RE:What will be in GTA03?

2008-08-13 Thread Pritam Ghanghas
On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 15:15 +0200, Joachim Steiger wrote: Pritam, Ghanghas (IE10) wrote: Hi All I had put this wish list once but no one considered that I guess. Is it that stupid? At least give your review guys. OMAP3530 http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/omap3530.html

Re: What will be in GTA03?

2008-08-13 Thread Hendrik Strydom
On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 11:45 +0200, Michele Renda wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hendrik Strydom wrote: My wish list: 3G, or at least UMTS 3g != UMTS ? (I thing you wanted to say EDGE :) No. Simplistically seen from an Australian perspective UMTS allows download

Re: What could be done to improve the OM development process?

2008-08-13 Thread Olivier Migeot
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 12:05 AM, Jeffery Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Instead of working on multiple concurrent software distributions, why not try to rally everyone under one banner for a while? Just my cheap comment on this : I feel less and less like there's multiple concurrent

Re: Om2008.8 comments and questions

2008-08-13 Thread Sascha Peilicke
Le Wednesday, 13. August 2008 01:30:55 Jeremiah Flerchinger, vous avez écrit : On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 17:13 -0400, Helmut Tessarek wrote: Alright then. What format has the addressbook? A .vcf importer cannot be that hard to develop. It does not even have to be a GUI app. I'm not sure if it

Re: Any progress on the white screen of death problem?

2008-08-13 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 12:58:10AM +0200, Holger Freyther wrote: On Tuesday 12 August 2008 22:02:08 Florian Lohoff wrote: It seems the new kernel needs another epoch bump otherwise opkg will not detect the kernel to be newer so no upgrade here ... [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg list | grep

RE: Om2008.8 comments and questions

2008-08-13 Thread Peter Boos
Hi Wolfgang, I read the Software Testing Report from Wendy. I like this report because it synchronizes the customer with the engineers. Why not add the test case: Convert contacts from the old Address Book to the New Address Book. So, next time Helmut is able to convert his address book from

Re: What could be done to improve the OM development process?

2008-08-13 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Am Mittwoch 13 August 2008 09:24:46 schrieb Olivier Migeot: On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 12:05 AM, Jeffery Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Instead of working on multiple concurrent software distributions, why not try to rally everyone under one banner for a while? Just my cheap comment on

Re: Om2008.8 comments and questions

2008-08-13 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Am Mittwoch 13 August 2008 09:27:06 schrieb Sascha Peilicke: Le Wednesday, 13. August 2008 01:30:55 Jeremiah Flerchinger, vous avez écrit : On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 17:13 -0400, Helmut Tessarek wrote: Alright then. What format has the addressbook? A .vcf importer cannot be that hard to

Re: Qtopia issues with 4.3.2-080808

2008-08-13 Thread Holger Freyther
On Wednesday 13 August 2008 04:08:39 Lorn Potter wrote: 2. Also, speaker phone doesn't work, it just emits a loud constant beep when in speaker phone mode. It needs a fixed/working speakerphone alsa state. Same thing probably happens with other gui's as well. I said the same but actually

Re: What could be done to improve the OM development process?

2008-08-13 Thread Mike Baroukh
Trust me, to avoid it, for a while I really considered shipping a console-image for the framework image, forcing people to ssh into to start getting familiar with the dbus services... hum ... personnaly, I use it. I couldn't get my GPRS work on ASU. It works immediatly with FSO and I could

(NAND) boot problems with empty batteries ?

2008-08-13 Thread Harald Koenig
Hi, when my gta02v5 battery is completely empty I have two problems booting again at all: 1) NAND u-boot does not work: after connecting AC charger I can start only NOR boot (aux button first), but the NAND boot (no aux button, only pwr button for 10+ seconds just does nothing, the aux button

Re: What could be done to improve the OM development process?

2008-08-13 Thread Holger Freyther
On Wednesday 13 August 2008 00:05:14 Jeffery Davis wrote: 2. Better communication between the development community and the end user community. I have yet to see anyone say they're pleased as punch with the keyboard. When almost everyone is unhappy, closing bugs as 'working as intended' is

Re: 2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-13 Thread Pawel Kowalak
On Aug 13, 2008, at 7:51 AM, Olivier Berger wrote: steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then try 2008.9 when it comes Please issue it when it's READY and not on 2008.9.9 at 09:09:09 just for the fun of it. Idea of Open Source projects is to release them before they're ready, to let

Re: Qtopia issues with 4.3.2-080808

2008-08-13 Thread Al Johnson
On Wednesday 13 August 2008, Lorn Potter wrote: Jim Morris wrote: Lorn Potter wrote: 3. I can pair my bluetooth headset, but it won't work with calls. I am able to ring it through the bluetooth dialog, and it does show as an option when I make a call, but if I select it, there is no

OpenEinstein Newton emulator - Working?

