Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

[Nishit Dave]

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Nishit,
>
> The company that sold you your Freerunner offered you refund, already.
>
> I assumed that you would take this, leave the list and STOP FUCKING
> WHINING.
>
> I guess this was too much for me to hope for, huh?
>
> Dude, I will decide what to say, till the time I return the FR, if I decide
to do so.  If you don't like what I say, complain to the list maintainers.
Otherwise, hold your tongue or come up with a solution.

I have showed my commitment to a cause by putting my money where my mouth
is, and I didn't do it because I wanted to hop on to the embedded linux
shebang.  If I feel that I have been let down, I have every right to say
so.  Refunds do not make up for lost time.
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Re: [debian] Evince works and is nice for ebooks

[Nishit Dave]

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:59 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Frederic Leroy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Le Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:05:53 +0200,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
> >
> >> "Michele Renda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> writes:
> >>
> >> > I am currently using epdf and it work well too
> >>
> >> The nice thing IMHO with Evince is that it supports many formats:
> >> - djvu
> >> - pdf
> >> - cbz (xipped archive of images)
> >
> > Nice !
> >
> >> and some others.
> >
> > Does it support plucker(.pdb) files too ? I've got a lot of these.
>
> I'm not sure, but I dont think so.
>

Why can't we have GUIs redesigned for mobile screens? There are many
packages like epdfviewer etc. out there that just replicate the GUI used for
a PC.  The menu bar takes up too much space.  Menus need to scroll.  The
file open dialog is nearly impossible to use.

The qpe file manager is also a pain, so it becomes even more difficult to
have a roundabout solution.
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Re: [SPAM] Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4

[Kishore]

On Friday 03 Oct 2008 11:29:39 am Lorn Potter wrote:
> Kishore wrote:
> > On Friday 03 Oct 2008 4:46:45 am Lorn Potter wrote:
> >> Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:43:23 +0200
> >>>
> >>> Petr Vanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  No problem here. I reflashed previous QT snapshot 4.3 so i presume if
>  you use kernel from 4.3 you are ready to go.
> 
>  unless...I was also looking at the "services" screen or what it's
>  called in QT4.4 so i might have activated USB networking by an
>  accident and it's kernel independent? Check it out anyways.
> >>>
> >>> hmmm ... I'm guessing that image isn't the official released one, too
> >>> many bugs (old and new):
> >>>
> >>> - lots of kernel-warnings spit out during booting (using
> >>> uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin from I believe the
> >>> previous 4.3.x snapshot version). Or maybe this is a uimage issue?
> >>
> >> yes, this has nothng to do with qtextended.
> >
> > I get plenty of errors with regard to splash plugin not found. Seems like
> > there should have been a splash screen that is trying to be updated but
> > then it does not exist. And yes, boot it still slow.
>
> thats because I removed that, but some script is still trying to use it.
> It's harmless

OK. Harmless but still looks bad but no issue really.

> >>> - timezone management isn't working (the files just aren't there
> >>> in /usr/share/timezone). Also the time itself can't be changed.
> >>
> >> hmmm...
> >> indeed. sorry. I will update with a new image.
> >
> > I hope it will be possible to just upgrade from the current install i
> > just spent a few hours setting up the moko, transferring contacts etc.
> > (My previous motoming phone does not have an export all feature)
>
> ok. I will put up a ipkg of the needed zoneinfo files.

Thanks!

> >>> - echo problem is back
> >>
> >> odd.

I put in a SIM to test. Neither I nor the other side experience any echo.

> >>> - alarm keeps vibrating the phone, after pressing "snooze"
> >>> - each received call arrives twice, causing the second call to show up
> >>> as "missed"
> >>
> >> also odd. I haven't seen this.

When i answer a call it does register the same call as a missed call too. I 
have another issue where if the call was from an unknown contact and i wish to 
add to my contacts list, it would ask me if i want to create a new contact and 
there touch screen does not respond to my input on either of "yes" or "no" or 
elsewhere. I have to press the AUX button to recover.

Also when i choose to delete data from the call history, it okays my input but 
does not delete the entry.

> >>> The image is called 4.4.1, but my phone reports it as 4.4.2 ... I
> >>> thought it was going to be 4.4.3?
> >>
> >> Thats because its really a snapshot. which is just 4.4.1 + a few bug
> >> fixes.
> >
> > I do not use the FR as my primary phone yet so have not tested how well
> > it manages calls.
> >
> > Ps: Lorn, In your blog post for today, you mention dynamic rotation. Does
> > that mean it adjusts based on accelerometer reading? I could only find
> > one application where i had to tap on the screen to make it rotate.
>
> We have not done anything with motion sensors yet. So it is not automatic
> rotation on the Neo.

OK, Is there an API that one can use to write a small script daemon?
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Re: [SPAM] Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4

[Lorn Potter]

Kishore wrote:
> On Friday 03 Oct 2008 4:46:45 am Lorn Potter wrote:
>> Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:43:23 +0200
>>>
>>> Petr Vanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 No problem here. I reflashed previous QT snapshot 4.3 so i presume if
 you use kernel from 4.3 you are ready to go.

 unless...I was also looking at the "services" screen or what it's
 called in QT4.4 so i might have activated USB networking by an
 accident and it's kernel independent? Check it out anyways.
>>> hmmm ... I'm guessing that image isn't the official released one, too
>>> many bugs (old and new):
>>>
>>> - lots of kernel-warnings spit out during booting (using
>>> uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin from I believe the
>>> previous 4.3.x snapshot version). Or maybe this is a uimage issue?
>> yes, this has nothng to do with qtextended.
> 
> I get plenty of errors with regard to splash plugin not found. Seems like 
> there should have been a splash screen that is trying to be updated but then 
> it does not exist. And yes, boot it still slow.

thats because I removed that, but some script is still trying to use it. It's 
harmless

> 
>>> - timezone management isn't working (the files just aren't there
>>> in /usr/share/timezone). Also the time itself can't be changed.
>> hmmm...
>> indeed. sorry. I will update with a new image.
> 
> I hope it will be possible to just upgrade from the current install i just 
> spent a few hours setting up the moko, transferring contacts etc. (My 
> previous 
> motoming phone does not have an export all feature)

ok. I will put up a ipkg of the needed zoneinfo files.

> 
>>> - echo problem is back
>> odd.
>>
>>> - alarm keeps vibrating the phone, after pressing "snooze"
>>> - each received call arrives twice, causing the second call to show up
>>> as "missed"
>> also odd. I haven't seen this.
>>
>>> The image is called 4.4.1, but my phone reports it as 4.4.2 ... I
>>> thought it was going to be 4.4.3?
>> Thats because its really a snapshot. which is just 4.4.1 + a few bug fixes.
> 
> I do not use the FR as my primary phone yet so have not tested how well it 
> manages calls.
> 
> Ps: Lorn, In your blog post for today, you mention dynamic rotation. Does 
> that 
> mean it adjusts based on accelerometer reading? I could only find one 
> application where i had to tap on the screen to make it rotate.

We have not done anything with motion sensors yet. So it is not automatic 
rotation on the Neo.


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Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4

[Lorn Potter]

Vince M. Clark wrote:
> I switched a setting to make the menus do the wheel thing (didn't 
> realize what I was doing when I selected it) and now I cannot select 
> anything. Touchscreen doesn't respond to selection on the wheel. So now 
> I can't get to settings, apps, etc. Guess I'll re-flash.
> 
> While I was able to get to apps I don't recall seeing the webkit browser 
> or a GPS app. Am I missing something?

They are there in the 4.4.1 image. gps is called mappingdemo.



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Re: rescue my freerunner

[nickd]

Sergey Alembekov wrote:
> Hi, all.
> I played with network setting (add gprs on boot) and now my FR stuck in
> the middle of booting and i can't access via ssh throught usb.
> I don't whant to flash the rootfs becouse have no backup. So how can i rescue 
> it?
> Sorry, if it FAQ question.
>
>   
Worst case scenario, you might be able to create a backup of your rootfs 
(dfu-util -a rootfs -R -U backup_rootfs.jffs) and mount the image on 
loopback [1] and transfer your home directory back onto your Freerunner.

Maybe you could back it up onto your computer, mount on loopback, edit 
offending line, create jffs image, and reflash? Or maybe there is a 
single user mode you could access somehow.

-Nick

1. 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image#Mount_on_loopback_device

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Re: [SPAM] Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4

[gromez]

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:43:23 +0200
> Petr Vanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[...]

> - timezone management isn't working (the files just aren't there
> in /usr/share/timezone). Also the time itself can't be changed.

Same problem. A solution for getting the right date is to use the date
command from ssh.

> - echo problem is back

During a call, people notify me that they hear their own voice, so
echo problem is back.

> - alarm keeps vibrating the phone, after pressing "snooze"

I've tried alarm this morning and it worked fine.

> - each received call arrives twice, causing the second call to show up
> as "missed"

Similar problem with calls and text messages. Even if I read them it
seems they are never marked as read.

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rescue my freerunner

[Sergey Alembekov]

Hi, all.
I played with network setting (add gprs on boot) and now my FR stuck in
the middle of booting and i can't access via ssh throught usb.
I don't whant to flash the rootfs becouse have no backup. So how can i rescue 
it?
Sorry, if it FAQ question.

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Re: FDOM and WiFi

[Vince M. Clark]

eth0 definitely has no address. I'll check iwconfig. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Alex Osborne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
To: "List for Openmoko community discussion"  
Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 10:55:46 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver 
Subject: Re: FDOM and WiFi 

Vince M. Clark wrote: 
> If I open a terminal and run ifconfig all I have is 
> eth0, lo, and usb0. 

The wifi is eth0. Is there an address associated with it there? Also 
check the output of "iwconfig". If it has associated the AP then it 
should say "Access Point:" and then give the MAC address of the AP. 

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Re: FDOM and WiFi

[Alex Osborne]

Vince M. Clark wrote:
> If I open a terminal and run ifconfig all I have is 
> eth0, lo, and usb0.

The wifi is eth0.  Is there an address associated with it there?  Also 
check the output of "iwconfig".  If it has associated the AP then it 
should say "Access Point:" and then give the MAC address of the AP.

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FDOM and WiFi

[Vince M. Clark]

Using Mofi I can see my access point and when I tap on "connect to AP" it seems 
to connect (the circle changes from grey to orange) but I don't see an IP 
address. If I open a terminal and run ifconfig all I have is eth0, lo, and 
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Is it bottle neck in X or the kernel?

[Kishore]

My question here is: Is it X or is it the kernel that is the weak link that 
sometimes make the FR painfully slow to operate?

I now have qtextended 4.4.1 installed with the 4.3.2 release's kernel and the 
UI is really fast! When i first flashed 4.4.1 rootfs, i still had the kernel 
from FDOM and while the UI was first on first boot it became slow over time. 
FDOM was slow from the start.

Debian with XFCE OTOH was pretty fast and the change in kernel for qtextended 
made significant difference so i am thinking the slowness is likely kernel 
related.

Now with qtextended i still have a somewhat flaky audio playback. I have not 
tried video!

I would appreciate anyone throwing more light on the issue.
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Re: [debian] Sephora 0.2 pre alpha 1 - Impressions and suggestions needed

[Alex Osborne]

Hi Michele,

Michele Renda wrote:
> About the sources: I will start to work in a decent deb-src, but for now
> you can download the sources from the bazaar repository of the project

Have you committed the latest version to bazaar?  I couldn't see 
anything about --preload in there, so I extracted sephora.py from the 
deb instead.

> Adding more tabs I saw that the program start to become a bit slower. I
> worked on the code, and now I have to take some design decision.   The
> program can be launched from console with the parameter --preload : With
> this parameters the start will become slower but the first panel switch
> will be very fast.
> Without --preload the program start will be faster, but the first switch
> will be a bit slower.

Is it slow because of all the DBUS calls done on startup?  Maybe you 
could use asynchronous DBUS calls instead:

http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-python/doc/tutorial.html#making-asynchronous-method-calls

That way you could fire off the calls to fetch all the information on 
startup but since they're asynchronous it won't block the program and 
the user can start doing stuff.  When the information is returned from 
DBUS you can then update the widgets.

