Re: How to see how full my battery is?

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 18:20 +0300, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
|> Hi,
|>
|> kazaam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
|>> There's some symbol in the try looking a bit like a black battery
|>> with a lightning symbol in it. Is this meaning it's loading? And
|>> where do I see how full it is? I tried acpi -v in the terminal but
|>> it seems openmoko is running without acpi.
|> Try "apm" to see current charge and "cat
|> /sys/devices/platform/bq2700-battery.0/power_supply/bat/current_now"
|> to see power consumption.
|>
| What units is this in? - I get a slightly varying "505500"

uA... that's a lot of power you're sucking there?  Normally Freerunner
is around 190mA with backlight on full or 90mA idle with backlight down.

Negative numbers from that is charging current again in uA.

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Re: FSO ringtone

[Matt Joyce]

I don't mean to be overly critical, the process you've described is
trivial enough, and thank you for sharing, but why is is designed like
this?
Surely if the exact same steps are performed before building the
software, it will be much easier for many more people.
It just seem insane to be hardcoding references to sound files for
functions that people will habitually want to change.
Ring tone is probably the first item of customisation a new user will
want to change, and they will expect it to be intuitive.

On another note, the rule.yaml file looks intresting, where can I find
out more about that ?

Matt


On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Guillaume Chereau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just for your information, with the new events system, it will soon be
> different. You will have to edit the rule.yaml file. It looks like this
> now :
>
> -
># This rule will play a ring tone when a call is incoming
>trigger: CallStatus()
>filters: HasAttr(status, "incoming")
>actions:
>- PlaySound("/usr/share/sounds/Arkanoid_PSID.sid")
>- StartVibration()
> -
># This one will stop the ring tone when the call is in an other state
>trigger: CallStatus()
>filters: Not(HasAttr(status, "incoming"))
>actions:
>- StopSound("/usr/share/sounds/Arkanoid_PSID.sid")
>- StopVibration()
>
> So you will need to replace the path to the path you want.
> Still not as good as a real user interface, but better than being
> hard-coded in the framework code.
>
> Charlie
>
> On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 01:53 +0200, Francesco Cat wrote:
>> add this on the wiki :D it seems nice and should be automated in a
>> really simple way! :)
>>
>> 2008/8/7 Angus Ainslie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:40 PM, simarillion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Wednesday 06 August 2008 20:20:29 Angus Ainslie wrote:
>> >> > Where is the FSO ring tone saved ?
>> >> >
>> >> > Angus
>> >>
>> >> I think it's /usr/share/sounds/
>> >> But I'm not sure.
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks ,
>> >
>> > Thats exactly where it is.
>> >
>> > /usr/share/sounds/Arkanoid_PSID.sid
>> >
>> > Now to change it is a little bit of fun.
>> >
>> > first in
>> >
>> > /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/oeventd/receiver.py
>> >
>> > Change the line that reads:
>> >
>> > decoder = gst.element_factory_make( "siddec", "decoder" )
>> >
>> > to
>> >
>> > decoder = gst.element_factory_make( "mad", "decoder" )
>> >
>> >
>> > and change the line that reads:
>> >
>> > filesrc.set_property( "location", "/usr/share/sounds/Arkanoid_PSID.sid" )
>> >
>> > to
>> >
>> > filesrc.set_property( "location", "/usr/share/sounds/ringtone" )
>> >
>> > Then
>> >
>> > mv
>> > /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/oeventd/receiver.pyo
>> > /home/root
>> >
>> > then reboot the phone ( I'm sure there's a better way to regenerate
>> > receiver.pyo but I don't know it )
>> >
>> > Now you can link /usr/share/sounds/ringtone to any mp3 and that will be 
>> > your
>> > ringtone
>> >
>> > Angus
>> >

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source code for openembedded-common?

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

[Cc to community@lists.openmoko.org just for the record.]

Hi,

http://shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/openmoko-free-your-phone.pdf

recommends the use of

http://oss.leggewie.org/oe/deb/openembedded-common_0.2-3_all.deb

but it fails here as documented in

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/025360.html

I would like to modify the package to fix this issue so I need the
sources. I have tried to contact the author of the presentation but
haven't got any reply. Since you were marked as Maintainer of the
package I thought you might have the sources too?

best regards,
Timo Lindfors

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Blog buttons for Freerunner users/ developers

[rakshat hooja]

I was wondering (actually someone asked me about it) if there are blog
buttons or small banners that link back to the openmoko website available
for people to put on their blogs/ websites (if they are not there, can
someone good in graphics from the community make them with openmoko's
permission - I believe the logos are available).

I was thinking of something very simple-

logo+ Openmoko+ tag line (Open. Mobile. Free?) - like on the right hand
corner of openmoko.com

logo+ I develop for the Openmoko Freerunner

logo+ I use the Openmoko Freerunner

logo+ I support Openmoko+ tag line

Rakshat

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Re: 2.5mm neo to 3.5mm stereo adaptor

[Wolfgang Silbermayr]

Wolfgang Silbermayr wrote:
[...]
> and enter the product
> number 302176 - 62 in the form on the right.

Should mean on the left, actually. It's still too early in the morning.

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Re: 2.5mm neo to 3.5mm stereo adaptor

[Wolfgang Silbermayr]

Marcel wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> I'm desperately looking for a (cheap?) 2.5mm to 3.5mm adaptor to use my 
> normal 
> headset with the neo. Does anyone preferably from Europe already have such a 
> thing and can confirm it works properly (both stereo channels where they 
> ought to be)?

I have not tried that one yet, but you can take a look at
http://www.conrad.de/ or http://www.conrad.at/ and enter the product
number 302176 - 62 in the form on the right. I don't know to which
countries conrad delivers, and what the conditions are.

Wolfgang.

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Re: GPRS for FSO Milestone 2

[Michael Shiloh]

C R McClenaghan wrote:
> I've been able to hack together the necessary ppp scripts to get GPRS 
> working on FSO Milestone 2 release. This is for a Freerunner, if it matters.
> 

> 
> I'll post something to the wiki if there's sufficient interest.
> 
> Chris

To make a typical British understatement, "Heck yeah!".

Getting GPRS working has been incredibly difficult. Please post your 
recipes on the wiki in the appropriate place.

If there already exists one set please add yours as an alternative - 
this is one case where duplication is good because each carrier seems to 
be a little different.

Thanks much,
Michael

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Re: Freerunner-powered bike ride

[Michael Shiloh]

Please someone create a wiki page for Freerunner biking enthusiasts. 
There seem to be quite a few of you and it would be great to consolidate 
all this information in one place.

I don't bike much. My motive is to have a great example to show when I 
am asked what community members are doing with the Freerunner.

Michael

atweb wrote:
>   Hi,
> 
> Yesterday, I bought a Solar-Charger from "Ansmann".
> Later this week, I will test it (We have until Monday a Town-Party).
> 
> cu
> Markus
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Brad Midgley schrieb:
>> Hey
>>
>>   
 The next step would be a dynamo-powered charger for the Freerunner. I
 read an article in the german computer magazine ct [2] about creating a
 converter for charging USB devices while riding your bike with a
 hub-dynamo.
   
>> I like the idea of a hub dynamo or using induction like the reelight.
>> I don't like the idea of a separate dynamo that has to make physical
>> contact with the wheel. It would probably generate more energy in the
>> form of heat than electricity :)
>>
>>   
> 
> 
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RE: What's up with Openmoko store?

[steve]

Sorry I'm at Linux world, I'll met with Sean in Friday and discuss.  

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Subject: RE: What's up with Openmoko store?

Did you have any (aprox.) schedule of factory shippments, I'm specially
inerested on the next to you have just announce 900 batch.
Regards
El lun, 04-08-2008 a las 14:33 -0700, steve escribió:
> The next batch of 900 phones is ready to leave the factory. We fulfill 
> our disty before we fill our own store.
> The 850 phones are proceeding down the line. 
>  
> Check the distributors in your area. 
>  
> Steve
> 
> 
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> Cuendet
> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 1:44 PM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: What's up with Openmoko store?
> 
> 
> 
> Hi everyone,
> On the store:
>http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner
> The next batch is still scheduled for July 25th...
> What's up?
> 
> Have anyone more informations on when devices will be available?
> Would be very nice if there was just a page saying what's the status 
> and when approximately devices will be available again.
> 
> Thanks.
> -jec
> 
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Re: FSO ringtone

[Guillaume Chereau]

Just for your information, with the new events system, it will soon be
different. You will have to edit the rule.yaml file. It looks like this
now :

-
# This rule will play a ring tone when a call is incoming
trigger: CallStatus()
filters: HasAttr(status, "incoming")
actions:
- PlaySound("/usr/share/sounds/Arkanoid_PSID.sid")
- StartVibration()
-
# This one will stop the ring tone when the call is in an other state
trigger: CallStatus()
filters: Not(HasAttr(status, "incoming"))
actions:
- StopSound("/usr/share/sounds/Arkanoid_PSID.sid")
- StopVibration()

So you will need to replace the path to the path you want.
Still not as good as a real user interface, but better than being
hard-coded in the framework code.

Charlie

On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 01:53 +0200, Francesco Cat wrote:
> add this on the wiki :D it seems nice and should be automated in a
> really simple way! :)
> 
> 2008/8/7 Angus Ainslie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:40 PM, simarillion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wednesday 06 August 2008 20:20:29 Angus Ainslie wrote:
> >> > Where is the FSO ring tone saved ?
> >> >
> >> > Angus
> >>
> >> I think it's /usr/share/sounds/
> >> But I'm not sure.
> >
> >
> > Thanks ,
> >
> > Thats exactly where it is.
> >
> > /usr/share/sounds/Arkanoid_PSID.sid
> >
> > Now to change it is a little bit of fun.
> >
> > first in
> >
> > /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/oeventd/receiver.py
> >
> > Change the line that reads:
> >
> > decoder = gst.element_factory_make( "siddec", "decoder" )
> >
> > to
> >
> > decoder = gst.element_factory_make( "mad", "decoder" )
> >
> >
> > and change the line that reads:
> >
> > filesrc.set_property( "location", "/usr/share/sounds/Arkanoid_PSID.sid" )
> >
> > to
> >
> > filesrc.set_property( "location", "/usr/share/sounds/ringtone" )
> >
> > Then
> >
> > mv
> > /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/oeventd/receiver.pyo
> > /home/root
> >
> > then reboot the phone ( I'm sure there's a better way to regenerate
> > receiver.pyo but I don't know it )
> >
> > Now you can link /usr/share/sounds/ringtone to any mp3 and that will be your
> > ringtone
> >
> > Angus
> >
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Re: How to see how full my battery is?

