but today 
I'm getting third copies, so wanted to ask what was up. I remember 
seeing posts a while back about duplicate messages, and someone had to 
reset something with the mailing list engine.


Like I said, this is only affecting messages from the OpenMoko Community 
list. My personal Email and other mailing lists I'm on only deliver a 
single copy.


Can someone in charge of the list take a look at it pretty-please?

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Re: Wiki distorted in Firefox 3?

[Jeremiah Flerchinger]

I concur that the left menu is now at the top, except for the search and
toolbox items.

On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 07:05 +0200, Joachim Steiger wrote:
> please retest, ive added a small patch, courtesy of abraxa.
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Re: Is anyone else getting 2 or 3 copies of every mails?

[Stefan Misch]

I have the same problem and ironically I got this "Nope, not me" twice.

I'm pretty sure, I did not subscribe twice, because I do not get every mail 
twice, only a rare few of them.


I checked the headers of both mails and they seem to be identical save for the 
Message-Id. (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> vs. 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>).


It's pretty weird. I always thought it was just someguy accidently sending 
messages twice.


All best,
Stefan

Mo Abrahams wrote:

Nope, not me

On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 14:56 -0700, ian douglas wrote:

Hey all,

I'm randomly getting a second and sometimes a third copy of messages 
coming to the list. For exampe, Torfinn Ingolfsen's last Email with a 
subject line "Re: Software" -- I got three copies. I also got three 
copies of Bradley Hook's message about the external displays, but only 
one copy of Gabriel Ambeuhl's Email in the same thread.


Anyone else seeing this?

This doesn't affect any other mailing list or personal messages coming 
to my Email account, which helped me pinpoint that it's an issue with 
the OpenMoko community list.


Thanks,
Ian

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Re: Freerunner and external Display

[Clinton Ebadi]

Gabriel Ambuehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Tuesday 06 May 2008 22:00:50 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote:
>> (My second idea is to simply create a BT2VGA adapter. I will try this
>> first. It will only be usable for still images, but it would be just for
>> fun. But first I need some time...)
>
> There are ready made WLAN to VGA adapters for presentations.
>
> http://www.lindy.co.uk/80211g-wireless-vga-projector-server/32499.html
>
> is the first I found but I'm sure there are cheaper ones, also.

But are there any that use VNC? It looks like at least that device
uses an evil proprietary program making it useless for what people
seem to want to do here.

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Re: Is anyone else getting 2 or 3 copies of every mails?

[Mo Abrahams]

I'll be honest, I sent my message twice just for kicks =P
But I didn't send it three times, so one of the times that Ian received
it was through no fault of mine.

On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 00:23 +0200, Stefan Misch wrote:
> I have the same problem and ironically I got this "Nope, not me" twice.
> 
> I'm pretty sure, I did not subscribe twice, because I do not get every mail 
> twice, only a rare few of them.
> 
> I checked the headers of both mails and they seem to be identical save for 
> the 
> Message-Id. (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> vs. 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>).
> 
> It's pretty weird. I always thought it was just someguy accidently sending 
> messages twice.
> 
> All best,
> Stefan
> 
> Mo Abrahams wrote:
> > Nope, not me
> > 
> > On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 14:56 -0700, ian douglas wrote:
> >> Hey all,
> >>
> >> I'm randomly getting a second and sometimes a third copy of messages 
> >> coming to the list. For exampe, Torfinn Ingolfsen's last Email with a 
> >> subject line "Re: Software" -- I got three copies. I also got three 
> >> copies of Bradley Hook's message about the external displays, but only 
> >> one copy of Gabriel Ambeuhl's Email in the same thread.
> >>
> >> Anyone else seeing this?
> >>
> >> This doesn't affect any other mailing list or personal messages coming 
> >> to my Email account, which helped me pinpoint that it's an issue with 
> >> the OpenMoko community list.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Ian
> >>
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Re: Is anyone else getting 2 or 3 copies of every mails?

[Hugo Mills]

On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 12:23:37AM +0200, Stefan Misch wrote:
> I have the same problem and ironically I got this "Nope, not me" twice.

   Actually, I got "Nope, not me" once, and "ope, not me" once. I
think Mo was pulling your leg. (And making typos)

   Hugo.

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Re: Is anyone else getting 2 or 3 copies of every mails?

[Dave O'Connor]

Same here, this happens every once in a while. Wasn't there a stage where 
one message was sent numerous times?