2008-08-13 Thread Who
The OpenEinstein Newton Emulator (http://code.google.com/p/einstein/) work on the Nokia n800, N770 and old Sharp Zauruses - I wonder if anyone has tried compiling it for the Neo1973/FreeRunner - have they? Is there any interest? The large screen seems perfectly suited to a Newton Emulator and the

Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-13 Thread Sébastien Lorquet
pfff... this rant is pointless. Do you prefer to see unterminated but promising software NOW, or finished, not evolving software in LONG future? buggy software is just a way to non buggy software. At least you can see what is done now. If you don't like it, go back to your iphone/windows

Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-13 Thread Michele Renda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This type of comments are the type of comment that I hate most of all. Please let the people to work in peace, and if you want to make an appoint, please make in a constructive way. We all was knowing that OM 2008.8 was in very early development,

Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-13 Thread Cédric Berger
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 11:54, Sébastien Lorquet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pfff... this rant is pointless. Do you prefer to see unterminated but promising software NOW, or finished, not evolving software in LONG future? buggy software is just a way to non buggy software. At least you can

Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-13 Thread BrendaWang
Wendy 提到: Dear community, here is the QA report which has been created before Om 2008.8 was released. We simply forgot to send this report to a public list because we were too busy with the release preparations. Sorry. More details about our bugs can be found in our bug tracker

Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-13 Thread Dale Maggee
Wendy, I'd really like to be notified when these bugs are fixed, specifically: - Some of the testing phone can not make phone calls but can receive/send SMS??? (With alert messageno network) - Two of our phone can not wake up from suspend time. These are the two major issues which made me

Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-13 Thread Sébastien Lorquet
It's easy to blame an announcement. Openmoko NEVER said any software realeased as now was 100% ready for daily customer use. When it will become, be sure the announcement and publicity will be far greater than anyone we had up to now. Keeping hope is good, but expecting what was never promised

Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-13 Thread Michele Renda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 +1 Sébastien Lorquet wrote: It's easy to blame an announcement. Openmoko NEVER said any software realeased as now was 100% ready for daily customer use. When it will become, be sure the announcement and publicity will be far greater than

TESTING page of wiki

2008-08-13 Thread BrendaWang
Dear documentation team and community : The TESTING link of navigation bar on the left wiki, will reorg as test case and test report page. Most bugs reports from community and Openmoko testing team's test report will all put on this page. some major bugs that been found before Om 2008.8

Re: What could be done to improve the OM development process?

2008-08-13 Thread Norbert Hartl
On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 11:02 +0200, Holger Freyther wrote: On Wednesday 13 August 2008 00:05:14 Jeffery Davis wrote: 2. Better communication between the development community and the end user community. I have yet to see anyone say they're pleased as punch with the keyboard. When almost

Re: What could be done to improve the OM development process?

2008-08-13 Thread Norbert Hartl
On Wednesday 13 August 2008 00:05:14 Jeffery Davis wrote: 2. Better communication between the development community and the end user community. I have yet to see anyone say they're pleased as punch with the keyboard. When almost everyone is unhappy, closing bugs as 'working as

Re: OpenEinstein Newton emulator - Working?

2008-08-13 Thread Tilman Baumann
Who wrote: Is there any interest? The large screen seems perfectly suited to a Newton Emulator and the Newton UI really is awesome to behold - just so intuitive! I always wonder why no one ever tried to build a modern newton like runtime. Not necessarily smalltalk, but maybe

Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-13 Thread Norbert Hartl
On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 12:25 +0200, Sébastien Lorquet wrote: It's easy to blame an announcement. +10 Openmoko NEVER said any software realeased as now was 100% ready for daily customer use. I don't think that counts. This no excuse because people automatically expect things. So you don't

Re: What could be done to improve the OM development process?