Cheers,

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Re: [SPAM] Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4

[Kishore]

On Friday 03 Oct 2008 4:46:45 am Lorn Potter wrote:
> Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> > On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:43:23 +0200
> >
> > Petr Vanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> No problem here. I reflashed previous QT snapshot 4.3 so i presume if
> >> you use kernel from 4.3 you are ready to go.
> >>
> >> unless...I was also looking at the "services" screen or what it's
> >> called in QT4.4 so i might have activated USB networking by an
> >> accident and it's kernel independent? Check it out anyways.
> >
> > hmmm ... I'm guessing that image isn't the official released one, too
> > many bugs (old and new):
> >
> > - lots of kernel-warnings spit out during booting (using
> > uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin from I believe the
> > previous 4.3.x snapshot version). Or maybe this is a uimage issue?
>
> yes, this has nothng to do with qtextended.

I get plenty of errors with regard to splash plugin not found. Seems like 
there should have been a splash screen that is trying to be updated but then 
it does not exist. And yes, boot it still slow.

> > - timezone management isn't working (the files just aren't there
> > in /usr/share/timezone). Also the time itself can't be changed.
>
> hmmm...
> indeed. sorry. I will update with a new image.

I hope it will be possible to just upgrade from the current install i just 
spent a few hours setting up the moko, transferring contacts etc. (My previous 
motoming phone does not have an export all feature)

> > - echo problem is back
>
> odd.
>
> > - alarm keeps vibrating the phone, after pressing "snooze"
> > - each received call arrives twice, causing the second call to show up
> > as "missed"
>
> also odd. I haven't seen this.
>
> > The image is called 4.4.1, but my phone reports it as 4.4.2 ... I
> > thought it was going to be 4.4.3?
>
> Thats because its really a snapshot. which is just 4.4.1 + a few bug fixes.

I do not use the FR as my primary phone yet so have not tested how well it 
manages calls.

Ps: Lorn, In your blog post for today, you mention dynamic rotation. Does that 
mean it adjusts based on accelerometer reading? I could only find one 
application where i had to tap on the screen to make it rotate.
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Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4

[Kishore]

On Friday 03 Oct 2008 1:33:01 am Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> > Yup! I have all of those issues you mention. Anyway, USB networking
> > is now working after i flashed mwester kernel. I am able to ssh but i
> > cannot connect to the internet. ping google.com gives me "ping: bad
> > address 'google.com'".
> >
> > I checked /etc/resolv.conf and it is empty.
>
> Fix the resolv issue by putting the line "nameserver A.B.C.D" in
> your /etc/resolv.conf (A.B.C.D being the IP of your own nameserver).
> Always needed for usb connections.
> But still ... too many issues found in 2 minutes of testing for this to
> be stable.

Yes thats what i did but i have to do this *every* time i connect even over 
wifi because the file seems to get overwritten. Something is wrong here as i 
use 
dhcp on the network and resolv.conf should automatically update to the 
gateway. It does seem to update but with a blank!
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Re: Wallpaper artist anyone ?

[BrendaWang]

Yes, I found this page get more picture today.
And I like these design. :-)
Welcome to join us.

Brenda


Minh Ha Duong ??:
> I see the artists and the CAD engineers are hot this week and like it. May I 
> seize this opportunity to get your attention to: 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Desktop_wallpaper_gallery
> which is a place to share Openmoko-themed full-screen high-quality images.
> So far we have only one, the "Blueprints" wallpaper. If you have other 
> beautiful images and need help with the wiki, I can help posting it.
>
> Yours,
> Minh
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Re: New Rasterman Image...

[The Rasterman]

On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:37:58 -0700 Steve Mosher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:

> I used to have a bunch of them when I was doing a NLG ( natural Language 
> generation) pet project. I sent you a link to US names as well. from the
> US census.
> For personal dictionaries, people could just run a simple word frequency 
> analysis   on their archived email,( there are GPL programs that do this 
> I believe, but its dead easy to write yourself) and import their email 
> contacts into the database.

in fact that is the idea of the "3" dictionaries the keyboard has. it has
"system" (which is base language - eg english), personal (any words they type
in at all go in here - they inherit frequency they had before but now gain in
count as they get used more), and.. "generated" dictionary
- ~/.e/e/dicts-dynamic/data.dic - this file is expected to be regularly
generated from the users sms's, emails, contact list etc. containing words from
their every-day activity - so that friend with a strange name... gets their
name into the dictionary pool this way. :)

> ( speeling mistakes might require some work, like the one I just did)
> If you had access to archived chats or chat logs you could pick up
> things like LOL, PITA, etc, or logs of SMS. There are some studies on 
> word frequency in SMS but I havent found a online resource.

yup. and as above. the idea of the generated dictionary would be to capture
these live as usage happens :) there's only so much hunting of data i can (and
will) do as a developer. it's a never-ending game of "gather more data into
dictionaries". i need to put in the mechanisms by which this is possible
(already done) and leave it up to the vast pool of users to fill that in for
each language, country, region etc. :)

> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:59:20 -0700 Steve Mosher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > babbled:
> > 
> > aha! a "decent" frequency corpus (a few thousand words). i'll merge this
> > with the default us dict (and remove the small one as now that's useless).
> > 
> >> Hey raster, How's it going.
> >>
> >> I promised you some frequency data a while back.
> >> http://ucrel.lancs.ac.uk/bncfreq/flists.html
> >> http://ucrel.lancs.ac.uk/bncfreq/lists/1_2_all_freq.txt
> >>
> >> there are others as well
> >>
> >> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:05:53 -0600 "Ori Pessach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> babbled:
> >>>
>  I understand what it's doing. It's not doing it well. I tried it for
>  shell
> >>> i disagree. it works like a charm for me - as per my previous mail - i can
> >>> use it while walking down the street. more than i can say for pretty much
> >>> any other virtual keyboard i have available to me.
> >>>
>  input, and it was an unusable mess. I tried it for text messaging, and it
> >>> why someone would use a language dictionary-based corrective keyboard for
> >>> shell input beats me! in this case i call "silly user - using a motorcycle
> >>> to deliver elephants" line :) use the terminal keyboard. use a stylus.
> >>> thats what it was meant for. :)
> >>>
>  was an unusable mess. It has no model of the likelihood of erroneous
>  input
> >>> it does. it absolutely does. maybe your fingers are incredibly off-center?
> >>> here is the algorithm (and if u don't believe me - code is there to be
> >>> read):
> >>>
> >>> it stores a press POINT (x,y). it looks for all keys whose center point is
> >>> WITHIN f distance of x,y (f being the fuzz value - the .kbd file for the
> >>> qwerty Default keyboard is 135 units wide, with fuzz radius of 20, so
> >>> that's about 1/3rd of the keyboard that it searches through for a likely
> >>> match). likelihood factors (distance) per key found is allocated based on
> >>> distance (0 == most likely, > 0 less likely the greater the value). each
> >>> press is done this way EXCEPT if u hold for 0.25 sec then drag to select
> >>> a key explicitly in zoom mode - then the ONLY key available for that word
> >>> slot is that letter selected given a distance of 0. as you type all
> >>> permutations of letters are searched and put into a list - with each
> >>> permutation given a distance metric based on the letters used (simply
> >>> addition of the distances). now this is combined with the dictionary's
> >>> frequency metric (multiplied by an inverse) so the more likely the word
> >>> is to be used the lower its distance becomes. words are sorted from most
> >>> to least likely based on this metric then listed with most likely in the
> >>> middle of the list, leas likely to the left/right ends - which you may
> >>> not see. the vertical list lists all matches from most to least likely
> >>> (top to bottom) with 1 exception - EXACTLY what u typed it as the top. it
> >>> absolutely has a fairly good idea of likelihood of error and likelihood
> >>> of usage of a word etc. etc.
> >>>
> >>> eg:
> >>>
> >>> Press | Guess+dist
> >>> e   e+0 w+1 r+2 d+2 s+1
> >>> r   r+0 t+1 e+

Re: How to build qt-extended?

[Jim Morris]

Cédric Berger wrote:
>> OpenSSL support . no
>>
>>
> 
> Is the SSL support activated in the released image on qtextended.org ?
> I guess it is still needed for ie. encrypted IMAP ?

It is activated in the released image. At least I can set the encryption on my 
email account.


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[debian] Sephora 0.2 pre alpha 1 - Impressions and suggestions needed

[Michele Renda]

Hello

I have a (bit) improved version of Sephora. It is still an alpha
version, and is very far to be complete and fully running. I will
release more alpha to keep you informed about the changes.

You can find the .deb package here:

https://launchpad.net/sephora/+download

About the sources: I will start to work in a decent deb-src, but for now
you can download the sources from the bazaar repository of the project

I worked more on GPS and Phone info (a bit more). I am still searching
for suggestion (I want to trasform my FR to the Gadget of Star Trek)

Realy, try it and report everything! :)

Homework:
Adding more tabs I saw that the program start to become a bit slower. I
worked on the code, and now I have to take some design decision. The
program can be launched from console with the parameter --preload : With
this parameters the start will become slower but the first panel switch
will be very fast.
Without --preload the program start will be faster, but the first switch
will be a bit slower.

I would like to know what you prefer to use. The version 0.1 was by
default with --preload.

Ah... try also --language=xx where xx is it, en, ro (and soon may be
other languages :)

So... enjoy!
Michele Renda

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Re: Neo FreeRunner CAD files

[Steve Mosher]

They are ProE. ( Also IGES) STEP files too I think
If you have autodesk inventor you Should be able to import these
( I have not independently verified this so YMMV)

http://newsletters.hagerman.com/newsletters/ebul59-Mech.htm

Not sure if that helps you.

If you post to the community list
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/
You may find that some people have done conversions.



Hugo Saito wrote:
> Hello, 
> 
> my co-worker and I purchased a Neo FreeRunner last July and trying view the 
> CAD files on your site. 

What file type are these CAD file? They are appear to some sort of Mac 
OSX type.

Unable to open them on autocad, just wanted to ask what type of CAD 
files they are so I can fine the appropriate software to open them. Thanks.
> 
> Respectfully,
> 
> Hugo Saito
> Project Engineer
> Horton Automation Inc.
> 8676 Commerce Court
> Burnaby, B.C. V5A 4N7
> Tel: 604-421-0110
> Fax: 604-421-0115
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Installing QT extended on SD

[Jonathan Schultz]

I've tried to install Qt extended 4.4 onto my SD, so I still have Qt 4.3 
to fall back on until I'm satisfied with 4.4  What happens when I boot 
is that the kernel appears to boot correctly and I can connect via USP 
but the display manager never starts.  I can however see that qpe is 
working hard, as is hald, but not at all clear what they are doing.

Possible issues that I can see:

Converting the jffs2 image into a tarball, I could find no clear 
instructions.  I mounted the image via a loopback device and created a 
tarball using:

> tar -czf ~/qtopia-4.4.1-gta02-rootfs-10011058.tar.gz /*

I can imagine that there may be some other options to the tar command 
that may resolve some issue.

The other potential problem that I can see is that Qt wants to be 
installed on a flash chip.  I applied the fix described here: 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia#Pointing_Qtopia_to_the_SD_Card 
However it's not clear that the same fix works for Qt extended.

Any suggestions?

Jonathan

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Re: [SPAM] Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4

[Lorn Potter]

Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:43:23 +0200
> Petr Vanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>
>> No problem here. I reflashed previous QT snapshot 4.3 so i presume if
>> you use kernel from 4.3 you are ready to go.
>>
>> unless...I was also looking at the "services" screen or what it's
>> called in QT4.4 so i might have activated USB networking by an
>> accident and it's kernel independent? Check it out anyways.
>>
> 
> hmmm ... I'm guessing that image isn't the official released one, too
> many bugs (old and new):
> 
> - lots of kernel-warnings spit out during booting (using
> uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin from I believe the
> previous 4.3.x snapshot version). Or maybe this is a uimage issue?

yes, this has nothng to do with qtextended.

> - timezone management isn't working (the files just aren't there
> in /usr/share/timezone). Also the time itself can't be changed.
hmmm...
indeed. sorry. I will update with a new image.

> - echo problem is back

odd.

> - alarm keeps vibrating the phone, after pressing "snooze"
> - each received call arrives twice, causing the second call to show up
> as "missed"

also odd. I haven't seen this.

> 
> The image is called 4.4.1, but my phone reports it as 4.4.2 ... I
> thought it was going to be 4.4.3?

Thats because its really a snapshot. which is just 4.4.1 + a few bug fixes.