On Wed, 7 May 2008, Stefan Misch wrote:


I have the same problem and ironically I got this "Nope, not me" twice.

I'm pretty sure, I did not subscribe twice, because I do not get every mail 
twice, only a rare few of them.


I checked the headers of both mails and they seem to be identical save for 
the Message-Id. (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> vs. 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>).


It's pretty weird. I always thought it was just someguy accidently sending 
messages twice.


All best,
Stefan

Mo Abrahams wrote:

Nope, not me

On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 14:56 -0700, ian douglas wrote:

Hey all,

I'm randomly getting a second and sometimes a third copy of messages 
coming to the list. For exampe, Torfinn Ingolfsen's last Email with a 
subject line "Re: Software" -- I got three copies. I also got three copies 
of Bradley Hook's message about the external displays, but only one copy 
of Gabriel Ambeuhl's Email in the same thread.


Anyone else seeing this?

This doesn't affect any other mailing list or personal messages coming to 
my Email account, which helped me pinpoint that it's an issue with the 
OpenMoko community list.


Thanks,
Ian

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Re: Is anyone else getting 2 or 3 copies of every mails?

[Kosa]

I had that issue for a couple of days when I created a
folder to store the messages I was reciving from this
list, but it was way worse. I recived some time ten or
more times the same messages, but they had all the same
time (hour and minute), and these two I got from Mo
Abrahams have different times.

Besides this mail from Mo and the time I set up a folder
to store everithing wich includes Openmoko, no, I don't
have that problem.

Hope that helps.

Kosa

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Stefan Misch escribió:

I have the same problem and ironically I got this "Nope, not me" twice.

I'm pretty sure, I did not subscribe twice, because I do not get every 
mail twice, only a rare few of them.


I checked the headers of both mails and they seem to be identical save 
for the Message-Id. (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> vs. 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>).


It's pretty weird. I always thought it was just someguy accidently 
sending messages twice.


All best,
Stefan

Mo Abrahams wrote:

Nope, not me

On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 14:56 -0700, ian douglas wrote:

Hey all,

I'm randomly getting a second and sometimes a third copy of messages 
coming to the list. For exampe, Torfinn Ingolfsen's last Email with 
a subject line "Re: Software" -- I got three copies. I also got 
three copies of Bradley Hook's message about the external displays, 
but only one copy of Gabriel Ambeuhl's Email in the same thread.


Anyone else seeing this?

This doesn't affect any other mailing list or personal messages 
coming to my Email account, which helped me pinpoint that it's an 
issue with the OpenMoko community list.


Thanks,
Ian

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Re: Is anyone else getting 2 or 3 copies of every mails?

[Kosa]

Hahaha 
Funny!!!

Kosa

Mo Abrahams escribió:

  I'll be honest, I sent my message twice just for kicks =P
But I didn't send it three times, so one of the times that Ian received
it was through no fault of mine.

On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 00:23 +0200, Stefan Misch wrote:
  
  
I have the same problem and ironically I got this "Nope, not me" twice.

I'm pretty sure, I did not subscribe twice, because I do not get every mail 
twice, only a rare few of them.

I checked the headers of both mails and they seem to be identical save for the 
Message-Id. (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> vs. 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>).

It's pretty weird. I always thought it was just someguy accidently sending 
messages twice.

All best,
Stefan

Mo Abrahams wrote:


  Nope, not me

On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 14:56 -0700, ian douglas wrote:
  
  
Hey all,

I'm randomly getting a second and sometimes a third copy of messages 
coming to the list. For exampe, Torfinn Ingolfsen's last Email with a 
subject line "Re: Software" -- I got three copies. I also got three 
copies of Bradley Hook's message about the external displays, but only 
one copy of Gabriel Ambeuhl's Email in the same thread.

Anyone else seeing this?

This doesn't affect any other mailing list or personal messages coming 
to my Email account, which helped me pinpoint that it's an issue with 
the OpenMoko community list.

Thanks,
Ian

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Re: Freerunner and external Display

[Frederik Sdun]

Hi,

you are talking of something similar to this:
http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/03/14/the-nobounds-project/

it's really nice and it works (but the glasses look strange ;)) and is
implemented in software. 

just a short interrupt/inspiration.

regards,
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Programming OM (was: Software)

[Thomas Jensen]

Clinton Ebadi wrote:
> The nice part about the Openmoko platform is that you can now apply
> the Emacs mentality to a phone: if it is a simple feature you can hack
> it together in an afternoon yourself.