2008-08-13 Thread Sander Hepp
On Wednesday 13 August 2008 12:34:06 Norbert Hartl wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 11:02 +0200, Holger Freyther wrote: On Wednesday 13 August 2008 00:05:14 Jeffery Davis wrote: 2. Better communication between the development community and the end user community. I have yet to see anyone say

Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-13 Thread Marek Lindner
On Wednesday, 13. August 2008 18:02:35 Michele Renda wrote: People like you bring firms to have a close development process. Following our new trac culture: +1 Marek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-13 Thread Norbert Hartl
On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 20:20 +1000, Dale Maggee wrote: Wendy, I'd really like to be notified when these bugs are fixed, specifically: - Some of the testing phone can not make phone calls but can receive/send SMS??? (With alert messageno network) - Two of our phone can not wake up from

Re: OpenEinstein Newton emulator - Working?

2008-08-13 Thread Norbert Hartl
On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 12:52 +0200, Tilman Baumann wrote: Who wrote: Is there any interest? The large screen seems perfectly suited to a Newton Emulator and the Newton UI really is awesome to behold - just so intuitive! I always wonder why no one ever tried to build a modern newton like

IDA Systems Freerunner sales update

2008-08-13 Thread rakshat hooja
Two announcements re Freerunner sales in from IDA Systems. 1) We are getting a few (20) Debug boards with our next shipment. If you are in India and would like to order one please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] The final Price will be announced on our website but expect it to be priced around/above INR

Re: OpenEinstein Newton emulator - Working?

2008-08-13 Thread Tilman Baumann
Norbert Hartl wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 12:52 +0200, Tilman Baumann wrote: Who wrote: Is there any interest? The large screen seems perfectly suited to a Newton Emulator and the Newton UI really is awesome to behold - just so intuitive! I always wonder why no one ever tried to build a

where can i find the openmoko-contacts2 app source?

2008-08-13 Thread yuzhong shen
hi all: i cann't find it in the svn repository, or it hasn't released yet, could anybody help me? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: 2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on theFreerunner?

2008-08-13 Thread Gilles Casse
Le mer 13/08/08 07:51, Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: Please issue it when it's READY and not on 2008.9.9 at 09:09:09 just for the fun of it. It depends on expectations, all respectable; some people are also interested in providing feedback for alpha releases. And it is good : I

Re: IDA Systems Freerunner sales update

2008-08-13 Thread Abimanyu
Hi Rakshat,           Your Products are very nice but you don't  have creditcard payment method. We can't blindly drop cash in your account. And other payment methods take long time. Remember that your are in India not in USA. If you are ready to provide cash on delivery (Hyderabad,Andhra

Re: (NAND) boot problems with empty batteries ?

2008-08-13 Thread arne anka
are these known problems ? afaik, yes. how can I get the FR up with empty batteries, how to charge an empty battery ? the way you did. it is annoying (though i only once and recently was in that situation) and i would expect it to be fixed -- other dives shut down if battery falls

Re: 2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on theFreerunner?

2008-08-13 Thread Sébastien Lorquet
+1415 :) 2008/8/13 Gilles Casse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Le mer 13/08/08 07:51, Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: Please issue it when it's READY and not on 2008.9.9 at 09:09:09 just for the fun of it. It depends on expectations, all respectable; some people are also interested in

Re: Using freerunner as a telephone

2008-08-13 Thread Tim Coggins
I found Qtopia had problems receiving calls when suspended and receiving text messages. Also pressing the keypad whilst making a call didn't work, rendering my voicemail useless for the calls I missed. It frequently displayed No network too, dispite being in an area with excellent coverage. Tim

Re: opkg upgrade - kernel not updated corectly - Om2008.8

2008-08-13 Thread Rod Whitby
Benedikt Schindler wrote: it's me again with an update problem of the kernel. i like kernels and i like to update them in a wrong way :) so here are my steps so far. Device: Freerunner rootfs: Om2008.8 kernel: Om2008.8 i installed the Om2008.8 and did a opkg update opkg upgrade.

Re: (NAND) boot problems with empty batteries ?

2008-08-13 Thread Evgeny Ginzburg
Harald Koenig wrote: Hi, when my gta02v5 battery is completely empty I have two problems booting again at all: 1) NAND u-boot does not work: after connecting AC charger I can start only NOR boot (aux button first), but the NAND boot (no aux button, only pwr button for 10+ seconds just

Re: 2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on theFreerunner?

