Re: connect freerunner with debian to a windows-PC
On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 07:42:56 +0100, matthias felsc...@student.hu-berlin.de wrote: Bastian Muck schrieb: Gothnet schrieb: This isn't going to help you but... The windows driver seems dodgy. The 5th of december Android image made windows bluescreen when you plugged the FR into a machine with the driver installed. Linux is your friend, though of course that's not always possible. I don't know what your problem is. I conected my fr often to my Windows XP and never had problems. I tried 2007.X, 2008.X and Qt Extended. Greetings Bastian But is there anyone who tried it with debian? Yes, me (have only Windows at work). I got a bluescreen once, but it never happened again... But somehow I can't get a internet connection (network works only between FR and Host), so I created a debian VMWare, and pass the USB device to the VMWare. Then I enable NAT network for the VMWare and enable USB networking _IN_ the VmWare. This works pretty well :) Network is now WAN-Windows-VMwareDebian-Freerunner. Daniel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: paroli meets fso
Hi, the version is not automagically updated. You can find a more current version here: http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/experimental/armv4t/ explicitly today you can find: http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/experimental/armv4t/paroli_0.2.1+gitr258+ef21f72ff9e33d1a083bc933e4e3824b28207a18-r0_armv4t.ipk This should contain the msgs application and there is some storing of contacts in tele as well. see: http://www.paroli-project.org/running-paroli/tele/ /mirko qhaz wrote: Mirko Lindner-2 wrote: Hi, I met with the fso team last week and wanted to share some of the outcomes. We talked about releases and especially about what we need for a fully functional paroli. We came up with fso milestone 5.5. It will focus on the tings desperately needed for paroli - namely bluetooth, pim and some loose end that need tying, some sms issues etc. To help the process along we will create a contacts:opimd service using the fso api and start working with it and deliver first insights into its functionality etc. In other pim sections is still work needed. The messages pim is not quite there yet but we will coordinate with fso to see how we can help. Logs are in pim at all yet, but are among the top 3 priorities and here as well we hope to work together, and if you think this is your place, pop us a mail. All help is appreciated. We also talked on how to make paroli more interesting to developers and testers. So I will help anyone who goes about building devel tools such as the gsm monitor or likewise in paroli. The structure is so open that it shouldn't be too much work. Also the question of a screenlock a la zhone arose ... I think we need one or is there an easy way to get into using pre-existing tools? In short: - fso ms 5.5 will contains everything needed by paroli - pim, bt, small fixes - fso will have a watchdog to restart paroli in case of crash - paroli will start using opimd as soon as possible and help moving it along - paroli invites developer tools - if you have an idea and just need a hint about how to get started or some edje support, mail, irc, jabber - screenlock? - small fixes to design needed in paroli, such as volume control in various places. Any others Let me point to my other email from today as well. We have a package again, so once again I invite you to see our progress and share your opinions, give us your critique and help us. The motto still counts, if you want to get active in development or check it out and tell us what you think. Shoot :) /mirko and don’t forget: website: http://www.paroli-project.org bug tracker: http://www.paroli-project.org/trac source: http://git.paroli-project.org api: http://www.paroli-project.org/api ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hi Mirko, I have just flashed m5 stable and updated and upgraded. I have the plauncher on my desktop but no PIM or sms. Are there other packages I need to intall? cheers qhaz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: connect freerunner with debian to a windows-PC
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 06:21, Bastian Muck bastian.m...@gmx.de wrote: Gothnet schrieb: The windows driver seems dodgy. The 5th of december Android image made windows bluescreen when you plugged the FR into a machine with the driver installed. Linux is your friend, though of course that's not always possible. I don't know what your problem is. I conected my fr often to my Windows XP and never had problems. I tried 2007.X, 2008.X and Qt Extended. Yes it seems to be broken since kernel 2.6.28 . Used to even crash windows but openmoko kernel was patched a few weeks ago. Though it does not crash anymore but still does not work. (broken in upstream linux kernel) see http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2211 http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2183476 http://android.koolu.org/pipermail/android-freerunner-koolu.org/2009-February/000339.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: connect freerunner with debian to a windows-PC
Cédric Berger cedric.berge...@gmail.com writes: Gothnet schrieb: The windows driver seems dodgy. The 5th of december Android image made windows bluescreen when you plugged the FR into a machine with the driver installed. Linux is your friend, though of course that's not always possible. I don't know what your problem is. I conected my fr often to my Windows XP and never had problems. I tried 2007.X, 2008.X and Qt Extended. Yes it seems to be broken since kernel 2.6.28 . I wonder why nobody from the complaining has provided a usb debug log yet? Most probably with this log the issue can be fixed by upstream maintainer in a week or less. And yet nobody did that. Just get a debug log, shouldn't be that hard. But as nobody needs it, nobody fixes it, obviously. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: good 2.6.28 kernel for 2008.12
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Hello, | | I've been using 2008.12 for a while now and it works really good. But | there's a need to change to a 2.6.28 kernel due to some bugs. I tried | the newest andy-tracking, but it's really unstable. Qpe and I don't think it's the kernel that is unstable, 2008-12 isn't prepared to work with the new sysfs paths it has may be the issue. | Enlightenment crash all the time, Duke3d doesn't work. Can anyone | suggest a 2.6.28 image that's stable enough for daily use? There's a problem with QVGA that we're working on, but that's probably the only thing down to the kernel itself. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmb3S8ACgkQOjLpvpq7dMpfkQCeKMi0t+1qAnZ3heDrg+H61Fmz pdwAn24Mo7uoTN6g/hjsmSmvdYUkr+Xt =UuHZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
draft of community updates
Dear list : The 12th community updates will released on Feb , 20. As usual, I put the draft on Talk page first. Feel free to edit it if I missed any information. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updates/February_20%2C_2009 Best Regards Brenda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR missing rootfs (was: Re: bearstech SHR missing rootfs)
shr-testing is unsupported at the moment. Please link to shr-unstable and use it instead of testing, or wait for new testing image. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
opkg.org AppManager Wlan - zenity dependency missing
Hi! AppManager and Wlan at opkg.org depend both on zenity in http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/zenity_2.20.1-r0_armv4t.ipk It's not available any more. Anyone know where to find zenity now? r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Best thing to run on Freerunner and Neo1973 machines today?
