Re: Map Overlay OF Wiki

2008-06-20 Thread Charles Edward Pax 
Can the United States be broken into states? I don't think Alaska and the
stuff in the middle matters as much as the map suggests.

-Charles

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> HI, all:
> Attached file is map overlay of wiki of May.
>
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Re: Fwd: [ ~102731 ] voice driver

2008-06-20 Thread Hugo Mills 
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 11:15:01AM +1000, Matt Flax wrote:
> HI there,
> 
> Just letting you all know that it seems the idea of using a pci express
> voice modem with the openmoko software will be limited by the manufacturers.
> They appear to not be interested in supporting communities of users but
> rather individual business clients ...
> 
> I quote them : "openmoko.org can contact us directly if they wish to
> work with us."

   So:

 - Put a page on the Openmoko wiki about your project

 - "Hello, remember me? I'm from the  project at openmoko.org, and
   we're trying to set up official support for your hardware on this
   platform."

   At the very least, you should get out of them a list of
requirements that they need in order for you to work with them (NDA,
money, incorporation, single point of contact...)

   Hugo.

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Re: Delay is getting worse...

2008-06-20 Thread Peter Nijs 
Done

https://admin-trac.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1422

Peter

Op Friday 20 June 2008 02:07:03 schreef Steven Kurylo:
> Here it is:
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> The message is recieved by openmoko at 20:54:07 +0200, but doesn't
> forward it along until 22:25:10 +0200.
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> You should file a bug report to ensure someone looks into it.
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Re: SMT is running!

2008-06-20 Thread Martin Šenkeřík 
It's v5, you find info in mailing list, easily searching for "v5" ;-)

ohin

On 6/18/08, einstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi steve,
>
>  what relese from the Freerunner ist now in massproduction? I asked
>  becaus in the wiki
>  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#GTA02v6 is
>  some important info about the different vom the GTA02v5 to the GTA02v6
>  /
>  "Add GSM IR resistor for better GSM deep sleep"
>
>  /What version i buy now, when the shop opens? gta02v5 or gta02v6?
>
>  Thanks for your answer
>
>  Greets
>
>
>  Einstein
>
>
>  steve wrote:
>  >
>  >  So I got word from the factory that we have our date.
>  >
>  >  And we got the line.
>  >
>  >  And parts are being planted on boards this week.
>  >
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Re: SMT is running!

2008-06-20 Thread Christ van Willegen 
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Martin Šenkeřík
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's v5, you find info in mailing list, easily searching for "v5" ;-)

ITYM v6, because that's what in the Wiki...

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Re: SMT is running!

2008-06-20 Thread Steffen Winkler 
Hi,

so why is there a v6 then, when they are only producing the v5? Or will there 
be a change to v6 and if yes, when?

Steffen
 Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:31:54 +0200
> Von: "Martin Šenkeřík" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> An: "List for Openmoko community discussion" 
> Betreff: Re: SMT is running!

> It's v5, you find info in mailing list, easily searching for "v5" ;-)
> 
> ohin
> 
> On 6/18/08, einstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi steve,
> >
> >  what relese from the Freerunner ist now in massproduction? I asked
> >  becaus in the wiki
> >  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#GTA02v6 is
> >  some important info about the different vom the GTA02v5 to the GTA02v6
> >  /
> >  "Add GSM IR resistor for better GSM deep sleep"
> >
> >  /What version i buy now, when the shop opens? gta02v5 or gta02v6?
> >
> >  Thanks for your answer
> >
> >  Greets
> >
> >
> >  Einstein
> >
> >
> >  steve wrote:
> >  >
> >  >  So I got word from the factory that we have our date.
> >  >
> >  >  And we got the line.
> >  >
> >  >  And parts are being planted on boards this week.
> >  >
> >
> > >  I know it's been a long wait for everybody, but the stone is almost
> to the
> >  > top of the hill.
> >  >
> >  >
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Re: error package linux/linux-handhelds-2.6

2008-06-20 Thread Jose Luis Perez Diez 
El Friday, 20 de June de 2008 08:38:57 Estelle CHAPEAU va escriure:
> Hello,
> I work on PC Linux Ubuntu.
> I install prerequisites like indicates the MokoMakefile (
> http://wiki-openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile).
> But the command "make openmoko-devel-image" is failed.