2008-08-13 Thread Michele Renda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It will be very very nice _alpha_ release :) Gilles Casse wrote: So why not a next _alpha_ release on 2008.09.10 at 11:12:13 :-) Gilles -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla -

Re: OpenEinstein Newton emulator - Working?

2008-08-13 Thread Olivier Migeot
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always wonder why no one ever tried to build a modern newton like runtime. Not necessarily smalltalk, but maybe OpenStep/GNUStep... Something like mySTEP (http://www.quantum-step.com/wiki.php?page=mySTEP)? There's

FSO 20080812 not recommended

2008-08-13 Thread Craig B. Allen
This is personal opinion only, I have no special connection to FSO. The 20080812 build has these issues found in a brief trial: - no sound (no ring on incoming call, no sound in or out in call) - no suspend - no config I understand that daily builds are not expected to be usable. I am just

Re: What could be done to improve the OM development process?

2008-08-13 Thread Olivier Berger
Holger Freyther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wednesday 13 August 2008 00:05:14 Jeffery Davis wrote: 2. Better communication between the development community and the end user community. I have yet to see anyone say they're pleased as punch with the keyboard. When almost everyone is

Demo apps for 2008.8?

2008-08-13 Thread Christ van Willegen
Hi, I run a stock 2008.8 with a terminal and tangoGPS installed as 'new' apps. I was wondering if there are any must-have/wow-factor apps to install. Something to show off display clarity and/or accellerometers would be nice. At the moment I show off my phone by running the terminal (and

Re: Using freerunner as a telephone

2008-08-13 Thread Cédric Berger
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 13:49, Tim Coggins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found Qtopia had problems receiving calls when suspended and receiving text messages. Also pressing the keypad whilst making a call didn't work, rendering my voicemail useless for the calls I missed. It frequently displayed

Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-13 Thread Olivier Berger
Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This type of comments are the type of comment that I hate most of all. Please let the people to work in peace, and if you want to make an appoint, please make in a constructive way. We all was knowing that OM 2008.8 was in very early development, and

Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-13 Thread Michele Renda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Olivier Berger wrote: Please re-read http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/025619.html ! Hi Oliver Usually I do this 2-3 times, because I am not an enlgish native speaker. And with written text usually is a bit more difficult

Re: 2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-13 Thread Jay Vaughan
Please issue it when it's READY and not on 2008.9.9 at 09:09:09 just for the fun of it. Idea of Open Source projects is to release them before they're ready, to let community work on them as well. That would be fine in our case, *if* we could work on them concurrently, but there is so

Re: OpenEinstein Newton emulator - Working?

2008-08-13 Thread Jay Vaughan
Is there any interest? The large screen seems perfectly suited to a Newton Emulator and the Newton UI really is awesome to behold - just so intuitive! Hell yes, count me as interested. Also, anyone want to get a PalmOS emu running? That'd be wonderful, frankly .. ; -- Jay Vaughan

Re: opkg upgrade - kernel not updated corectly - Om2008.8

2008-08-13 Thread Jay Vaughan
I'm hoping that Openmoko build leader will announce a change to this policy, but at the moment you cannot get Om2008.08 updates from buildhost. Who is that, anyway? Its so confusing. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: IDA Systems Freerunner sales update

2008-08-13 Thread Ganesha Krishna
Hi, I have had a good experience with how IDAsystems handled their busyness with me, and I did a bank transfer my self ( probably one of the few who did so. that is why I am sticking my neck out here). Having said that, I completely understand your unwillingness to deposit money

which updates for Om 2008.8 ?

2008-08-13 Thread Harald Koenig
Hi, in Om 2008.8 all feeds in /etc/opkg/ go to http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/ is it ok to use http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/MMDD/ as update feed for Om 2008.8 ? if not, is there a recommended update feed for Om 2008.8 ? thanks,

Re: FSO 20080812 not recommended

2008-08-13 Thread Craig B. Allen
FSO daily builds (not sure if these are official, whatever that means): http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D -- Craig Allen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Using freerunner as a telephone

2008-08-13 Thread Tim Coggins
Thanks for that infomation. I did this testing on Saturday so I must of had a bad build. Can someone point me towards some good Qtopia images? I'd be really happy just to use the Neo as a phone to make and receive calls and text messages, then I'll put 2008.8 on the SD card for tangoGPS and dev

next Qtopia

2008-08-13 Thread Mike Baroukh
Does somebody knows when will next Qtopia version be relased (4.4) ? And do you know what will be inside ? (my hope : webbrowser and working gprs ...) Thanks. Mike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: which updates for Om 2008.8 ?