Hiya gang, After a few months of ignoring the OpenMoko scene while I concentrated on other things (beagleboard/openpandora) I find myself looking at my neo1973 and freerunner gear, and thinking its time to do something interesting with these devices again. But I have no idea what is going on with the FR these days .. So, I turn to you guys: what would you recommend I put on both/either of these machines for a bit of fun today? FDOM, SHR, something else? In terms of easy-to-get fun factor, what do you guys suggest? ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Best thing to run on Freerunner and Neo1973 machines today?
for the freerunner i would suggest either SHR unstable or maybe FSO + paroli stuff (haven't tried that one yet) On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Jay Vaughan j...@synth.net wrote: Hiya gang, After a few months of ignoring the OpenMoko scene while I concentrated on other things (beagleboard/openpandora) I find myself looking at my neo1973 and freerunner gear, and thinking its time to do something interesting with these devices again. But I have no idea what is going on with the FR these days .. So, I turn to you guys: what would you recommend I put on both/either of these machines for a bit of fun today? FDOM, SHR, something else? In terms of easy-to-get fun factor, what do you guys suggest? ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: connect freerunner with debian to a windows-PC
Daniel Spies schrieb: On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 07:42:56 +0100, matthias felsc...@student.hu-berlin.de wrote: Bastian Muck schrieb: Gothnet schrieb: This isn't going to help you but... The windows driver seems dodgy. The 5th of december Android image made windows bluescreen when you plugged the FR into a machine with the driver installed. Linux is your friend, though of course that's not always possible. I don't know what your problem is. I conected my fr often to my Windows XP and never had problems. I tried 2007.X, 2008.X and Qt Extended. Greetings Bastian But is there anyone who tried it with debian? Yes, me (have only Windows at work). I got a bluescreen once, but it never happened again... But somehow I can't get a internet connection (network works only between FR and Host), so I created a debian VMWare, and pass the USB device to the VMWare. Then I enable NAT network for the VMWare and enable USB networking _IN_ the VmWare. This works pretty well :) Network is now WAN-Windows-VMwareDebian-Freerunner. Daniel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community An interesting method. I was able to manage this by doing: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Neo_1973_and_Windows#Another_maybe_quite_unsecure_method_.28WinXP_Professional_32_Bit.29 Hope you understand what I wrote there. It worked for me with SHR, Om2008.8, Om2008.12, Debian. The Neos in here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dhmoko do that all day long! :) Matthias ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Best thing to run on Freerunner and Neo1973 machines today?
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Jay Vaughan j...@synth.net wrote: Hiya gang, So, I turn to you guys: what would you recommend I put on both/either of these machines for a bit of fun today? FDOM, SHR, something else? In terms of easy-to-get fun factor, what do you guys suggest? Check Kustomizer: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kustomizer (0.2 has some issues with audio in games etc. Phone calls work ok) (or devel version at http://www.kurppa.fi/freerunner/kustomizer_devel) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Will software patents stop us having multitouch?
I recently came across this blog post which, interesting explains that the Android G1 is *capable* of multitouch but chose not to use it for some reason - some suggest, for fear of litigation from Apple. http://osswatch.jiscinvolve.org/2009/01/30/what-does-that-two-finger-gesture-mean/ I don't live in the USA so it may not be such an issue for me but it could still cause problems for Openmoko... What are your thoughts? Tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: connect freerunner with debian to a windows-PC
Hope you understand what I wrote there. It worked for me with SHR, Om2008.8, Om2008.12, Debian. Can you please check your kernel version and give us know? If it's 2.6.24 then this one known to work. Thanks Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Speech dispatcher output to bluetooth (navit) ?
See below...
Am 15.02.2009 um 22:45 schrieb Rask Ingemann Lambertsen:
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 09:38:41PM +0100, Lothar Behrens wrote:
Has no one got the output of speech-dispatcher into a bouetooth
headset ?
Using mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth works, but not spd-say. It
always comes out of the speaker.
What does the speech-dispatcher documentation say about selecting
a sound
card for output?
I havent found anyting usefull in the documentation or in the
configuration files.
Also try some of the stuff from the wiki:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem#Driver_Status_3
Specifically these:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/3/3d/Btcpu_gta02.state.txt
http://handheldshell.com/bluetooth_pcm
http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/~gg/bluetooth-pcm/bluetooth_pcm.c
Usage would be something like this:
$ alsactl restore -f Btcpu_gta02.state.txt
$ ./bluetooth_pcm
[play some sound here]
using 'spd-say Hello' doesn't plays anything on my BT device.
$ killall bluetooth_pcm
Here it plays again on the internal speaker.
The interesting controls of the state file are these:
20 'Sidetone Capture Volume' - 0 (increase as needed).
64 'Capture Right Mux' - 'Sidetone' to route playback mixer sound
into right ADC.
66 'Capture Right Mixer' - 'Analogue Mix Right' to record right
channel
from right ADC.
67 'Capture Left Mixer' - 'Analogue Mix Right' to record left channel
also from right ADC.
68 'Playback Mixer Voice Capture Sw' - false to not mix GSM output
into the
sidetone.
69 'Playback Mixer Left Capture Swi' - true to mix left output into
the
sidetone.
70 'Playback Mixer Right Capture Sw' - true to mix right output
into the
sidetone.
(Maybe look at control 22 'Capture Volume' too?)
Are the settings for the state file above working for you playing 'spd-
say Hello' without modifying the contents from that link ?
After looking into the code, is there a need for modifying the device
respect to my neo ?
This is because I call the following python script before I start
mplayer with bt support.