The Log if the compilation suggest that the target machine is now ipaq 
handheld

>
>
> I take "make update-makefile && make setup && make update" but "make
> update is failed

It notifies that the files 
packages/linux/linux-handhelds-2.6
packages/linux/linux-handhelds-2.6_2.6.21-hh20.bb
had been modified 

I'm sorry I cannot be more usefull as I'm just leaning how this build system  
works

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Re: Map Overlay OF Wiki

2008-06-20 Thread arne anka 
> Can the United States be broken into states?

they tried it once and it was no big success ...
*scnr*

btw: i got this mail twice as it happens with some others, too. not all  
and not often but sometimes there are a few.

> I don't think Alaska and the
> stuff in the middle matters as much as the map suggests.
>
> -Charles
>
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:23 AM, BrendaWang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> HI, all:
>> Attached file is map overlay of wiki of May.
>>
>> Brenda.
>>
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Freerunner wallpaper

2008-06-20 Thread Dale Schumacher 
Sorry everyone.  This message (posted last Monday) was stuck in the
moderator's queue due to size.  Subsequently, I created the
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wallpaper page and attached my wallpaper
graphic to that page.  I didn't expect this message would actually reach the
list.

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> From: "Dale Schumacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:23:25 -0500
> Subject: Freerunner wallpaper
> I thought I would share some inspirational (to me at least) wallpaper that
> may actually have some practical value as well.  This image helps me design
> graphics to fit the Freerunner display, both portrait and landscape, as well
> as other common display resolutions.  If there is a better way to distribute
> this kind of material, or a better place to store it, let me know.  I would
> enjoy seeing other Openmoko-inspired wallpaper designs.  I hope you enjoy
> mine.
>
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Re: SMT is running!

2008-06-20 Thread Christ van Willegen 
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Steffen Winkler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> so why is there a v6 then, when they are only producing the v5? Or will there 
> be a change to v6 and if yes, when?
If you look here:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware and look
for GTA02v6, you'll find that the v6 is the mass production version...

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Re: Map Overlay OF Wiki

2008-06-20 Thread Steven Kurylo 
> btw: i got this mail twice as it happens with some others, too. not all
> and not often but sometimes there are a few.

Post the message headers, preferably to the bug tracker.  Otherwise
nothing can ever be done.

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Re: Map Overlay OF Wiki

2008-06-20 Thread Kim Alvefur 
On Tue, 2008-06-03 at 12:23 +0800, BrendaWang wrote:
> HI, all:
> Attached file is map overlay of wiki of May.
> 
> Brenda.

It would be interesting if one took population in account. (per capita)


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Re: Duplicate Message

2008-06-20 Thread Christophe Badoit 
Le vendredi 20 juin 2008 à 17:27, vous avez écrit :


> Post the message headers, preferably to the bug tracker.  Otherwise
> nothing can ever be done.

I got the message twice, too.

The headers are attached.

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Using gmane with openmoko mailing lists + thunderbird

2008-06-20 Thread Ben Burdette 
I found that you can 'subscribe' to mailing lists as newsgroups with 
this news.gmane.org list-to-nntp server.  I was able to subscribe to and 
then download all the headers for the 12 or two openmoko mailing lists, 
in just a few minutes.  Pretty cool.  This is using the Thunderbird news 
client. 

I can't seem to figure out how to reply to messages using this interface 
though.  I was able to do it to the gmane.test 'newsgroup' (list?).  
However, it doesn't really work for the openmoko lists.  Anyone had 
success with this?

Ben

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Re: Duplicate Message

2008-06-20 Thread Steven Kurylo 
>> Post the message headers, preferably to the bug tracker.  Otherwise
>> nothing can ever be done.
>
> I got the message twice, too.
>
> The headers are attached.

While it appear the user sent the message once (same message ID and
first received line), the google http server (10.151.60.2) sent two
copies 27 seconds apart.  There is nothing openmoko can do about this.

It would be interesting to know if all the duplicate messages came
from users using gmail.

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Re: Enough already (too many posts about forum vs. mail lists)

2008-06-20 Thread Larry Riedel 

> It's time to end the infinite string of emails about
> using a forum vs not using one. NOW!