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Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd



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Re: gsmhandset state file to test

[azmodie]

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> David Samblas wrote:
> > Hi there on of our colleges[1] of the spanish list has provided us with
> > an gsmhanset state file that "solves" low volume on call reciver , I
> > have barelly tested it alone with a phone en each ear :). I will test it
> > further along the day and post the results, any one else willing to try
> > is wellcome to do it.
> >
> > from neo or ssh console
> > cd /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/
> > mv gsmhandset.state gsmhandset.state.original
> > wget http://n2.nabble.com/attachment/1129707/0/gsmhandset.state
> >
> > [1]The original post
> > http://n2.nabble.com/-Fwd%3A-eco-y-audio--tc1129707ef1958.html
> >
>

I been using this for last couple of days.
definatley makes a big improvment. call from my side seems fine and other
person could hear me clearly.
although there  was a constant buzz. the buzz is quiet and sounds a bit like
signal interference.


thanks for posting.

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Re: New Rasterman Image...

[Steve Mosher]

  I suppose I could compile a list of the academic books done on SMS,
contact the authors, and see if they are willing to cough up the data.
For oneline dictionaries with no frequency data you have several 
dictionaries, like

http://www.netlingo.com/emailsh.cfm

Have not found any downloadable lists with freq data.

Joel Newkirk wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:37:58 -0700, Steve Mosher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> I used to have a bunch of them when I was doing a NLG ( natural Language
>> generation) pet project. I sent you a link to US names as well. from the
>> US census.
>> For personal dictionaries, people could just run a simple word frequency
>> analysis   on their archived email,( there are GPL programs that do this
>> I believe, but its dead easy to write yourself) and import their email
>> contacts into the database.
>> ( speeling mistakes might require some work, like the one I just did)
>> If you had access to archived chats or chat logs you could pick up
>> things like LOL, PITA, etc, or logs of SMS. There are some studies on
>> word frequency in SMS but I havent found a online resource.
>>
> 
> I was thinking of a quickie program to scan the ~/.bash_history on my
> desktop and generate frequency data for command names... ;)  Take
> everything up to the first space, strip off any path, count and insert in
> dict.  (unfortunately the command history on the FR is by default VERY VERY
> short, I've not investigated how to extend it)
> 
> More useful would be if someone can scare up a thorough list of common SMS
> shorthand, like 'cul8r' and what-not.  (don't know how that'd work out
> though, with numeric characters embedded)
> 
> j
> 
> 

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Re: Re: [FDOM] Kernel panic?

[Matthew]

David Samblas wrote:
> Hi Matthew please verify if you have downloaded the full file because
> sometimes the compartida.net server truncate the file to make sure you
> have downloaded use wget -c and the url of the file, or better use one
> of the mirrors of the wiki adn try again.
>
>
> El jue, 02-10-2008 a las 16:04 -0400, Matthew Lane escribió:
>   
>> I'm getting a kernel panic when I flash the lastest FDOM (20080927).  
>> I'm using the latest 2008.9 kernel, could this be the issue?  FDOM 
>> doesn't seem to supply a kernel to use, but I'd think that the 2008.09 
>> kernel would be fine.
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Re: How to build qt-extended?

[Lorn Potter]

Nicola Mfb wrote:
> I'm trying to build qt-extended myself, but build process fails, anyone 
> may help?
> 
> This is what i did:
> 
> cd /opt
> wget http://qtextended.org/downloads/neo/arm920t-eabi-ficgta01-toolchain.tgz
> tar xzvfC arm920t-eabi-ficgta01-toolchain.tgz /
> wget 
> http://qtextended.org/downloads/source/qt-extended-opensource-src-4.4.1.tar.gz
> tar xvzf qt-extended-opensource-src-4.4.1.tar.gz
> mkdir build
> cd build
> export QTOPIA_DEPOT_PATH=/opt/qt-extended-4.4.1
> $QTOPIA_DEPOT_PATH/configure -device neo
> 
> it results in:
> 
> 
> ***
> Configuring Qt Extended (expanded commandline):
> -using-device neo -ui-type mobile -dynamic-rotation -ssl -dbus -libamr
> -pictureflow -add-mediaengines cruxus -add-modules bluetooth 
> -add-modules cell
> -add-modules connectivity -add-modules devtools -add-modules essentials
> -add-modules games -add-modules inputmethods -add-modules location 
> -add-modules
> media -add-modules messaging -add-modules pim -add-modules pkgmanagement
> -add-modules telephony -add-modules ui -displaysize 480x640 -font
> dejavu_sans_condensed:10,12,13,16,28:50 -font
> dejavu_sans_condensed:13,14,15,16,20,21,23,32,36:75 -xplatform linux-neo-g++
> -arch arm -languages en_US -prefix /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia
> -extra-qtopiacore-config -qt-mouse-tslib -sound-system alsa -mkconf -make
> /usr/bin/gmake -no-save-options -make /usr/bin/gmake -using-mkconf
> -no-save-options
> ***
> 
> 
> This is the Qt Extended Open Source Edition.
> 
> You are licensed to use this software under the terms of the GPL.
> Please see the file LICENSE.GPL for the licensing terms.
> 
> Type 'yes' to accept this license offer.
> Type 'no' to decline this license offer.
> 
> Do you accept this license agreement? yes
> 
> Testing the system Qt: OK
> Qt Extended is using the following locations:
> Qt  PREFIX  = /usr
> Qt  LIBRARIES   = /usr/lib/qt4
> Qt  BINARIES= /usr/bin
> Qt  HEADERS = /usr/include/qt4
> Qt Embedded SOURCE tree = /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1/qtopiacore/qt
> Qt Embedded BUILD  tree = /opt/build/qtopiacore/target
> Qt Extended SOURCE tree = /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1
> Qt Extended BUILD  tree = /opt/build
> Qt Extended SDKtree = /opt/build/sdk
> 
> Checking the compiler (host): OK (GCC 4, Little Endian)
> Checking the compiler (target): OK (GCC 4, Little Endian)
> Bootstrap QBuild: ... OK
> Testing QBuild: OK
> Testing for ALSA: OK
> Testing Qt Extended Media Engines: cruxus
> Checking QMAKE_RPATH: -Wl,-rpath-link,
> Testing for OpenSSL: FAIL
> ERROR: You requested -ssl but it was disabled.
> gmake: *** [src/build/mkconf/configure] Error 1
> 
> adding -no-ssl switch to configure line:
> 
> 
> ***
> Configuring Qt Extended (expanded commandline):
> -using-device neo -ui-type mobile -dynamic-rotation -ssl -dbus -libamr
> -pictureflow -add-mediaengines cruxus -add-modules bluetooth 
> -add-modules cell
> -add-modules connectivity -add-modules devtools -add-modules essentials
> -add-modules games -add-modules inputmethods -add-modules location 
> -add-modules
> media -add-modules messaging -add-modules pim -add-modules pkgmanagement
> -add-modules telephony -add-modules ui -displaysize 480x640 -font
> dejavu_sans_condensed:10,12,13,16,28:50 -font
> dejavu_sans_condensed:13,14,15,16,20,21,23,32,36:75 -xplatform linux-neo-g++
> -arch arm -languages en_US -prefix /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia
> -extra-qtopiacore-config -qt-mouse-tslib -sound-system alsa -no-ssl -mkconf
> -make /usr/bin/gmake -no-save-options -make /usr/bin/gmake -using-mkconf
> -no-save-options
> ***
> 
> 
> This is the Qt Extended Open Source Edition.
> 
> You are licensed to use this software under the terms of the GPL.
> Please see the file LICENSE.GPL for the licensing terms.
> 
> Type 'yes' to accept this license offer.
> Type 'no' to decline this license offer.
> 
> Do you accept this license agreement? yes
> 
> Testing the system Qt: OK
> Qt Extended is using the following locations:
> Qt  PREFIX  = /usr
> Qt  LIBRARIES   = /usr/lib/qt4
> Qt  BINARIES= /usr/bin
> Qt  HEADERS = /usr/include/qt4
> Qt Embedded SOURCE tree = /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1/qtopiacore/qt
> Qt Embedded BUILD  tree = /opt/build/qtopiacore/target
> Qt Extended SOURCE tree = /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1
> Qt Extended BUILD  tree = /opt/build
> Qt Extended SDKtree = /opt/build/sdk
> 
> Checking the compiler (host): OK (GCC 4, Little Endian)
> Checking the compiler (target): OK (GCC 4, Little Endian)
> Bootstrap QBuild: ... OK
> Testing QBuild: OK
> Testing for ALSA: OK
> Testing Qt Extended Media Engines: cruxus
> Checking QMAKE_RPATH:

Re: [debian] going to install - hints?

[Neil Jerram]

2008/10/2 Davide Scaini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> and what about the boot speed-up script: is that useful?

Sorry, I haven't tried that, so can't say.

 Neil

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Re: dead battery

[Shawn "prjktdtnt" Thompson]

Vince M. Clark wrote:
> No it is definitely the power button (the round one below the usb 
> plug) staying lit red. I'm running the FSO image.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Angus Ainslie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" 
> 
> Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 12:28:19 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver
> Subject: Re: dead battery
>
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Vince M. Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>
> I ran down to Batteries Plus and picked up a Rayovac replacement
> that fits. It doesn't come charged but has enough charge to at
> least jump start my fr. I put in the new battery, plugged in the
> usb cable, and was able to boot.
>
> Then I took out the Rayovac battery and put the original battery
> back in. Device stayed running and I am hoping the battery is
> charging. The power button is staying illuminated and is red. Any
> idea what that means?
>
>
> I think you mean the AUX button is staying lit. That means its charging.
>
> The power button is the round one.
>
> Angus
>
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If you're running FSO the Power button turns orange while charging where 
in ASU the AUX button lights while charging.
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Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4

[Vince M. Clark]

I switched a setting to make the menus do the wheel thing (didn't realize what 
I was doing when I selected it) and now I cannot select anything. Touchscreen 
doesn't respond to selection on the wheel. So now I can't get to settings, 
apps, etc. Guess I'll re-flash. 

While I was able to get to apps I don't recall seeing the webkit browser or a 
GPS app. Am I missing something? 

I agree, not quite stable yet. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Franky Van Liedekerke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
To: "List for Openmoko community discussion"  
Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 2:03:01 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver 
Subject: Re: Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4 

On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 00:08:55 +0530 
Kishore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

> On Thursday 02 Oct 2008 11:53:46 pm Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: 
> > On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:43:23 +0200 
> > 
> > Petr Vanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> > > No problem here. I reflashed previous QT snapshot 4.3 so i 
> > > presume if you use kernel from 4.3 you are ready to go. 
> > > 
> > > unless...I was also looking at the "services" screen or what it's 
> > > called in QT4.4 so i might have activated USB networking by an 
> > > accident and it's kernel independent? Check it out anyways. 
> > 
> > hmmm ... I'm guessing that image isn't the official released one, 
> > too many bugs (old and new): 
> > 
> > - lots of kernel-warnings spit out during booting (using 
> > uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin from I believe the 
> > previous 4.3.x snapshot version). Or maybe this is a uimage issue? 
> > - timezone management isn't working (the files just aren't there 
> > in /usr/share/timezone). Also the time itself can't be changed. 
> > - echo problem is back 
> > - alarm keeps vibrating the phone, after pressing "snooze" 
> > - each received call arrives twice, causing the second call to show 
> > up as "missed" 
> > 
> > The image is called 4.4.1, but my phone reports it as 4.4.2 ... I 
> > thought it was going to be 4.4.3? 
> 
> Yup! I have all of those issues you mention. Anyway, USB networking 
> is now working after i flashed mwester kernel. I am able to ssh but i 
> cannot connect to the internet. ping google.com gives me "ping: bad 
> address 'google.com'". 
> 
> I checked /etc/resolv.conf and it is empty. 

Fix the resolv issue by putting the line "nameserver A.B.C.D" in 
your /etc/resolv.conf (A.B.C.D being the IP of your own nameserver). 
Always needed for usb connections. 
But still ... too many issues found in 2 minutes of testing for this to 
be stable. 

Franky 

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Re: [debian] Top bar does not appear

[Shawn "prjktdtnt" Thompson]

Denis Galvão wrote:
> On 02/10/2008, at 16:53, arne anka wrote:
>
>   
>> no.
>> but fso has it's own life independent of debian -- otoh debian on fr  
>> makes
>> only sense when using fso.
>> 
>
> So, the FSO are a bunch o deb packages for Debian to communicate with  
> the Dbus. Right?
>
>   
>> well, it _is_ a bit confusing, but the wiki has at least one page
>> explaining the different terms and their relationships.
>> 
>
> Im really "eating" the wiki, maybe this why Im confused.
>
> Will continue learning...
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Denis Galvão
> AsteriskBrasil.org
>
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> http://www.voipmania.com.br
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I'll go down the list to give a quick overview where possible.