2008-08-13 Thread Rod Whitby
Harald Koenig wrote: in Om 2008.8 all feeds in /etc/opkg/ go to http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/ Correct. That is the Om2008.08 feed. is it ok to use http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/MMDD/ as update feed for Om 2008.8 ?

Re: IDA Systems Freerunner sales update

2008-08-13 Thread Flyin_bbb8
Yes but having a creditcard payment method is preferable than wire transfers, as you'll have to go to your bank, fill a form.. da da da... creditcard you just go to the website put the info there and you got it done much faster... plus in my situation i use an e-card, which is like a mastercard

Re: tangospg and 2008.8 - gui not drawing

2008-08-13 Thread Petr Vanek
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:42:42 +0300 Risto H. Kurppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] (RHK) wrote: I have contacted the developer (not about this though) to ask if there is a svn repo or something for the community to participate. He (Marcus Bauer) answered that there only the source codes of releases are

Re: IDA Systems Freerunner sales update

2008-08-13 Thread Stefano Cavallari
On Wednesday 13 August 2008 15:46:44 Flyin_bbb8 wrote: Yes but having a creditcard payment method is preferable than wire transfers, as you'll have to go to your bank, fill a form.. da da da... Decent banks have an online e-banking site. Wire transfers are generally cheaper too. Don't know in

Re: Any progress on the white screen of death problem?

2008-08-13 Thread Holger Freyther
On Wednesday 13 August 2008 09:47:51 Florian Lohoff wrote: In general do not mix feeds and repos, the result is not going to amuse you. So which repo line one should add/replace to be able to upgrade to the newer kernel? My simple approach was to add the daily feed from the buildhost

Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]

2008-08-13 Thread Olivier Berger
Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Be sure that this won't stop me from trying to be as constructive as I can in other technical areas. I apologize if I said you was not constructive, but according me is very important to let them to understand we want to be with them, and not against

Re: which updates for Om 2008.8 ?

2008-08-13 Thread Olivier Berger
Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if not, is there a recommended update feed for Om 2008.8 ? http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/ There is *no* other feed location for Om2008.08 at the moment, and Openmoko are *not* doing public daily builds of Om2008.08 ... -- Rod (not

Re: What could be done to improve the OM development process?

2008-08-13 Thread Jeffery Davis
I mistakenly sent this response via private email to Carsten when I meant to post it to the list. Original Message Subject:Re: What could be done to improve the OM development process? Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:58:41 -0400 From: Jeffery Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: What could be done to improve the OM development process?

2008-08-13 Thread arne anka
aaah - but this is what om wants! as per will's words (product management for OM): Everyone should fork. Everyone should create their own distribution ... this is om's intention and desire. Explain to me the reasoning behind forking the software at this point. silly me believing not

Re: Where are the Om2008.8 Updates?

2008-08-13 Thread Hans L
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Cliff Brake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Geoff Ruscoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to +1 this. No battery status only the charging lightning bolt (even when its not plugged in). Not sure if this is related, but I noticed, after

Re: What could be done to improve the OM development process?

2008-08-13 Thread Jeffery Davis
silly me believing not understanding irony was an entirely german disease ... He said the intention was basically 'fork early, fork often'. I simply asked 'Why?' He didn't explain the reasoning. ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-08-13 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Marcus Bauer wrote: gpsd works well and gypsy is not network capable. Simply using your Neo's GPS from your Laptop does not work. And especially for an application like tangoGPS it is inherently broken: every nav-application wants to have the raw NMEA and not some preprocessed stuff and the

Re: What could be done to improve the OM development process?

2008-08-13 Thread Jay Vaughan
Explain to me the reasoning behind forking the software at this point. What does it accomplish, besides paying lip service to choice? I'm thinking of the Bible story of Solomon and the two mothers here. What good is half a baby? Wait until there's something /worth/ forking. Can anyone

Re: What could be done to improve the OM development process?

2008-08-13 Thread Jay Vaughan
silly me believing not understanding irony was an entirely german disease ... He said the intention was basically 'fork early, fork often'. I simply asked 'Why?' He didn't explain the reasoning. There is no reasoning. Its a destructive policy, plain and simple. ; -- Jay Vaughan

Re: What could be done to improve the OM development process?

