On openomoko wiki pages it is written that price will be around 399
dollars, so this means that in europe will be around 260 euros or they
will do "the same" like some other companies do (sell something for
example for 400 dollars in US and for 400 euros in EU)?
steve pravi:
SMT is
On Saturday 14 June 2008 10:50:12 Federico Lorenzi wrote:
This has been beaten to death in previous threats. You are not getting
the phone for free, you are merely paying for it in your contract.
With most carriers I know, you actually do get it for free in a sense because
you would pay as
Hi Steve
I think I was a bit mis-understood.
I didn't told that all the decisions must to be took with a votation
system! If we would do so I think we will not have a phone, but a microwave.
My idea was only: when Openmoko has to take a decision between two
equivalent solution and WANT to
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| You can do that with IMAP, which is the modern protocol for accessing
On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 14:54 +1000, Nigel Cunningham wrote:
Can you do sending and receiving email and so on with GSM, or is that 3G only?
Of course. It's only slower over GSM (GPRS).
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On Sun, June 15, 2008 2:54 pm, Nigel Cunningham wrote:
I'd like
to replace them both by one thing, and I want that one thing to be Linux
based and open source. At the same time, though, I want it to be useful
for a long time. 3G
Hi,
I am a OMmer but I can help you because I studied a bit the cost to sell
the OM in Europe.
399 $ is the price of FR in US.
We can image that EU reseller can buy FR in 10 pack, so 369 $ for unit
(I don't know how much tehy pay, It is a supposition done to help calc)
369 $ = 240 Euro
To
Suppose I could check the project page, but it's 2:30am and I'm tired
and lazy. I was updating and installing some software on my Freerunner
tonight to test mp3 playback and noticed again that there's still no
mention of a cron engine in the opkg library.
Anybody know if it's being worked on?
On 2008-06-15 10:57:22 +0200, Michele Renda wrote:
I am a OMmer but I can help you because I studied a bit the cost to sell
the OM in Europe.
399 $ is the price of FR in US.
We can image that EU reseller can buy FR in 10 pack, so 369 $ for unit
(I don't know how much tehy pay, It is a
Did anybody else notice a huge increase in the spam they get since they
first joined this mailing list? I never used to get any, and within a
week of joining this list I get lots.
Mo.
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I'm pretty sure that OM grants the resellers a rebate that's a 2 digit
percentage over the 10-pack rebate.
So let's see what the resellers can do.
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hi,
I am a OMmer but I can help you because I studied a bit the cost to
Hi.
On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 18:55 +1000, NeilBrown wrote:
On Sun, June 15, 2008 2:54 pm, Nigel Cunningham wrote:
I'd like
to replace them both by one thing, and I want that one thing to be Linux
based and open source. At the same
On 2008-06-15 02:29:48 -0700, ian douglas wrote:
Suppose I could check the project page, but it's 2:30am and I'm tired
and lazy. I was updating and installing some software on my Freerunner
tonight to test mp3 playback and noticed again that there's still no
mention of a cron engine in the
User John running sudo rm -rf /* is better than root running rm -rf
/* because...?
Because sudo can be configured to accept users in certain groups to
run certain commands with or without a password. rm can be
restricted, whereas opkg can be permitted without password.
IMO, running everything
Hi,
--- On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Kim Alvefur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| I got the same message after upgrading sshd on my server, due to the
| Debian ssl-thingy and me disabling cleartext passwords.
\--
Upgraded openssl, openssh-client packages. Re-generated ssh keys.
Checked with sudo
arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Plus, forums usually have provisions for storage and selective
notifications.
you mail client doesn't store your email? wow! :)
do you store everry mail?
as somebody said, the signal/noise-ratio here is rather bad (and i know,
this thread is adding
No increase in spam here.
I use thunderbird, so I don't see any spam :D
Mo Abrahams skrev:
Did anybody else notice a huge increase in the spam they get since they
first joined this mailing list? I never used to get any, and within a
week of joining this list I get lots.
Mo.
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Peter J. Holzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2008-06-15 02:29:48 -0700, ian douglas wrote:
Suppose I could check the project page, but it's 2:30am and I'm tired
and lazy. I was updating and installing some software on my Freerunner
tonight to test mp3
As I already pointed out, re-establishing the correct privilege
isolation is a fundamental step to enforce security, even though the
phone will have only 1 user. In the future we should have a few root
process, dedicated accounts for daemons and a X session belonging to
the user. IMHO it could be
| There is no need to delete email when you use IMAP; email doesn't use
| that much space, and, unless you use a terrible client, nothing will
| slow down from having mail going back forever.
