Re: Custom case designs...

2007-07-03 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Tuesday 03 July 2007 19:58:10 Tim Newsom wrote: > Or how about this... Cases from recycled materials.. > > Neo1973.. Free your phone, open your horizons, save the world... > Good for you, great for the environment. Swiss PET recycling organization currently has a campaign like that: "Don't th

Re: public access point database

2007-07-03 Thread Ryan Prior
That's not as far as it goes, either -- if the software required to set up and maintain a geolocation database is free and open source, then anybody who does not trust the central provider can set up a dedicated machine with any desired level of security and privacy measures taken. There are some

Re: public access point database

2007-07-03 Thread Nick Johnson
On 7/4/07, Ryan Prior <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You seem to imply that there is a technical infeasibility that cannot be overcome. If the public point database were segregated by a UNIX-style permissions system and connected to via SSH, wouldn't it be just about as safe as any public file server

Re: community Digest, Vol 34, Issue 17

2007-07-03 Thread Thomas Gstädtner
I'd also be interested in some 3d-scans of the Neo's cover, because I want a stainless-steel cover :) There are a lot of people with the equippment to build covers, but less with 3d scanners. 2007/7/3, Tim Newsom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 9:50, Michael Sersen wrote: > About custo

Re: public access point database

2007-07-03 Thread Ryan Prior
You seem to imply that there is a technical infeasibility that cannot be overcome. If the public point database were segregated by a UNIX-style permissions system and connected to via SSH, wouldn't it be just about as safe as any public file server or database? Files that are "shared" can be acces

Re: Custom case designs...

2007-07-03 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Tuesday 03 July 2007 19:03:47 adrian cockcroft wrote: > I've been designing cases for the homebrew mobile club, posting the design > files on the wiki and producing them on a 3D printer. > > http://www.hbmobile.org/wiki/index.php?title=Portrait_oriented_case > > I can get these individually made

Re: Why iPhone using AJAX was genius

2007-07-03 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Tuesday 03 July 2007 17:03:13 Attila Csipa wrote: > Neo1973, like, without case/microSD/power adapter/battery/etc (possibly > even without display), just the finished PCB with components ? I think Sean is actively working towards that goal. At least he seemed to like that idea very much. Migh

Re: Come see OpenMoko at Ubuntu Live

2007-07-03 Thread Ryan Prior
On 7/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OpenMoko was offered a "custom" Sponsorship which includes a booth but not a speaking opportunity. However, we are free to organize a BoF. I presume there is interest in such? If so, I'll go ahead and schedule one. I'll go ahead and thr

Re: Group purchase/shipping generally

2007-07-03 Thread Flyin_bbb8
yea that would be great, then we can have a section on the wiki where there would be alot of countries and the people in each country can then discuss about the dates and make an agreement On 7/3/07, Thomas Gstädtner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, before some days Hans van der Merwe asked,

Re: GPS trail - crazy idea

2007-07-03 Thread Werner Almesberger
Nick Johnson wrote: > Why not just use NMEA sentences directly? They're simple to read, and > more versatile. Sure. Just wanted to skip the math and modularize the thing. - Werner -- _ / Werner Almesberger, Buenos Aires,

Re: GPS trail - crazy idea

2007-07-03 Thread Nick Johnson
On 7/4/07, Werner Almesberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The "current location" interface should probably be generic, e.g., reading messages from a Unix domain socket. We can then feed it with fake test data and/or slap on a converter from NMEA. Why not just use NMEA sentences directly? They'r

GPS trail - crazy idea

2007-07-03 Thread Werner Almesberger
Hi all, I was wondering of any of the Gtk gurus hanging out here could do me a little favour. I have this idea that's haunting me in my sleep, but I don't have the time to implement it. It should be really easy to do, though. The idea is to have a GPS tracker/mapper that uses a very simple GUI wi