I am new here. Do I understand this correct - it will be possible to
write programs on the phone for the phone? Or will I need to write and
compile the programs on a pc? 

One thing I liked about my Palm PDA was OnBoardC - I had my first
program running, written on the PDA, a week after I got it. But Palm
also had some very fine documentation, and OnBoardC had a programming
Cookbook, so it was easy to get started. 

I have not been able to find the same level of documentation (yet?) to
OM. I have downloaded the toolchain, and I more or less know how to use
it, thanks to a wiki page (wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain). 

But..

> It would probably take about two hours if you were jumping into the
> framework from scratch. So just do it.

Do you have a link to a good starting point?  :-)


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Re: Programming OM (was: Software)

[wim . delvaux]

On Wednesday 07 May 2008 01:19:00 Thomas Jensen wrote:
> Clinton Ebadi wrote:
> > The nice part about the Openmoko platform is that you can now apply
> > the Emacs mentality to a phone: if it is a simple feature you can hack
> > it together in an afternoon yourself.
>
> I am new here. Do I understand this correct - it will be possible to
> write programs on the phone for the phone? Or will I need to write and
> compile the programs on a pc?
>
> One thing I liked about my Palm PDA was OnBoardC - I had my first
> program running, written on the PDA, a week after I got it. But Palm
> also had some very fine documentation, and OnBoardC had a programming
> Cookbook, so it was easy to get started.
>
> I have not been able to find the same level of documentation (yet?) to
> OM. I have downloaded the toolchain, and I more or less know how to use
> it, thanks to a wiki page (wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain).
>
> But..
>
> > It would probably take about two hours if you were jumping into the
> > framework from scratch. So just do it.
>
> Do you have a link to a good starting point?  :-)

AFAIK, the OM system is a FULL linux system allowing support for ANY 
programming tool available on linux Providing there is a arm version of the 
tool floating around.

In fact, because of cross compilers, it is possible to write software on the 
phone but not for the phone (e.g even for WinCE might be feasible)

HHT
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Re: Freerunner and external Display

[Flemming Richter Mikkelsen]

On 5/6/08, Clinton Ebadi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But are there any that use VNC? It looks like at least that device
> uses an evil proprietary program making it useless for what people
> seem to want to do here.

Also it would be nice that it is so small that you can have it in your pocket,
and connects wireless to your Freerunner and accepts some open formats
so we don't need to put a lot of effort into developing a driver.

But thanks for all the suggestions:)
I didn't think it existed.

My idea of the BT adapter was to make something simple and small for
$15. I really think it is possible, but I rather buy something. Maybe I just
buy a micro projector instead... but they are a bit expensive. Anyway, it
is not something I really need right away, so I would have the time to make
my BT2VGA which could give me around 1fps

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Re: Software

[Bastian Muck]

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Anachron can unfortunately run tasks once a day, which you can read at 
the Drawback. I guess that tasks, with a "remember-funktions" canot 
really be realized with anachron.
I don't know if there is a timer, which can send an wakeup-interupt, but 
when it exists the next upcoming task could be searched an the time 
could be passed to the timer. Does anybody knows of such timer?

If not i think it should be integrated in gta03.

Greetings Bastian

Torfinn Ingolfsen schrieb:
| Hi,
|
| On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Mike Baroukh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|>  About this, I was wondering if there was possibility to have cron like
|>  tasks even if the phone is suspended ?
|
| You could always run something like anacron{1] on the phone. As long
| as yoy don't keep you phone suspended for a day or more that would
| work. :-)
|
| References:
| 1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anacron

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Re: Is anyone else getting 2 or 3 copies of every mails?

[Bastian Muck]

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there might be an answer to this. When you write an email an someone 
uses the "answer-all" function you get an email adressed to your email 
adress and one to the mailinglist. Possibly that might be an answer. And 
of course sometimes there are double-posts.