2008-08-13 Thread Norbert Hartl
On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 14:09 +0200, Olivier Berger wrote: Holger Freyther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wednesday 13 August 2008 00:05:14 Jeffery Davis wrote: 2. Better communication between the development community and the end user community. I have yet to see anyone say they're

Re: What could be done to improve the OM development process?

2008-08-13 Thread Holger Freyther
On Wednesday 13 August 2008 12:34:06 Norbert Hartl wrote: Don't forget the problem reports which are a valuable source of feedback for those developers. So the bugtracker is also for reporting bugs and enhancement wishes. It is. In the SIM PIN Dialog bug the log was really helpful to identify

Re: GPRS working (somewhat) with T-Mobile and Freerunner

2008-08-13 Thread C R McClenaghan
Thanks for the response, the ticket is number 88. Chris On Aug 12, 2008, at 6:39 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Hi Chris, Am Montag 11 August 2008 18:39:14 schrieb C R McClenaghan: There have now been several posts related to the successful use of GPRS on one or more of the software

ASU and sound - broken - how to fix it?

2008-08-13 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Hello, I am running ASU (daily builds) on my FR. Sound has been broken for a while now. When I do 'demg | grep snd' I get this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# dmesg | grep snd [ 35.92] snd: Unknown symbol mutex_lock [ 35.945000] snd_page_alloc: Unknown symbol mutex_lock [ 35.97] snd_timer:

Re: which updates for Om 2008.8 ?

2008-08-13 Thread Rod Whitby
Olivier Berger wrote: Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if not, is there a recommended update feed for Om 2008.8 ? http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/ There is *no* other feed location for Om2008.08 at the moment, and Openmoko are *not* doing public daily builds of

Re: Where are the Om2008.8 Updates?

2008-08-13 Thread Benedikt Schindler
Hans L schrieb: On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Cliff Brake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Geoff Ruscoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to +1 this. No battery status only the charging lightning bolt (even when its not plugged in). for me

Re: ASU and sound - broken - how to fix it?

2008-08-13 Thread Benedikt Schindler
Torfinn Ingolfsen schrieb: Hello, I am running ASU (daily builds) on my FR. Sound has been broken for a while now. When I do 'demg | grep snd' I get this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# dmesg | grep snd [ 35.92] snd: Unknown symbol mutex_lock [ 35.945000] snd_page_alloc: Unknown symbol

Re: where can i find the openmoko-contacts2 app source?

2008-08-13 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Am Mittwoch 13 August 2008 13:16:47 schrieb yuzhong shen: i cann't find it in the svn repository, or it hasn't released yet, could anybody help me? Please see svn.ohand.com. It's the 'hito' branch of their contacts application. -- :M: ___

Application to fade screen

2008-08-13 Thread Lynn Nguyen
Hello all-- I was wondering, is there some sort of application that will let me manually fade the openmoko screen to black? Similar to a screen saver? Thanks! Lynn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: What could be done to improve the OM development process?

2008-08-13 Thread Daniel Benoy
I don't know if I agree with the suggestions of this user, but since we're brainstorming, I have one thought :) Discrete components should be managed as separate packages with separate project pages and information and repositories and bug trackers and such. There's no reason for everything

Re: tangospg and 2008.8 - gui not drawing

2008-08-13 Thread Marcus Bauer
Hey guys, thanks for all your interest!!! I'm currently working like crazy and have a huge mail backlog, so please be patient with me if I don't answer in a timely manner. As with any open source project, well written patches that solve a bug are always welcome. Example: Pavel Machek has sent

Re: Application to fade screen

2008-08-13 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Hello all-- | | I was wondering, is there some sort of application that will let me | manually fade the openmoko screen to black? Similar to a screen saver? | Thanks! What are you, some kind of Goth? :-)

Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

2008-08-13 Thread Peter Trapp
Von: Marc Bantle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wolfgang Spraul wrote: 1. how many people want this? +1 +1 2. does anyone in the community step up and compile the distribution for GTA01? (there will be some work: size reduction, GPS chip, etc) I'd be fine with a tar.gz - image to put on

Re: Application to fade screen

2008-08-13 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | |/sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/backlight/pcf50633-bl/brightness Wow thunderbird thought it knew better... that's actually a greater-than symbol not a pipe symbol. - -Andy

Re: keyboard from buildhost in Om2008.8

2008-08-13 Thread Dirk Bergstrom
Benedikt Schindler wrote: I think this is the keyboard i wonna have. so, can someone give me a hint, witch package i have to use from this buildhost ... or witch files i have to save before i reflash my freerunner? Check out the destructions here:

How are kernels and distributions related?