#!/usr/bin/python
import dbus
bus = dbus.SystemBus()
manager = dbus.Interface(bus.get_object('org.bluez', '/org/bluez'),
'org.bluez.Manager')
conn = manager.ActivateService('audio')
audio = dbus.Interface(bus.get_object(conn, '/org/bluez/audio'),
'org.bluez.audio.Manager')
path = audio.CreateDevice('00:1D:82:04:AA:40')
audio.ChangeDefaultDevice(path)
print path
sink = dbus.Interface(bus.get_object(conn, path),
'org.bluez.audio.Sink')
sink.Connect()
Lothar
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Re: [FSO M5] - Answering a Call
Thanks, I will apply/test the patch and also file a ticket tonight. (eastern standard) -SCarlson On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer (via Nabble) ml-user+1966-127261...@n2.nabble.comml-user%2b1966-127261...@n2.nabble.com wrote: Am Tuesday 17 February 2009 20:46:20 schrieb SCarlson: Does anyone know a good fix for the answer call delay.. When I get a call, I hit the answer button, and it takes approx. 3-5 seconds for the phone to actually pick the call up??? What the heck is it doing? heh... Has anyone tweaked around with this yet? This is a (temporary) result of fixing bug FSO #205 as described in http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/205 At the moment, we serialize all dbus signals initiated by oeventsd, meaning we wait until the result has been parsed, before we send the next one. In particular, this means we probably wait until the ring tone has stopped before actually taking the call and switching the audio scenario. Thanks to gstreamer and its audio buffers, this can take up to 3 seconds. This behaviour is slightly suboptimal for calls to different subsystems, which do not need to be serialized. Please open a ticket with this mail, so we do not forget the issue and I'll try to come up with a speed-up. In the meantime, please check whether applying the attached patch improves it for you. Cheers, -- :M: [attachment removed] ___ Openmoko community mailing list commun...@...http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=2344225i=0 http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- This email is a reply to your post @ http://n2.nabble.com/-FSO-M5Answering-a-Call-tp2342862p2344225.html You can reply by email or by visting the link above. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-FSO-M5Answering-a-Call-tp2342862p2346805.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: connect freerunner with debian to a windows-PC
Can you please check your kernel version and give us know? If it's 2.6.24 then this one known to work. Ok, you caught me! It's really 2.6.24. damn! this would have been too easy, i think! matthias Pt! Schon vom neuen WEB.DE MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.produkte.web.de/messenger/?did=3123 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: connect freerunner with debian to a windows-PC
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:02:04 +0100, matthias felsche matthiasfels...@web.de wrote: Daniel Spies schrieb: Yes, me (have only Windows at work). I got a bluescreen once, but it never happened again... But somehow I can't get a internet connection (network works only between FR and Host), so I created a debian VMWare, and pass the USB device to the VMWare. Then I enable NAT network for the VMWare and enable USB networking _IN_ the VmWare. This works pretty well :) Network is now WAN-Windows-VMwareDebian-Freerunner. Daniel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community An interesting method. I was able to manage this by doing: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Neo_1973_and_Windows#Another_maybe_quite_unsecure_method_.28WinXP_Professional_32_Bit.29 Hope you understand what I wrote there. It worked for me with SHR, Om2008.8, Om2008.12, Debian. The Neos in here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dhmoko do that all day long! :) Matthias I can't test your configuration. The port of my switch will be shut down if I enable the connection sharing (port security). But I can offer you some English descriptions for your Wiki entry. - Systemsteuerung = Control Panel - Netzwerkverbindungen = Network Connections - the network adaptors are in EN Windows are normally called Local Area Connection - Eigenschaften = Properties - Erweitert = Advanced - Gemeinsame Nutzung der Internetverbindung = Internet Connection Sharing - Anderen Benutzern im Netzwerk gestatten, die Internetverbindung dieses Computers zu verwenden = Allow other network users to connect through this computer's Internet connection So you may update the Wiki section with a proper translation :) Cheers, Daniel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All] To build a better music player
Dylan Reilly wrote: Curse all these python 2.5 versus 2.6 issues! The mutagen package was actually built for 2.5 and not 2.6 (my fault). I have fixed this and uploaded a new version to opkg.org. Note that I changed the version number. The mutagen problem is fixed indeed. When running pythm, I got this error instead: new conf using gstreamer backend /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/connection.py:242: DeprecationWarning: object.__init__() takes no parameters super(Connection, self).__init__(*args, **kwargs) Could not load backend: mplayer: libpython2.5.so.1.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Could not load backend: gstreamer: libpython2.5.so.1.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory So I used the mad mans workaround: cd /usr/lib ln -s libpython2.6.so.1.0 libpython2.5.so.1.0 And then pythm works and plays songs. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: after Qi no USB in Nor questions
C R McClenaghan wrote: Note: when booted into installed image, USB networking is fine and the above errors do not occur. Is this a host side problem or Neo Freerunner problem? I notice in the Qi documentation that there is no dfu-util support. Would that effect dfu-util in Nor? When I do attempt to boot into Nand, I end up with a Nor boot menu that is the same as when I boot into Nor - apparently either why the AUX/Power button are selected I boot to Nor. Is that correct behavior with Qi? I have Qi. When I press the power button, there is no USB and no uboot. Qi boots quickly but have few features. To use uboot, I do this: 1. Power off completely 2. Press the AUX button and hold it in 3. Press the power button and hold that too 4. Wait for uboot menu to appear 5. release both buttons. Then I am in the uboot menu, and USB flashing works. This menu doesn't stay very long, so prepare the dfu-util command on the pc in advance. BTW - my Nor boot menu seems slightly different than what I see on the wiki - rather than a Reset option in the fifth position I have Reboot. Are there any log or configuration files I should post to help diagnosis? I would like to be able to upgrade the release in memory or for that matter Qi - which I think I'm now blocked from doing. Is there an alternative to the devirginator process to restore the Freerunner to factory state? Did you flash Qi to both NAND flash and NOR flash? The usual way is to have uboot in one and Qi in the other. That way you can have fast boot by default, and still activate uboot for flashing when needed. If you don't have uboot in either flash, then there is no USB option during bootup. But you have a working image, and linux has device drivers for flash devices. ( /dev/mtd* ) Reading them is no problem. So I believe it is possible to overwrite a flash device while linux is running. It had better not be the rootfs, but boot flash is a different device. Maybe it is as simple as cat imagefile /dev/mtdsomething Get some detailed advice about this though - don't experiment. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO M5] - Answering a Call
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Am Tuesday 17 February 2009 20:46:20 schrieb SCarlson: Does anyone know a good fix for the answer call delay.. When I get a call, I hit the answer button, and it takes approx. 3-5 seconds for the phone to actually pick the call up??? What the heck is it doing? heh... Has anyone tweaked around with this yet? This is a (temporary) result of fixing bug FSO #205 as described in http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/205 At the moment, we serialize all dbus signals initiated by oeventsd, meaning we wait until the result has been parsed, before we send the next one. In particular, this means we probably wait until the ring tone has stopped before actually taking the call and switching the audio scenario. Thanks to gstreamer and its audio buffers, this can take up to 3 seconds. Not taking the call until the ringtone stops is actually a good idea, the caller is probably not interested in hearing the last parts of the ringtone. Instead, there is a need for a ringtone player that can be switched off in 0.02s or so. A standalone app can be turned off with kill -9. If using a library, switch to something that support real-time sound manipulation. dbus can run with high priority, so it doesn't become a bottleneck. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Best thing to run on Freerunner and Neo1973 machines today?