Greetings Bastia
ian douglas schrieb:
| Michele Renda wrote:
| > Only one copy also for me. It is like you registered two / three
| > times. Are you sure you don't have mail fowarding activated to
| > another email address registered to this mailing list?
|
| Nope, I've always only had a single address on the list, and I've been 
a member since last summer.

|
| I got 3 copies of my own follow-up, 3 copies of Mo's response, and two 
copies of Michele's, and none of them were a CC to both the list AND my 
address... all replies were only to the list address. All copies share 
an identical Message-Id, but I see some different send times from the 
mail headers.

|
| Using Mo's response, and looking at the mail headers, I see this block:
|
| Copy 1:
| Received: from dashavoo.com ([80.68.90.193])
| by sita.openmoko.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JtVGV-00059x-Rb
| for community@lists.openmoko.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 00:04:15 +0200
|
| Copy 2:
| Received: from dashavoo.com ([80.68.90.193])
| by sita.openmoko.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JtVGV-00059x-Rb
| for community@lists.openmoko.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 00:04:15 +0200
|
| Copy 3:
| Received: from dashavoo.com ([80.68.90.193])
| by sita.openmoko.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JtVGN-00059m-4G
| for community@lists.openmoko.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 00:04:07 +0200
|
|
| ... so the third copy definitely sent to the mailing list engine a 
second time, like maybe the mailing list engine looped back through 
incoming messages? But I can't see any differences in the first two 
copies of the message at all, nor any differences in the raw message 
(headers, etc) from the two copies I got from Michele via gmail.

|
| It started a maybe two weeks ago with getting second copies, but today 
I'm getting third copies, so wanted to ask what was up. I remember 
seeing posts a while back about duplicate messages, and someone had to 
reset something with the mailing list engine.

|
| Like I said, this is only affecting messages from the OpenMoko 
Community list. My personal Email and other mailing lists I'm on only 
deliver a single copy.

|
| Can someone in charge of the list take a look at it pretty-please?
|
| -id
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Re: Is anyone else getting 2 or 3 copies of every mails?

[ian douglas]

As I've mentioned already though, the copies I'm getting are all 
duplicates from the mailing list -- I got two copies of your message, 
but both copies were only sent to the mailing list. None of the extra 
copies I've received today had me personally listed as a To: or CC: 
recipient, and the Message-Id fields are always similar so I'm not 
getting BCC'd copies.


I quite confident that it's an issue with the mailing list.

-id


Bastian Muck wrote:

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there might be an answer to this. When you write an email an someone 
uses the "answer-all" function you get an email adressed to your email 
adress and one to the mailinglist. Possibly that might be an answer. And 
of course sometimes there are double-posts.


Greetings Bastia
ian douglas schrieb:
| Michele Renda wrote:
| > Only one copy also for me. It is like you registered two / three
| > times. Are you sure you don't have mail fowarding activated to
| > another email address registered to this mailing list?
|
| Nope, I've always only had a single address on the list, and I've been 
a member since last summer.

|
| I got 3 copies of my own follow-up, 3 copies of Mo's response, and two 
copies of Michele's, and none of them were a CC to both the list AND my 
address... all replies were only to the list address. All copies share 
an identical Message-Id, but I see some different send times from the 
mail headers.

|
| Using Mo's response, and looking at the mail headers, I see this block:
|
| Copy 1:
| Received: from dashavoo.com ([80.68.90.193])
| by sita.openmoko.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JtVGV-00059x-Rb
| for community@lists.openmoko.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 00:04:15 +0200
|
| Copy 2:
| Received: from dashavoo.com ([80.68.90.193])
| by sita.openmoko.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JtVGV-00059x-Rb
| for community@lists.openmoko.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 00:04:15 +0200
|
| Copy 3:
| Received: from dashavoo.com ([80.68.90.193])
| by sita.openmoko.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JtVGN-00059m-4G
| for community@lists.openmoko.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 00:04:07 +0200
|
|
| ... so the third copy definitely sent to the mailing list engine a 
second time, like maybe the mailing list engine looped back through 
incoming messages? But I can't see any differences in the first two 
copies of the message at all, nor any differences in the raw message 
(headers, etc) from the two copies I got from Michele via gmail.

|
| It started a maybe two weeks ago with getting second copies, but today 
I'm getting third copies, so wanted to ask what was up. I remember 
seeing posts a while back about duplicate messages, and someone had to 
reset something with the mailing list engine.

|
| Like I said, this is only affecting messages from the OpenMoko 
Community list. My personal Email and other mailing lists I'm on only 
deliver a single copy.

|
| Can someone in charge of the list take a look at it pretty-please?
|
| -id
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Re: Stylus Recommendation

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Tom Russell wrote:

I like to have both a pen and stylus handy but hate carrying more than
necessary.  I found a very small (10cm, closed) combo


What about those [1] ?
I like the Confort Stylus...