[W.Kenworthy]

On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 18:20 +0300, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> kazaam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > There's some symbol in the try looking a bit like a black battery
> > with a lightning symbol in it. Is this meaning it's loading? And
> > where do I see how full it is? I tried acpi -v in the terminal but
> > it seems openmoko is running without acpi.
> 
> Try "apm" to see current charge and "cat
> /sys/devices/platform/bq2700-battery.0/power_supply/bat/current_now"
> to see power consumption.
> 
What units is this in? - I get a slightly varying "505500"

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Re: receiving SMS messages

[Robert William Hutton]

Dan Weatherill wrote:
> If the phone is in standby, and I receive a text message, the phone 
> wakes up but does not receive a text message. The person sending the 
> message does, however, receive a delivery report. This occurs in both 
> images as well.
> 
> If I then subsequently receive a message after the others, whilst the 
> phone is out of standby, I receive all the messages together. Hence, no 
> messages are "lost" in the ether, but it seems that messages received 
> whilst the phone is on standby are temporarily mislaid.

This could be a possible explanation of what's going on:

1. The network attempts to send an SMS to your phone.
2. The GSM chip receives notification from the network that there's an SMS.
3. The GSM chip says to the network: wait, I'm temporarily unable to 
receive (as the phone's asleep) and wakes up the system.
4. The system comes up and waits.
5. In the meantime the network has accepted that the SMS can't be sent, 
and puts it into some kind of wait queue.

It's up to the network what kind of exponential backoff algorithm they 
use to decide when to resend.  If the phone goes back to sleep before 
the network attempts a resend, then the same events will occur at some 
later time and the SMS will end up going back into the queue.  Again and 
again.

On the Optus network, and from my experience with my old phone whose 
inbox filled up all the time, the time between retries can become long 
quite fast.  When a subsequent SMS is sent, this always flushes the 
retry queue as well, which is why you receive several messages at a time.

Cheers,

Rob.

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Re: Yummy new CPU/GPU combo

[Shawn Rutledge]

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Ken Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Please, please, please, please, please don't drop to a QVGA LCD on
> future OM phones.   The beautiful full VGA screens on the neo and
> Freerunner are just about the only piece of hardware they have which
> is better than what you find on a typical smart phone.

I agree, it's one of the main reasons I was interested.

480x800 is also a good idea if the displays become available in small
quantities.

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Re: Yummy new CPU/GPU combo

[The Rasterman]

On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:40:24 +0200 Holger Freyther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:

> On Sunday 08 June 2008 02:28:42 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> > On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 12:19:08 -0700 Dave O'Connor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > babbled:
> > > Just out of interest, why don't other countries get access to these
> > > components sooner? Why do Japanese consumers get them first? Do they pay
> > > significantly more than the rest on phones so they're a better market
> > > for manufacturers or could openmoko steal a lead here in the rest of the
> > > world?
> > >
> > > Might it be an idea to appeal to these component manufacturers
> > > competitive sides and say "if you give us the specs to write open
> > > drivers we can give you sales in the rest of the world"?
> >
> > japanese phones are all about tech specs - and that's it. well that and
> > looking sexy (nice design/cases). usability is pretty poor. their software
> > and ui's are atrocious mostly. but that doesn't matter because they can do
> > the "i'm cooler than you. my phone has more pixels!" (irrespective if they
> > can even use more than 10% of the features of the phone, nor see the pixels
> > they have so many of...) :)
> 
> Hehe, I was surprised that they could market products because they use one 
> sort of freescale's arm cores... funny people.

it's japan. it's that part of the world where you say "i was surprised" ... a
lot when you visit and come back... :)

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RE: Can't Call or Receive Calls FSO

[Blake Haggerty]

Just a side note After fiddling with the sim card repeatedly it now says G2 
above the battery bar rather than G1...

 

 







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Sent: Aug 6, 2008 03:38:58 PM
Subject: Can't Call or Receive Calls FSO



Hello,

 

I just switched from 2007.2 to FSO. Now when FSO starts and I goto Zhone I see: 
a b G1 w s above the battery bar. But the other bar that I believe is  supposed 
to show the equivalent of my "bars" is blank and it doesnt say my network 
either. it just says "zhone!" My sim card is a AT&T  3021 blazing 3g it worked 
fine in 2007.2. 

 

Any suggestions? am I forgetting to do something?

 

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Sales?

[Tim Dobson]

I have heard from two sources now[1][2] that the demand for Freerunner's
has been "above and beyond everyone's expectations".

Does anyone have any data they can release as to roughly how many are
thought to have been sold so far?

Keep up the good stuff everyone!


Tim

[1] https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=Openmoko
[2] my friend in the states has apparently been talking to an someone in
the know.

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Re: FSO ringtone

[Francesco Cat]

add this on the wiki :D it seems nice and should be automated in a
really simple way! :)

2008/8/7 Angus Ainslie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:40 PM, simarillion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> On Wednesday 06 August 2008 20:20:29 Angus Ainslie wrote:
>> > Where is the FSO ring tone saved ?
>> >
>> > Angus
>>
>> I think it's /usr/share/sounds/
>> But I'm not sure.
>
>
> Thanks ,
>
> Thats exactly where it is.
>
> /usr/share/sounds/Arkanoid_PSID.sid
>
> Now to change it is a little bit of fun.
>
> first in
>
> /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/oeventd/receiver.py
>
> Change the line that reads:
>
> decoder = gst.element_factory_make( "siddec", "decoder" )
>
> to
>
> decoder = gst.element_factory_make( "mad", "decoder" )
>
>
> and change the line that reads:
>
> filesrc.set_property( "location", "/usr/share/sounds/Arkanoid_PSID.sid" )
>
> to
>
> filesrc.set_property( "location", "/usr/share/sounds/ringtone" )
>
> Then
>
> mv
> /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/oeventd/receiver.pyo
> /home/root
>
> then reboot the phone ( I'm sure there's a better way to regenerate
> receiver.pyo but I don't know it )
>
> Now you can link /usr/share/sounds/ringtone to any mp3 and that will be your
> ringtone
>
> Angus
>
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Re: FSO ringtone

[Angus Ainslie]

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:40 PM, simarillion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wednesday 06 August 2008 20:20:29 Angus Ainslie wrote:
> > Where is the FSO ring tone saved ?
> >
> > Angus
>
> I think it's /usr/share/sounds/
> But I'm not sure.
>

Thanks ,

Thats exactly where it is.

/usr/share/sounds/Arkanoid_PSID.sid

Now to change it is a little bit of fun.

first in

/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/oeventd/receiver.py

Change the line that reads:

decoder = gst.element_factory_make( "siddec", "decoder" )

to

decoder = gst.element_factory_make( "mad", "decoder" )


and change the line that reads:

filesrc.set_property( "location", "/usr/share/sounds/Arkanoid_PSID.sid" )

to

filesrc.set_property( "location", "/usr/share/sounds/ringtone" )

Then

mv
/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/oeventd/receiver.pyo
/home/root

then reboot the phone ( I'm sure there's a better way to regenerate
receiver.pyo but I don't know it )

Now you can link /usr/share/sounds/ringtone to any mp3 and that will be your
ringtone

Angus
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RE: 2.5mm neo to 3.5mm stereo adaptor

[Blake Haggerty]

I dont know if they have radio shacks in Europe but I just bought some generic 
thing from radio shack and it works great.

 

 

 

 







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From:Marcel [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" ;
Sent: Aug 6, 2008 04:20:46 PM
Subject: 2.5mm neo to 3.5mm stereo adaptor

Hey, 

I'm desperately looking for a (cheap?) 2.5mm to 3.5mm adaptor to use my normal 
headset with the neo. Does anyone preferably from Europe already have such a 
thing and can confirm it works properly (both stereo channels where they 
ought to be)? 

[On irc I was suggested to have a look at pinouts.ru, but they only seem to 
have the pins for the proprietary connectors, not for (eventually) existing 
2.5mm ones.] 

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2.5mm neo to 3.5mm stereo adaptor

[Marcel]

Hey,

I'm desperately looking for a (cheap?) 2.5mm to 3.5mm adaptor to use my normal 
headset with the neo. Does anyone preferably from Europe already have such a 
thing and can confirm it works properly (both stereo channels where they 
ought to be)?

[On irc I was suggested to have a look at pinouts.ru, but they only seem to 
have the pins for the proprietary connectors, not for (eventually) existing 
2.5mm ones.]

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Re: alarm clock for 2007.2?

[Maciej Piechotka]

Dirk Bergstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> 
> At Tue, 05 Aug 2008 09:39:31 +0800,"W.Kenworthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Is there an alarm clock pkg for 2007.2?  Something that plays a sound at
> > a particular time off the calendar?
> > I even tried to search the repo for cron and at without luck - so I
> > suppose these are manual build/installs?
> 
> As I understand it, there is not yet a cron or the moral equivalent.
> It's not a simple port, as you have to be able to wake the phone from
> suspend, etc.
> 
> I'm hoping that someone who understands the low-level issues will
> decide to dive into this, because I have a number of ideas that
> require something like cron.  Perhaps this will be part of FSO?  Arne
> brought it up on the list about six weeks ago, and there was no real
> answer then.
> 

I'm planning to write a wake-up daemon (i.e. daemon who recive a lists of times
from applications and set-up properly RTC). However as I would like to make it 
for both 2007.02 and FSO I asked is there any FSO spec about it. I'll probably
do it in the near future.

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Can't Call or Receive Calls FSO

[Blake Haggerty]

Hello,

 

I just switched from 2007.2 to FSO. Now when FSO starts and I goto Zhone I see: 
a b G1 w s above the battery bar. But the other bar that I believe is  supposed 
to show the equivalent of my "bars" is blank and it doesnt say my network 
either. it just says "zhone!" My sim card is a AT&T  3021 blazing 3g it worked 
fine in 2007.2. 

 

Any suggestions? am I forgetting to do something?

 

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Re: FSO ringtone

[simarillion]

On Wednesday 06 August 2008 20:20:29 Angus Ainslie wrote:
> Where is the FSO ring tone saved ?
>
> Angus

I think it's /usr/share/sounds/
But I'm not sure.

Greets Michael

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Re: Pin entry in 2008.08

[Sven Klomp]

On Wednesday 06 August 2008 21:55:40 Florian Hackenberger wrote:
> OM 2008.08 (ASU) is scheduled to be released in two days. I tried the
> lates images from the buildhost and the PIN entry dialogue does not
> work at all. I'm using a SIM card which is known to work with the
> Freerunner. The PIN entry dialogue is displayed, I can enter the pin
> using the keyboard (switching to 'Numbers') and then hit Enter, but
> nothing happens. Has someone had success with a recent ASU image and
> the PIN entry?

I had the same problem. After I hit Enter, the Keyboard disappears but nothing 
happend. I clicked a second time in the Pin field and after clicking Enter a 
second time it worked...