Jay Vaughan wrote: Hiya gang, After a few months of ignoring the OpenMoko scene while I concentrated on other things (beagleboard/openpandora) I find myself looking at my neo1973 and freerunner gear, and thinking its time to do something interesting with these devices again. But I have no idea what is going on with the FR these days .. So, I turn to you guys: what would you recommend I put on both/either of these machines for a bit of fun today? FDOM, SHR, something else? In terms of easy-to-get fun factor, what do you guys suggest? SHR is nice. Phone and gps works well. Music player can be made to work well too. Lots of games and other software is available at opkg.org. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
SHR-unstable, GTA01 (neo1973) and GPS?
Hiya, Well, I got SHR-testing up and running on my neo1973 after many recommendations from folks on this list and in the #openmoko channel, and so far it looks pretty nice - can make calls and receive them and so on, and it doesn't crash too much (after I did an opkg update +upgrade), so for now at least the neo1973 seems to be useful for me with SHR-testing .. except for one thing: GPS. Can't seem to get it working. Do we still need to install the gllin package on neo1973? If so, how do I do it 'properly' on SHR-testing? Any advice on this would be appreciated because I'll use the neo1973 as a phone/gps unit if its possible for now .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will software patents stop us having multitouch?
Tim Dobson wrote: I recently came across this blog post which, interesting explains that the Android G1 is *capable* of multitouch but chose not to use it for some reason - some suggest, for fear of litigation from Apple. http://osswatch.jiscinvolve.org/2009/01/30/what-does-that-two-finger-gesture-mean/ I don't live in the USA so it may not be such an issue for me but it could still cause problems for Openmoko... What are your thoughts? I don't think this will cause trouble for openmoko - for the neo phone screen doesn't support multitouch. It doesn't matter what the software might be able to do with a multitouch-screen, when it isn't available. To get in patent trouble, you actually have to infringe on the patent in question. Most touchscreens can't do multitouch, and new screens likely won't have it either because manufacturers will worry about that patent. Some screens, such as the neo, can do fake multitouch: If you touch with two fingers, the screen first notices the location of the first finger. When the second finger lands, the screen notices a new location, somewhere between the two fingers. The location of the second finger is never seen, unless the first finger is released. So when two touches happens with no release inbetween, it could be a drag. If the jump distance is too long for a regular drag, then assume a second finger landed somewhere further out along the line between first and second touch. The location of the second finger will not be very precise, for the screen doesn't necessarily register the exact midpoint between the fingers. The midpoint will be closer to the bigger finger or the finger that is pressing hardest. This is a problem, for the second finger will necessarily touch lightly with a small area in the beginning. So the movement of the weighted average position may resemble a drag. Perhaps some careful study of such drags and two-finger touchdowns will reveal systematic differences so the software can be written that usually gets this right. Some averaging and a screen with good bandwith *may* be able to get a reasonable position for the second finger in reasonable time. But then apple might get irritated. Also, it might be hard to see the difference between a two-finger touch and tapping two places in rapid succession - unless you can be sure you always get a release event. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR-unstable, GTA01 (neo1973) and GPS?
Jay Vaughan wrote: Hiya, Well, I got SHR-testing up and running on my neo1973 after many recommendations from folks on this list and in the #openmoko channel, and so far it looks pretty nice - can make calls and receive them and so on, and it doesn't crash too much (after I did an opkg update +upgrade), so for now at least the neo1973 seems to be useful for me with SHR-testing .. except for one thing: GPS. Can't seem to get it working. Do we still need to install the gllin package on neo1973? Sure If so, how do I do it 'properly' on SHR-testing? Just opkg install it. (I have my gllin package always on my SD card) Rest should be taken care of by framreworkd. Last time I checked, this worked with FSO and SHR. But, as the flash space on GTA01 with SHR is extremely limited, you will not be able to install Navit. Which is a pitty. You might even get trouble while installing gllin, best you deinstall some crap before since opkg fails very very ungracefully on full file systems. You may need to re flash it to get it working again in when this happens. -- Imagination is more important than knowledge. Albert Einstein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Best thing to run on Freerunner and Neo1973 machines today?
SHR is nice. Phone and gps works well. Music player can be made to work well too. Lots of games and other software is available at opkg.org. yeah i'm settling on this for gta01 for now .. it looks pretty well. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR-unstable, GTA01 (neo1973) and GPS?