FSO is a framework distribution. It is not actually related to debian 
specifically. Debian made its port of the armv4 branch compatible and 
added the FSO packages to make it run on the FR. FSO can actually be run 
as it's own system without Debian installed.

OM200X.Y are distributions focused more on creating the UI for the 
phone. If it can be done in FSO it might not be in OM and vice-versa.

The other distributions haven't come up in this thread so I'll not add 
any additional confusion by talking about any other software for the phone.

-Shawn

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Re: [FDOM] Kernel panic?

[David Samblas]

Hi Matthew please verify if you have downloaded the full file because
sometimes the compartida.net server truncate the file to make sure you
have downloaded use wget -c and the url of the file, or better use one
of the mirrors of the wiki adn try again.


El jue, 02-10-2008 a las 16:04 -0400, Matthew Lane escribió:
> I'm getting a kernel panic when I flash the lastest FDOM (20080927).  
> I'm using the latest 2008.9 kernel, could this be the issue?  FDOM 
> doesn't seem to supply a kernel to use, but I'd think that the 2008.09 
> kernel would be fine.
> 
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[FDOM] Kernel panic?

[Matthew Lane]

I'm getting a kernel panic when I flash the lastest FDOM (20080927).  
I'm using the latest 2008.9 kernel, could this be the issue?  FDOM 
doesn't seem to supply a kernel to use, but I'd think that the 2008.09 
kernel would be fine.

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Re: Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4

[Franky Van Liedekerke]

On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 00:08:55 +0530
Kishore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thursday 02 Oct 2008 11:53:46 pm Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> > On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:43:23 +0200
> >
> > Petr Vanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > No problem here. I reflashed previous QT snapshot 4.3 so i
> > > presume if you use kernel from 4.3 you are ready to go.
> > >
> > > unless...I was also looking at the "services" screen or what it's
> > > called in QT4.4 so i might have activated USB networking by an
> > > accident and it's kernel independent? Check it out anyways.
> >
> > hmmm ... I'm guessing that image isn't the official released one,
> > too many bugs (old and new):
> >
> > - lots of kernel-warnings spit out during booting (using
> > uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin from I believe the
> > previous 4.3.x snapshot version). Or maybe this is a uimage issue?
> > - timezone management isn't working (the files just aren't there
> > in /usr/share/timezone). Also the time itself can't be changed.
> > - echo problem is back
> > - alarm keeps vibrating the phone, after pressing "snooze"
> > - each received call arrives twice, causing the second call to show
> > up as "missed"
> >
> > The image is called 4.4.1, but my phone reports it as 4.4.2 ... I
> > thought it was going to be 4.4.3?
> 
> Yup! I have all of those issues you mention. Anyway, USB networking
> is now working after i flashed mwester kernel. I am able to ssh but i
> cannot connect to the internet. ping google.com gives me "ping: bad
> address 'google.com'".
> 
> I checked /etc/resolv.conf and it is empty.

Fix the resolv issue by putting the line "nameserver A.B.C.D" in
your /etc/resolv.conf (A.B.C.D being the IP of your own nameserver).
Always needed for usb connections.
But still ... too many issues found in 2 minutes of testing for this to
be stable.

Franky

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Re: [debian] Top bar does not appear

[Denis Galvão]

On 02/10/2008, at 16:53, arne anka wrote:

> no.
> but fso has it's own life independent of debian -- otoh debian on fr  
> makes
> only sense when using fso.

So, the FSO are a bunch o deb packages for Debian to communicate with  
the Dbus. Right?

> well, it _is_ a bit confusing, but the wiki has at least one page
> explaining the different terms and their relationships.

Im really "eating" the wiki, maybe this why Im confused.

Will continue learning...

Thanks,
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AsteriskBrasil.org

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Re: [debian] Top bar does not appear

[arne anka]

> BTW What I wanna mean is if it is possible to have the openmoko-panel-
> plugin running on the zhone-session, the default one for Debian on
> freerunner.

if you have _only_ zhone running (ie no xfce or what desktop/window  
manager ever), the answer is no.
if you use xfce and start zhone as application inside -- add it to xfce's  
autostarts.

/usr/bin/zhone-session is simple script calling zhone,  
matchbox-keyboard-toggle and the matchbox wm.
comment everything out (you might leave matchbox-keyboard-toggle to acces  
the keyboard when pressing aux) and put startxfce4 at the end.
mine looks like this:

#!/bin/sh

matchbox-keyboard-toggle &
/usr/bin/startxfce4

and i have zhone and openmoko-panel-plugin as autostarts in xfce.

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Re: [debian] Top bar does not appear

[arne anka]

> But why you refer to Debian/FSO? Is the arm repo mainteined by the FSO
> team?

no.
but fso has it's own life independent of debian -- otoh debian on fr makes  
only sense when using fso.

> OM does not use FSO?

not yet.
it is supposed to be the next step (internally) -- but afaik the 200X.Y  
tagged distributions do not use it.

> Im kind lost on all terminology...

well, it _is_ a bit confusing, but the wiki has at least one page  
explaining the different terms and their relationships.

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Re: Debian installer internal error

[Joachim Breitner]

Hi,

Am Donnerstag, den 02.10.2008, 17:30 + schrieb Matthias Camenzind:
> I tried four times to install debian on a 2GB SD. I installed once a working 
> fine debian but I've broken the SD card. Now I get always this error:
> P: Configuring helper cdebootstrap-helper-apt
> E: Internal error: install
> 
> Exists something i could do?

thanks for trying out Debian. I quote the FAQ from
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner:

During the "debian" stage of the install, what does "E: Internal error:
install" mean and how do I fix it? 

  * One possible cause is a problem with the armel packages in
Debian. Check /mnt/debian/var/log/bootstrap.log for dependency
problems or the like. 

  * If corrupt packages appear, then it might be related to the
microSD card used in the installation, as explained in the
discussion at the smartphones-standards. Other information are
available in the upstream bug. 

So please check the bootstrap.log, it might help you on.

Greetings,
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Re: [debian] Top bar does not appear

[Denis Galvão]

BTW What I wanna mean is if it is possible to have the openmoko-panel- 
plugin running on the zhone-session, the default one for Debian on  
freerunner.

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On 02/10/2008, at 16:04, arne anka wrote:

>> Running OM2008.8 I cant start an xterm session, how could I do it?
>
> 2008.8 != debian/fso
>
>> I just installed xfce4, it is runnig well, but slowly...
>>
>> How could I start OM2008.8 with zhone and the openmoko-panel-plugin  
>> at
>> start up?
>
> not at all afaik.
> 2008.8 is one distribution for freerunner, debain/fso another.
> zhone belongs to fso.
> openmoko-panel-plugin otoh requires xfce or a compatible  
> windowmanager.
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Re: [debian] Top bar does not appear

[Denis Galvão]

Thanks Arne.

I got the point. (At least I think i got it)

But why you refer to Debian/FSO? Is the arm repo mainteined by the FSO  
team?

OM does not use FSO?

Im kind lost on all terminology...

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On 02/10/2008, at 16:04, arne anka wrote:

>> Running OM2008.8 I cant start an xterm session, how could I do it?
>
> 2008.8 != debian/fso
>
>> I just installed xfce4, it is runnig well, but slowly...
>>
>> How could I start OM2008.8 with zhone and the openmoko-panel-plugin  
>> at
>> start up?
>
> not at all afaik.
> 2008.8 is one distribution for freerunner, debain/fso another.
> zhone belongs to fso.
> openmoko-panel-plugin otoh requires xfce or a compatible  
> windowmanager.
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Re: Suspend vs. Lock vs. Screen Off

[David Pottage]

Jason Cawood wrote:
> I'm using the latest FDOM, I believe it's based on 2008.09.  My question is
> what is the fundamental difference between pressing the power button to
> cause the phone to suspend, pressing the aux button to make the phone lock
> the screen and not pressing any buttons and letting the software timeout. 
> Mainly, I'm interested in battery life and how each action reduces power
> consumption. 
>   
When the device suspends Linux gets suspended to RAM in the same way as 
you can suspend most laptops. In this state the CPU and memory use very 
little power. The GSM module and parts of the chipset remain powered, so 
you should will still receive incoming calls and SMS messages. The idea 
is that the Main CPU will wake up if it receves and interupt from the 
GSM module, the power key or from varous other sources, but the rest of 
the time it will be suspended and use little power. This creates the 
illusion of being always on, but in fact only being on when the user is 
trying to use the device. Most modern GSM handsets work in the same way.

If you leave the device without pressing any buttons the screen 
backlight will go out. This saves a substantial amount of power but not 
as much as suspending. Depending on your settings, your freerunner may 
suspend after a time with the backlight out.

Pressing the Aux key to lock the screen does just that. The phone will 
turn out the back light or suspend according to it's settings.

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[debian] moving installation from sd card to flash

[arne anka]

a few questions:
- to move an installation from sd card to flash: is it sensible/sufficient  
to delete everything from flash and copy from sd card?
creating a jffs image and flash it to the fr seems rather long-winded.
- to those havin debian in flash: what do you have in flash what on sd? my  
debian uses about 600mb which is clearly too much for the 256mb flash --  
but what should (eg for better performance) reside in flash?
- what about the suspend/resume corruption? running from sd entirely never  
caused any problems, but that might change when running from flash -- and  
since the apm suspend/resume scripts are not executed, the workarounds  
form 200X.Y are pretty useless.

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Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

[Wolfgang Spraul]

vale,

> i think this should also be a high priority aspect to work on for  
> Openmoko.

It is, and for Atheros too.
We are working on improving the driver (there are several driver  
variants actually), we are working on getting all of this into  
mainline kernel.org, we are working with Atheros to open up more  
possibilities with regards to reflashing the chip, providing 'thin'  
firmwares that allow monitor/injection modes etc.

Any help is appreciated, bug reports with clear reproduction steps are  
very helpful too.
Best Regards,
Wolfgang

On Oct 2, 2008, at 9:19 PM, vale wrote:

>
> calm down,
>
> its a fact, that freerunners wlan is far away from optimum.
>
> try a wget shortly after doing ifup eth0 -> everything works
> try wget some minutes later (no suspend/resume in between) from same  
> server
> -> no download, even if ping still works
> ifdown eth0, ifup eth0 -> wget works again
>
> same with opkg install, update, upgrade etc.
>
> under 2007.2, 2008.08, debian ...
>
> -> wlan drivers not working well
>
> i think this should also be a high priority aspect to work on for  
> Openmoko.
>
> bye
>
> vale
>
> Stroller-2 wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 1 Oct 2008, at 12:28, Nishit Dave wrote:
>>>
>>> All this discussion does not help if you realize that even after
>>> placing the FR *next* to the blooming router, you get reported a
>>> signal strength of 65%.  What does the hardware expect, building the
>>> router *inside* the FR?
>>
>> Nishit,
>>
>> The company that sold you your Freerunner offered you refund,  
>> already.
>>
>> I assumed that you would take this, leave the list and STOP FUCKING
>> WHINING.
>>
>> I guess this was too much for me to hope for, huh?
>>
>> Stroller.
>>
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Re: [debian] Top bar does not appear

[arne anka]

> Running OM2008.8 I cant start an xterm session, how could I do it?

2008.8 != debian/fso

> I just installed xfce4, it is runnig well, but slowly...
>
> How could I start OM2008.8 with zhone and the openmoko-panel-plugin at
> start up?

not at all afaik.
2008.8 is one distribution for freerunner, debain/fso another.
zhone belongs to fso.
openmoko-panel-plugin otoh requires xfce or a compatible windowmanager.

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Re: Debian installer internal error

[arne anka]

> Exists something i could do?


you probably need to fiddle with the sd clock. search the archives and the  
wiki, there should be a few postings/entries how to do that either in  
u-boot-menu or in sysfs.

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Re: New Rasterman Image...

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> it does have concept of frequency orf words. i just dont have any DATA for
> that. the dict format handles is:
> word1
> word2
> word3
> 
> OR
> word1 20
> word2 434
> word3 1

I was thinking to a way to automatize this a while ago, but I wrote
something just now...
The basic idea is that of using the google number of results for each
word and using this value as a frequency number (well, I know these
numbers are often too much great, so I guess that they should be
re-analyzed and lowered but I had no time to do this now :P).