[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stylus_Alternatives

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Re: Software

[Ryan Prior]

Perhaps "phone-cron" needs to be written, to take anacron to the level of
task flexibility required for modern cell phones. Cron and anacron are
crusty old beasts - we need something fresh and sharp.

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Bastian Muck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> Anachron can unfortunately run tasks once a day, which you can read at the
> Drawback. I guess that tasks, with a "remember-funktions" canot really be
> realized with anachron.
> I don't know if there is a timer, which can send an wakeup-interupt, but
> when it exists the next upcoming task could be searched an the time could be
> passed to the timer. Does anybody knows of such timer?
> If not i think it should be integrated in gta03.
>
> Greetings Bastian
>
> Torfinn Ingolfsen schrieb:
> | Hi,
> |
> | On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Mike Baroukh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> |>  About this, I was wondering if there was possibility to have cron like
> |>  tasks even if the phone is suspended ?
> |
> | You could always run something like anacron{1] on the phone. As long
> | as yoy don't keep you phone suspended for a day or more that would
> | work. :-)
> |
> | References:
> | 1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anacron
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Re: Is anyone else getting 2 or 3 copies of every mails?

[Bastian Muck]

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Hmm, i don't have this Problem. Do you use an emailclient?

ian douglas schrieb:
| As I've mentioned already though, the copies I'm getting are all 
duplicates from the mailing list -- I got two copies of your message, 
but both copies were only sent to the mailing list. None of the extra 
copies I've received today had me personally listed as a To: or CC: 
recipient, and the Message-Id fields are always similar so I'm not 
getting BCC'd copies.

|
| I quite confident that it's an issue with the mailing list.
|
| -id
|
|
| Bastian Muck wrote:
| there might be an answer to this. When you write an email an someone 
uses the "answer-all" function you get an email adressed to your email 
adress and one to the mailinglist. Possibly that might be an answer. And 
of course sometimes there are double-posts.

|
| Greetings Bastia
| ian douglas schrieb:
| | Michele Renda wrote:
| | > Only one copy also for me. It is like you registered two / three
| | > times. Are you sure you don't have mail fowarding activated to
| | > another email address registered to this mailing list?
| |
| | Nope, I've always only had a single address on the list, and I've 
been a member since last summer.

| |
| | I got 3 copies of my own follow-up, 3 copies of Mo's response, and 
two copies of Michele's, and none of them were a CC to both the list AND 
my address... all replies were only to the list address. All copies 
share an identical Message-Id, but I see some different send times from 
the mail headers.

| |
| | Using Mo's response, and looking at the mail headers, I see this block:
| |
| | Copy 1:
| | Received: from dashavoo.com ([80.68.90.193])
| | by sita.openmoko.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JtVGV-00059x-Rb
| | for community@lists.openmoko.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 00:04:15 +0200
| |
| | Copy 2:
| | Received: from dashavoo.com ([80.68.90.193])
| | by sita.openmoko.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JtVGV-00059x-Rb
| | for community@lists.openmoko.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 00:04:15 +0200
| |
| | Copy 3:
| | Received: from dashavoo.com ([80.68.90.193])
| | by sita.openmoko.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JtVGN-00059m-4G
| | for community@lists.openmoko.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 00:04:07 +0200
| |
| |
| | ... so the third copy definitely sent to the mailing list engine a 
second time, like maybe the mailing list engine looped back through 
incoming messages? But I can't see any differences in the first two 
copies of the message at all, nor any differences in the raw message 
(headers, etc) from the two copies I got from Michele via gmail.

| |
| | It started a maybe two weeks ago with getting second copies, but 
today I'm getting third copies, so wanted to ask what was up. I remember 
seeing posts a while back about duplicate messages, and someone had to 
reset something with the mailing list engine.

| |
| | Like I said, this is only affecting messages from the OpenMoko 
Community list. My personal Email and other mailing lists I'm on only 
deliver a single copy.

| |
| | Can someone in charge of the list take a look at it pretty-please?
| |
| | -id
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Re: Software

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Ryan Prior wrote:
Perhaps "phone-cron" needs to be written, to take anacron to the level 
of task flexibility required for modern cell phones. Cron and anacron 
are crusty old beasts - we need something fresh and sharp.


Talking with dbus too...