Do we still need to install the gllin package on neo1973? Sure If so, how do I do it 'properly' on SHR-testing? Just opkg install it. okay it doesn't seem to be working for some reason. the gta01 has sat on the window for an hour, no fix .. FR got one in 5 minutes. (I have my gllin package always on my SD card) Rest should be taken care of by framreworkd. Last time I checked, this worked with FSO and SHR. is there anything special to do with the /etc/init.d/* scripts and setup of the /tmp/nmeaP file, like we used to have to do with OM? But, as the flash space on GTA01 with SHR is extremely limited, you will not be able to install Navit. i opted for a SD-on-root install, with 4 gigs, so this shouldn't be an issue. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline
Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: mqy meng.qing...@gmail.com writes: It is not a problem that user account is required when download u-blox online aiding data. It is a problem since u-blox might go out of business and you might not want to tell them where you are all time. Their server also might be down. There are plenty of reasons to remove dependency to any single party. It is possible to start an open service, with mirrors. Interested people can set their freerunners to send in good aiding data when they have it (i.e. when using the gps and a network is available.) Such a update gives away where you are, because the satellite constellation is only seen from part of the world. But I believe this part is large enough for privacy. People using the service don't need to give away much. In an extreme case they will download ephemeris data for _all_ satellites, and then do the processing based on approximate location in the phone itself. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 16:52, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: mqy meng.qing...@gmail.com writes: It is not a problem that user account is required when download u-blox online aiding data. It is a problem since u-blox might go out of business and you might not want to tell them where you are all time. Their server also might be down. There are plenty of reasons to remove dependency to any single party. It is possible to start an open service, with mirrors. Interested people can set their freerunners to send in good aiding data when they have it (i.e. when using the gps and a network is available.) Infos downloaded from u-blox are only valid for some time. So if server is down for more than just a short time, it won't help much. And I did not check but not I am not sure u-blox terms of service allow to redistribute... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR-unstable, GTA01 (neo1973) and GPS?
Jay Vaughan wrote: Do we still need to install the gllin package on neo1973? Sure If so, how do I do it 'properly' on SHR-testing? Just opkg install it. okay it doesn't seem to be working for some reason. the gta01 has sat on the window for an hour, no fix .. FR got one in 5 minutes. (I have my gllin package always on my SD card) Rest should be taken care of by framreworkd. Last time I checked, this worked with FSO and SHR. is there anything special to do with the /etc/init.d/* scripts and setup of the /tmp/nmeaP file, like we used to have to do with OM? If nothing is broken, this should do automatically. fso-gpsd should fire up, which does connect to freameworkd. If you connect to gpsd gllin should start. But to be honest, I had mine sitting on the shelf for some time now. But the only thing it get is the GPS-Time. But it could not be totally broken though, because at least I get the time. But it is ondor, maybe the roof changes. It usually works pretty well in this spot. :) But, as the flash space on GTA01 with SHR is extremely limited, you will not be able to install Navit. i opted for a SD-on-root install, with 4 gigs, so this shouldn't be an issue. Btw. Can you share how you did this? Last time I checked this u-boot did not find any partitions. I have the feeling ongoing GTA02 shauvinism had let gta01 information to rot a bit on the wiki. -- Imagination is more important than knowledge. Albert Einstein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR-unstable, GTA01 (neo1973) and GPS?
Tilman Baumann wrote: If nothing is broken, this should do automatically. fso-gpsd should fire up, which does connect to freameworkd. If you connect to gpsd gllin should start. But to be honest, I had mine sitting on the shelf for some time now. But the only thing it get is the GPS-Time. I just re started tango and then it instantly had a position. There is probably something racy... -- Imagination is more important than knowledge. Albert Einstein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO M5] - Answering a Call
Am Wednesday 18 February 2009 16:20:43 schrieb Helge Hafting: Not taking the call until the ringtone stops is actually a good idea, the caller is probably not interested in hearing the last parts of the ringtone. Hehe, true, although on the Neo hardware this won't be a problem since switching the audio scenarios to handset turns off the stereoout. Instead, there is a need for a ringtone player that can be switched off in 0.02s or so. Yes, the Neo is a bit on the too slow side for the gstreamer infrastructure. I guess we might look into something that just dumps out a raw file via /dev/adsp. dbus can run with high priority, so it doesn't become a bottleneck. Sure thing, eventually we will have different one process per framework subsystem which will have different task priorities anyways. Cheers, -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: after Qi no USB in Nor questions
Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no writes: Did you flash Qi to both NAND flash and NOR flash? Flashing NOR is impossible without debug board or messing with hardware. But you have a working image, and linux has device drivers for flash devices. ( /dev/mtd* ) Reading them is no problem. So I believe it is possible to overwrite a flash device while linux is running. It had better not be the rootfs, but boot flash is a different device. Maybe it is as simple as cat imagefile /dev/mtdsomething Get some detailed advice about this though - don't experiment. Don't dare to try that! There're working instructions on the wiki how to flash NAND from a running system: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_Freerunner#Alternative:_using_nandwrite . HTH -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline
On Wednesday 18 February 2009, Cédric Berger wrote: On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 16:52, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: mqy meng.qing...@gmail.com writes: It is not a problem that user account is required when download u-blox online aiding data. It is a problem since u-blox might go out of business and you might not want to tell them where you are all time. Their server also might be down. There are plenty of reasons to remove dependency to any single party. It is possible to start an open service, with mirrors. Interested people can set their freerunners to send in good aiding data when they have it (i.e. when using the gps and a network is available.) Infos downloaded from u-blox are only valid for some time. So if server is down for more than just a short time, it won't help much. And I did not check but not I am not sure u-blox terms of service allow to redistribute... I may be misunderstanding the suggestion, but I don't think it had anything to do with data from ublox. The suggestion was to use data sent by other freerunner users instead of the data supplied by ublox. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 17:49, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: I may be misunderstanding the suggestion, but I don't think it had anything to do with data from ublox. The suggestion was to use data sent by other freerunner users instead of the data supplied by ublox. As I understood the suggestion was in reply to : It is not a problem that user account is required when download u-blox online aiding data. It is a problem since u-blox might go out of business and you might not want to tell them where you are all time. Their server also might be down. There are plenty of reasons to remove dependency to any single party. The problem is that data from u-blox is a proprietary format, and as far as I know, we do not know yet how to create the same data that can be pushed to the GPS chip. So for now we need to get this info from u-blox . Hence the account problem. I understood the suggestion just as way to cache this info in response to the availability problem for u-blox online service. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Safe to move off QtE yet?