So this is a little utility I wrote [1] to check the frequency of each
word and writing back a new dictionary with frequency data.

To run it you need php-cli (I guess v5 or above), set the given options,
do "php words-popularity.php" and wait the work to be finished! :P

It could be a long work, but it should give good results.

PS: I've used php since I run it both on my PC and on a server (dividing
the work) where I've ssh access but in which I can run by command line
just a little subset of languages, and php is one of this.

[1] http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/openmoko/words-popularity.phps

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Re: which u-boot?

[Joel Newkirk]

Yes.

v5 is the design revision of the first retail Freerunners, earlier versions
of GTA02 were never manufactured in significant quantities.

j

On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:12:48 -0600 (MDT), "Vince M. Clark"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is this u-boot safe for any gta02? What is the "v5_and_up" for?
> 
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin
> 
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Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

[vale]

thats cool ... wish it would work here too,

but my experience is different. doesn't matter if i try @university @home
@public places or @highly secured wlans with project partners.

wlan gets stuck after a few minutes of inactivity. i don't know why. 

how can i stop this power thing over wlan? perhaps that is the problem ...

i like my freerunner, but sometimes its frustrating not beeing able to rely
on basic things as wlan is.

i hope its getting better soon :)

vale




Matthias Apitz wrote:
> 
> El día Thursday, October 02, 2008 a las 04:39:01PM +0100, Alastair Johnson
> escribió:
> 
>> vale wrote:
>> > add a sleep 500 to your loop ;)  
> 
> I run this script for an hour or so:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat wifi.sh 
> #!/bin/sh
> cd /tmp
> while true; do
> 
> rm 1M
> wget http://www.unixarea.de/1M
> date ; echo -n "now sleeping 300 sec ... "
> sleep 300
> echo awaked
> 
> done
> 
> and there has been no problem all this time; as well ifconfig does not
> show any error packets:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifconfig eth0
> eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:12:CF:8E:FC:5F  
>   inet addr:192.168.2.100  Bcast:192.168.2.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
>   inet6 addr: fe80::212:cfff:fe8e:fc5f/64 Scope:Link
>   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>   RX packets:302728 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:131532 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
>   RX bytes:454345265 (433.2 MiB)  TX bytes:10145574 (9.6 MiB)
> 
> and if you compare the RX/TX values with those from the last post:
> 
>   RX packets:285483 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:121870 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
>   RX bytes:431367301 (411.3 MiB)  TX bytes:9439240 (9.0 MiB)
> 
> you see that moving from office to my home, i.e. from one AP to another,
> I did not rebooted; I just ifdow / ifup with my script the eth0
> interface;
> 
>> > 
>> > which image / kernel are you using?
>> 
>> You should perhaps ask what AP he's using, or whether he has the power 
>> management enabled on the wifi. Some APs apparently get upset by power 
>> managed devices, and the Freerunner enables power management of the wifi 
>> by default to preserve battery. My wrt54g certainly gets upset from time 
>> to time if I connect with the freerunner, sometimes refusing to talk to 
>> _anything_ over wifi afterwards until rebooted.
> 
> my AP at home is a SMCWBR14-G2 EU one; regardless of the FR already in
> the past sometime this get stuck and needs a power-cycle; not during the
> test today;
> 
> the actual iwconfig values are:
> 
> # iwconfig eth0
> eth0  AR6000 802.11g  ESSID:"tarara"  
>   Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.442 GHz  Access Point:
> 00:13:F7:0D:08:48   
>   Bit Rate=54 Mb/s   Tx-Power=15 dBm   Sensitivity=0/3  
>   Retry:on   
>   Encryption key:X  Security mode:open
>   Power Management:off
>   Link Quality:207/94  Signal level:-144 dBm  Noise level:-96 dBm
>   Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:1487  Rx invalid frag:0
>   Tx excessive retries:55  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:64
> 
> HIH
> 
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Re: [debian] Top bar does not appear

[Denis Galvão]

Hi Rainer, thanks to point me a direction.

Running OM2008.8 I cant start an xterm session, how could I do it?

I just installed xfce4, it is runnig well, but slowly...

How could I start OM2008.8 with zhone and the openmoko-panel-plugin at  
start up?

Thanks,

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On 02/10/2008, at 12:32, Fox Mulder wrote:

> FSO3 in debian doesn't have the top bar anymore in zhone. You can use
> the openmoko-panel-plugin floating around in this mailing list. This
> xfce plugin shows the status of gsm, battery and some other usefull
> stuff. :)
>
> Ciao,
> Rainer
>
> Denis Galvão wrote:
>> Hi guys.
>>
>> After some time trying to install Debian on my SDCard, Im able to  
>> boot
>> it up.
>>
>> When zhone show up, I only see the four icons and the date bar, but
>> the top bar with signal, battery things does not appeared.
>>
>> Is there a way to correct that?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --
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Re: voip on Debian

[TL Mieszkowski]

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Davide Scaini
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ekiga? did you tryed that on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> so curious!

I haven't, but I see no reason why it wouldn't work. It doesn't do IAX
though, only SIP. And sip is problematic behind a NAT firewall.

> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Esben Stien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>
>> Asterisk is dead. Long live freeswitch.
>>
>> Didn't you get the memo?;)
>>

I was under the impression that freeswitch was more geared to low
level operations, carrier level stuff.(?)

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Re: [SPAM] Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4

[Kishore]

On Thursday 02 Oct 2008 11:53:46 pm Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:43:23 +0200
>
> Petr Vanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > No problem here. I reflashed previous QT snapshot 4.3 so i presume if
> > you use kernel from 4.3 you are ready to go.
> >
> > unless...I was also looking at the "services" screen or what it's
> > called in QT4.4 so i might have activated USB networking by an
> > accident and it's kernel independent? Check it out anyways.
>
> hmmm ... I'm guessing that image isn't the official released one, too
> many bugs (old and new):
>
> - lots of kernel-warnings spit out during booting (using
> uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin from I believe the
> previous 4.3.x snapshot version). Or maybe this is a uimage issue?
> - timezone management isn't working (the files just aren't there
> in /usr/share/timezone). Also the time itself can't be changed.
> - echo problem is back
> - alarm keeps vibrating the phone, after pressing "snooze"
> - each received call arrives twice, causing the second call to show up
> as "missed"
>
> The image is called 4.4.1, but my phone reports it as 4.4.2 ... I
> thought it was going to be 4.4.3?

Yup! I have all of those issues you mention. Anyway, USB networking is now 
working after i flashed mwester kernel. I am able to ssh but i cannot connect 
to the internet. ping google.com gives me "ping: bad address 'google.com'".

I checked /etc/resolv.conf and it is empty.
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Re: dead battery

[Vince M. Clark]

No it is definitely the power button (the round one below the usb plug) staying 
lit red. I'm running the FSO image. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Angus Ainslie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 12:28:19 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver 
Subject: Re: dead battery 


On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Vince M. Clark < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 




I ran down to Batteries Plus and picked up a Rayovac replacement that fits. It 
doesn't come charged but has enough charge to at least jump start my fr. I put 
in the new battery, plugged in the usb cable, and was able to boot. 

Then I took out the Rayovac battery and put the original battery back in. 
Device stayed running and I am hoping the battery is charging. The power button 
is staying illuminated and is red. Any idea what that means? 



I think you mean the AUX button is staying lit. That means its charging. 

The power button is the round one. 

Angus 

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Re: [debian] Evince works and is nice for ebooks

[joakim]

Frederic Leroy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Le Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:05:53 +0200,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
>
>> "Michele Renda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> writes:
>> 
>> > I am currently using epdf and it work well too
>> 
>> The nice thing IMHO with Evince is that it supports many formats:
>> - djvu
>> - pdf
>> - cbz (xipped archive of images)
>
> Nice !
>
>> and some others. 
>
> Does it support plucker(.pdb) files too ? I've got a lot of these.

I'm not sure, but I dont think so.

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Re: dead battery

[Angus Ainslie]

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Vince M. Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I ran down to Batteries Plus and picked up a Rayovac replacement that fits.
> It doesn't come charged but has enough charge to at least jump start my fr.
> I put in the new battery, plugged in the usb cable, and was able to boot.
>
> Then I took out the Rayovac battery and put the original battery back in.
> Device stayed running and I am hoping the battery is charging. The power
> button is staying illuminated and is red. Any idea what that means?
>

I think you mean the AUX button is staying lit. That means its charging.

The power button is the round one.

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Suspend vs. Lock vs. Screen Off

[Jason Cawood]

I'm using the latest FDOM, I believe it's based on 2008.09.  My question is
what is the fundamental difference between pressing the power button to
cause the phone to suspend, pressing the aux button to make the phone lock
the screen and not pressing any buttons and letting the software timeout. 
Mainly, I'm interested in battery life and how each action reduces power
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Re: [SPAM] Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4

[Franky Van Liedekerke]

On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:43:23 +0200
Petr Vanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> No problem here. I reflashed previous QT snapshot 4.3 so i presume if
> you use kernel from 4.3 you are ready to go.
> 
> unless...I was also looking at the "services" screen or what it's
> called in QT4.4 so i might have activated USB networking by an
> accident and it's kernel independent? Check it out anyways.
> 

hmmm ... I'm guessing that image isn't the official released one, too
many bugs (old and new):

- lots of kernel-warnings spit out during booting (using
uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin from I believe the
previous 4.3.x snapshot version). Or maybe this is a uimage issue?
- timezone management isn't working (the files just aren't there
in /usr/share/timezone). Also the time itself can't be changed.
- echo problem is back
- alarm keeps vibrating the phone, after pressing "snooze"
- each received call arrives twice, causing the second call to show up
as "missed"

The image is called 4.4.1, but my phone reports it as 4.4.2 ... I
thought it was going to be 4.4.3?

Franky

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Re: New Rasterman Image...

[Hire]

I tried it.
Very nice raster! Good work. Alarm is fantastic :)
Now we need only a dialer, contacts and messages compatible with FSO :)

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which u-boot?

[Vince M. Clark]

Is this u-boot safe for any gta02? What is the "v5_and_up" for? 

http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin 

Vince Clark 
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Re: dead battery

[Vince M. Clark]

I ran down to Batteries Plus and picked up a Rayovac replacement that fits. It 
doesn't come charged but has enough charge to at least jump start my fr. I put 
in the new battery, plugged in the usb cable, and was able to boot. 

Then I took out the Rayovac battery and put the original battery back in. 
Device stayed running and I am hoping the battery is charging. The power button 
is staying illuminated and is red. Any idea what that means? 

- Original Message - 
From: "Brock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
To: "List for Openmoko community discussion"  
Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 7:27:59 AM (GMT-0700) America/Denver 
Subject: Re: dead battery 

On 2008.10.01.13.05, Vince M. Clark wrote: 
| I've tried multiple times with no success. 

How about removing all SD and SIM cards, does that help? 

--Brock 


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[Om2008.9] how using services of the GSM provider

[Matthias Apitz]

Hello,

How can I use cetain services the GSM offers, like

- hiding caller ID ever/never/next-call
- re-direct incoming calls to mobile voicebox on busy/no-answer/any

Sorry, if this is a FAQ, but I don't see it on the Wiki;

thx

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Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4

[Petr Vanek]

On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 21:54:15 +0530
Kishore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
(K) wrote:

>On Thursday 02 Oct 2008 9:40:59 pm Nicola Mfb wrote:
>> 2008/10/2 Kishore
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I
>> downloaded the rootfs image for qt extended and flashed it to the
>> rootfs partition. I previously had FDOM installed so basically this
>> must have overwritten it. The kernel image was not available so i
>> guess im still using the image i flashed from FDOM.
>>
>>  It works but is somewhat flaky. No USB networking and so no SSH.
>> Something is not right here and im guessing it is all because of the
>> kernel image.
>>
>>  So where do i get the suitable kernel image or how do i have to go
>> about it?
>>
>>
>> I can ping the phone, but no ssh (connection refused).
>> Launching dropbear from terminal seg faults
>
>Same here
>-- 
>Cheers!
>Kishore


No problem here. I reflashed previous QT snapshot 4.3 so i presume if
you use kernel from 4.3 you are ready to go.

unless...I was also looking at the "services" screen or what it's called in
QT4.4 so i might have activated USB networking by an accident and it's
kernel independent? Check it out anyways.