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Freerunner and external Display

[Adam Steele]

I've had the thought of a micro projector rolling around in my head for
a few weeks after stumbling upon this:
http://spritesmods.com/?art=picframe
It's software driven and can do ~8FPS, although it's passive matrix and
128x128 resolution. With a few ultra bright LEDs (I have a few 265 lumen
LEDs**) and a smallish film camera lens a cheap cheap DIY projector
sounds feasible. It might not be good enough for slide shows but it
could show videos to friends on a bigger than normal screen (two feet
diagonal, at best is what I'm thinking) all from a cellphone. Add in a
lithium battery or two (3.7v 2200mah) and it'd be great. It's USB &
Linux friendly...could even add it to the NSLU2!

**http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G16642


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Re: Programming OM

[Clinton Ebadi]

Thomas Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Clinton Ebadi wrote:
>> The nice part about the Openmoko platform is that you can now apply
>> the Emacs mentality to a phone: if it is a simple feature you can hack
>> it together in an afternoon yourself.
>
> I am new here. Do I understand this correct - it will be possible to
> write programs on the phone for the phone? Or will I need to write and
> compile the programs on a pc? 
>
> One thing I liked about my Palm PDA was OnBoardC - I had my first
> program running, written on the PDA, a week after I got it. But Palm
> also had some very fine documentation, and OnBoardC had a programming
> Cookbook, so it was easy to get started. 

You should be able to load up the Python repl and hack together
applications using that. I imagine it could run Emacs fairly well too
if you have an external keyboard at least. GCC and everything can be
built for the device, but it's all quite slow.

I'm working on porting GNU clisp[0] to EABI ARM. It cross compiles,
but without generational GC or an FFI yet which limits its usability a
bit (OTOH it ought to be able to run McCLIM with the CLX backend). I'm
a bit distracted by adding some CLIM 2.2 features to McCLIM right now
(gadget based accepting-values and whatnot to make writing a
touch-application-mixin easier to write later) so I'm unsure when that
will be ready (not that anyone but me would care for Common Lisp on a
phone). The FFI problems require a bit of assembly hacking which is
new to me (ah munging with the stack! The black abyss of horror).


>> It would probably take about two hours if you were jumping into the
>> framework from scratch. So just do it.
>
> Do you have a link to a good starting point?  :-)

The GUI toolkit is good old Gtk for things like the contact/dialer
application. Just fetch the source for openmoko-dialer2 and you should
be able to orient yourself. It's written in C though (yech, extra
effort for nothing).

See
/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/src/common/moko-contacts.*
in the openmoko svn repo. It looks like it stores things using
libebook[1] so it ought to be trivial to do birthdays since the
backend has a predefined field for it. It looks like there are python
bindings for libebook[2] which makes it easier (I don't much like
Python, but given that the alternative is C...).

Then just hack up a quick GUI and some cron job to check for birthdays
on the current day at some reasonable time.

[0] http://clisp.cons.org
[1] http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/developer-doc/libebook/index.html
[2] http://www.conduit-project.org/wiki/evolution-python

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Re: Programming OM

[Yoni Rabkin]

Clinton Ebadi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> (not that anyone but me would care for Common Lisp on a phone).

You are not alone: I'd love Common Lisp on the phone.

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Re: Software

[joerg]

Am Mi  7. Mai 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño):
> Ryan Prior wrote:
> > Perhaps "phone-cron" needs to be written, to take anacron to the level 
> > of task flexibility required for modern cell phones. Cron and anacron 
> > are crusty old beasts - we need something fresh and sharp.
> 
> Talking with dbus too...

Yep, agree. Been thinking about this some days ago (suspend/resume debates).

and: There is a RTC-alarm timer of course, that will wake the device from 
suspend or even power_down. Lives inside PCF50633 PMU chip, part of our 
hwclock (aka realtime or cmos-clock).

/j

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Re: Is anyone else getting 2 or 3 copies of every mails?

[joerg]

Am Mi  7. Mai 2008 schrieb Mo Abrahams:
> Nope, not me
> 
 yep, this very one was twice
/j

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Re: Software

[Steven Kurylo]

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 5:31 PM, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ryan Prior wrote:
>
> > Perhaps "phone-cron" needs to be written, to take anacron to the level of
> task flexibility required for modern cell phones. Cron and anacron are
> crusty old beasts - we need something fresh and sharp.
> >
>
>  Talking with dbus too...

I don't know the power difference, but if I have a scheduled alarm and
I turn my blackberry off it asks if it should be really off or off and
wake up for the alarm.

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