Re: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-21 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 08:26:59 Radek Polak wrote: On Thursday, February 20, 2014 08:38:35 PM Michael Spacefalcon wrote: I am also convinced that the *real* reason why Openmoko = failure in the general public's perception is precisely because of that NDA and no one having broken it during

GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread Bob Ham
On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 08:54 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: We ... are working on a 3.14 kernel and getting things mainline Why? The GTA04 is not usable as a daily phone. Why would you waste time on the kernel instead of working on the problems that prevent the board being used? Why

Re: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-21 Thread Radek Polak
On Friday, February 21, 2014 09:15:27 AM joerg Reisenweber wrote: Openmoko is different - they never provided SW for reliable phone. Openmoko never provided stable maintainable kernel - instead they wasted their time on doing 4 ugly unusable distros while at the time they had perfectly

Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 10:03:47 Bob Ham wrote: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 08:54 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: We ... are working on a 3.14 kernel and getting things mainline Why? The GTA04 is not usable as a daily phone. Why would you waste time on the kernel instead of working on

Re: changing IMEI

2014-02-21 Thread Neal H. Walfield
At Thu, 20 Feb 2014 16:31:46 +0100, joerg Reisenweber wrote: On Thu 20 February 2014 15:27:33 Neal H. Walfield wrote: Why do you think the only use for a mobile phone is to make calls? If I only make a data connection and am careful to tunnel all of my data via Tor, then this

Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 21.02.2014 um 10:03 schrieb Bob Ham: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 08:54 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: We ... are working on a 3.14 kernel and getting things mainline Why? The GTA04 is not usable as a daily phone. Why would you waste time on the kernel instead of working on the

Re: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-21 Thread Michael Spacefalcon
Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: But there are other points of view. E.g. some people expect the phone ring when friends/wife/customer calls. Yes, that's exactly what I seek out of my cellphone too. And that is why I require having the source for all sw/fw involved in this telephony

Re: changing IMEI

2014-02-21 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 10:17:26 Neal H. Walfield wrote: And no, you probably can't use a VPN to have only encrypted data transferred over the air. I don't think there are any free and open VPN endpoints available. Using Tor avoids this problem. Check it out:

Re: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-21 Thread Liz
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 10:10:23 +0100 Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: Well, IMO you should always start with something simple and working. I'd been happy if Freerunner was running from day 0 simple, reliable, power management friendly distro with Accept call and Read SMS. Community does the

Re: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-21 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 10:36:59 Michael Spacefalcon wrote: VLR, SF Do yourself a favor and ask some of your friends with a more down-to-earth mindset before you ever again consider posting such mails. When you don't get it, go and ask your friends, maybe they also can explain to you why I

Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread Bob Ham
On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: the kernel controls the power drain. How has that been determined? -- Bob Ham r...@settrans.net for (;;) { ++pancakes; } signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 10:54:23 Bob Ham wrote: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: the kernel controls the power drain. How has that been determined? Roughly same way as Pi -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org -

Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 10:54:23 Bob Ham wrote: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: the kernel controls the power drain. How has that been determined? Your initial rant sounded much similar to the plot: blame the architect for not working on the electrics of

[no subject]

2014-02-21 Thread David Matthews
2.6.29-rc seems quite stable but the patch against mainline is horrible, besides it's power management is worse then it could be. 2.6.39 has hardly nearly unreproducible problem with resume. Now we have free firmware which is cool Yes it is, and those who do not believe so should allow

Re: void (was: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)))

2014-02-21 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 11:43:08 David Matthews wrote: Yes it is, and those who do not believe so should allow those of us that do value it to enjoy it in peace :-0 - I at least do not need to be told repeatedly how foolish I am for delighting over something someone else believes has zero

Re:

2014-02-21 Thread Radek Polak
On Friday, February 21, 2014 11:43:08 AM David Matthews wrote: An occasional reboot is necessary, but no sporadic problem with resume. Power consumption is not great and I wonder if that would be improved by ripping out some stuff I don't need - I would forgo QtMaze for the odd micro amp ^_~

Re: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-21 Thread David Matthews
Please don't polemize! ROTFL - are you asking me not to bring disagreement here? Incidentally - you're input on the IMEI topic (and much else), is not unappreciated (by me), but freeing the GSM firmware is *cool* Best wishes -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org