Hey all, I've been using my FR as my daily phone since installing QtE 4.4.2 on it some months back.QtE addressed the biggest problem I had with OM2008.9 at the time - I could reliably answer calls after suspend. When I was using OM2008.9 I regularly missed calls because the phone would take so long to unsuspend that I'd miss the call - and if that didn't happen, I'd accidentally hang up because I didn't think it'd registered my click on the 'answer' button. I'm reasonably satisfied with my FR/QtE 4.4.2 solution as a phone - but I'd love to be able to play with some of the more interesting software being developed for the FR. So the question is - are there any other distro's out there that will give me the reliable call answering that QtE gives me? Are the unsuspend problems addressed in 2008.12 with Kustomizer (or with other tweaks?) - or is SHR a safe bet? Thanks, Warren ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] e17 - questions
On 2009.02.17.18.44, Davide Scaini wrote: | - has anyone a working version from fso-pkg of e17+illume? ...it seems that | the keyboard is not working. I'm having the same issue. There is a bug report, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=514021 but I don't know the status beyond that. --Brock ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
HTC Dream Developer Edition / T-Mobile G1
I've heard that there's a special developer edition of the HTC Dream (Marketed in the US and Europe under the name 'T-Mobie G1'), which includes an unlocked boot loader and carrier agnostic GSM access. Does anyone know anything about this device and how it compares to the GTA02 and current plans for the GTA03? I'm interested from a freedom perspective, as well as a hardware and software perspective. Is this phone an option if you want to support open hardware? Does anyone know if its bootloader is capable of booting from SD with arbitrary kernel options and able to recover from screwing around with it like my freerunner/u-boot? Are there any plans to make the FSO framework compatible with the hardware in this device (and, by extension, make Debian and current/future openmoko distributions compatible)? Are there any other freedom issues surrounding this device that I should know about before I consider getting one? -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: HTC Dream Developer Edition / T-Mobile G1
The name of the device is ADP1 , and the hardware is the same as HTC G1, exclude unlocked boot loader. you can buy the device from google , and it's the developer edition for the G1 . it is not a free hardware and the os is android . - doron Daniel Benoy wrote: I've heard that there's a special developer edition of the HTC Dream (Marketed in the US and Europe under the name 'T-Mobie G1'), which includes an unlocked boot loader and carrier agnostic GSM access. Does anyone know anything about this device and how it compares to the GTA02 and current plans for the GTA03? I'm interested from a freedom perspective, as well as a hardware and software perspective. Is this phone an option if you want to support open hardware? Does anyone know if its bootloader is capable of booting from SD with arbitrary kernel options and able to recover from screwing around with it like my freerunner/u-boot? Are there any plans to make the FSO framework compatible with the hardware in this device (and, by extension, make Debian and current/future openmoko distributions compatible)? Are there any other freedom issues surrounding this device that I should know about before I consider getting one? -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: HTC Dream Developer Edition / T-Mobile G1
Hello. On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 14:46, Daniel Benoy wrote: Are there any plans to make the FSO framework compatible with the hardware in this device (and, by extension, make Debian and current/future openmoko distributions compatible)? Funny, I was thinking about exactly this again today. We, FSO, are always looking for promising new devices that gives us the freedom put FSO on it and make it usable. The sad downside is that the G1 dev phone costs around 600USD all in all (399$ device, 180$ shipping to .de, 25$ google developer account. :/) And even if I'm willing to spent time testing FSO out on it I'm not willing to pay such an amount next to the time I had to invest on working with it. One good thing is that we have already have support on the gsm modem side for other HTC devices with a similar chipset and the HTC hacker tell me that it should already work (not tested). regards Stefan Schmidt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: HTC Dream Developer Edition / T-Mobile G1
Daniel Benoy dan...@benoy.name writes: I've heard that there's a special developer edition of the HTC Dream (Marketed in the US and Europe under the name 'T-Mobie G1'), which includes an unlocked boot loader and carrier agnostic GSM access. Does anyone know anything about this device and how it compares to the GTA02 and current plans for the GTA03? I'm interested from a freedom perspective, as well as a hardware and software perspective. Is this phone an option if you want to support open hardware? Does anyone know if its bootloader is capable of booting from SD with arbitrary kernel options and able to recover from screwing around with it like my freerunner/u-boot? Are there any plans to make the FSO framework compatible with the hardware in this device (and, by extension, make Debian and current/future openmoko distributions compatible)? Are there any other freedom issues surrounding this device that I should know about before I consider getting one? I have a Freerunner and a G1 developer phone. I havent had time to play with the g1 too much yet but heres some quick impressions: - The Freerunner has a vastly better screen than the G1 - The Android gui is quite polished and slick, but not overly customizable IMHO. - The G1 has a nice keyboard and a little trackball which is surprisingly usable. - The G1 seems to have better charging, so less aargh factor. - 3g is very nice. The selling point for me when buying the G1 is that I read that its possible to boot debian on it, just like the Freerunner. This should mean that the machine is mostly free, even though I havent been able to research this fully yet. My current which phone would be G1 hardware with Freerunner screen, running Debian with a working FSO stack, I think. I would then use Emacs as Pim dialer etc. -- Joakim Verona ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[2008.12] What freezes my OM?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi list, I'm going to ask hints for a problem I've on my FreeRunner since I installed 2008.12 (December 2008). Apparently randomly, sometimes it freezes and a reboot is required to get it work properly again. It appens most of the time when I open/close a phone call (or usually when I'm managing with the qtopia phone application) or when I'm using TangoGPS, both latest (0.9.5) and previous version. Sometimes it freezes while I'm in my car, crunching km and tracking for OpenStreetMap[1]. Is it related with CPU overload or something similar? Is it related with kernel version (a suggested super-stable kernel?)? Is there a way to read in the logs which is the cause of this problem? Thanks, [1] You could imagine how frustrating could be run in the car for kilometers and discover that the phone has freezed after few km... - -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia Italia Member* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmccjwACgkQRi2TsGSC4FZfVQCgmrmXZOZuolbFXEdS9HHX4noU QicAnR3ERx1t4unar9sG/CXAhF1n0KJw =Xqit -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: HTC Dream Developer Edition / T-Mobile G1