I guess this could be taken as subtly suggesting
the use of forums, since that infinite string of
emails could be in its own thread, with people who
are interested reading and replying there without
people who are not interested telling them to stop.

I personally had been able to ignore that thread
because I can easily tell my mail reading software
to ignore a thread, but since the message "Enough
already" was not sent with the same Subject, and had
neither an In-Reply-To or References indicating it
was a followup to that thread, it showed up as a
new thread, so even though I was easily able to
ignore those emails, I had to see "Enough already".


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Re: Duplicate Message

2008-06-20 Thread arne anka 
> It would be interesting to know if all the duplicate messages came
> from users using gmail.

after scanning my inbox (since 3. jul) -- most.
though, not all mails from a gmail account get sent (received?) twice and  
not every mail from such an account.
i found one mail from cc.helsinki.fi and one from hotmail.com.
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Re: Using gmane with openmoko mailing lists + thunderbird

2008-06-20 Thread Mike Montour 
Ben Burdette wrote:

> I can't seem to figure out how to reply to messages using this interface 
> though.  I was able to do it to the gmane.test 'newsgroup' (list?).  
> However, it doesn't really work for the openmoko lists.  Anyone had 
> success with this?

The first time that you post a message to a group, gmane sends you an 
email to confirm that your From: address is valid. You have to reply to 
that before your original message will be posted. If you don't see this 
message, check your junk-mail folder.

You may also have to wait a couple of hours for posts to show up. I 
don't know if that delay is on the gmane side or if it's the Openmoko 
mailserver.

(posted through gmane)


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Convert Freerunner CAD Files - IGES or STEP?

2008-06-20 Thread Christmann, Hans C 
Hi List,

I just recently got interested in the Neo Freerunner and am (I guess as
everybody here...) very excited to get my hands on a copy of it...

Since I was planning on not necessarily utilzing the Freerunner as a
phone, I am messing around with the CAD files which are available on the
openmoko website. I found some emails related to the files but was not
sure, if anybody already did this, so here is the question again:

I have access to Pro/E and am willing to convert the Wildfire 3 files into
something else. What do you prefer? IGES (Wireframe or Solid?), or STEP
(Wireframe or Solid?)?

I will check this thread again Monday and then decide on which way to
go...

Thanks for your feedback.

Claus

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Re: Duplicate Message

2008-06-20 Thread Steven Kurylo 
> after scanning my inbox (since 3. jul) -- most.
> though, not all mails from a gmail account get sent (received?) twice and
> not every mail from such an account.
> i found one mail from cc.helsinki.fi and one from hotmail.com.
> cc.helsinki.fi:

In both your posted cases, cc.helsinki.fi and hotmail.com sent the
message twice to openmoko.  Nothing we can do.  There is a possibility
that openmoko dropped the connection or issued a 4xx code, but still
delivered the initial message.  In those cases the sending server
would retry, creating two copies of the message.  But that would be a
pretty bad bug in exim and I can't image how they could mis-configure
exim to do this.

That couldn't be the case in the previous gmail headers I looked at.
The message was duplicated while still in the gmail network.

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Re: Convert Freerunner CAD Files - IGES or STEP?

2008-06-20 Thread Andy Selby 
> I have access to Pro/E and am willing to convert the Wildfire 3 files into
> something else. What do you prefer? IGES (Wireframe or Solid?), or STEP
> (Wireframe or Solid?)?

.DXF would be nice

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RE: SMT is running!

2008-06-20 Thread steve 
 what few v5 there were have been reworked to be like a v6. this is covered
long ago. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Šenkerík
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Subject: Re: SMT is running!