Re: QtMoko current status

2014-02-21 Thread Nick
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 12:01:33PM +0100, Radek Polak wrote: Power while suspended has improved very much with 2.6.39. For me it is ~6mA which makes nearly 200 hours in standby. So what's the current status of QtMoko? Did removing the wifi module make suspending reliable now? Is there anything

Re: GSM frequency bands in the USA

2014-02-21 Thread Ed Kapitein
Hi Nick, Thanks for the change in tone, for me it was more then welcome. I have been to the USA with my FR and had no problem whatsoever in connecting to the network, also the gprs worked just fine. I did bought a USA sim card on ebay, just to cut the costs. I traveled California, Nevada,

Re: [QtMoko] new svg keyboard

2014-02-21 Thread Giacomo 'giotti' Mariani
Ciao Joif, your new keyboard is absolutely amazing, thanks a lot. There is only one small problem: it does not work well with x11vnc: it seems that the keys are not mapped or, in some case, not mapped correctly. By the way, the remote keyboard in x11vnc works correctly with

Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 21.02.2014 um 10:54 schrieb Bob Ham: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: the kernel controls the power drain. How has that been determined? Please find the answer and tell us about the results. ___ Openmoko

Re: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)

2014-02-21 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 21.02.2014 um 10:36 schrieb Michael Spacefalcon: I invite every = remaining Openmoko GTA01/02 owner to cannibalize their device for a = GTA04A5 motherboard. There is a special place in Hell reserved for murderers of good free hardware like you. ROFL - you are believing in Hell and you

Re: GSM frequency bands in the USA

2014-02-21 Thread Andrew Schenck
I can corroborate that report. Bought my FR from Belgium, so I presume its the 900/1800/1900 version, but I haven't found any way to verify that. It works fine in San Francisco, CA and Chicago and central Illinois on Simplemobile (which uses T-Mobile's network). -Andrew On 2/21/2014 4:37

Re: [QtMoko] new svg keyboard

2014-02-21 Thread Francesco De Vita
your new keyboard is absolutely amazing, thanks a lot. you're welcome (: There is only one small problem: it does not work well with x11vnc: it seems that the keys are not mapped or, in some case, not mapped correctly. Actually I never thought it could work with x11vnc. I think we should

Re: GSM frequency bands in the USA

2014-02-21 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 21.02.2014 um 18:51 schrieb Andrew Schenck: I can corroborate that report. Bought my FR from Belgium, so I presume its the 900/1800/1900 version, but I haven't found any way to verify that. 1. remove battery cover 2. take out battery 3. look at serial number sticker under battery 4.

Re: GSM frequency bands in the USA

2014-02-21 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 18:51:37 Andrew Schenck wrote: its the 900/1800/1900 version, but I haven't found any way to verify On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 12:07 +, Nick wrote: there. It is a European 900/1800/1900MHz version (I presume - I bought it 2nd hand - is there an easy way to check?).

Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread Bob Ham
On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 18:15 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 21.02.2014 um 10:54 schrieb Bob Ham: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: the kernel controls the power drain. How has that been determined? Please find the answer and tell us

Re: GSM frequency bands in the USA

2014-02-21 Thread Andrew Schenck
That's much easier than I thought it would be, then I can confirm that I have the wrong 900/1800/1900MHz but it still works fine. -Andrew On 2/21/2014 10:03 AM, joerg Reisenweber wrote: On Fri 21 February 2014 18:51:37 Andrew Schenck wrote: its the 900/1800/1900 version, but I haven't found

Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 19:22:00 Bob Ham wrote: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 18:15 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 21.02.2014 um 10:54 schrieb Bob Ham: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: the kernel controls the power drain. How has that been

Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))

2014-02-21 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 21 February 2014 19:22:00 Bob Ham wrote: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 18:15 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 21.02.2014 um 10:54 schrieb Bob Ham: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: the kernel controls the power drain. How has that been

Re: GSM frequency bands in the USA

2014-02-21 Thread Michael Spacefalcon
Nick openmoko-commun...@njw.me.uk wrote: I'm going to the USA soon, Do you know which part of USA? and would ideally like to use my GTA02 there. It is a European 900/1800/1900MHz version (I presume - I bought it 2nd hand - is there an easy way to check?). As others have said, look at the