I have one of these. I needed something a little more stable than my FR that allowed me to screw up the os. Other than changes for HW support, I see no reason that it couldn't run FSO. Although I imagine that HTC wouldn't prove helpful in getting the needed information. The problem is, the dev version is out of channel. And I see no chance of anyone building a version like this for public consumption. And the HTC contracts with carrriers will probably keep them from building consumer available unlocked versions for some time, if ever. Android is built to support carrier control and lock in. The cool thing is someone has already hacked together multi touch support and made the code available online. You can even hack it into a locked phone. I doubt google will add his patches upstream. Maybe time to branch android to allow for things google won't allow. I would love to see this kind of hard touchscreen in the GTA03. On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Daniel Benoy dan...@benoy.name wrote: I've heard that there's a special developer edition of the HTC Dream (Marketed in the US and Europe under the name 'T-Mobie G1'), which includes an unlocked boot loader and carrier agnostic GSM access. Does anyone know anything about this device and how it compares to the GTA02 and current plans for the GTA03? I'm interested from a freedom perspective, as well as a hardware and software perspective. Is this phone an option if you want to support open hardware? Does anyone know if its bootloader is capable of booting from SD with arbitrary kernel options and able to recover from screwing around with it like my freerunner/u-boot? Are there any plans to make the FSO framework compatible with the hardware in this device (and, by extension, make Debian and current/future openmoko distributions compatible)? Are there any other freedom issues surrounding this device that I should know about before I consider getting one? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: HTC Dream Developer Edition / T-Mobile G1
If I were to get this I would gladly act as a beta tester. I could also set it up on my network and give developers shell access, if that's what's needed. However, my primary concern if it's actually open, or if it's filled with super secret patented stuff or otherwise tries to lock me down. I'd need to know that before I even considered it. On Wednesday 18 February 2009 15:05:04 you wrote: Hello. On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 14:46, Daniel Benoy wrote: Are there any plans to make the FSO framework compatible with the hardware in this device (and, by extension, make Debian and current/future openmoko distributions compatible)? Funny, I was thinking about exactly this again today. We, FSO, are always looking for promising new devices that gives us the freedom put FSO on it and make it usable. The sad downside is that the G1 dev phone costs around 600USD all in all (399$ device, 180$ shipping to .de, 25$ google developer account. :/) And even if I'm willing to spent time testing FSO out on it I'm not willing to pay such an amount next to the time I had to invest on working with it. One good thing is that we have already have support on the gsm modem side for other HTC devices with a similar chipset and the HTC hacker tell me that it should already work (not tested). regards Stefan Schmidt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Best thing to run on Freerunner and Neo1973 machines today?
I'm having lots of fun with Debian. I put an 8GB card in my freerunner, and put Debian, zhone, and illume on it. (Illume is a fairly recent development, and it still doesn't work quite right. Here's how you install it if you're interested: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#Illume) Some spiffy projects once you get your OS going: - Bluetooth headsets - GPRS internet access - GPS (I made a page on my Blog that plots my position when the phone is online. It involved setting up dynamic DNS using bind on my personal server. Fun stuff!) - Maybe some games like ScummVM I'm also interested trying to set up some VoIP stuff but I've yet to find any really suitable software. On Wednesday 18 February 2009 06:33:56 you wrote: Hiya gang, After a few months of ignoring the OpenMoko scene while I concentrated on other things (beagleboard/openpandora) I find myself looking at my neo1973 and freerunner gear, and thinking its time to do something interesting with these devices again. But I have no idea what is going on with the FR these days .. So, I turn to you guys: what would you recommend I put on both/either of these machines for a bit of fun today? FDOM, SHR, something else? In terms of easy-to-get fun factor, what do you guys suggest? ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.12] What freezes my OM?
Francesco de Virgilio fradev...@gmail.com writes: Is it related with CPU overload or something similar? Is it related with kernel version (a suggested super-stable kernel?)? Is there a way to read in the logs which is the cause of this problem? Add panic=15 to kernel command line to have it automatically reboot on panic. modprobe s3c2410_wdt and configure watchdogd to reboot the system if it is not responding. Patch the kernel with http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2135/ramconsole-1.patch to have kernel logs persist over reboot. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Best thing to run on Freerunner and Neo1973 machines today?
Daniel Benoy dan...@benoy.name writes: I'm also interested trying to set up some VoIP stuff but I've yet to find any really suitable software. netcat works for very simple demonstrations :-) target$ netcat -l -p 1234 | aplay -r 44100 -f S16_LE fr$ alsactl -f voip-handset.state restore fr$ arecord -r 44100 -f S16_LE | netcat target.example.com 1234 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.12] What freezes my OM?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks :D In the meantime I've found this[1] on ML. I'll try first Trevino's kernel, and if it will not solve my situation I'll switch to log reading :D Thanks again ;) Timo Juhani Lindfors ha scritto: Francesco de Virgilio fradev...@gmail.com writes: Is it related with CPU overload or something similar? Is it related with kernel version (a suggested super-stable kernel?)? Is there a way to read in the logs which is the cause of this problem? Add panic=15 to kernel command line to have it automatically reboot on panic. modprobe s3c2410_wdt and configure watchdogd to reboot the system if it is not responding. Patch the kernel with http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2135/ramconsole-1.patch to have kernel logs persist over reboot. - -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia Italia Member* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmcejEACgkQRi2TsGSC4FbQWwCdEw5myoWuKz7Qm6o1PyuPxpO4 4ggAnjiKPBWP9p/7YaUBuGek00JbWvVa =Qatp -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.12] What freezes my OM?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Be patient :D The link in the previous mail was [1] [1] http://tinyurl.com/d5yenk Timo Juhani Lindfors ha scritto: Francesco de Virgilio fradev...@gmail.com writes: Is it related with CPU overload or something similar? Is it related with kernel version (a suggested super-stable kernel?)? Is there a way to read in the logs which is the cause of this problem? Add panic=15 to kernel command line to have it automatically reboot on panic. modprobe s3c2410_wdt and configure watchdogd to reboot the system if it is not responding. Patch the kernel with http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2135/ramconsole-1.patch to have kernel logs persist over reboot. - -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia Italia Member* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmcepYACgkQRi2TsGSC4FbASwCfWPxpHDxeH3w23lekuSTY2nkh +uMAoI9arBuo2Yt8KdFNgTrPePw8HJid =B18G -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO M5] - Answering a Call