It's v5, you find info in mailing list, easily searching for "v5" ;-)

ohin

On 6/18/08, einstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi steve,
>
>  what relese from the Freerunner ist now in massproduction? I asked  
> becaus in the wiki
>  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#GTA02v6 
> is  some important info about the different vom the GTA02v5 to the 
> GTA02v6  /  "Add GSM IR resistor for better GSM deep sleep"
>
>  /What version i buy now, when the shop opens? gta02v5 or gta02v6?
>
>  Thanks for your answer
>
>  Greets
>
>
>  Einstein
>
>
>  steve wrote:
>  >
>  >  So I got word from the factory that we have our date.
>  >
>  >  And we got the line.
>  >
>  >  And parts are being planted on boards this week.
>  >
>
> >  I know it's been a long wait for everybody, but the stone is almost 
> > to the
>  > top of the hill.
>  >
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Re: Using gmane with openmoko mailing lists + thunderbird

2008-06-20 Thread bburdette 

> The first time that you post a message to a group, gmane sends you an 
> email to confirm that your From: address is valid. You have to reply to 
> that before your original message will be posted. If you don't see this 
> message, check your junk-mail folder.
> 
> You may also have to wait a couple of hours for posts to show up. I 
> don't know if that delay is on the gmane side or if it's the Openmoko 
> mailserver.
> 
> (posted through gmane)

Ok thanks for the info.  Hopefully this will come up on the list - sorry 
for the test spam everyone, just don't know how else to get this working.

Ben


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Re: Duplicate Message

2008-06-20 Thread Ewan Marshall 
> While it appear the user sent the message once (same message ID and
> first received line), the google http server (10.151.60.2) sent two
> copies 27 seconds apart.  There is nothing openmoko can do about this.
> 
> It would be interesting to know if all the duplicate messages came
> from users using gmail.

Got duplicate, using gmail/googlemail. Need to get in contact with 
google again?

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Re: Convert Freerunner CAD Files - IGES or STEP?

2008-06-20 Thread bburdette 
> 
> I have access to Pro/E and am willing to convert the Wildfire 3 files 
> into something else. What do you prefer? IGES (Wireframe or Solid?), or 
> STEP (Wireframe or Solid?)?
> 


All of the above?  If its just a matter of selecting an export format.


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Re: Duplicate Message

2008-06-20 Thread arne anka 
> In both your posted cases, cc.helsinki.fi and hotmail.com sent the
> message twice to openmoko.  Nothing we can do.

no problem. only tried to be helpful to narrow down the faulty part.

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Re: Convert Freerunner CAD Files - IGES or STEP?

2008-06-20 Thread Mike Montour 
Christmann, Hans C wrote:

> I have access to Pro/E and am willing to convert the Wildfire 3 files 
> into something else. What do you prefer? IGES (Wireframe or Solid?), or 
> STEP (Wireframe or Solid?)?

I don't have any need for the CAD files myself, but yesterday someone on 
IRC was looking for an open-source program that could view them. Blender 
apparently has the ability to import .slp files from Pro/E, so it might 
be nice to have that in addition to IGES or STEP.


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Re: Convert Freerunner CAD Files - IGES or STEP?

2008-06-20 Thread Robin Paulson 
2008/6/21  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> I have access to Pro/E and am willing to convert the Wildfire 3 files
>> into something else. What do you prefer? IGES (Wireframe or Solid?), or
>> STEP (Wireframe or Solid?)?
>>
>
>
> All of the above?  If its just a matter of selecting an export format.

i'll second that - the more the better

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Re: Using gmane with openmoko mailing lists + thunderbird

2008-06-20 Thread christooss 
Ben Burdette pravi:
> I found that you can 'subscribe' to mailing lists as newsgroups with 
> this news.gmane.org list-to-nntp server.  I was able to subscribe to and 
> then download all the headers for the 12 or two openmoko mailing lists, 
> in just a few minutes.  Pretty cool.  This is using the Thunderbird news 
> client. 
>
>   
OK thanks for the info about gmane I didn't know about this option. This 
has made reading openmoko mails readable.

Tnx

> I can't seem to figure out how to reply to messages using this interface 
> though.  I was able to do it to the gmane.test 'newsgroup' (list?).  
> However, it doesn't really work for the openmoko lists.  Anyone had 
> success with this?
>
> Ben
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Re: Convert Freerunner CAD Files - IGES or STEP?

2008-06-20 Thread Jeremiah Flerchinger 
On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 22:33 +0100, Andy Selby wrote:
> > I have access to Pro/E and am willing to convert the Wildfire 3 files into
> > something else. What do you prefer? IGES (Wireframe or Solid?), or STEP
> > (Wireframe or Solid?)?
> 
> .DXF would be nice

If you have the files as IGES or STEP you should be able to convert them
to DXF yourself.