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Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Thursday, October 02, 2008 a las 04:39:01PM +0100, Alastair Johnson 
escribió:

> vale wrote:
> > add a sleep 500 to your loop ;)  

I run this script for an hour or so:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat wifi.sh 
#!/bin/sh
cd /tmp
while true; do

rm 1M
wget http://www.unixarea.de/1M
date ; echo -n "now sleeping 300 sec ... "
sleep 300
echo awaked

done

and there has been no problem all this time; as well ifconfig does not
show any error packets:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifconfig eth0
eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:12:CF:8E:FC:5F  
  inet addr:192.168.2.100  Bcast:192.168.2.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
  inet6 addr: fe80::212:cfff:fe8e:fc5f/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:302728 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:131532 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
  RX bytes:454345265 (433.2 MiB)  TX bytes:10145574 (9.6 MiB)

and if you compare the RX/TX values with those from the last post:

  RX packets:285483 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:121870 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:431367301 (411.3 MiB)  TX bytes:9439240 (9.0 MiB)

you see that moving from office to my home, i.e. from one AP to another,
I did not rebooted; I just ifdow / ifup with my script the eth0
interface;

> > 
> > which image / kernel are you using?
> 
> You should perhaps ask what AP he's using, or whether he has the power 
> management enabled on the wifi. Some APs apparently get upset by power 
> managed devices, and the Freerunner enables power management of the wifi 
> by default to preserve battery. My wrt54g certainly gets upset from time 
> to time if I connect with the freerunner, sometimes refusing to talk to 
> _anything_ over wifi afterwards until rebooted.

my AP at home is a SMCWBR14-G2 EU one; regardless of the FR already in
the past sometime this get stuck and needs a power-cycle; not during the
test today;

the actual iwconfig values are:

# iwconfig eth0
eth0  AR6000 802.11g  ESSID:"tarara"  
  Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.442 GHz  Access Point: 00:13:F7:0D:08:48   
  Bit Rate=54 Mb/s   Tx-Power=15 dBm   Sensitivity=0/3  
  Retry:on   
  Encryption key:X  Security mode:open
  Power Management:off
  Link Quality:207/94  Signal level:-144 dBm  Noise level:-96 dBm
  Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:1487  Rx invalid frag:0
  Tx excessive retries:55  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:64

HIH

matthias

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Re: New Rasterman Image...

[Joel Newkirk]

On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:37:58 -0700, Steve Mosher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I used to have a bunch of them when I was doing a NLG ( natural Language
> generation) pet project. I sent you a link to US names as well. from the
> US census.
> For personal dictionaries, people could just run a simple word frequency
> analysis   on their archived email,( there are GPL programs that do this
> I believe, but its dead easy to write yourself) and import their email
> contacts into the database.
> ( speeling mistakes might require some work, like the one I just did)
> If you had access to archived chats or chat logs you could pick up
> things like LOL, PITA, etc, or logs of SMS. There are some studies on
> word frequency in SMS but I havent found a online resource.
> 

I was thinking of a quickie program to scan the ~/.bash_history on my
desktop and generate frequency data for command names... ;)  Take
everything up to the first space, strip off any path, count and insert in
dict.  (unfortunately the command history on the FR is by default VERY VERY
short, I've not investigated how to extend it)

More useful would be if someone can scare up a thorough list of common SMS
shorthand, like 'cul8r' and what-not.  (don't know how that'd work out
though, with numeric characters embedded)

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Debian installer internal error

[Matthias Camenzind]

I tried four times to install debian on a 2GB SD. I installed once a working 
fine debian but I've broken the SD card. Now I get always this error:
P: Configuring helper cdebootstrap-helper-apt
E: Internal error: install

Exists something i could do?

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Die neue Generation der Windows Live Services - jetzt downloaden!
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Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

[Jay Vaughan]

> As much as I love my FR, I must admit that the whole experience had  
> me thinking lustful thoughts about my wife's iPhone...


I would say just get an iPhone.  I did.  Its much more fun to develop  
for a *platform* rather than a constant dogs-breakfast of disaster.   
Until someone in the Freerunner world turns the thing into a stable  
platform, its just going to go on and on forever with nothing ever  
being fixed, stably, and dependably.

I mean, give me a break.  Its October, and people are *still*  
wrestling with WLAN configuration.  Can you hackers not see how stupid  
it is to be fussing with 'pretty stuff' when the most basic things  
don't even work?

I've given up on Freerunner development.  Until there is a stable  
image that provides an Operating System (what we have now: Inoperable)  
its just not worth the fuss.  The Freerunner project has been  
murdered, in my opinion, by hobby horsing hackers who have nothing but  
hatred for the end users that *could* be using the thing.

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Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4

[Ganesha Krishna]

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 9:54 PM, Kishore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thursday 02 Oct 2008 9:40:59 pm Nicola Mfb wrote:
>> 2008/10/2 Kishore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>  I downloaded the rootfs image for qt extended and flashed it to the rootfs
>>  partition. I previously had FDOM installed so basically this must have
>>  overwritten it. The kernel image was not available so i guess im still
>> using the image i flashed from FDOM.
>>
>>  It works but is somewhat flaky. No USB networking and so no SSH. Something
>> is not right here and im guessing it is all because of the kernel image.
>>
>>  So where do i get the suitable kernel image or how do i have to go about
>> it?
>>
>>
>> I can ping the phone, but no ssh (connection refused).
>> Launching dropbear from terminal seg faults
>
> Same here
> --
> Cheers!
> Kishore
>
I had  qtopia-4.3.3-snapshot-09012242-gta02-flash.tgz that came with
uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin kernel.
I have flashed the new rootfs (latest 4.4.1 release) and have wifi (no
encryption tested), GSM and USB networking.

Thanks,
-GK

PS: Low the browser!. How do I save an email attachment though?

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Re: Guess what...

[Paul]

> And don't forget to fix bugs as much as possible ;)
>   

LOL!! First bug is already there: I powered down the phone (Power Down 
GSM Antenna).
Now... Power-up GSM Antenna does not bring my phone back up...

How do I do that? (FR is still charging)
Do I need to power down and boot up again?

*grin*
Paul

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Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

[Warren Baird]

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 9:19 AM, vale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> its a fact, that freerunners wlan is far away from optimum.
>
>   [...]



>
> -> wlan drivers not working well
>
> i think this should also be a high priority aspect to work on for Openmoko.


I definitely agree.

I was recently at a conference and trying to use my freerunner as a mobile
web device with the conference wlan - an open network, so I didn't have to
worry about encryption.   I connected with my laptop a number of times, and
everything ran smoothly - however, my FR gave me no end of problems.  If I
rebooted and tried connecting with Mofi, I could sometimes connect - maybe 1
time in 3.   Once I connected, I could browse for a while with Minimo (which
worked quite nicely), but then it would hang, and I'd have to reboot several
times again before I could get connected again.

I've had similar experiences before - I can rarely connect to our open guest
network at my office, I've never managed to connect successfully the few
times I've tried at Cafe's with free wifi, and I haven't managed to get it
to connect at all to our wifi network at home.

As much as I love my FR, I must admit that the whole experience had me
thinking lustful thoughts about my wife's iPhone...

BTW - I'm running FDOM 20080913.

Warren
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Re: New Rasterman Image...

[Steve Mosher]

I used to have a bunch of them when I was doing a NLG ( natural Language 
generation) pet project. I sent you a link to US names as well. from the
US census.
For personal dictionaries, people could just run a simple word frequency 
analysis   on their archived email,( there are GPL programs that do this 
I believe, but its dead easy to write yourself) and import their email 
contacts into the database.
( speeling mistakes might require some work, like the one I just did)
If you had access to archived chats or chat logs you could pick up
things like LOL, PITA, etc, or logs of SMS. There are some studies on 
word frequency in SMS but I havent found a online resource.

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:59:20 -0700 Steve Mosher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> 
> aha! a "decent" frequency corpus (a few thousand words). i'll merge this with
> the default us dict (and remove the small one as now that's useless).
> 
>> Hey raster, How's it going.
>>
>> I promised you some frequency data a while back.
>> http://ucrel.lancs.ac.uk/bncfreq/flists.html
>> http://ucrel.lancs.ac.uk/bncfreq/lists/1_2_all_freq.txt
>>
>> there are others as well
>>
>> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>>> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:05:53 -0600 "Ori Pessach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> babbled:
>>>
 I understand what it's doing. It's not doing it well. I tried it for shell
>>> i disagree. it works like a charm for me - as per my previous mail - i can
>>> use it while walking down the street. more than i can say for pretty much
>>> any other virtual keyboard i have available to me.
>>>
 input, and it was an unusable mess. I tried it for text messaging, and it
>>> why someone would use a language dictionary-based corrective keyboard for
>>> shell input beats me! in this case i call "silly user - using a motorcycle
>>> to deliver elephants" line :) use the terminal keyboard. use a stylus.
>>> thats what it was meant for. :)
>>>
 was an unusable mess. It has no model of the likelihood of erroneous input
>>> it does. it absolutely does. maybe your fingers are incredibly off-center?
>>> here is the algorithm (and if u don't believe me - code is there to be
>>> read):
>>>
>>> it stores a press POINT (x,y). it looks for all keys whose center point is
>>> WITHIN f distance of x,y (f being the fuzz value - the .kbd file for the
>>> qwerty Default keyboard is 135 units wide, with fuzz radius of 20, so that's
>>> about 1/3rd of the keyboard that it searches through for a likely match).
>>> likelihood factors (distance) per key found is allocated based on distance
>>> (0 == most likely, > 0 less likely the greater the value). each press is
>>> done this way EXCEPT if u hold for 0.25 sec then drag to select a key
>>> explicitly in zoom mode - then the ONLY key available for that word slot is
>>> that letter selected given a distance of 0. as you type all permutations of
>>> letters are searched and put into a list - with each permutation given a
>>> distance metric based on the letters used (simply addition of the
>>> distances). now this is combined with the dictionary's frequency metric
>>> (multiplied by an inverse) so the more likely the word is to be used the
>>> lower its distance becomes. words are sorted from most to least likely
>>> based on this metric then listed with most likely in the middle of the
>>> list, leas likely to the left/right ends - which you may not see. the
>>> vertical list lists all matches from most to least likely (top to bottom)
>>> with 1 exception - EXACTLY what u typed it as the top. it absolutely has a
>>> fairly good idea of likelihood of error and likelihood of usage of a word
>>> etc. etc.
>>>
>>> eg:
>>>
>>> Press | Guess+dist
>>> e   e+0 w+1 r+2 d+2 s+1
>>> r   r+0 t+1 e+2 f+1 g+2 d+3
>>> k   k+0 l+1 o+2 i+3 j+3
>>> d   d+0 f+1 s+1 e+1 c+1 r+2 w+2
>>>
>>> so "erkd" has distance 0 = but its not a word in the dictionary at all, so
>>> thrown out. "rwkd" has distance 1, but not a word, "srkd" same, "etkd",
>>> "efkd", "erld", etc. etc.
>>>
>>> in the end it produces a list where most likely "world" ends up the word
>>> with other options too - and this is a much simplified list. mostly the list
>>> for candidate letters per input letter is about 10-12 letters. so u have
>>> 12*12*12*12 permutations for a 4 letter word - of which a fraction of that
>>> space is legitimate words. each permutation has a likelihood value based on
>>> press distance and on frequency of usage of that word in language in
>>> general in the dictionary.
>>>
>>> mind you - i AM talking about illume's keyboard, its algorithms as is in the
>>> image i built. if you use something else i cannot comment as it's something
>>> else.
>>>
 (relatively low) and instead appears to look for the word with the closest
 minimum edit distance to the user's input. This is nuts. I have never -
>>> it's not - as the edit distance is the likelihood of error. you likely press
>>> the key you want - or n

Re: New Rasterman Image...

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Cédric Berger wrote:
> What I really miss is having what I really typed be immediatly available
> as an option (ie not having to pop up a list).
> Personnaly I would even prefer by far (but might be an option) that what
> I type is what is selected by default, and a "computed" word is shown in
> the box that I can choose instead, if I want...
> 
> and even writing english text messages, it is too often I have to enter
> unknown names, locations, emails,  whatever

Well, I can agree in this. I think that the selected word/char should be
set as default (i.e. I often write in Italian thinks like
l', since adding any word matching to
"[clmstv]'" would increase a lot the
dictionary I do prefer using the "'" as a non-dictionary char so when
I've to write a word like that I, for example, press "l", then "'" and
finally the word.
However this doesn't work always since the "l" is quite never selected
by default also if I press exactly on it; so I've to press "l", select
it in the list, do a backspace and finally writing the word.
You can figure that it's not so good :P).