Tell that to the IT department at work. They've recently lowered our email
storage limits on the M$
Am So 15. Juni 2008 schrieb Peter J. Holzer:
On 2008-06-15 02:29:48 -0700, ian douglas wrote:
Suppose I could check the project page, but it's 2:30am and I'm tired
and lazy. I was updating and installing some software on my Freerunner
tonight to test mp3 playback and noticed again that
Am So 15. Juni 2008 schrieb Mikael Lammentausta:
User John running sudo rm -rf /* is better than root running rm -rf
/* because...?
Because sudo can be configured to accept users in certain groups to
run certain commands with or without a password. rm can be
restricted, whereas opkg can
finished. But many jobs usually don't need to run at a fixed time. They
can just run the next time the device is woken up by the user. Or the
next time the device has AC power.
anacron
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use webmail. Since we're saying 'low-speed IP' does that mean SSH would
be possible?
depends on your use of ssh -- tunneling X will probably be a bad idea
(maybe vnc or so is an alternative?), but everything that works on the
commandline should be reasonable fast.
Would providers tend to
Did anybody else notice a huge increase in the spam they get since they
first joined this mailing list?
not yet -- but the archive at lists.openmoko.org does not hide
email-addresses. thus, harvesting should be pretty easy.
maybe the archive could be configured to chop off everything after @?
What about upstart integration? A look into the faq of the upstart
project lists replacement of cron/atd/anacron as one of the planned
features [1].
[1] http://upstart.ubuntu.com/faq.html#replace-cron
Ilja O. schrieb:
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Peter J. Holzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
su, 2008-06-15 kello 16:39 +0200, Joerg Reisenweber kirjoitti:
YEP, exactly. Really wonder whether ssh is open to GPRS :-o (I had to fire up
GPRS to check, my simcard doesn't allow right now. shame on me :-/ )
For sure it's no good idea to run the web-browser as root.
Last I checked yes. So,
Am So 15. Juni 2008 schrieb arne anka:
anacron
see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anacron #Drawbacks
Also anacron doesn't address the rtcwake topic.
We should plan for something more versatile that's merging cron(/anacron),
at/batch, rtcwake, and the other powermanagement and wake-from-suspend
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 4:25 AM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
will tell you that having those kind of permissions systems when the
INTRUDER has physical access to the device is next to pointless.
the om is connected via wlan or bluetooth -- thus allowing hacking into it
(if it is not
Yes, but if anyone really wants to get the email addresses, they just
join the list ;)
arne anka skrev:
Did anybody else notice a huge increase in the spam they get since they
first joined this mailing list?
not yet -- but the archive at lists.openmoko.org does not hide
Yes, but if anyone really wants to get the email addresses, they just
join the list ;)
true, oh pharao -- which poses the question, why not use a foru ... uhm,
never mind :-)
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Firstly, sorry for the blank reply. Accidentally double clicked and
send is in the same spot. :P
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 4:25 AM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
only opkg is run, not everything possible.
logging in as root opens a world of ways to harm your data, either by
accident or
A lot depends on your network provider. I can't even ping my
FreeRunner on vodafone, for example.
Tmobile put it's first firewall up in 2002:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/11/27/first_hackers_sighted_in_high/
J
2008/6/15 Mikko Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
su, 2008-06-15 kello 16:39 +0200,
well, let's say we disagree in the classification of the om -- i think
it's a very powerfull mobile computer and thus should follow basically the
same idea of security.
the user's data can be backed up and thus restored if compromised or
destroyed.
the system itself may causes severe loss of
On 15 Jun 2008, at 05:54, Nigel Cunningham wrote:
...
Or maybe I am just ignorant. Can you do sending
and receiving email and so on with GSM, or is that 3G only?
GSM is fine for this.
...
I'd really rather buy a Freerunner, but at the moment I'm not sure
what
to do. I currently have a
Could we weight votes by code committed. No code. No vote.
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To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: Why not use votation
On 15 Jun 2008, at 15:15, Shawn wrote:
There is no need to delete email when you use IMAP; email doesn't
use that much space, and, unless you use a terrible client,
nothing will slow down from having mail going back forever.
Tell that to the IT department at work. They've recently
If you have root AND user, root can make a backup copy of user's valuable data
every once in a while, and user or the virus she imported while browsing the
web can NOT destroy this backup.
I can't follow your arguments. It's NOT an evil person we need to fence in,
it's bad behaviour of
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 9:15 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
well, let's say we disagree in the classification of the om -- i think
it's a very powerfull mobile computer and thus should follow basically the
same idea of security.
the user's data can be backed up and thus restored if
Isn't there a targeted SElinux policy being developed as part of GSoC?
On 6/15/08, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you have root AND user, root can make a backup copy of user's valuable
data
every once in a while, and user or the virus she imported while browsing the
web can NOT
On my laptop, I can choose if I want to run SE Linux or not.
I think that the at least one image should run default with a
non-root user and everything in /etc/sudoers. This way,
people can uncomment inside that file and apply the
security they like.