Re: Come see OpenMoko at Ubuntu Live

2007-07-03 Thread michael
On Tue, 3 Jul 2007, Ryan Prior wrote: On 7/3/07, Ryan Prior <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > Hey! I just noticed that we are listed on the conference homepage! > http://www.ubuntulive.com/ Hopefully this will increase awarenes

Re: t-shirts in the US

2007-07-03 Thread Jeff Andros
I'm not familiar with spreadshirt's stuff, but I know that some of the shirts on cafepress are done with a direct dye process(dye goes directly into the fabric)... which means no big plasticy sticky thing on the shirt(I really hate that stuff). If spreadshirts can give the same thing, I don't rea

Re: Custom case designs... (the business perspective)

2007-07-03 Thread Tim Newsom
Note... I did ask about permission and we were told to wait on discussing with official personel till phase 2 of the phone. So scanning the actual case and building a knockoff would (in my opinion and until I am corrected by FIC / Sean or other person with some authority) be a violation of t

Re: t-shirts in the US

2007-07-03 Thread Daniel Willmann
Hi, On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:46:23 -0700 "Brad Pitcher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What's the status on the availability of openmoko t-shirts in the > US? I checked on cafepress and spreadshirt.com and I couldn't find > anything. I'd really like one of those shirts to wear at Ubuntu > Live/OSCON

Re: Package manager

2007-07-03 Thread Al Johnson
Calendar and contact sync will be by SyncML so we don't need to write desktop apps for sync. The phone appears as a USB network device among other things, so should be able to use the computer's network connection if everything's configured correctly. There might be a case for a helper app to do

Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)

2007-07-03 Thread Nick Johnson
On 7/4/07, Niels L. Ellegaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That sounds like great fun. Do you plan to introduce a central server and use a critical radius of a kilometer, or do you want to use wifi. I guess that wifi requires a fairly large userbase. Is it possible to design a system that worked wi

Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)

2007-07-03 Thread Nick Johnson
On 7/3/07, Urivan Saaib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I noticed the freebase.com website requires invitation, do you have access to it? Also, the license of the service is free for non-commercial only, do you have any considerations in this topic? How will this affect the adoption of new development

Re: Custom case designs... (the business perspective)

2007-07-03 Thread Tim Newsom
On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 12:56, Matthew S. Hamrick wrote: Also.. to follow up on what Adrian recently said.. The tech shop also has a CNC milling machine. I'm no expert, but I believe that the idea is that you put a CAD file in one side and take out a completed part out the other. So... if you hav

Re: Come see OpenMoko at Ubuntu Live

2007-07-03 Thread Ryan Prior
On 7/3/07, Ryan Prior <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > Hey! I just noticed that we are listed on the conference homepage! > http://www.ubuntulive.com/ Hopefully this will increase awareness and > interest. That probably means that FIC

Re: Custom case designs... (the business perspective)

2007-07-03 Thread Robin Paulson
Is it legal to sell these cases? The design may be based in no small part on work done by FIC, who will not be impressed by us stamping on their IP. We don't want to take the piss - they are helping us a lot. Making a few one-offs for ourselves, with no profit is ok, but as soon as we start marke

t-shirts in the US

2007-07-03 Thread Brad Pitcher
What's the status on the availability of openmoko t-shirts in the US? I checked on cafepress and spreadshirt.com and I couldn't find anything. I'd really like one of those shirts to wear at Ubuntu Live/OSCON. Thanks, Brad ___ OpenMoko community mailing

Re: Brainstorm: less functionality per device, more devices

2007-07-03 Thread hank williams
A company called bugLabs is working on this concept. http://www.buglabs.net/ They have not publicly announced the details of their product, but the idea of modular (probably open source) pocket consumer electronics seems to be their focus. Hank On 7/3/07, Jonas Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: Come see OpenMoko at Ubuntu Live

2007-07-03 Thread Ryan Prior
On 7/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey! I just noticed that we are listed on the conference homepage! http://www.ubuntulive.com/ Hopefully this will increase awareness and interest. That probably means that FIC / OpenMoko paid Canonical / Ubuntu a bunch of money -- evide

Re: Come see OpenMoko at Ubuntu Live

2007-07-03 Thread michael
Yes, we are at booth #30, and the exhibit hall is free. Note online registration closes July 21, 2007, after which you may have to pay. According to the conference website, The onsite registration fee is an additional $100 to the Standard Price. I'm not clear whether this includes the exhibit hal

Re: Custom case designs... (the business perspective)

2007-07-03 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
So... the question is... a) is it possible to convince Nathan or Gordon to sell these things through their websites for $65 - $147? I can sell it through my website: http://www.handheld-linux.com although I currently focus on the European markets only (due to tax and duty complexity).