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[qtopia]how to view cover on mediaplayer?

[Thomas Bertani]

I can't see covers from the media player. the is a format or something
standard to follow to view them? because I have always no-cover image...

on qtopia 4.4

Thanks in advance and sorry for my bad english :P
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Re: [debian] openmoko-panel-plugin 0.4

[Fox Mulder]

I previously posted a note that the actual 0.4 package misses quite some
icons. So to get it to work you just have to put the missing icons back
to /usr/share/pixmaps/openmoko-panel-plugins.
You can get the icons from
http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4.orig.tar.gz

It misses the following icons:
brightness.png
usb_drive.png
usb_host.png
usb_net.png
gsm_000.png
gsm_020.png
gsm_040.png
gsm_060.png
gsm_080.png
gsm_100.png

Ciao,
 Rainer

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Sebastian Ohl
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Im having difficulty getting this working. Version 0.3 worked briefly.
> Any chance of a new deb?
> 
>> Hi gents,
>>
>> some words of what this is(as it produced some confusion last time:
>> The openmoko-panel-plugin is a gtk based plugin that draws the
>> powerstate of some FR hardware devices(i.e. gsm, gps) to a gtk based
>> panel. theses panels are used i.e. in xfce4. so you can enable or
>> disable the state of your gps receiver.
>>
>> See a screenshot here: http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel.png
>>
>>
>> i just uploaded a new release (0.4) to my server. it can be downloaded
>> from:
>> http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1_all.debhttp://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1_amd64.changes
>> http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1.diff.gzhttp://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1.dsc
>> http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4.orig.tar.gz
>>
>> Changelog:
>>   * fixed many debianizing errors. 
>>   * adding more dependencies
>>   * fixed problems with different versions on my laptop :-(
>>   * the menu entry should reappear
>>   * click opens a context menu to toggle the powerstate
>>   * removed some icons until they are finaly working
>>
>> the credit for the code changed goes to morlac.
>>
>> thank you for the big feature requests in the last mails. some of them 
>> are already integrated into the code. but the code needs a big cleanup. 
>> so please be patient. i think i will need a weekend to integrate all your 
>> suggestions *g*  
>>
>> Cu
>>  Sebastian
>>
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Re: [debian] getting zhone sid ringtones working

[joakim]

Joachim Breitner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:>

> Could be. What version of fso-frameworkd do you have installed (dpkg -l
> fso-frameworkd)?

ii  fso-frameworkd 0.2.0-git20080 freemsmartphone.org Framework Daemon

>
> Greetings,
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Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4

[Kishore]

On Thursday 02 Oct 2008 9:40:59 pm Nicola Mfb wrote:
> 2008/10/2 Kishore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  I downloaded the rootfs image for qt extended and flashed it to the rootfs
>  partition. I previously had FDOM installed so basically this must have
>  overwritten it. The kernel image was not available so i guess im still
> using the image i flashed from FDOM.
>
>  It works but is somewhat flaky. No USB networking and so no SSH. Something
> is not right here and im guessing it is all because of the kernel image.
>
>  So where do i get the suitable kernel image or how do i have to go about
> it?
>
>
> I can ping the phone, but no ssh (connection refused).
> Launching dropbear from terminal seg faults

Same here
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Re: New Rasterman Image...

[Steve Mosher]

Lists of US names. first and last

http://www.census.gov/genealogy/names/names_files.html

Cédric Berger wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 05:57, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...]
> 
>> you will know its not
>> there when its not offered as a correction in the short or long list. you
>> get
>> to delete what u typed and type again carefully. you only need to do this
>> once.
>> then it goes into the dict.
>>
>> [...]
> 
> seriously - as an experiment, when you type a word and it "gets the guess
>> wrong" pop up the full list and at the top is EXACTLY what you typed.
> 
> [..]
> 
> What I really miss is having what I really typed be immediatly available as
> an option (ie not having to pop up a list).
> Personnaly I would even prefer by far (but might be an option) that what I
> type is what is selected by default, and a "computed" word is shown in the
> box that I can choose instead, if I want...
> 
> and even writing english text messages, it is too often I have to enter
> unknown names, locations, emails,  whatever
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [debian] openmoko-panel-plugin 0.4

[joakim]

Sebastian Ohl
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Im having difficulty getting this working. Version 0.3 worked briefly.
Any chance of a new deb?

> Hi gents,
>
> some words of what this is(as it produced some confusion last time:
> The openmoko-panel-plugin is a gtk based plugin that draws the
> powerstate of some FR hardware devices(i.e. gsm, gps) to a gtk based
> panel. theses panels are used i.e. in xfce4. so you can enable or
> disable the state of your gps receiver.
>
> See a screenshot here: http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel.png
>
>
> i just uploaded a new release (0.4) to my server. it can be downloaded
> from:
> http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1_all.debhttp://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1_amd64.changes
> http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1.diff.gzhttp://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1.dsc
> http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4.orig.tar.gz
>
> Changelog:
>   * fixed many debianizing errors. 
>   * adding more dependencies
>   * fixed problems with different versions on my laptop :-(
>   * the menu entry should reappear
>   * click opens a context menu to toggle the powerstate
>   * removed some icons until they are finaly working
>
> the credit for the code changed goes to morlac.
>
> thank you for the big feature requests in the last mails. some of them 
> are already integrated into the code. but the code needs a big cleanup. 
> so please be patient. i think i will need a weekend to integrate all your 
> suggestions *g*  
>
> Cu
>  Sebastian
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Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4

[Nicola Mfb]

2008/10/2 Kishore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I downloaded the rootfs image for qt extended and flashed it to the rootfs
> partition. I previously had FDOM installed so basically this must have
> overwritten it. The kernel image was not available so i guess im still
> using
> the image i flashed from FDOM.
>
> It works but is somewhat flaky. No USB networking and so no SSH. Something
> is
> not right here and im guessing it is all because of the kernel image.
>
> So where do i get the suitable kernel image or how do i have to go about
> it?
>

I can ping the phone, but no ssh (connection refused).
Launching dropbear from terminal seg faults.

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Re: Guess what...

[Alex Oberhauser]

On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 05:46:22PM +0200, Paul wrote:
> 
> My Freerunner is here!
> 
> :-)
> 
> Must go play!

And don't forget to fix bugs as much as possible ;)

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kernel for qt extended 4.4

[Kishore]

I downloaded the rootfs image for qt extended and flashed it to the rootfs 
partition. I previously had FDOM installed so basically this must have 
overwritten it. The kernel image was not available so i guess im still using 
the image i flashed from FDOM.

It works but is somewhat flaky. No USB networking and so no SSH. Something is 
not right here and im guessing it is all because of the kernel image.

So where do i get the suitable kernel image or how do i have to go about it?
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Re: [qtopia]how to rotate screen from the shell?

[Joel Newkirk]

On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:11:00 +0200, Fabian Henze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 02.10.2008 at 17:01:37, Joel Newkirk wrote:
>> Google 'x11 rotate' or 'linux screen rotate' and you'll quickly find the
>> command 'xrandr'.  Resolution and Rotation controls.
>>
>> xrandr -o 0  - 'normal'
>> xrandr -o 1  - 'right'
>> xrandr -o 2  - 'inverted'
>> xrandr -o 3  - 'left'
>>
>> -o for 'orientation', you can use the numbers or the string 'normal'
> etc.
> 
> qtopia does not use X ...
> 
> -- Fabian

Sorry about that, I was thinking in terms of ASU and the qtopia-with-X11
setup.  

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Guess what...

[Paul]

My Freerunner is here!

:-)

Must go play!


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Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

[Alastair Johnson]

vale wrote:
> add a sleep 500 to your loop ;)  
> 
> which image / kernel are you using?

You should perhaps ask what AP he's using, or whether he has the power 
management enabled on the wifi. Some APs apparently get upset by power 
managed devices, and the Freerunner enables power management of the wifi 
by default to preserve battery. My wrt54g certainly gets upset from time 
to time if I connect with the freerunner, sometimes refusing to talk to 
_anything_ over wifi afterwards until rebooted.

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Re: [debian] Top bar does not appear

[Fox Mulder]

FSO3 in debian doesn't have the top bar anymore in zhone. You can use
the openmoko-panel-plugin floating around in this mailing list. This
xfce plugin shows the status of gsm, battery and some other usefull
stuff. :)

Ciao,
 Rainer

Denis Galvão wrote:
> Hi guys.
> 
> After some time trying to install Debian on my SDCard, Im able to boot  
> it up.
> 
> When zhone show up, I only see the four icons and the date bar, but  
> the top bar with signal, battery things does not appeared.
> 
> Is there a way to correct that?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> --
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Re: New Rasterman Image...

[The Rasterman]

On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:10:27 +0200 "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>
babbled:

> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:05:53 -0600 "Ori Pessach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > babbled:
> > 
> >> I understand what it's doing. It's not doing it well. I tried it for shell
> > 
> > i disagree. it works like a charm for me - as per my previous mail - i can
> > use it while walking down the street. more than i can say for pretty much
> > any other virtual keyboard i have available to me.
> 
> I do agree with raster... I'm using it with no problems and always
> without the stylus. Since when I've bought the Freerunner I've used the
> stylus less than 3-4 times. I always tried to do all with my fingers and
> generally I got it; mostly thanks to Carsten's work.
> Of course, there are some things that could be improved (i.e. parsing
> big dictionaries) but it's all generally so much usable!

yeah. saw your trac bug. i know. it's just out of my focus at the moment. i'll
eventually cycle back around to it - and i'll not fix the bugs - i'll probably
do some radical surgery to the dict format and enigne. :)

> > look at the personal dict file. ~/.e/e/dicts-dynamic/personal.dic
> > 
> > it saves usage frequency.
> 
> About this, did you see my reported bug #2049?
> And more... When the personal addictions are stored there? Since it
> doesn't seem to grow as soon as I type (or am I simply too blind? :P).

i saw the one with duplicates - that shouldn't happen - but there likely is some
bug that makes it - somewhere... shouldn't. it saves - just not immediately.
you need to keep the dict idle for 5+ seconds - then it flushes and saves. that
means not adding any new words or modifying them for 5 seconds (ie take a pause
from typing and it'll flush and save).

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Re: [qtopia]how to rotate screen from the shell?

[Thomas Bertani]

You don't need google to read the object: [qtopia].
Qtopia uses framebuffer and not x11...

2008/10/2 Joel Newkirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:01:32 +0200, "Thomas Bertani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Hi, I need to rotate the screen from the shell with a command. Anybody
> > knows
> > how to do that?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
>
> Google 'x11 rotate' or 'linux screen rotate' and you'll quickly find the
> command 'xrandr'.  Resolution and Rotation controls.
>
> xrandr -o 0  - 'normal'
> xrandr -o 1  - 'right'
> xrandr -o 2  - 'inverted'
> xrandr -o 3  - 'left'
>
> -o for 'orientation', you can use the numbers or the string 'normal' etc.
>
> j
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Re: [qtopia]how to rotate screen from the shell?

[Fabian Henze]

On 02.10.2008 at 17:01:37, Joel Newkirk wrote:
> Google 'x11 rotate' or 'linux screen rotate' and you'll quickly find the
> command 'xrandr'.  Resolution and Rotation controls.
>
> xrandr -o 0  - 'normal'
> xrandr -o 1  - 'right'
> xrandr -o 2  - 'inverted'
> xrandr -o 3  - 'left'
>
> -o for 'orientation', you can use the numbers or the string 'normal' etc.

qtopia does not use X ...

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Re: New Rasterman Image...

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:05:53 -0600 "Ori Pessach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> 
>> I understand what it's doing. It's not doing it well. I tried it for shell
> 
> i disagree. it works like a charm for me - as per my previous mail - i can use
> it while walking down the street. more than i can say for pretty much any 
> other
> virtual keyboard i have available to me.

I do agree with raster... I'm using it with no problems and always
without the stylus. Since when I've bought the Freerunner I've used the
stylus less than 3-4 times. I always tried to do all with my fingers and
generally I got it; mostly thanks to Carsten's work.
Of course, there are some things that could be improved (i.e. parsing
big dictionaries) but it's all generally so much usable!

> look at the personal dict file. ~/.e/e/dicts-dynamic/personal.dic
> 
> it saves usage frequency.

About this, did you see my reported bug #2049?
And more... When the personal addictions are stored there? Since it
doesn't seem to grow as soon as I type (or am I simply too blind? :P).

