Henryk Plötz wrote:
> Am Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:26:20 +0930 schrieb Rod Whitby:
>> The silence-retrieved-revisions patch is the other culprit. This
>> seemed to be debugging information that was output during the bbfile
>> parsing. Perhaps mickeyl could add that patch permanently to the
>> openmoko s
There are a couple of Google Summer of Code applications that involve
building a mapping application on OpenMoko. Hopefully one of these
get's funded. At the very least that will demonstrate the viability of
OpenMoko and the Neo1973 as a mobile mapping platform that commercial
vendors can then con
I agree that while this is unlikely, it's the best option for all involved.
You would need a software company to write that binary library though...
which would probably not be a particularly profitable enterprise.
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I just thought of another (yes, probably unlikely) possibility, but
maybe worth considering. A map provider could keep their data in a
closed format and provide a closed source binary library API for
interfacing with the data.
This way open source developers could have their own front-end
interfa
On 4/2/07, Paul McMillan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It's nice to have rational conversation and argument about this, rather than
the great amounts of handwringing which sometimes constitute the bulk of
these discussions...
Agreed :-)
I agree... there's very little reason for us to cache the
On 4/2/07, Andrew Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
Right, but the bigger question is if Google wanted to develop &
support their GmapsMobile for OpenMoko. This will be difficult.
I think this is a common misconception. Google Maps Mobile runs on
Java(J2ME), so as long as the phone can sup
It's nice to have rational conversation and argument about this, rather than
the great amounts of handwringing which sometimes constitute the bulk of
these discussions...
The "burden" of a skype client is not primarily in the UI, most people
would be happy to just have a way to run Skype on thei
On 4/2/07, Paul McMillan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Adrian, thanks for an insider's viewpoint.
Likewise, thanks for this detailed response.
What you describe (a Linux/ARM gateway binary) would be an acceptable
solution for many people, since it wouldn't overly burden the device with a
full-b
wim delvaux wrote:
Seems to confirm parent's interpretation. The code is closed, and 'free'
only in so far as Nokia are allowing a no-cost download of the beta
version. Navigation is a paid-for upgrade. The license agreement prevents
redistribution of the data files, and prevents reverse-engineer
What if somebody writes a free application that works but with charts that
cost money ?
You can't buy the charts. They are protected by various technical and
licensing methods in each of the products you use. The companies can't take
the risk of an open source software product revealing and d
>
> Seems to confirm parent's interpretation. The code is closed, and 'free'
> only in so far as Nokia are allowing a no-cost download of the beta
> version. Navigation is a paid-for upgrade. The license agreement prevents
> redistribution of the data files, and prevents reverse-engineering of the
Am 02.04.2007 um 22:07 schrieb Matthew S. Hamrick:
Apple is well know for good design... i.e. - understanding the
interplay between psychology, manufacturing technology and materials.
In terms of hardware quality, they've never been consistently good.
For instance, my 450MHz G4 tower is st
Apple is well know for good design... i.e. - understanding the
interplay between psychology, manufacturing technology and materials.
In terms of hardware quality, they've never been consistently good.
For instance, my 450MHz G4 tower is still crankin' away after 8
years. My G5 and photo iPo
D'oh!
I forgot to credit Dick Gabriel (of Lucid fame (or infamy, depending
on your opinion of Lisp and C++)) for the concept of how important
evolution is in software development.
He's penned a number of very interesting papers, available at his
site: http://www.dreamsongs.com/Essays.htm
Something else worth mentioning, regarding road usage, is that on a much
larger scale, we could get fairly accurate road data automatically if every
phone recorded where it went (unless the functionality was turned off) and
just uploaded that data automatically to a server when it was near an acce
Regarding the repeated requests for google maps on the device:
YES IT IS POSSIBLE. YOU DO NOT WANT IT.
According to the terms, you aren't allowed to cache the data for further use
later. This means that you have to download the images over GPRS every time
you pass through an area. These images a
Depends on the development model. Peter Naur has an interesting take
on software development, which I paraphrase... The software that's
released is an artifact of the true value of the organization; the
ability to efficiently communicate models in the problem space
amongst the people that a
According to OSM's wiki
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Getting_Involved#Recording_tracks_using_a_GPS_receiver
Step 5), it would be a copyright violation to use Google Maps in any
way to fill data into OSM. OSM insists in their guides that you note
street names while you're traveling, si
Adrian, thanks for an insider's viewpoint.
What you describe (a Linux/ARM gateway binary) would be an acceptable
solution for many people, since it wouldn't overly burden the device with a
full-blown Skype client, and would provide the connectivity to integrate
Skype contacts alongside sip and ot
On 4/2/07, Steven ** <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
According to OSM's wiki
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Getting_Involved#Recording_tracks_using_a_GPS_receiver
Step 5), it would be a copyright violation to use Google Maps in any
way to fill data into OSM. OSM insists in their guides that
Jonathon Suggs wrote:
Andrew Turner wrote:
Caching googlemaps tiles, and not through their client, is a violation
of their Terms of Service. Same for all the other providers.
Here's an interesting question. What if you constantly logged your
position (while driving). Then when you got ba
Andrew Turner wrote:
Caching googlemaps tiles, and not through their client, is a violation
of their Terms of Service. Same for all the other providers.