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@openmoko.org writes: guess we might look into something that just dumps out a raw file via /dev/adsp. A better solution is using something like supercollider, a synth, to generate the ring tones and every other sound we need. A synth should also be an integral part of any desktop system. A programmable synth can also adapt to every situation, which a static file cannot. -- Esben Stien is b...@e s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: HTC Dream Developer Edition / T-Mobile G1
2009/2/18 Daniel Benoy dan...@benoy.name If I were to get this I would gladly act as a beta tester. I could also set it up on my network and give developers shell access, if that's what's needed. However, my primary concern if it's actually open, or if it's filled with super secret patented stuff or otherwise tries to lock me down. I'd need to know that before I even considered it. I'm not an expert, but as others have pointed out, the G1 hardware is not open. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO M5] - Answering a Call
2009/2/17 SCarlson scottrcarl...@gmail.com Hello All -- Does anyone know a good fix for the answer call delay.. When I get a call, I hit the answer button, and it takes approx. 3-5 seconds for the phone to actually pick the call up??? What the heck is it doing? heh... Has anyone tweaked around with this yet? -Scott I noticed this on Om2008.12 and others, so not really specific to FSO. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
QTExtended freezes on GPRS
Hi everyone, I've started a thread about this problem a few weeks back, but I think I explained it wrong. Whenever QT Extended logs in to GPRS the frontend freezes. And I really do mean only the frontend. I can still SSH into the device and whatnot, the screen will just stay completely static, it won't take any input anymore. Does someone know what the cause could be? Greetings, Jelle De Loecker ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Best thing to run on Freerunner and Neo1973 machines today?
On Wednesday 18 February 2009, Daniel Benoy wrote: I'm having lots of fun with Debian. I put an 8GB card in my freerunner, [snip] I'm also interested trying to set up some VoIP stuff but I've yet to find any really suitable software. linphone should be available for debian. It won't switch mixer states automatically but it should at least work. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: HTC Dream Developer Edition / T-Mobile G1
joakim wrote: The selling point for me when buying the G1 is that I read that its possible to boot debian on it, just like the Freerunner. Unfortunately that's not quite true, at present. What people have done is to loop mount a canned debian filesystem and chroot to it, allowing you to use most of the debian userspace. At least one guy took it further and used unionfs to achieve a sort-of merged debian and android filesystem. As yet I'm unaware of debian actually being able to install/boot on G1. I looked into this as I was interested in a merged debian/android on FR, using android UI but with debian underneath. No joy yet. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/HTC-Dream-Developer-Edition---T-Mobile-G1-tp2348982p2350138.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: HTC Dream Developer Edition / T-Mobile G1
scholbert wrote: joakim wrote: The selling point for me when buying the G1 is that I read that its possible to boot debian on it, just like the Freerunner. Unfortunately that's not quite true, at present. What people have done is to loop mount a canned debian filesystem and chroot to it, allowing you to use most of the debian userspace. At least one guy took it further and used unionfs to achieve a sort-of merged debian and android filesystem. As yet I'm unaware of debian actually being able to install/boot on G1. I looked into this as I was interested in a merged debian/android on FR, using android UI but with debian underneath. No joy yet. How bizarre, if you forget to login it posts as scholbert -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/HTC-Dream-Developer-Edition---T-Mobile-G1-tp2348982p2350151.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
How to get my wifi work on FreeRunner
Dear All, Currently I have just loaded with Qt Extended flash image for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02) version 4.4.2 from below link. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Latest_Images#Qtopia_images How can I can wifi work? Any help is appreciated. Thanks. -- Daniel.Li lida_m...@163.com PALFocus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Safe to move off QtE yet?
Hi. try FSO. SHR is good but wakes up a little bit slower than FSO. On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 1:14 AM, Warren Baird photogeek...@gmail.comwrote: Hey all, I've been using my FR as my daily phone since installing QtE 4.4.2 on it some months back.QtE addressed the biggest problem I had with OM2008.9 at the time - I could reliably answer calls after suspend. When I was using OM2008.9 I regularly missed calls because the phone would take so long to unsuspend that I'd miss the call - and if that didn't happen, I'd accidentally hang up because I didn't think it'd registered my click on the 'answer' button. I'm reasonably satisfied with my FR/QtE 4.4.2 solution as a phone - but I'd love to be able to play with some of the more interesting software being developed for the FR. So the question is - are there any other distro's out there that will give me the reliable call answering that QtE gives me? Are the unsuspend problems addressed in 2008.12 with Kustomizer (or with other tweaks?) - or is SHR a safe bet? Thanks, Warren ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Best Regards HouYu Li, Karajan karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com karadog (at) gmail.com lihouyu (at) phpex.net PHP Programmer Red Hat Certified Engineer 15th Feb, 2008 Shanghai, China ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] e17 - questions
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:26:19 -0500 Brock awwa...@thelackthereof.org said: On 2009.02.17.18.44, Davide Scaini wrote: | - has anyone a working version from fso-pkg of e17+illume? ...it seems that | the keyboard is not working. I'm having the same issue. There is a bug report, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=514021 but I don't know the status beyond that. you build ecore without libxtst (xtest) extension support - that's why. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Query] Known Good SD cards
Hi everyone, I need some guidance on uSD cards because i tried a few locally available to my town but none are working. My understanding is that its the quality or I am making a mistake in compatibility. I need some help in understanding this issue. If there are known to be working SD cards then I would order from some other place if not available locally. Thanks. -- Shaz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Safe to move off QtE yet?
2009/2/19 HouYu Li kara...@gmail.com Hi. try FSO. SHR is good but wakes up a little bit slower than FSO. Does FSO come with Paroli now? Is it better than Zhone? I used Zhone for a while, but it's unusable for me, although pretty. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