Thanks...


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[debian] Top bar does not appear

[Denis Galvão]

Hi guys.

After some time trying to install Debian on my SDCard, Im able to boot  
it up.

When zhone show up, I only see the four icons and the date bar, but  
the top bar with signal, battery things does not appeared.

Is there a way to correct that?

Thanks,

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Re: [qtopia]how to rotate screen from the shell?

[Joel Newkirk]

On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:01:32 +0200, "Thomas Bertani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Hi, I need to rotate the screen from the shell with a command. Anybody
> knows
> how to do that?
> 
> Thanks in advance

Google 'x11 rotate' or 'linux screen rotate' and you'll quickly find the
command 'xrandr'.  Resolution and Rotation controls.

xrandr -o 0  - 'normal'
xrandr -o 1  - 'right'
xrandr -o 2  - 'inverted'
xrandr -o 3  - 'left'

-o for 'orientation', you can use the numbers or the string 'normal' etc.

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Re: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released!

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Cédric Berger wrote:
> And how can we keep our data ? Can we keep current /home, or just qtopia
> database, or do we have to migrate it manually ?

Well this is quite important for me too. Is there a migration needed or
simply the data is saved in the same format?
Since until today I always shared my Applications and Documents folders
between Qtopia and Om2008 to get keep the phonebook, SMSs and documents
synced; it worked well, but will it work anymore?

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Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Thursday, October 02, 2008 a las 07:35:23AM -0700, vale escribió:

> 
> add a sleep 500 to your loop ;)  

will do later at home and post the results;

> 
> which image / kernel are you using?

Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.rootfs.jffs2
Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.uImage.bin

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Re: MPlayer with Glamo

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=stableMeng Sun ha
scritto:
> Hi,
> 
>   I'm trying to compile MPlayer with Glamo support following this site:
> 
>   http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/
> 
>   But error occurs when compile it as follows:
>   [CUT]

I had problems too, then I found how to compile it. Simply use this
configuration script [1].
If you want a pre-compiled version look at this [2], while if you need
the patched kernel (that shouldn't be needed anymore BTW) is here [3].

[1] http://tinyurl.com/4y4run
[2] http://downloads.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/openmoko/mplayer-glamo.tar.bz2
[3] http://tinyurl.com/uImage-gta02-stable-glamo-vid


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Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

[vale]

add a sleep 500 to your loop ;)  

which image / kernel are you using?

thx

vale



Matthias Apitz wrote:
> 
> El día Thursday, October 02, 2008 a las 06:19:30AM -0700, vale escribió:
> 
>> 
>> calm down,
>> 
>> its a fact, that freerunners wlan is far away from optimum. 
>> 
>> try a wget shortly after doing ifup eth0 -> everything works
>> try wget some minutes later (no suspend/resume in between) from same
>> server
>> -> no download, even if ping still works
>> ifdown eth0, ifup eth0 -> wget works again
>> 
>> same with opkg install, update, upgrade etc.
>> 
>> under 2007.2, 2008.08, debian ...
>> 
>> -> wlan drivers not working well
> 
> I can't ACK that anymore; I have wget ten times a file of 22 MByte right
> now:
> 
> # for i in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ; do rm file ; wget
> http://albatros/share/sisis-dev/guru/file; done
> Connecting to albatros (10.0.1.98:80)
> file100%
> || 22942k
> 00:00:00 ETA
>  (10x) 
> 
> without any kind of hick-ups;
> and the interface does not show any kind of error:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifconfig eth0
> eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:12:CF:8E:FC:5F  
>   inet addr:10.0.1.217  Bcast:10.0.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
>   inet6 addr: fe80::212:cfff:fe8e:fc5f/64 Scope:Link
>   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>   RX packets:285483 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:121870 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
>   RX bytes:431367301 (411.3 MiB)  TX bytes:9439240 (9.0 MiB)
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwlist eth0 scan
> eth0  Scan completed :
>   Cell 01 - Address: 00:04:E2:A1:76:0B
> ESSID:"santaclara"
> Mode:Master
> Frequency:2.442 GHz (Channel 7)
> Quality=16/94  Signal level=-79 dBm  Noise level=-95
> dBm
> Encryption key:on
> Extra:bcn_int=100
> Extra:wpa_ie=...
> 
> 
> i.e. Wifi for me it works fine now;
> 
>   matthias
> 
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> Windows
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Re: [FDOM] dfu-error -71

[Nicola Mfb]

2008/9/27 rhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Hi
> I've just tried to flash my freerunner with the newest FDOM and ran into a
> problem with dfu-util.
> Long story short, here's the console output:
>

I'm having this problem just now with qtopia, the first time i tried as
normal user i got error 71, the second i tried as root and i got error 84
!?!?

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Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Thursday, October 02, 2008 a las 06:19:30AM -0700, vale escribió:

> 
> calm down,
> 
> its a fact, that freerunners wlan is far away from optimum. 
> 
> try a wget shortly after doing ifup eth0 -> everything works
> try wget some minutes later (no suspend/resume in between) from same server
> -> no download, even if ping still works
> ifdown eth0, ifup eth0 -> wget works again
> 
> same with opkg install, update, upgrade etc.
> 
> under 2007.2, 2008.08, debian ...
> 
> -> wlan drivers not working well

I can't ACK that anymore; I have wget ten times a file of 22 MByte right
now:

# for i in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ; do rm file ; wget 
http://albatros/share/sisis-dev/guru/file; done
Connecting to albatros (10.0.1.98:80)
file100%
|| 22942k 00:00:00 
ETA
 (10x) 

without any kind of hick-ups;
and the interface does not show any kind of error:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifconfig eth0
eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:12:CF:8E:FC:5F  
  inet addr:10.0.1.217  Bcast:10.0.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  inet6 addr: fe80::212:cfff:fe8e:fc5f/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:285483 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:121870 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
  RX bytes:431367301 (411.3 MiB)  TX bytes:9439240 (9.0 MiB)

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwlist eth0 scan
eth0  Scan completed :
  Cell 01 - Address: 00:04:E2:A1:76:0B
ESSID:"santaclara"
Mode:Master
Frequency:2.442 GHz (Channel 7)
Quality=16/94  Signal level=-79 dBm  Noise level=-95 dBm
Encryption key:on
Extra:bcn_int=100
Extra:wpa_ie=...


i.e. Wifi for me it works fine now;

matthias

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[qtopia]how to rotate screen from the shell?

[Thomas Bertani]

Hi, I need to rotate the screen from the shell with a command. Anybody knows
how to do that?

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Re: dead battery

[Vince M. Clark]

OK now you guys are just messing with me ;-) 

Nothing is working. I've taken everything out, tried all different combinations 
based on suggestions from the community. 

I'm sure at this point I have a totally dead battery and old u-boot. I'll get 
it jump started and update u-boot. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Xavier Cremaschi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
To: community@lists.openmoko.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 2:14:07 AM (GMT-0700) America/Denver 
Subject: Re: dead battery 

Sarton O'Brien a écrit : 
> 
> The 'leave it overnight' scenario is the best one I encounter for a dead 
> battery ;) ... I think you'll be right. 
> 
> Sarton 

A good one is : 
- Hold down the aux key. 
- Put battery in. 
- Put usb in. 
- Hold down the power key. 
- Release aux key. 
- Wait for menu. 


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Re: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released!

[Russell Hay]

Actually - I used the one from the flash image; *Version:* 4.3.2 [image:
Submitted Date] 2008/8/29

2008/10/2 Tobias Kündig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Just use the one from 4.3.3-snapshot:
>
> http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=82
>
> Russell Hay wrote:
> >
> > what the link to a kernel image for it?
> >
> > 2008/10/2 Atilla Filiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> >
> > Stability and battery life are my primary concernn. If it is
> > stable enough to be a primary phone and survive for 60+ hours, i'm
> > definitely going for it.
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Tobias Kündig
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> > It's out!
> >
> > http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 02:51, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> > Lorn Potter wrote:
> > > Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
> > >> Cool... Btw I've seen that there are also some
> > commercial (premium)
> > >> modules that could be integrated with Qtopia, also if
> > they're not open
> > >> source. Well, will be there a way to get the torch
> > mobile browser, for
> > >> example?
> > >
> > > This is the full functionality Iris web browser. This
> > was not developed by Qt Software. There is a
> > > simple example web browser in the qtextended sources.
> > You would have to contact the premium module
> > > companies to find out if they are releasing a version
> > for the Neo.
> > >
> > > None of the 'premium' modules were developed by Qt
> > Software. Qt Extended is fully dual licensed.
> >
> > Yeah, I knew that but the company which has developed Iris
> > said to
> > another user that the browser is available just for
> > Trolltech/Nokia and
> > not for all users... Can you confirm this or maybe there's
> > a way to get it?
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Re: [2008.09][FSO] Programming interface to wifi Icon

[Arigead]

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:20:23 -0400 Joel Newkirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
>
>   
>> On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:39:08 +0100, Arigead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> 
>
> i'm baffled. that bar wt the top is always visible - it's not part of your app
> (and it only is invisible if your app goes fullsreen). note that the icon is
> entirely part of the theme and may vary based on whatever theme you use. the
> bar is part of the window manager and its contents are controlled by code
> running in the wm process (either core or loadable modules). there are no
> signals for pressing the icon published - it's internal and up to the gadget
> code for that icon (in e terms it's a gadget). as its tny 
> icon,
> pressing it is not that useful and so does nothing.
>
>   
The illume-config menu is brought up from a tiny spanner 
Icon in the drop down menu. I don't see any difference but I'm not 
forcing anybody to use a particular method. I would agree that there are 
disadvantages to having the tiny icon used in this way especially if 
you've got fat fingers. On the other hand given that you've got the 
space for an icon there all the time why not use it to convey some 
useful info. Given the size of the screen you can't really expect big 
icons anyhow.

Anyhow I'm just messing with an idea at the moment which may turn out to 
be a bad idea. It won't be my first but thanks a million for the 
information anyhow and maybe at some point I'll get this working.

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Re: [2008.09][FSO] Programming interface to wifi Icon

[Arigead]

Joel Newkirk wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:39:08 +0100, Arigead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>   
>> Sorry Yes I would like to use the Icon on the top of the illume bar. I 
>> was thinking interfacing this to my daemon so regardless of app you can 
>> see the wifi status the same as you can see the GSM status at present.
>>
>> If anybody knows about "somewhat different" :-) Would this presently be 
>> set by Kernel code the Window Manager?
>> 
>
> It's part of the edje setup for the main screen, in illume.edj. (well, that
> can differ - I've always installed illume-config and illume-config-illume)
> You can think of the .edj file as a theme package of sorts, although it
> abstracts more UI handling out of the program than traditional theming. In
> OO fashion it separates all the user interaction into the edje file, with
> the main application interacting via signals to change UI or respond to
> user actions and triggers generated by the UI itself.
>
> You can set up in the .edj file to support changing icons triggered by
> signals from 'outside', and emit signals when some UI interaction (IE,
> click the icon) takes place.  I'm interested in doing something similar
> with USB, showing whether it's in host or device mode, networking vs mass
> storage if device mode, sending or expecting power, forcing 500mA or 1000mA
> charging, and ability to change all the above.
>
> The program edje_editor is great for taking a look at such features.  It's
> part of the E17 desktop setup, I've been playing with it in the developer
> VM I'm working on.  It takes the intact .edj file and extracts all the
> configs, images, etc from it and gives you a nice WYSYWIG GUI editor.  BTW
> - I printed out the actual text config from illume.edj, it's about 100
> pages long...  A simpler starting point to learn your way around .edj and
> edje_editor is illume_init.edj, the startup theme.  (second view of the
> boots, with the green scanning back and forth instead of indicating percent
> progress)  It's quite easy to drop in a different background image,
> redefine the animation, etc this way.
>
> (Now what we really need is a tool running ON the FR that decompiles the
> main .edj file and lets us replace wallpaper, etc - basic customization,
> not full-on UI redesign work)
>
> j
>   
Joel you're a star. Thanks a million for your help on this. Your USB 
version sounds like a great one as well so let us know when you get that 
done. Be great to click the icon and get the options no fuss.

It's the logical place for Info/Feedback/Options.

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Re: How to build qt-extended?

[Cédric Berger]

>
> OpenSSL support . no
>
>

Is the SSL support activated in the released image on qtextended.org ?
I guess it is still needed for ie. encrypted IMAP ?

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