2008-08-13 Thread Erland Lewin
Should kernels and distributions be seen as independent (that is, can I update a kernel separately from a distribution, and use one kernel with multiple distributions), or should they be seen as dependent (each distribution should have a separate kernel)? /Erland

Re: How are kernels and distributions related?

2008-08-13 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Should kernels and distributions be seen as independent (that is, can I | update a kernel separately from a distribution, and use one kernel with | multiple distributions), or should they be seen as

Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

2008-08-13 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 4:48 AM, Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For GTA01, we have no big plan yet but we will look at it next. The biggest problem that stops us is that we are extremely low on GTA01 phones :-) I am only aware of 1 (ONE) functioning GTA01 in the Taipei office. A bit

Re: 2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-13 Thread Roland Mas
Jay Vaughan, 2008-08-13 14:42:23 +0200 : Idea of Open Source projects is to release them before they're ready, to let community work on them as well. That would be fine in our case, *if* we could work on them concurrently, but there is so much cruft in dealing with the build environment -

Re: Qtopia issues with 4.3.2-080808

2008-08-13 Thread Paul Buede
Lorn Potter wrote: Paul Buede wrote: I am not sure the most appropriate place for this, so I will post my issues here and take them elsewhere if there is a better place for them. I flashed with the qtopia-4.3.2-080808-rootfs-08081019.jffs2 and

Illume patch/question

2008-08-13 Thread Thomas Köckerbauer
Hi As mentioned a few days ago I tried to add the operator name into the illume gsm gadget. I've created two patch files, one for the source and one for the freerunner.edc file which is used for illume.edj. The thing where I'm still struggling is the placement of the operator name label. I did

Re: which updates for Om 2008.8 ?

2008-08-13 Thread Jeffery Davis
steve wrote: Rod, Our QA includes community feedback. If we release early particular elements in the community will slam us. We expect that. If we hold back releases, other elements of the community will slam us. So we expect to be slammed no matter what we do. Fun job ehh? Armour

Re: 2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-13 Thread Steven **
The MokoMakefile is great. I've had it working for months. But I still don't know how I would contribute to OM. There's a wiki page about using the MokoMakefile to edit the existing packages. But I don't think that addresses actually contributing said changes back to OM. Maybe I'm just

Re: How are kernels and distributions related?

2008-08-13 Thread Jay Vaughan
Should kernels and distributions be seen as independent (that is, can I update a kernel separately from a distribution, and use one kernel with multiple distributions), or should they be seen as dependent (each distribution should have a separate kernel)? i think distributions

Re: 2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-13 Thread Jay Vaughan
Oh come on. After reading all your (and others') scary messages about that, I decided to give it a try. So I pointed my browser to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile. Half an hour later, I had a build in progress. Most of that half-hour was spent waiting for stuff to download,

Re: What could be done to improve the OM development process?

2008-08-13 Thread Russell Sears
Mike Baroukh wrote: Trust me, to avoid it, for a while I really considered shipping a console-image for the framework image, forcing people to ssh into to start getting familiar with the dbus services... Why try to avoid it? Isn't it the shortest path to a working phone? If the

Re: FSO 20080812 not recommended

2008-08-13 Thread Russell Sears
Craig B. Allen wrote: This is personal opinion only, I have no special connection to FSO. The 20080812 build has these issues found in a brief trial: - no sound (no ring on incoming call, no sound in or out in call) - no suspend - no config I understand that daily builds are not

Re: FSO 20080812 not recommended

2008-08-13 Thread John Reese
Russell Sears wrote: Thank you! There should be a wiki page for this. Perhaps a table with columns: Image name | Date | Recommended | URL downloaded from | Calls work? | SMS works? | GPS? | Wifi? | Bluetooth | Suspend works? | ... | Your name | Comments It's linked from the wiki's

Re: 2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-13 Thread Feydreva
Does Mokomakefile can build a 2008.8 more recent than the one release on August 08 of 2008 ? I setup the Makefile for OM_GIT_BRANCH := org.openmoko.asu.testing and run make openmoko-qtopia-x11-image Will I have the fake asu, like the one on the daily buildhost ? or will I have a 2008.8/ASU ? if

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