Sven


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Re: Yummy new CPU/GPU combo

[Holger Freyther]

On Sunday 08 June 2008 02:28:42 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 12:19:08 -0700 Dave O'Connor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> > Just out of interest, why don't other countries get access to these
> > components sooner? Why do Japanese consumers get them first? Do they pay
> > significantly more than the rest on phones so they're a better market
> > for manufacturers or could openmoko steal a lead here in the rest of the
> > world?
> >
> > Might it be an idea to appeal to these component manufacturers
> > competitive sides and say "if you give us the specs to write open
> > drivers we can give you sales in the rest of the world"?
>
> japanese phones are all about tech specs - and that's it. well that and
> looking sexy (nice design/cases). usability is pretty poor. their software
> and ui's are atrocious mostly. but that doesn't matter because they can do
> the "i'm cooler than you. my phone has more pixels!" (irrespective if they
> can even use more than 10% of the features of the phone, nor see the pixels
> they have so many of...) :)

Hehe, I was surprised that they could market products because they use one 
sort of freescale's arm cores... funny people.

z.

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Re: Ubuntu on Freerunner

[Michele Renda]

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It will be nice if in a future the Software and the Hardware will be
produced by different firms, like now it happen with Pc!

So OM can think only to give us a good and open hardware, while another
firm (Canonical? Trolltech?) can give us some good software stacks!

Charles Pax wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Risto H. Kurppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> 
> Has anyone tried the Ubuntu MID edition:
> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile
> 
> or 'Hasty Hippogriff':
> http://mojo.handhelds.org/
> 
> Is there an easy way to try these on Freerunner?
> 
> 
> It looks like the Hasty Hoppogriff runs on ARMv5EL (I don't know what EL
> means) while the Freerunner is ARM4 (I'm pretty sure). The distributions
> page (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions) indicates that Debian
> can run on the Freerunner, so Ubuntu on the Freerunner should be
> possible, though I think it's non-trivial to do. It would be nice if in
> the coming years we see Openmoko hardware platforms that can run Ubuntu
> and other distros right out of the box.
> 
> -Charles
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> 
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Re: Ubuntu on Freerunner

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| means) while the Freerunner is ARM4 (I'm pretty sure). The distributions
| page (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions) indicates that Debian
| can run on the Freerunner, so Ubuntu on the Freerunner should be

You can get an image now without having to go through the steps, if you
have >= 1GB SD Card.  Whoever made it (props to them) says they'll have
a 512MB one soon that will be even better.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian

Boot is a bit slow into runlevel 3 but it's really pretty nice in there
if you're not needing Freerunner to be a phone at that time.  SD Card
boot means you can just boot normally back into the stock OS easily.

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Re: Ubuntu on Freerunner

[Charles Pax]

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Risto H. Kurppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Has anyone tried the Ubuntu MID edition:
> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile
>
> or 'Hasty Hippogriff':
> http://mojo.handhelds.org/
>
> Is there an easy way to try these on Freerunner?
>

It looks like the Hasty Hoppogriff runs on ARMv5EL (I don't know what EL
means) while the Freerunner is ARM4 (I'm pretty sure). The distributions
page (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions) indicates that Debian can
run on the Freerunner, so Ubuntu on the Freerunner should be possible,
though I think it's non-trivial to do. It would be nice if in the coming
years we see Openmoko hardware platforms that can run Ubuntu and other
distros right out of the box.

-Charles
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Re: Testing for audio playback

[Dylan Reilly]

Here is my solution:

I have modified neod executables here
http://atariland.net/~dreilly/openmoko/neod/neod.tar.gz (source
http://atariland.net/~dreilly/openmoko/neod/neod-src.tar.gz) to call
out to a series of scripts
(http://atariland.net/~dreilly/openmoko/neod/neod-conf.tar.gz) before
and after every power management state (dim, blank, suspend). If the
preXXX scripts return a non-zero exit code, the power management step
will not be executed. See presuspend for an example.

The included presuspend does the following:
1) Does not suspend when on AC power.
2) Does not suspend when the media player is running.
3) Attempts to not suspend when making a phone call. Note, since I
cannot figure out a good way to check for this, I am looking for
phone-kit to have a certain processor load. This is bad.

Also in this neod one can set the times for each PM state via gconf:
/desktop/openmoko/neod/dim_time
/desktop/openmoko/neod/blank_time
/desktop/openmoko/neod/suspend_time

I am going on vacation in...2 minutes, so if you try it, beware. And,
with ASU release looming this is probably mostly for naught. Have fun.

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 6:17 AM, Clemens Kirchgatterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dale Maggee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Sorry but I can't help, but I just wanted to say good luck with this,
>> please keep us posted - I also find this annoying and I'd love to see
>> it fixed! :)
>
> AFAIK, alsa has a plugin interface. we could install one, that
> periodically snoops into the stream and reports silence/noise via dbus.
>
> just my 2 cents ...
> clemens
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Re: Ubuntu on Freerunner

[arne anka]

> Has anyone tried the Ubuntu MID edition:
> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile

it's for intels atm platform.

> or 'Hasty Hippogriff':
> http://mojo.handhelds.org/

only armv5 onward. freerunner is armv4.

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Pin entry in 2008.08

[Florian Hackenberger]

Hi!

OM 2008.08 (ASU) is scheduled to be released in two days. I tried the 
lates images from the buildhost and the PIN entry dialogue does not 
work at all. I'm using a SIM card which is known to work with the 
Freerunner. The PIN entry dialogue is displayed, I can enter the pin 
using the keyboard (switching to 'Numbers') and then hit Enter, but 
nothing happens. Has someone had success with a recent ASU image and 
the PIN entry?

Cheers,
Florian

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Re: FSO email/ical clients?

[Greg Bonett]

Thanks, the packaged installed without problems.  I had been trying to
compile it on the phone but wasn't having any luck.  This looks like its
going to work.  Pretty fast too.
> The claws-email package works for IMAP...
>
> http://www.ginguppin.de/node/17
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Greg Bonett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 2:34:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: FSO email/ical clients?
>
> has anyone been able to get  a IMAP client or iCal client running on FSO?
>
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Ubuntu on Freerunner

[Risto H. Kurppa]

Has anyone tried the Ubuntu MID edition:
http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile

or 'Hasty Hippogriff':
http://mojo.handhelds.org/

Is there an easy way to try these on Freerunner?


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SOLD. Re: Buy My FreeRunner, GSM 850 for United States.

[Donnie Jones]

Hello,

FreeRunner has been sold, thank you!
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On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Donnie Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have listed the FreeRunner on Ebay for Buy It Now and Auction.  I think
> that is probably the easiest way for all of us.
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260271783637&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1123
>
> Thank you.
> __
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>
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Donnie Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I forgot to mention that I am only looking to break even, not trying to
>> make a profit.  My FreeRunner was purchased for $372; I would like to sell
>> it for the same price.
>>
>> Thank you.
>> __
>>  Donnie
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Donnie Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Due to unexpected circumstances, I would like to sell my just purchased
>>> FreeRunner.  I have the GSM 850 FreeRunner model for use in the United
>>> States.  It is completely new, barely used.  I Just turned it on a couple of
>>> times, made a few phone calls, sent some text sms messages, and charged the
>>> battery.  Still in perfect condition with all original contents included as
>>> described on the openmoko store page: *
>>> http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner*
>>>
>>> Please contact me if you are interested.
>>> I am located in the United States in Kentucky.
>>> Thank you.
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>>>
>>
>>
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Re: Buy My FreeRunner, GSM 850 for United States.

[Donnie Jones]

Hello,

I have listed the FreeRunner on Ebay for Buy It Now and Auction.  I think
that is probably the easiest way for all of us.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260271783637&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1123

Thank you.
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On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Donnie Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I forgot to mention that I am only looking to break even, not trying to
> make a profit.  My FreeRunner was purchased for $372; I would like to sell
> it for the same price.
>
> Thank you.
> __
> Donnie
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Donnie Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Due to unexpected circumstances, I would like to sell my just purchased
>> FreeRunner.  I have the GSM 850 FreeRunner model for use in the United
>> States.  It is completely new, barely used.  I Just turned it on a couple of
>> times, made a few phone calls, sent some text sms messages, and charged the
>> battery.  Still in perfect condition with all original contents included as
>> described on the openmoko store page: *
>> http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner*
>>
>> Please contact me if you are interested.
>> I am located in the United States in Kentucky.
>> Thank you.
>> __
>> Donnie Jones
>>
>
>
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Re: FSO email/ical clients?

[xaos x]

The claws-email package works for IMAP...

http://www.ginguppin.de/node/17


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has anyone been able to get  a IMAP client or iCal client running on FSO?


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Re: How to see how full my battery is?

[Steven **]

The last few percent always take longer to charge than the first 80.
This is true of every battery I'm familiar with.

The other thing to keep in mind is, how is it estimating that hour?
I'm sure it's basing it on the current charge rate, which is going to
be lower if you're at the terminal on the Neo typing in "apm" (because
the screen is at full brightness drawing more power).

-Steven

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Benedikt Schindler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Brian Wilson schrieb:
>>
>> I guess what I am saying is that I'd like to know what the sysfs
>> numbers mean  -- why did ASU think the battery was dead when the sysfs
>> said "91"?  I will try cat /proc/apm tonight but knowing how to
>> interpret it would be good too
> when i type "apm -v" i get a realy clear and readable answer.
>
> --> charging 91% (1:04:12)
>
> btw: it's charging over usb, so don't wonder why it needs 1 hour for 9%
>
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FSO email/ical clients?

[Greg Bonett]

has anyone been able to get  a IMAP client or iCal client running on FSO?


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FSO ringtone

[Angus Ainslie]

Where is the FSO ring tone saved ?

Angus
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Re: FSO adding packages

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| On Wednesday 06 August 2008, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
|> No need. The framework takes care about enabling it when the first app
|> starts to use it and turns it off when the last app stops using it.
|
| This is nice!
| But I am not getting a fix, tangoGPS is just dead. Valério asked the
question
| if the current kernel has the GPS/SD card fix. Could it really be the
case
| that the kernel is without it?
| It certainly looks like it.

"Current", ie, today and last week or so kernels have the SD card
workarounds in place, the problem is likely something else.

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Re: FR at golem.de

[Michele Renda]

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Juergen Schinker wrote:
> his Graphics chip-set can do 3D Acceleration  AFAIK


Yes, but you can use it only if you promise that you will not show to
others how to use it (NDA)!