Sounds a lot like looking after a laptop
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 4:18 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could we weight votes by code committed. No code. No vote.
Seems like the Apache project rules, +1 !!!
;-)
Robert
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Sounds a lot like looking after a laptop rather than using a phone.
I've already written about how I like the FreeRunner because it's
*not* a laptop:
basically, yes. but that's probably due to the limited experience. i for
one know palm pda/smartphone and laptop/pc -- according to the spec
i get every mail more or less 2h after it is sent (polling the account ist
set to 15min), though the archive
(http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-June/date.html)
displays them much earlier.
is this intended?
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On 2008-06-15 21:15:40 +0200, arne anka wrote:
well, let's say we disagree in the classification of the om -- i think
it's a very powerfull mobile computer and thus should follow basically the
same idea of security.
the user's data can be backed up and thus restored if compromised or
Hi!
For those who're still interested in further liberating their GTA01's:
I've just stumbled over the http://www.gps-sdr.com/ project, which
implements a full GPS solution based on SDR (software defined radio) -
all in Free Software.
This is actually more than the proprietary GlobalLocate
On Mon, June 16, 2008 5:14 am, Stroller wrote:
I'm not sure what the big deal is with 3G.
My misconception was that GSM was only dial-up speed, but someone
recently posted here stating otherwise. Someone debated with him over
his terming GSM as having ADSL speed, but if it's 2 or 3 times
good one, code committed to main stream distro? or bash code ? python script
included in that offer?
--- El dom, 15/6/08, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
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Asunto: RE: Why not use votation system?
Para: 'List for Openmoko community discussion'
On Sunday 15 June 2008 13:36, Mo Abrahams wrote:
Did anybody else notice a huge increase in the spam they get since they
first joined this mailing list? I never used to get any, and within a
week of joining this list I get lots.
I use a unique email adress for this list, but my spam folder
I havent heard this. could they use a display unit
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Subject: Invisible Shield
Hi Steve,
I recall a message posted a
I get them very fast, my guess is it's probably something with your service
provider.
Regards,
Jörgen
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I havent thought out the details, but essentially I would like a system
where I could be more attentive
To the people making big contributions, without ignoring those who have yet
to make one. Tough balance.
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Same here. I started just a few days ago.
Cheers.
Kosa
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arne anka escribió:
i get every mail more or less 2h after it is sent (polling the account ist
set to 15min), though the archive
(http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-June/date.html)
Hello,
I know nothing about speech recognition, so if the following won't work,
please let me know (gently :) ).
I understand that there is a project called Sphinx in CMU which attempts
speech recognition. It seems pretty complex. I couldn't get it to work
on my Linux desktop. I'm not sure
steve wrote:
I havent heard this. could they use a display unit
I'm guessing they could because they would need to measure the unit and
probably check that the custom cover fits well and doesn't block any
sockets. Any unit that is the same form factor and format as the final
one should do.
I actually just interfaced with the Sphinx project at one of the
research positions I hold. It is actually a very well written interface
(for the most part...there were a few things poorly documented and/or
implemented) But anyway, I found the java version of the project (Sphinx
4
su, 2008-06-15 kello 16:07 -0700, Ajit Natarajan kirjoitti:
I see a speech project on the OM projects page. To me, it seems like
the project is attempting command recognition, e.g., voice dialing.
Feasible especially if the user trains the command words in advance.
(Didn't check if it does
Bitfrost looks likes an interesting security model. It would be well worth
consideration.
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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:59:24 +0100
Subject: Bitfrost
...
I've also posted twice (I think - I found one one on Google) to this
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008, Dale Schumacher wrote:
Bitfrost looks likes an interesting security model. It would be well
worth consideration.
The Bitfrost security software isn't fully ready yet, and still being
integrated with OLPC's sugar package.
It is a nice model, but it is very focused on an
Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
We should plan for something more versatile that's merging cron(/anacron),
at/batch, rtcwake, and the other powermanagement and wake-from-suspend
reasons to make a nice cute task-scheduler
Yes please! I have a long shopping list of things I'd like to schedule
on a
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| I actually just interfaced with the Sphinx project at one of the
| research positions I hold. It is actually a very well written interface
| (for the most part...there were a few things poorly documented and/or
| implemented) But
Hi,
I'm new to OpenMoko and would like to seek for help on gtk+directfb.
I'd like to know if anyone had successfully build the OpenMoko with
gtk+-directfb before.
First approach:
I convert all the *.conf with:
PREFERRED_PROVIDER_gtk+ ?= gtk+-directfb
It failed to include the gtk+-directfb as
Depends on what you want to get out of the opinion poll.
An expert view or a mass market view. Or a democratic expert decision?
They may (and will!) differ and my proposal would be to get a view
into both.
Nikolaus
Am 15.06.2008 um 21:18 schrieb steve:
Could we weight votes by code
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