Here's an interesting question. What if you constantly logged your
position (while driving). Then when you got back home, you could uplo
Quoting Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller on 04/02/2007 07:29 AM UTC:
> I think that the Neo is also seen as some competition to the iPhone -
> and Apple
> is known for high hardware quality standards.
Now please, this is some illusion.. I've had & heard of many problems with
apple hardware.. :)
- xkr47
Andrew Turner wrote:
On 4/2/07, adrian cockcroft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm happy with the capabilities of Google maps, except that it doesn't
know where I am
http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=189
The UK Ordnance Survey - national mapping agency - is incorporating
their data into OSM, an
On Monday 02 April 2007 00:38, Florent THIERY wrote:
> > > i'm pretty curious to know what exactly the touchscreen sees when you
> > > touch the screen with 2 fingers at the same time, when you move them,
> > > when you move only one of the 2, etc, ...).
> >
> > The output is the center of the
I was looking on the wiki just to see if any decision has been made on
the Wifi chipsets to go into the next version of the openmoko.
Although I suggested the SyChip devices (admittedly only to have the
chance to win a Neo), I should say a couple of things.
I do a lot of arm development, and
On 4/2/07, adrian cockcroft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm happy with the capabilities of Google maps, except that it doesn't
know where I am
Caching googlemaps tiles, and not through their client, is a violation
of their Terms of Service. Same for all the other providers. So
you're restri
>..."Given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow."
>I wish there were a way to apply this to hardware,
>without the costs being astronomical.
Unfortunately, this turns out not to be completely true, even for
software. Given enough eyeballs, most localized programming errors are
fairly shallow, b
I'm happy with the capabilities of Google maps, except that it doesn't
know where I am
So given java support on OpenMoko, I think there is already a fairly
generic mobile Java version of Google Maps that should just work...
However to interface to the GPS we will need a modified version. I
th
On Monday 02 April 2007 12:36, wim delvaux wrote:
> On Monday 02 April 2007 11:42:51 Attila Csipa wrote:
> > On Monday 02 April 2007 08:13, Hans L wrote:
> > > I guess it is a question of whether the map providers are willing to
> > > cooperate and divulge the details of their file format to an ope
First: I work for eBay, I'm a Skype beta tester and have helped
develop/test the Skype Java API. I'm not speaking here in any official
capacity.
Keeping to the technology issues, Skype for mobile is targeted at
Symbian and Windows mobile, Skype desktop for Linux runs on x86, its
being worked on b
If I remember correctly the company of smart2go was bought by Nokia
last year.
So I don't think they will support other phones but Nokias in near
future.
Regards
Karsten
On Monday 02 April 2007 11:42:51 Attila Csipa wrote:
> On Monday 02 April 2007 08:13, Hans L wrote:
> > I guess it is a questio
If the touchscreen reports the last touch and two fingers cause the
position to hop between two points then the driver just needs an
algorithm that reports the last two places and has some smoothing and
clustering built in. Given low level access to the hardware this
shouldn't be too difficult to
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
> All along we've taking the stance that openness goes deeper than
> just source code. And we don't plan on stopping today because of pesky
> hardware delays. So, I'm letting you know there will be some delays.
>
> Engineers worked through the weekend trying to verify the l
Their GO products are also ARM based if I recall correctly, so in theory
it should be possible to provide the expected ABI and run the proprietary
parts.
And IMHO the EULA doesn't prohibit running TomTom on another device, as
long as you remove the program from the original device..
>From the Tom
On Monday 02 April 2007 11:42:51 Attila Csipa wrote:
> On Monday 02 April 2007 08:13, Hans L wrote:
> > I guess it is a question of whether the map providers are willing to
> > cooperate and divulge the details of their file format to an open source
> > project, or alternatively converting their da
On Monday 02 April 2007 08:13, Hans L wrote:
> I guess it is a question of whether the map providers are willing to
> cooperate and divulge the details of their file format to an open source
> project, or alternatively converting their data into some open format for
> use with such a project.
In m
Just wanted to add that I'm interested in such a solution too, I'm
willing to pay for the maps, but I don't like the idea of having some
proprietary software on my phone, I would appreciate the solution of an
opensource GPS Navigation Application in connection with the maps from
Teleatlas, etc.
there's been a long running discussion on getting java up and running...
what would be the possibility of tying into the gmaps mobile interface? does
anyone who reads licences better than I know if this violates the EULA?
maybe we could talk google into doing a custom version? they do it for quite
(I honestly hate gmails lack of replying to the proper address)
On 4/2/07, Tehn Yit Chin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't mean this to be a flippant remark, but how about google map as
> a OpenStreetMap replacement?
Google Maps is not a collection of mapping data, it licenses and pays
for fr
Sean,
thank you *very* much for your openness in this aspect as well!
The latest hardware spin -- GTA01B_V4 was supposed to fix the few
remaining issues keeping us from setting phones free; but, we
uncovered
some other issues.
From my own experience in the Mobile Phone business, I know that
I don't mean this to be a flippant remark, but how about google map as
a OpenStreetMap replacement?
On 4/2/07, Hans L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Just wanted to say that I am another user that would be interested in a
commercial mapping application running on an OpenMoko device. I realize
that m
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