So, for me is like it doesn't exist!
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Re: Making a clean and easy viewable overview page in the wiki

[Steven **]

I would politely suggest you join the documentation mailing list and
discuss it there.  :-)

-Steven

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Rorschach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> I started today an overview page in the wiki: 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Overview . It's supposed to be clean and easy 
> viewable so everyone can fast find the information he's looking for. I have 
> my freerunner just since this morning so I haven't done much in the wiki 
> until now but I'm wiki-moderator on wiki.ubuntuusers.de the biggest german 
> wiki about ubuntu and I would like to contribute my experience with wikis on 
> openmoko.
>
> Any help, suggestions and additions are pretty welcome!
>
> ciao
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Re: Making a clean and easy viewable overview page in the wiki

[Yogiz]

On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:26:53 +0200
Rorschach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> I started today an overview page in the wiki:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Overview . It's supposed to be clean
> and easy viewable so everyone can fast find the information he's
> looking for. I have my freerunner just since this morning so I
> haven't done much in the wiki until now but I'm wiki-moderator on
> wiki.ubuntuusers.de the biggest german wiki about ubuntu and I would
> like to contribute my experience with wikis on openmoko.
> 
> Any help, suggestions and additions are pretty welcome!
> 
> ciao

I wonder why this information can't be on the main page? That's where
I'd look first for such info. Why a separate page?

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Re: FSO adding packages

[Eildert Groeneveld]

On Wednesday 06 August 2008, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
> No need. The framework takes care about enabling it when the first app
> starts to use it and turns it off when the last app stops using it.

This is nice!
But I am not getting a fix, tangoGPS is just dead. Valério asked the question 
if the current kernel has the GPS/SD card fix. Could it really be the case 
that the kernel is without it?
It certainly looks like it.

Eildert

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Re: How to see how full my battery is?

[Benedikt Schindler]

Brian Wilson schrieb:
>
> I guess what I am saying is that I'd like to know what the sysfs
> numbers mean  -- why did ASU think the battery was dead when the sysfs
> said "91"?  I will try cat /proc/apm tonight but knowing how to
> interpret it would be good too
when i type "apm -v" i get a realy clear and readable answer.

--> charging 91% (1:04:12)

btw: it's charging over usb, so don't wonder why it needs 1 hour for 9%


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Re: How to see how full my battery is?

[Brian Wilson]

Yesterday when I was running ASU and had had the FR plugged in
overnight to its charger I looked at its screen and there was a popup
window was saying "your battery is really low, better recharge it
soon" (I paraphrase). I figured it was wrong. Since I was about to
reflash it with FSO  I checked the sysfs readings and found the entry
that said "this is probably most useful" and it said "91" which I took
to mean 91% so I figured it was okay. Maybe it meant 91% empty? I was
able to put it on USB and reflash without incident.

After putting FSO on it I now see an ambiguous battery picture. It
either shows almost full or almost empty. Then the FR started going to
sleep on me every 30 seconds or so. I would push the power button and
it would wake up again. It did not issue any kind of warning, it would
just fade to black. Eventually it seemed to die. So I plugged it back
in to the official charger and went to bed to recharge my own
batteries. I have not looked at it yet today.

I guess what I am saying is that I'd like to know what the sysfs
numbers mean  -- why did ASU think the battery was dead when the sysfs
said "91"?  I will try cat /proc/apm tonight but knowing how to
interpret it would be good too.

Can't I expect the FR to charge when it's plugged in to its own
charger or is there something else I have to do?

(I like the FSO image a lot more than ASU. But that would be a new topic.)

Brian


On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:23 AM, kazaam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:10:22 -0400
> Joe DiTommasso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> 'cat /proc/apm' in the terminal will show you the current charge level,
>> as well as the time to full charge or full discharge, depending on
>> whether the device is plugged in or not.
>
> This shows me:
>
> # cat /proc/apm
> 1.13 1.2 0x02 0x01 0x03 0x08 -1% -1 ?
>
> -1 % == battery_percentage
> -1 == battery_time
>
> is at least the description from here: 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/3/37/Om-daemons.pdf
>
> But what shall those negative values mean??

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Re: FR at golem.de

[Sander van Grieken]

On Wednesday 06 August 2008 15:19:32 Michele Renda wrote:
>
> I think that before to test something you must to know what are you
> testing. You can not to test a phone and than to say:
>
> Oh... it is stupid, it is not able to prepare me a coffee :)

OM is just not there yet. Be fair, no excuses please :)

*ducks*

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Re: How to see how full my battery is?

[Tobias Kündig]

Have a look at this:
http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=297&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=battery&start=15#p3525
(German Freeyourphone-Forum)

You can download the ipk-Package in this thread. 

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On Wednesday 06 August 2008 17:05:08 kazaam wrote:
> Hi,
> I have a Freerunner and I'm told to fully load it for the first time. But
> where can I check how full my battery is at the time? And where if it is
> loading at all?
>
> There's some symbol in the try looking a bit like a black battery with a
> lightning symbol in it. Is this meaning it's loading? And where do I see
> how full it is? I tried acpi -v in the terminal but it seems openmoko is
> running without acpi.
>
> Any idea would be great!
>
> bye
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Making a clean and easy viewable overview page in the wiki

[Rorschach]

Hi,
I started today an overview page in the wiki: 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Overview . It's supposed to be clean and easy 
viewable so everyone can fast find the information he's looking for. I have my 
freerunner just since this morning so I haven't done much in the wiki until now 
but I'm wiki-moderator on wiki.ubuntuusers.de the biggest german wiki about 
ubuntu and I would like to contribute my experience with wikis on openmoko.

Any help, suggestions and additions are pretty welcome!

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Re: wrong offset of mouse in landscape mode (and scummvm)

[Dale Maggee]

Mike Montour wrote:
> Dale Maggee wrote:
>
>   
>> /bin/sh: /usr/bin/scummvm: not found
>>
>> which is very odd, because I can type "/usr/bin/scum[TAB]", and it 
>> autocompletes to scummvm. the file is marked as executable. I can't see 
>> anything wrong.
>>
>> does anyone have any Ideas?
>> 
>
> For binaries this may indicate an OABI/EABI issue. There are different 
> binary formats for ARM; Openmoko now uses EABI but binaries built for 
> other platforms may be OABI. If you have binutils you can run "readelf 
> -l " and look for the "Requesting program interpreter:" line.
>
> If it's a shell script, then it may be a similar problem with the 
> command interpreter, e.g. if the script's first line is "#!/bin/bash" 
> but you do not have /bin/bash installed.
>
> p.s. I just checked the wiki page that was mentioned up-thread, and it 
> looks like it's pointing to an old package from the "2007.1" days when 
> Openmoko was using OABI binaries. There's a bitbake recipe for scummvm 
> in OE so it should be easy to build an updated package if there's not 
> one already available in the feeds.
>
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installed binutils,  [Requesting program interpreter: /lib/ld-linux.so.2]

/lib/ld-linux.so.2 doesn't exist. tried symlinking it to 
/lib/ld-linux.so.3, but this gave me a pile of other errors about 
missing .so files, so I'd say you're on the right track.

looks like tomorrow's project will be setting up the mokomakefile, and 
trying to compile scummvm.

thanks!




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Re: GPRS internet connection applet

[xaos x]

Google translate works wonders... I got this nice little script working using 
the scaredycat repo for the packages. The script works awesomely for connecting 
and disconnecting. There is just the little issue of the GSM not being able to 
reconnect to the phone network after disconnecting ppp unless you restart X.

-Tom

- Original Message -
From: "Niccolo Rigacci" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 12:48:02 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: GPRS internet connection applet

On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 12:33:32PM -0400, Daniel Benoy wrote:
> How did you get pygtk running?  I have the problem here:
> http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1718

Installing was a little nightmare, because of repositories 
missing packages that were listed, etc.

I had to wipe all the opkg lists, download packages from two 
different repo, and manually install them.

Don't know if I can reproduce the recipe, howerver here I have 
the list of packages and the two repo I used:
http://www.rigacci.org/wiki/doku.php/doc/appunti/hardware/freerunner#connessione_internet_via_gprs
In Italian, sorry, but I think you can manage the list.

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Re: any update on GSM interference issue

[Mike Montour]

arne anka wrote:
>> PLEASE NOTE: I'm going to move this thread to [hardware]-ml and join it  
>> with
>> another thread of same topic from [support], in a few hours.
> 
> then i won't read it anymore -- i am already subscribed to community and  
> support and it's almost more than i can read ...

The hardware list has much less traffic than the community and support ones.

You can also access the list through NNTP (Newsgroups) from 
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.hardware , or read 
the archive at http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/ , if you do 
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Re: Buy My FreeRunner, GSM 850 for United States.

[Federico Lorenzi]

Sorry, meant paypal

On 8/6/08, Federico Lorenzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't suppose you'd take paysal and ship internationally?
>
> On 8/6/08, Donnie Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I forgot to mention that I am only looking to break even, not trying to
>> make
>> a profit.  My FreeRunner was purchased for $372; I would like to sell it
>> for
>> the same price.
>>
>> Thank you.
>> __
>> Donnie
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Donnie Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Due to unexpected circumstances, I would like to sell my just purchased
>>> FreeRunner.  I have the GSM 850 FreeRunner model for use in the United
>>> States.  It is completely new, barely used.  I Just turned it on a couple
>>> of
>>> times, made a few phone calls, sent some text sms messages, and charged
>>> the
>>> battery.  Still in perfect condition with all original contents included
>>> as
>>> described on the openmoko store page: *
>>> http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner*
>>>
>>> Please contact me if you are interested.
>>> I am located in the United States in Kentucky.
>>> Thank you.
>>> __
>>> Donnie Jones
>>>
>>
>
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Re: Buy My FreeRunner, GSM 850 for United States.

[Federico Lorenzi]

I don't suppose you'd take paysal and ship internationally?

On 8/6/08, Donnie Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I forgot to mention that I am only looking to break even, not trying to make
> a profit.  My FreeRunner was purchased for $372; I would like to sell it for
> the same price.
>
> Thank you.
> __
> Donnie
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Donnie Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Due to unexpected circumstances, I would like to sell my just purchased
>> FreeRunner.  I have the GSM 850 FreeRunner model for use in the United
>> States.  It is completely new, barely used.  I Just turned it on a couple
>> of
>> times, made a few phone calls, sent some text sms messages, and charged
>> the
>> battery.  Still in perfect condition with all original contents included
>> as
>> described on the openmoko store page: *
>> http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner*
>>
>> Please contact me if you are interested.
>> I am located in the United States in Kentucky.
>> Thank you.
>> __
>> Donnie Jones
>>
>

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Re: GPRS internet connection applet

[Niccolo Rigacci]

On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 10:36:54AM -0400, xaos x wrote:
> the fact that after you stop the gprs call, you have to restart 
> X to get the gsm modem to register on the phone network again. 
> Any workarounds you know of for this?