I'd like to see both IGES and STEP conversions.  Solids would likely be
better than wireframe, but I think people would have to try and open
them in their respective CAD apps to see what works well.


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Ordering Free-for-all?

2008-06-20 Thread John Gorkos 
I'm a little curious about how the ordering process is going to work, come the 
first week of July (fingers crossed) when the Freerunner GTA02 hits the 
distro centers in the US and Europe.
  Is this going to be like buying Hannah Montanna tickets, where the entire 
supply evaporates within the first two minutes of the site coming on-line?  
Is there any kind of pre-ordering list that people who have been lurking 
around the mailing list since last June can get on, to avoid the throngs that 
will suddenly be interested as soon as Slashdot announces the Freerunner is 
available for mass-purchase?  Just how many of the little beasties are 
actually going to be available in the fist shipment from China?
  I'm all for free-markets, but I've also deferred presents for two fathers 
days, a birthday, and Christmas  waiting for the GTA02, and I'd hate to get 
trampled in the mad rush on "opening day" and wind up having to wait for 
shipment two, or three from China.

-jmg

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Re: Convert Freerunner CAD Files - IGES or STEP?

2008-06-20 Thread Jeremiah Flerchinger 
On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 16:49 -0700, Mike Montour wrote:
> I don't have any need for the CAD files myself, but yesterday someone on 
> IRC was looking for an open-source program that could view them. Blender 
> apparently has the ability to import .slp files from Pro/E, so it might 
> be nice to have that in addition to IGES or STEP.

Blender is more of an artistic program than a CAD program.  I would
suggest looking at Salome (OpenCascade), gCAD3D, MEDUSA, or possibly
BRL-CAD.  All of those are free (although some require registration) and
should be able to perform conversions to files Blender can read as well.


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warranty for 10 pack purchases

2008-06-20 Thread Robin Paulson 
i've seen this question come up a couple of times on the list, but
it's not been answered fully:

if we buy a 10-pack of freerunners, i assume they will come with a
warranty. how do we as individuals deal with warranty returns? will
there be 10 receipts in the box, or one?

having one makes things very difficult - it means whoever has the
receipt then has to pass it on to anyone who has a problem with their
phone. and i'm sure the organiser of each group purchase doesn't want
to be held liable just because his name's on the delivery slip

or will openmoko keep a record of serial numbers and purchase dates,
so receipts aren't necessary to confirm when they were bought?

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Re: Enough already (too many posts about forum vs. mail lists)

2008-06-20 Thread Lally Singh 
Of course, this is really just us all being really bored and anxious
as the phone's already hit production, yet continues to be
unorderable.

Can we prepay to reserve specific serial #s of phones?  That would be
fun.  It'd keep us busy.

Dibs on #42. Or #[0-9]*0*42 as they aren't likely to start at exactly 0 or 1.

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Ron K. Jeffries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> People,
>
> It's time to end the infinite string of emails about
> using a forum vs not using one. NOW!
>
> For $diety's sake, don't those interested in the world's
> first completely open mobile phone/portable computer
> have something of substance to chat about?
>
> How about discussing the mechanics and schedule for
> getting OpenMoko so-called "ASU"
> to released, stable software?
>
> enough already.
>
> [smile]
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Re: warranty for 10 pack purchases

2008-06-20 Thread Vinc Duran 
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i've seen this question come up a couple of times on the list, but
> it's not been answered fully:
>
> if we buy a 10-pack of freerunners, i assume they will come with a
> warranty. how do we as individuals deal with warranty returns? will
> there be 10 receipts in the box, or one?
>
> having one makes things very difficult - it means whoever has the
> receipt then has to pass it on to anyone who has a problem with their
> phone. and i'm sure the organiser of each group purchase doesn't want
> to be held liable just because his name's on the delivery slip
>
> or will openmoko keep a record of serial numbers and purchase dates,
> so receipts aren't necessary to confirm when they were bought?
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And is the warranty really only 28 days as in this faq?
http://gettingstartedopenmoko.wordpress.com/2007/12/31/faq-frequently-asked-questions/

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