Re: Custom case designs... (the dot-org perspective)

2007-07-03 Thread Matthew S. Hamrick
But there's another way to think about this... I think if you ran these numbers past a business person in the states they would have all sorts of problems. You're talking about a fair amount of investment for "not all that much" return. I mean if we knew the Neo was going to sell as many un

Re: Custom case designs...

2007-07-03 Thread Matthew S. Hamrick
Yup. And as Tim points out, if the case only lasts a year, recycle it and get a new one. On Jul 3, 2007, at 12:35 PM, Al Johnson wrote: If you're exposing your phone to that much UV you'll probably have problems with other components before the case. PET transparent enough to UV that it's

Re: Come see OpenMoko at Ubuntu Live

2007-07-03 Thread Brad Pitcher
You're going to be in the exhibit hall, right? So we can come for free? -Brad On 7/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 3 Jul 2007, Tim Newsom wrote: > > On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:24, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: >> Dear Community, >> >> Michael Shiloh has volunteered to setup a

Re: Custom case designs... (the business perspective)

2007-07-03 Thread Matthew S. Hamrick
Also.. to follow up on what Adrian recently said.. The tech shop also has a CNC milling machine. I'm no expert, but I believe that the idea is that you put a CAD file in one side and take out a completed part out the other. So... if you have the CAD files for a case, you could feed them int

Re: OpenMoko get together at OSCON

2007-07-03 Thread Brad Pitcher
On 7/3/07, Dirk Bergstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you're going to be at the O'reilly Open Source Conference in Portland, show up for the OpenMoko BoF session on Thursday night. Jon Philips has said he will bring his phone and hacker toolbox, so you can lay hands on the real thing. http

Re: OpenMoko at OSCON?

2007-07-03 Thread Luit van Drongelen
Just to close this thread, here's the link to info about the spot that Mr. Bergstrom reserved: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2007/view/e_sess/14810 -- On 7/3/07, Uncle Kridley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Spots are already filling up fast: > http://conferences.oreillynet.com/pub/w/58/b

Re: Custom case designs...

2007-07-03 Thread Al Johnson
If you're exposing your phone to that much UV you'll probably have problems with other components before the case. PET transparent enough to UV that it's the bottle of choice for solar water disinfection. http://www.sodis.ch/Text2002/T-Howdoesitwork.htm On Tuesday 03 July 2007 19:48, Matthew S.

Re: Custom case designs...

2007-07-03 Thread Tim Newsom
On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 12:07, Matthew S. Hamrick wrote: Oh... but doesn't PETN have some issues with long-term durability when exposed to UV? On Jul 3, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Jeffrey Thomas wrote: Clear soda bottles are fairly strong and not nearly as brittle as some other clear plastics. True en

Re: Annoying but inevitable

2007-07-03 Thread Luit van Drongelen
Hi, I don't think your idea is that bad at all, but it doesn't look like something that's possible. OpenMoko wants all software on the phone to be open-source, thus no ad-ware lock-in is possible. It's reversible. Plus, the phone won't be any cheaper because of this reversibility. But that's jus

OpenMoko get together at OSCON

2007-07-03 Thread Dirk Bergstrom
If you're going to be at the O'reilly Open Source Conference in Portland, show up for the OpenMoko BoF session on Thursday night. Jon Philips has said he will bring his phone and hacker toolbox, so you can lay hands on the real thing. http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2007/view/e_sess/1

Re: Custom case designs...