It seems the problem is here too. I have a data-only telco plan, 
so I can check only sending SMS.

I can send an SMS and place a ppp call. After this, I cannot send 
SMS again, despite the gsmd is restarted and the operator name is 
reported in the top right of the screen.

No error is reported by the FreeRunner, but SMS is not recevied.

Is there some log/debuggin of gsm and sms operations?

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Re: wrong offset of mouse in landscape mode (and scummvm)

[arne anka]

> /bin/sh: /usr/bin/scummvm: not found

what gives
file /usr/bin/scummvm
ldd /usr/bin/scummvm
ls -alF /usr/bin/scummvm
?

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Re: wrong offset of mouse in landscape mode (and scummvm)

[Mike Montour]

Dale Maggee wrote:

> /bin/sh: /usr/bin/scummvm: not found
> 
> which is very odd, because I can type "/usr/bin/scum[TAB]", and it 
> autocompletes to scummvm. the file is marked as executable. I can't see 
> anything wrong.
> 
> does anyone have any Ideas?

For binaries this may indicate an OABI/EABI issue. There are different 
binary formats for ARM; Openmoko now uses EABI but binaries built for 
other platforms may be OABI. If you have binutils you can run "readelf 
-l " and look for the "Requesting program interpreter:" line.

If it's a shell script, then it may be a similar problem with the 
command interpreter, e.g. if the script's first line is "#!/bin/bash" 
but you do not have /bin/bash installed.

p.s. I just checked the wiki page that was mentioned up-thread, and it 
looks like it's pointing to an old package from the "2007.1" days when 
Openmoko was using OABI binaries. There's a bitbake recipe for scummvm 
in OE so it should be easy to build an updated package if there's not 
one already available in the feeds.


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Re: GPRS internet connection applet

[Niccolo Rigacci]

On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 12:33:32PM -0400, Daniel Benoy wrote:
> How did you get pygtk running?  I have the problem here:
> http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1718

Installing was a little nightmare, because of repositories 
missing packages that were listed, etc.

I had to wipe all the opkg lists, download packages from two 
different repo, and manually install them.

Don't know if I can reproduce the recipe, howerver here I have 
the list of packages and the two repo I used:
http://www.rigacci.org/wiki/doku.php/doc/appunti/hardware/freerunner#connessione_internet_via_gprs
In Italian, sorry, but I think you can manage the list.

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Re: Buy My FreeRunner, GSM 850 for United States.

[Donnie Jones]

Hello,

I forgot to mention that I am only looking to break even, not trying to make
a profit.  My FreeRunner was purchased for $372; I would like to sell it for
the same price.

Thank you.
__
Donnie

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Donnie Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Due to unexpected circumstances, I would like to sell my just purchased
> FreeRunner.  I have the GSM 850 FreeRunner model for use in the United
> States.  It is completely new, barely used.  I Just turned it on a couple of
> times, made a few phone calls, sent some text sms messages, and charged the
> battery.  Still in perfect condition with all original contents included as
> described on the openmoko store page: *
> http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner*
>
> Please contact me if you are interested.
> I am located in the United States in Kentucky.
> Thank you.
> __
> Donnie Jones
>
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Re: FSO adding packages

[Stefan Schmidt]

Hello.

On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 16:48, Eildert Groeneveld wrote:
> On Wednesday 06 August 2008, Valerio Valerio wrote:
> > ps is working in my NEO with the
> > openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080729-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary.
> > I can get a fix in tangoGPS and I also can see some informations in the
> > zhone gps UI.
> 
> did you start something? like the gps daemon or whatever?

No need. The framework takes care about enabling it when the first app starts to
use it and turns it off when the last app stops using it.

regards
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Re: wrong offset of mouse in landscape mode (and scummvm)

[Roland Mas]

Dale Maggee, 2008-08-07 02:31:23 +1000 :

[...]

> I'm having exactly the same problem with scummVM as described above.
> Looking I found /usr/bin/scummvm, but trying to run it i get :
>
> /bin/sh: /usr/bin/scummvm: not found
>
> which is very odd, because I can type "/usr/bin/scum[TAB]", and it
> autocompletes to scummvm. the file is marked as executable. I can't
> see anything wrong.

This usually means a broken (or missing) interpreter.  If
/usr/bin/scummvm is a compiled binary, then the interpreter would be
libc6/ld.so, but I assume you'd have been bitten by that earlier...

Roland.
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Re: GPRS internet connection applet

[Daniel Benoy]

How did you get pygtk running?  I have the problem here:
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1718

On Wednesday 06 August 2008 04:47:07 Niccolo Rigacci wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I just wondering if it exists an applet to start/stop the GPRS 
> ppp connection (I use OM2007.2).
> 
> Following the guidelines of this page 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS
> I wrote a little PythonGTK applet, that is working well.
> 
> But I'm a very beginner in OpenMoko, Python and GTK, so may be I 
> get the wrong approach.
> 
> The applet is callet PyPPP, screenshot and download here:
> http://www.rigacci.org/wiki/doku.php/doc/appunti/hardware/freerunner#connessione_internet_via_gprs
>  
> 



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Re: FSO adding packages

[Valerio Valerio]

2008/8/6 Eildert Groeneveld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Wednesday 06 August 2008, Valerio Valerio wrote:
> > ps is working in my NEO with the
> > openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080729-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary.
> > I can get a fix in tangoGPS and I also can see some informations in the
> > zhone gps UI.
>
> did you start something? like the gps daemon or whatever?


No, just go outside with my neo without sd card, wait less than a minute and
got a fix (is easier to see the fix in tangoGPS, but you can see the stat
pos in the zhone UI), after that I can stay inside my house it gps signal. I
don`t know if the SD/GPS problem are fixed already in this kernel.

Cheers,

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Re: wrong offset of mouse in landscape mode (and scummvm)

[Dale Maggee]

Evan wrote:
> Is there more to the setup than meets the eye? the image setup isn't really 
> documented. i ended up downloading all the ipk files, and doing opkg install 
> on 
> them (with the scummvm ipk being installed last), and everything appeared 
> good 
> until i tried running scummvm.
>
> from the menu, the screen turned landscape for a second ,then turned back to 
> normal and nothing happened.
>
> i tried running it from the terminal (hoping to get a more detailed error 
> message) and got the following
> /usr/bin/openmoko-scummvm: line 10: scummvm: not found
>
> upon opening the openmoko-scummvm file in a text editor, i saw that it was 
> simply a shell script that was set to execute scummvm, for which i didn't see 
> a 
> binary. it looks like the scummvm_0.9.1.bb file could be useful, but i am not 
> having any luck getting that to do anything.
>
> are there any files i have to get that aren't on this page here?
> http://buildhost.automated.it/scummvm/
>
> Yorick Moko wrote:
> > at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Scummvm there is a pre-built image
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Iker Berasaluce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >   
> >> 2008/7/30 Evan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> 
> >>> dumb question, but just out of curiousity, what version of scummvm are you
> >>> guys installing? is it one of the binary packages from the scummvm 
> >>> website?
> >>> i'm not sure what packaging formats the freerunner can handle, and wasn't
> >>> sure if it could take deb or rpm files, or which package i should download
> >>> (or if i'm on the completely wrong track and there is an opkg install
> >>> package for it). even if it isn't working perfect, i'd like to check it 
> >>> out.
> >>>   
> >> One of the first things I want to do when I get my FR is installing 
> >> scummvm,
> >> so I don't think its a dumb question and I'm interested in the answer too.
> >>
>   

I'm having exactly the same problem with scummVM as described above. 
Looking I found /usr/bin/scummvm, but trying to run it i get :

/bin/sh: /usr/bin/scummvm: not found

which is very odd, because I can type "/usr/bin/scum[TAB]", and it 
autocompletes to scummvm. the file is marked as executable. I can't see 
anything wrong.

does anyone have any Ideas?

Thanks,
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Re: GPS rework: Please test and report on software fix prior to attempting any hardware fix

[-stacy]

Andy Green wrote:

> These are really interesting, thanks.
> 
> | d i   min /  avg / max
> | 0 0  35.20/ 55.33/144.30   <===
> | 0 1  37.39/ 77.76/315.76
> 
> | 3 0  36.07/ 42.07/ 47.82   <===
> | 3 1  97.46/173.09/359.69
> 
> These relative numbers are a bit counterintuitive... it might be worth
> trying it again from a "very cold boot" but with the script
> 
> for DRIVESTRENGTH in 3 2 1 0
> 
> and seeing if the bias to a worse max moves accordingly.

So I broke the first rule of testing, and changed a bunch of things and 
then reran the test.

First, instead of doing a power off/power on of the GPS, I used Andy's 
handy dandy UBX construction kit to issue a cold restart to the chip. If 
I understand the documentation correctly, this will wipe everything from 
the GPS's memory and do a hardware reset; that should take care of any 
concerns about residual fix information surviving a power cycle.

Second, as Andy suggested, I reversed the order of DRIVESRENGTH values.

And finally, I left WLAN enabled (mainly because I did a reboot of the 
FreeRunner and then ran the test).

Here are the results:
d i   min /  avg /  max
0 0  36.41/ 51.53/ 84.83
0 1  40.41/ 59.13/128.33
1 0  36.98/ 45.45/ 51.03
1 1  40.94/ 63.74/111.77
2 0  31.43/ 45.08/ 52.31
2 1  32.57/ 57.50/ 76.06
3 0  32.10/ 43.75/ 57.98
3 1  40.34/ 61.71/ 96.67

BTW, the magic incantation to generate the cold restart is

ubxcs  b5 62 06 04 04 00 ff ff 00 00 > coldstart.ubx

Then to issue the command,

cat coldstart.ubx > /dev/ttySAC1
grep '$GPTXT,01,01,02,u-blox' -q -m 1 /dev/ttySAC1

The grep command looks for the powerup message from the GPS to make sure 
that there is no RMC sentence sitting in a buffer somewhere.

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aptitude install openembedded-sonkei fails [Was: Re: Openmoko presentation]

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

"Shakthi Kannan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> http://shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/openmoko-free-your-phone.pdf

$ sudo aptitude install openembedded-sonkei
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  monotone{a} openembedded-common{a} openembedded-sonkei
0 packages upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 142 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B/2380kB of archives. After unpacking 6066kB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] y
WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!

Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security.
You should only proceed with the installation if you are certain that
this is what you want to do.

  openembedded-sonkei openembedded-common

Do you want to ignore this warning and proceed anyway?
To continue, enter "Yes"; to abort, enter "No": yes
Writing extended state information... Done
Selecting previously deselected package monotone.
(Reading database ... 272675 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking monotone (from .../monotone_0.40-7_i386.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package openembedded-common.
Unpacking openembedded-common (from .../openembedded-common_0.2-3_all.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package openembedded-sonkei.
Unpacking openembedded-sonkei (from .../openembedded-sonkei_0.2-3_all.deb) ...
Processing triggers for man-db ...
Setting up monotone (0.40-7) ...
Setting up openembedded-common (0.2-3) ...
Preparing OpenEmbedded for first use.  Please be patient.
--2008-08-06 15:34:48--  http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/OE.mtn.bz2
Resolving proxy.kurp.hut.fi... 130.233.244.1
Connecting to proxy.kurp.hut.fi|130.233.244.1|:3128... connected.
Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 302 Moved Temporarily
Location: http://oe.linuxtogo.org/snapshots/OE.mtn.bz2 [following]
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Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 302 Moved Temporarily
Location: http://wiki.openembedded.net/snapshots/OE.mtn.bz2 [following]
--2008-08-06 15:34:48--  http://wiki.openembedded.net/snapshots/OE.mtn.bz2
Connecting to proxy.kurp.hut.fi|130.233.244.1|:3128... connected.
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2008-08-06 15:39:17 (661 KB/s) - `OE.mtn.bz2' saved [181667846/181667846]

Unziping Snapshot.  Depending on the speed of your machine, this will take some 
time.
Snapshot successfully unpacked.  Continue with checkout.
mtn: misuse: database /usr/src/oe/OE.mtn is laid out according to an old schema
mtn: misuse: try 'mtn db migrate' to upgrade
mtn: misuse: (this is irreversible; you may want to make a backup copy first)
mtn: misuse: database /usr/src/oe/OE.mtn is laid out according to an old schema
mtn: misuse: try 'mtn db migrate' to upgrade
mtn: misuse: (this is irreversible; you may want to make a backup copy first)
/usr/src/oe seems to be used for something else.  Aborting.
dpkg: error processing openembedded-common (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of openembedded-sonkei:
 openembedded-sonkei depends on openembedded-common; however:
  Package openembedded-common is not configured yet.
dpkg: error processing openembedded-sonkei (--configure):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
 openembedded-common
 openembedded-sonkei
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
A package failed to install.  Trying to recover:
Setting up openembedded-common (0.2-3) ...
Preparing OpenEmbedded for first use.  Please be patient.
--2008-08-06 15:39:56--  http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/OE.mtn.bz2
Resolving proxy.kurp.hut.fi... 130.233.244.1
Connecting to proxy.kurp.hut.fi|130.233.244.1|:3128... connected.
Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 302 Moved Temporarily
Location: http://oe.linuxtogo.org/snapshots/OE.mtn.bz2 [following]
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Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 302 Moved Temporarily
Location: http://wiki.openembedded.net/snapshots/OE.mtn.bz2 [following]
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Re: FR at golem.de

[Juergen Schinker]

Michele Renda wrote:
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> Norbert Hartl wrote:
>> On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:19 +0200, Michele Renda wrote:
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>>> Norbert Hartl wrote:
 On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 14:35 +0200, Tobias Kündig wrote:
>> Nobody expected from a mobile phone that it should be able to make
>> coffee. But you can expect from a mobile phone to make phone calls,
>> can't you? From a PDA you can even expect to have a addressbook 
>> where you can store and find addresses, can't you? To be extremely
>> biased towards this device does not help anyone.
>>
>> >From the view point of a mobile phone the freerunner is the second worst
>> device (nokia communicator 9100 was much worse :)) I ever saw. From the
>> perspective of an open mobile platform it is coolest thing invented
>> since sliced bread. 
> 
> It can not to do an comparation with other phone because OM try to use
> only the most opened hardware components and to have a open developing
> process.
> 
> If the Freerunner would use closed component at least he could have UMTS
> / HSDPA, a 3D accelerator, and other cute things. (in a few for a Iphone
> clone)
> 

his Graphics chip-set can do 3D Acceleration  AFAIK

Juergen

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Re: How to see how full my battery is?

[kazaam]

On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:10:22 -0400
Joe DiTommasso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 'cat /proc/apm' in the terminal will show you the current charge level, 
> as well as the time to full charge or full discharge, depending on 
> whether the device is plugged in or not.

This shows me:

# cat /proc/apm
1.13 1.2 0x02 0x01 0x03 0x08 -1% -1 ?

-1 % == battery_percentage
-1 == battery_time

is at least the description from here: 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/3/37/Om-daemons.pdf


But what shall those negative values mean??

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Re: How to see how full my battery is?

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Hi,

kazaam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> There's some symbol in the try looking a bit like a black battery
> with a lightning symbol in it. Is this meaning it's loading? And
> where do I see how full it is? I tried acpi -v in the terminal but
> it seems openmoko is running without acpi.

Try "apm" to see current charge and "cat
/sys/devices/platform/bq2700-battery.0/power_supply/bat/current_now"
to see power consumption.

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Re: How to see how full my battery is?

[Joe DiTommasso]

'cat /proc/apm' in the terminal will show you the current charge level, 
as well as the time to full charge or full discharge, depending on 
whether the device is plugged in or not.

kazaam wrote:
> Hi,
> I have a Freerunner and I'm told to fully load it for the first time. But 
> where can I check how full my battery is at the time? And where if it is 
> loading at all?
> 
> There's some symbol in the try looking a bit like a black battery with a 
> lightning symbol in it. Is this meaning it's loading? And where do I see how 
> full it is? I tried acpi -v in the terminal but it seems openmoko is running 
> without acpi.
> 
> Any idea would be great!
> 
> bye
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Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?

[Stroller]

On 5 Aug 2008, at 19:19, Florian Hackenberger wrote:

> On Tuesday 05 August 2008, Stroller wrote:
>> Me, too. An exactly similar experience so far. But I think I will
>> give them a few more days.
> I can recommend giving them a call. It takes a while until they  
> pick up
> the phone, but they are very kind. They immediately agreed to send a
> replacement for the lost parcel (no arguing involved). You just need
> some patience on the phone (it's toll free). They never answered  
> any of
> my emails though.

If you reread my post you'll see that both myself & the person I was  
responding to found ZAGG quite helpful in agreeing to replace the  
lost InvibleShield - it's just that THE REPLACEMENT HASN'T ARRIVED,  
EITHER.

To be fair to them, the replacement was shipped out only 7 days ago  
now on 7-11 business-day shipping. I thought it was shipped earlier  
than that, and got the impression from the poster I quoted that his  
replacement was also overdue.

As I said, I'm still giving ZAGG a few more days, but they do seem to  
suffer from an unusually high proportion of lost parcels.

Stroller.

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How to see how full my battery is?

[kazaam]

Hi,
I have a Freerunner and I'm told to fully load it for the first time. But where 
can I check how full my battery is at the time? And where if it is loading at 
all?

There's some symbol in the try looking a bit like a black battery with a 
lightning symbol in it. Is this meaning it's loading? And where do I see how 
full it is? I tried acpi -v in the terminal but it seems openmoko is running 
without acpi.

Any idea would be great!

bye

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Re: FSO adding packages

[Eildert Groeneveld]

On Wednesday 06 August 2008, Valerio Valerio wrote:
> ps is working in my NEO with the
> openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080729-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary.
> I can get a fix in tangoGPS and I also can see some informations in the
> zhone gps UI.

did you start something? like the gps daemon or whatever?


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Re: FSO adding packages

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| Further: gps does not seem to be working . Is there a was to switch
off/on
| services like GSM/GPS/BT?

The down and dirty way is described here, I dunno what is meant to be
happening in FSO

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs

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Re: FR at golem.de

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> On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:19 +0200, Michele Renda wrote:
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>> Norbert Hartl wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 14:35 +0200, Tobias Kündig wrote:
> Nobody expected from a mobile phone that it should be able to make
> coffee. But you can expect from a mobile phone to make phone calls,
> can't you? From a PDA you can even expect to have a addressbook 
> where you can store and find addresses, can't you? To be extremely
> biased towards this device does not help anyone.
> 
>>From the view point of a mobile phone the freerunner is the second worst
> device (nokia communicator 9100 was much worse :)) I ever saw. From the
> perspective of an open mobile platform it is coolest thing invented
> since sliced bread. 

It can not to do an comparation with other phone because OM try to use
only the most opened hardware components and to have a open developing
process.

If the Freerunner would use closed component at least he could have UMTS
/ HSDPA, a 3D accelerator, and other cute things. (in a few for a Iphone
clone)

But choosing a Open development you must to renunce all the component
where you need to sign NDA to use it.

It is a very DIFFICULT street. And I am not so sure who write the
article know all this.

It every case this phone must be reviewed more as a blank book where
every people can what he want.

My 2 cent.

Michele Renda

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> my 2 cents,
> 
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Re: FSO adding packages

[Valerio Valerio]

2008/8/6 Eildert Groeneveld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Hello Folks
>
> are there any other packages, that can be installed in FSO or is all there
> is
> in openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080729-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary
> ?
>
> Further: gps does not seem to be working .


Gps is working in my NEO with the
openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080729-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary.
I can get a fix in tangoGPS and I also can see some informations in the
zhone gps UI.

Cheers,
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> services like GSM/GPS/BT?
>
> greetings
>
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Re: FR at golem.de

[Christian Blaesing]

Christian Weßel, Mittwoch, 6. August 2008:
> the german online news golem reports about our FR (unfortunaly just
> in german language)
> http://www.golem.de/0808/61507.html

This article is not very good. Aside from some wrong facts, it seems a 
bit tendentious to me. Such bad press from a very popular IT-Website in 
Germany (big market for openmoko) is not good.

The resellers, who give away Neos for testing, should also try to 
communicate more with the authors, give them more information and help 
them with the first steps, since the Golem-author does not seem to be 
very informed.

Christian

P.S.: Please excuse my bad english :-).

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Re: FR at golem.de

[Norbert Hartl]

On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 09:36 -0400, Daniel Benoy wrote:
> Yeah, someone who is reviewing this device from the mindset of an end user is 
> someone who's producing a useless review.  It says 'Not for end users' all 
> over its site long before you try to buy one.  Are they writing a review for 
> people who don't read?
> 
> If you ask me, FIC should have shipped these with no rootfs, so that it would 
> really drive home the point about how you should approach this device at this 
> early stage.
> 
In the review you read what you can expect from the device. The
conclusion is exactly what you say about what is written all
over their site (Can you point me to any place on openmoko.com
site where it says "Not for end users"?) 
So this is a review for people to know what it is without 
having to buy it first. And the conclusion says "Not for end 
users". 

Norbert 
> On Wednesday 06 August 2008 09:19:32 Michele Renda wrote:
> > Norbert Hartl wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 14:35 +0200, Tobias Kündig wrote:
> > >> This is the worst review I ever read from Golem.
> > >>
> > >> So many mistakes. They bought their Freerunner and wrote the review. I
> > >> bet they haven't tested it for more than 1 day.
> > >>
> > > Fow how long do you think you should check a device before
> > > writing a review? I find the review ok. It is very clear that
> > > the tester doesn't has to be an expert in this domain. And
> > > I found most points to be true. What are the big mistakes in
> > > it that makes this review so horrible?
> > >
> > > The conclusion is that you get a linux computer with many
> > > possibilities from which the most are not made available , yet.
> > > And it is quite unusable as phone. All true for me.
> > > I can't use it as my daily phone and I know how to tweak the device.
> > > And that is the same openmoko says about their own product. So
> > > where is the problem?
> > >
> > 
> > I think that before to test something you must to know what are you
> > testing. You can not to test a phone and than to say:
> > 
> > Oh... it is stupid, it is not able to prepare me a coffee :)
> > 
> > Michele
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Re: FR at golem.de

[arne anka]

> But is it marketed as a phone or not?  Yes, it is marketed as a
> phone.  Thus, to review it as a phone is only fair.

imo the intended audience was not outlined very clear by om, thus the  
snafu with end-user vs developer continues.
what turned me off was the point on the gear icon -- there was no  
indication that the author was aware of his being conditioned to expect a  
certain function behind a certain icon.
it had a lot of "quod semper, quod ubique, quod ab omnibus" and "no  
experiments, thank you!".

but compared with other reviews which always had the iphone as yardstick  
this one was rather well balanced.

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FSO adding packages

[Eildert Groeneveld]

Hello Folks

are there any other packages, that can be installed in FSO or is all there is 
in openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080729-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary
?

Further: gps does not seem to be working . Is there a was to switch off/on 
services like GSM/GPS/BT?

greetings

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Re: FR at golem.de

[Jay Vaughan]

> Oh... it is stupid, it is not able to prepare me a coffee :)


But is it marketed as a phone or not?  Yes, it is marketed as a  
phone.  Thus, to review it as a phone is only fair.

Otherwise, it should've been marketed as a linux computer with a phone  
peripheral in it ..

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Re: FR at golem.de

[Daniel Benoy]

Yeah, someone who is reviewing this device from the mindset of an end user is 
someone who's producing a useless review.  It says 'Not for end users' all over 
its site long before you try to buy one.  Are they writing a review for people 
who don't read?

If you ask me, FIC should have shipped these with no rootfs, so that it would 
really drive home the point about how you should approach this device at this 
early stage.

On Wednesday 06 August 2008 09:19:32 Michele Renda wrote:
> Norbert Hartl wrote:
> > On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 14:35 +0200, Tobias Kündig wrote:
> >> This is the worst review I ever read from Golem.
> >>
> >> So many mistakes. They bought their Freerunner and wrote the review. I
> >> bet they haven't tested it for more than 1 day.
> >>
> > Fow how long do you think you should check a device before
> > writing a review? I find the review ok. It is very clear that
> > the tester doesn't has to be an expert in this domain. And
> > I found most points to be true. What are the big mistakes in
> > it that makes this review so horrible?
> >
> > The conclusion is that you get a linux computer with many
> > possibilities from which the most are not made available , yet.
> > And it is quite unusable as phone. All true for me.
> > I can't use it as my daily phone and I know how to tweak the device.
> > And that is the same openmoko says about their own product. So
> > where is the problem?
> >
> 
> I think that before to test something you must to know what are you
> testing. You can not to test a phone and than to say:
> 
> Oh... it is stupid, it is not able to prepare me a coffee :)
> 
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Re: FR at golem.de

[Tilman Baumann]

Michele Renda wrote:
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> Norbert Hartl wrote:
>> On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 14:35 +0200, Tobias Kündig wrote:
>>> This is the worst review I ever read from Golem.
>>>
>>> So many mistakes. They bought their Freerunner and wrote the review. I
>>> bet they haven't tested it for more than 1 day.
>>>
>> Fow how long do you think you should check a device before
>> writing a review? I find the review ok. It is very clear that
>> the tester doesn't has to be an expert in this domain. And 
>> I found most points to be true. What are the big mistakes in 
>> it that makes this review so horrible?

> 
> I think that before to test something you must to know what are you
> testing. 

Well, that is true for any reasonable technical evaluation of anything.
But not true for the press.

It should be, but it is not. In a press context, this was actually a 
rather good review.

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Re: FR at golem.de

[Norbert Hartl]

On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:19 +0200, Michele Renda wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> Norbert Hartl wrote:
> > On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 14:35 +0200, Tobias Kündig wrote:
> >> This is the worst review I ever read from Golem.
> >>
> >> So many mistakes. They bought their Freerunner and wrote the review. I
> >> bet they haven't tested it for more than 1 day.
> >>
> > Fow how long do you think you should check a device before
> > writing a review? I find the review ok. It is very clear that
> > the tester doesn't has to be an expert in this domain. And 
> > I found most points to be true. What are the big mistakes in 
> > it that makes this review so horrible?
> > 
> > The conclusion is that you get a linux computer with many 
> > possibilities from which the most are not made available , yet.
> > And it is quite unusable as phone. All true for me.
> > I can't use it as my daily phone and I know how to tweak the device.
> > And that is the same openmoko says about their own product. So 
> > where is the problem?
> > 
> 
> I think that before to test something you must to know what are you
> testing. You can not to test a phone and than to say:
> 
> Oh... it is stupid, it is not able to prepare me a coffee :)
> 
Nobody expected from a mobile phone that it should be able to make
coffee. But you can expect from a mobile phone to make phone calls,
can't you? From a PDA you can even expect to have a addressbook 
where you can store and find addresses, can't you? To be extremely
biased towards this device does not help anyone.

>From the view point of a mobile phone the freerunner is the second worst
device (nokia communicator 9100 was much worse :)) I ever saw. From the
perspective of an open mobile platform it is coolest thing invented
since sliced bread. 

my 2 cents,

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Re: FR at golem.de

[Iker Berasaluce]

Christian Weßel said

> Googles English is horrible. :-)

Googles translations are awful in all languages lol


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Re: FR at golem.de

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Norbert Hartl wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 14:35 +0200, Tobias Kündig wrote:
>> This is the worst review I ever read from Golem.
>>
>> So many mistakes. They bought their Freerunner and wrote the review. I
>> bet they haven't tested it for more than 1 day.
>>
> Fow how long do you think you should check a device before
> writing a review? I find the review ok. It is very clear that
> the tester doesn't has to be an expert in this domain. And 
> I found most points to be true. What are the big mistakes in 
> it that makes this review so horrible?
> 
> The conclusion is that you get a linux computer with many 
> possibilities from which the most are not made available , yet.
> And it is quite unusable as phone. All true for me.
> I can't use it as my daily phone and I know how to tweak the device.
> And that is the same openmoko says about their own product. So 
> where is the problem?
> 

I think that before to test something you must to know what are you
testing. You can not to test a phone and than to say:

Oh... it is stupid, it is not able to prepare me a coffee :)

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Re: Navit?

[Norbert Hartl]

On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 19:05 +1000, Dale Maggee wrote:
> Michael Sheldon wrote:
> > Dale Maggee wrote:
> >   
> >> do you have an ipkg? did you get gpsd support to compile?
> >>
> >> I've tried compiling the svn version, but I get the following during 
> >> 'make':
> >>
> >> /usr/local/openmoko/arm/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.1.2/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld:
> >>  
> >> cannot find -lpq
> >> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> >> make[2]: *** [osm2navit] Error 1
> >>
> >> om-conf seems to work, although it still isn't enabling gpsd.
> >> 
> >
> >   You shouldn't need to use the separate openmoko buildchain, there's a 
> > navit recipe in openembedded which should build navit and all the 
> > required dependencies.
> >
> >   Just setup the MokoMakefile: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile
> >
> >   Then run: make build-package-navit
> >
> >   This'll probably take a long time, since it'll first have to build the 
> > tool chain and all dependencies.
> >
> >   If I get time later I'll see about doing a build of it and making it 
> > available.
> >
> >   Cheers,
> >Mike.
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> I had a read through the MokoMakeFile wiki page, but it looks to me like 
> it has to build other stuff (also mentioned in your message). This 
> mentions requiring about 12Gb of free HDD space, which I don't have... 
> am I missing something? can I just build navit using the MokoMakeFile? 
> will it really need 12Gb? :O
> 
No, you will need this space only if you are building the complete 
image. For navit it will be much less. I'm trying to build it at the
moment but being stuck with a portaudio issue. 

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Re: FR at golem.de

[Norbert Hartl]

On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 14:35 +0200, Tobias Kündig wrote:
> This is the worst review I ever read from Golem.
> 
> So many mistakes. They bought their Freerunner and wrote the review. I
> bet they haven't tested it for more than 1 day.
> 
Fow how long do you think you should check a device before
writing a review? I find the review ok. It is very clear that
the tester doesn't has to be an expert in this domain. And 
I found most points to be true. What are the big mistakes in 
it that makes this review so horrible?

The conclusion is that you get a linux computer with many 
possibilities from which the most are not made available , yet.
And it is quite unusable as phone. All true for me.
I can't use it as my daily phone and I know how to tweak the device.
And that is the same openmoko says about their own product. So 
where is the problem?

Norbert
> The funniest thing: They say the icons are bad. i.e. the «gears»-Tab
> is not for Settings, it's for the favorites menu. Never heard from a
> task manager, haven't they...
> 

> 2008/8/6 Christian Weßel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Googles English is horrible. :-)
> >
> > Am Mittwoch, den 06.08.2008, 07:29 -0400 schrieb Charles Pax:
> >> 2008/8/6 Christian Weßel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Hi folks,
> >>
> >> the german online news golem reports about our FR (unfortunaly
> >> just in
> >> german language)
> >> http://www.golem.de/0808/61507.html
> >>
> >> Google translate: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%
> >> 2Fwww.golem.de%2F0808%2F61507.html&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=de&tl=en
> >>
> >> -Charles
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Re: Bad A2DP Performance

[Daniel Benoy]

I compiled it from the development bitbake definitions using mokomakefile, IIRC.

On Tuesday 05 August 2008 23:09:08 Steven ** wrote:
> Ok, where did you get that file??  You must share your secret.  Cause
> I really did look and couldn't find anything that looked right.
> 
> -Steven
> 
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 6:06 PM, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I would gladly compare notes with you, but I'm missing
> >> bluez-utils-alsa.  Where'd you get that package?  As soon as I get
> >> that package, I should have A2DP running and can report the results.
> >
> > see
> >>
> >> http://www.ginguppin.de/node/22
> >
> > and i sincerely hope bt audio will become useful in a near future.
> >
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Re: Bad A2DP Performance

[Steven **]

I don't get nearly as bad performance as the OP.  But it does make a
difference how close I hold the Freerunner to my headset.  With it
just a few inches away, I get a glitch in the sound every 10 - 20
seconds.  If I set it on the table in front of me about 2.5 - 3 feet
from the headset, I get constant glitches.  I also noticed what seem
like dropped packets or sync issues.  The song would just ahead by a
second or so every once in a while.  No clue what causes that.

Here are my versions:
bluez-utils - 3.23-r4 -
bluez-utils-alsa - 3.23-r2 -
bluez-utils-compat - 3.23-r2 -

I checked top while I was playing.  madplay was at about 18% usage and
aplay took another 12%.  If I just used aplay with a wav, it uses
about 20%.

Is gstreamer what openmoko-mediaplayer uses?  Cause that wouldn't even
play sound.  Not sure what that is doing (obviously my goal would be
for the mediaplayer to play to the BT headset).

I noticed in the ticket a comment about trying it at 16 KHz sample
rate.  So, I played the same song with that sample rate.  It performed
much better.  Of course, it sounds like crap...  But I only got a few
stutters/glitches.  It was fairly bearable.  I actually listened to
the whole song and I noticed the following output:
Playing WAVE 'stdin' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 16000 Hz, Stereo
6746 frames decoded (0:02:56.2), +0.6 dB peak amplitude, 36 clipped samples

If I play the same clip at the same distance, but at the original 44.1
KHz, it's unbearably glitchy.  I get:
Playing WAVE 'stdin' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo
6746 frames decoded (0:02:56.2), +0.6 dB peak amplitude, 187 clipped samples

-Steven

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Brad Midgley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Daniel
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Daniel Benoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I reported a problem to the openmoko bug tracker a little while ago and I 
>> haven't received any feedback yet.  I'm hoping I will get more feedback here.
>
> there are two sources of possible trouble for quality, cpu load and
> timing of bluetooth frames.
>
> The cpu is not likely the problem on neo. When driving it through the
> alsa driver, the neo1973 had really good a2dp performance even on
> older versions of bluez-utils, much better than the TI cpus (eg in the
> n800). Did you check the cpu load while playing? I don't have a
> freerunner, but the cpu is supposed to only be an improvement over the
> neo1973.
>
> btw, what version of bluez-utils is in the system?
>
> an aside, the gstreamer plugin has had a performance issue that burns
> a lot of cpu. I never did isolate it to either the encoder or
> transmission components. It isn't likely you're using the gstreamer
> route unless you specifically set out to do it that way.
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Re: GPS rework: Please test and report on software fix prior to attempting any hardware fix

[Al Johnson]

On Wednesday 06 August 2008, Andy Green wrote:
> | sysfs entries! From the same location some runs have a best ttff of ~150s
>
> I guess it means there are "random" accesses to SD Card in background.

Perhaps, but I think I saw similar variation from the same location with the 
SD card removed when the link was first discovered. It may be the GSM, the 
constellation, or a neighbour using some crappy device that spews 
interference too. I might try a few runs with the SD removed to get a 
baseline for variation not attributable to the SD.

> | I suspect from a couple of observations that a GSM register may make ttff
> | longer, but I don't have any data to back that up - it may just have been
> | unlucky. Any ideas on how GSM status could be factored in?
>
> "Make a call and whistle" is what I would do.  But there is pretty much
> no latitude (ha) for meddling with what GSM side is going to do.

I was thinking more of recording when the reregisters were taking place or 
something. I know we don't have control over it, but I would like to rule it 
in or out as a cause of interference. I wouldn't want you scratching your 
head over further ways to reduce interference from the SD if GSM or some 
other source was now the dominant factor.

> | I suppose I should post some results too. Note the 2 results where
>
> there seems
>
> | to have been a GPRMC result sitting in a serial buffer or something.
>
> I guess it won't hurt to sleep 3 after turning it off before turning it
> back on.

It already sleeps 20 after switch off as an attempt to get a properly cold 
start, but I don't know if it's long enough for the ublox chip to lose its 
memory.

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Re: FR at golem.de

[Tobias Kündig]

This is the worst review I ever read from Golem.

So many mistakes. They bought their Freerunner and wrote the review. I
bet they haven't tested it for more than 1 day.

The funniest thing: They say the icons are bad. i.e. the «gears»-Tab
is not for Settings, it's for the favorites menu. Never heard from a
task manager, haven't they...

2008/8/6 Christian Weßel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Googles English is horrible. :-)
>
> Am Mittwoch, den 06.08.2008, 07:29 -0400 schrieb Charles Pax:
>> 2008/8/6 Christian Weßel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> the german online news golem reports about our FR (unfortunaly
>> just in
>> german language)
>> http://www.golem.de/0808/61507.html
>>
>> Google translate: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%
>> 2Fwww.golem.de%2F0808%2F61507.html&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=de&tl=en
>>
>> -Charles
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Re: Navit?

[Dale Maggee]

arne anka wrote:
>> gpsd-devel.i386  2.34-3.fc7  
>> development
>> 
>
> this should be the right one -- lock inside (yum might be able to list the  
> content), it should have some or more files ending with .h
>
>
>   
I can't see a yum option to list files, but there's an info command 
which gives me the following, among other things:
Description:
 This package provides C header files for the gpsd shared libraries
that manage access to a GPS for applications; also Python modules.

This makes me think that you're probably correct, and that this is what 
I want.

Trying to install this puts me into a dependency hell I created a long 
time ago when I knew a lot less and installed two incompatible 
repositories, the solution which I found being 'don't update'. I'll see 
if I can get it to install without causing a disaster (It's currently 
resolving dependencies), but as previously indicated it's not that 
important anymore, so if it's going to uninstall a heap of my programs I 
won't worry about it..
> (snip)
> until error messages advise otherwise, i think that's not necessary. after  
> all, you're just linking an app aganinst a well known and available lib.
>
>   
>> but in my experience, things I install with yum are precompiled... would
>> 
>
> not necessarily (there are actually src.rpm). the devel-packages conatin  
> additional, usually platform independent, informations like the .h files  
> and .la, which basically provide informations how other applications may  
> play together with this app (libgps in our case).
>   
Aha, I see, so this will install the required gps.h file, among other 
things...
>   
>> I install the -devel package with yum and then use 'rpm -ql' (list
>> package files) to find the files I need?
>> 
>
> you can do rpm -ql if you're curious about the packages contents, but on  
> any distribution conforming to lsb there are well defined pathes to  
> install those files into and to look for.
> thus, the compiler should be able to finde the necessary files without any  
> further action on your side.
>
>   
>> wouldn't I actually want to
>> install a source package (probably named something like "gpsd-src")?
>> 
>
> only if you want to build gps yourself.
> in the rare case, there is absolutely no devel package available, you  
> might use a source package as well, since it contains that .h and .la  
> files as well -- but that requires a certain amount of configuration to  
> make the compiler find them.
>   
I understand! Thanks alot for clearing up my confusion! :) I'll let you 
know if I manage to get it installed.

-Dale

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Re: FR at golem.de

[Christian Weßel]

Googles English is horrible. :-)

Am Mittwoch, den 06.08.2008, 07:29 -0400 schrieb Charles Pax:
> 2008/8/6 Christian Weßel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Hi folks,
> 
> the german online news golem reports about our FR (unfortunaly
> just in
> german language)
> http://www.golem.de/0808/61507.html
> 
> Google translate: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%
> 2Fwww.golem.de%2F0808%2F61507.html&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=de&tl=en
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Re: FR at golem.de

[Charles Pax]

2008/8/6 Christian Weßel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Hi folks,
>
> the german online news golem reports about our FR (unfortunaly just in
> german language)
> http://www.golem.de/0808/61507.html
>

Google translate:
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.golem.de%2F0808%2F61507.html&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=de&tl=en

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FR at golem.de

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Hi folks,

the german online news golem reports about our FR (unfortunaly just in
german language)
http://www.golem.de/0808/61507.html
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Re: Navit?

[arne anka]

> gpsd-devel.i386  2.34-3.fc7  
> development

this should be the right one -- lock inside (yum might be able to list the  
content), it should have some or more files ending with .h


> under 'Installing additional libraries into the toolchain', the wiki
> page mentions doing:
>
> ./configure --host=arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi  
> --prefix=/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr
> make
> make install

until error messages advise otherwise, i think that's not necessary. after  
all, you're just linking an app aganinst a well known and available lib.

> but in my experience, things I install with yum are precompiled... would

not necessarily (there are actually src.rpm). the devel-packages conatin  
additional, usually platform independent, informations like the .h files  
and .la, which basically provide informations how other applications may  
play together with this app (libgps in our case).

> I install the -devel package with yum and then use 'rpm -ql' (list
> package files) to find the files I need?

you can do rpm -ql if you're curious about the packages contents, but on  
any distribution conforming to lsb there are well defined pathes to  
install those files into and to look for.
thus, the compiler should be able to finde the necessary files without any  
further action on your side.

> wouldn't I actually want to
> install a source package (probably named something like "gpsd-src")?

only if you want to build gps yourself.
in the rare case, there is absolutely no devel package available, you  
might use a source package as well, since it contains that .h and .la  
files as well -- but that requires a certain amount of configuration to  
make the compiler find them.

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Re: Problem with usb cable: device descriptor read/64, error -110

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Great.

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Re: Navit?

[Dale Maggee]

Success!

extracted navit.arm.2.tgz to ./ on the FR, did some configurification to 
use my australia map, and it works!

It's *very* slow (~1fps) to update the screen at usefull zoom levels, 
and I seem to have to start the agpsgui and get a fix with that first, 
but it's working! yay! thanks alot harald!

should I need to get a fix with the agpsgui before starting navit? is 
there something else I should / could do to avoid this step? Ideally 
it'd be nice to just be able to start navit and drive...

Thanks alot to everyone who has helped me out with this! :)

Harald Koenig wrote:
> On Aug 05, Dale Maggee wrote:
>
>   
>> Thanks, but I've got the map problem sorted out, I think... now I just 
>> need to get it working with gpsd...
>> 
>
> when I first compiled navit for openmoko I had to add libgps devel 
> to my (cross) build environment to make ./configure add the gpsd support
> (check the tail of the output of configure!), then it worked quite fine.
>
> here I have tar files (no ipk yet, sorry) from two builds form July 12
> and August 4, just extract them in / and run "navit" in a terminal...
>
> http://www.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de/~koenig/navit.arm.1.tgz
> http://www.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de/~koenig/navit.arm.2.tgz
>
>
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Re: 2007.2 Multitap-pad toggle?

[leonardo]

Dylan Reilly wrote:

thanks, now it works, I was using matchbox from OM repositories, not the
ones you pointed.
Now I can play numptyphysiscs :-)

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