2007-07-03 Thread Michael Welter
I would be very interested in a tamper-proof case with separate branding. For phones given to low-wage employees and/or teenagers, this is a requirement (tamper proof meaning seals would have to be broken to open the case). Etching on the back of the case would include reward/delivery instruc

Re: Brainstorm: less functionality per device, more devices

2007-07-03 Thread Matthew S. Hamrick
Okay... this topic has been discussed to death, here and elsewhere. Let me recap by saying: a. A constellation of cooperating devices is bad because you have to make each device smart enough to talk to each other device, and know what it's supposed to do. And as Fabien points out, testing

Re: Come see OpenMoko at Ubuntu Live

2007-07-03 Thread michael
On Tue, 3 Jul 2007, Tim Newsom wrote: On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:24, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Dear Community, Michael Shiloh has volunteered to setup a booth at Ubuntu Live (http://www.ubuntulive.com) July 22 to 24 in Portland, Oregon. He'll be demoing and talking about both the platform and the

Re: Come see OpenMoko at Ubuntu Live

2007-07-03 Thread michael
On Wed, 4 Jul 2007, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Dear Community, Michael Shiloh has volunteered to setup a booth at Ubuntu Live (http://www.ubuntulive.com) July 22 to 24 in Portland, Oregon. He'll be demoing and talking about both the platform and the Neo. If you're in town, please stop by! Thanks

Re: Custom case designs...

2007-07-03 Thread Matthew S. Hamrick
Oh... but doesn't PETN have some issues with long-term durability when exposed to UV? On Jul 3, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Jeffrey Thomas wrote: Clear soda bottles are fairly strong and not nearly as brittle as some other clear plastics. True enough, and i stand corrected. Their flexibility may

Re: Come see OpenMoko at Ubuntu Live

2007-07-03 Thread Tim Newsom
On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:24, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Dear Community, Michael Shiloh has volunteered to setup a booth at Ubuntu Live (http://www.ubuntulive.com) July 22 to 24 in Portland, Oregon. He'll be demoing and talking about both the platform and the Neo. If you're in town, please stop by! Th

Re: Custom case designs...

2007-07-03 Thread Tim Newsom
Or how about this... Cases from recycled materials.. Neo1973.. Free your phone, open your horizons, save the world... Good for you, great for the environment. --Tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.

Re: Custom case designs...

2007-07-03 Thread Jeffrey Thomas
> Clear soda bottles are fairly strong and not nearly as brittle as some > other clear plastics. True enough, and i stand corrected. Their flexibility may even be a benefit -- i drop my current phone often enough and it survives; i would hope for something similar on my Neo when I get it. May

Re: Custom case designs...

2007-07-03 Thread Tim Newsom
That's not necessarily true.. Look at plastic bottles. Clear soda bottles are fairly strong and not nearly as brittle as some other clear plastics. Plus, that plastic is useful as injection material. Plus, if it were cheap enough to get new cases, most people would not care if they dropped o

Re: Custom case designs...

2007-07-03 Thread Tim Newsom
There are several types of clear plastic which could be used to fulfill this idea.. Both as plastic injection and liquid casting material. --Tim On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 9:50, Shakthi Kannan wrote: Hi, On 7/3/07, Ben Burdette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Case modding for phones, cool. Maybe we sho

Come see OpenMoko at Ubuntu Live

2007-07-03 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
Dear Community, Michael Shiloh has volunteered to setup a booth at Ubuntu Live (http://www.ubuntulive.com) July 22 to 24 in Portland, Oregon. He'll be demoing and talking about both the platform and the Neo. If you're in town, please stop by! Thanks so much for the help Michael! -Sean __

Re: community Digest, Vol 34, Issue 17

2007-07-03 Thread Tim Newsom
On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 9:50, Michael Sersen wrote: About custom case design for the Neo and beyond; I am very interested in this idea. I have a cnc router at my disposal and can make custom parts from materials such as Corian and exotic hardwoods and some soft metals. I'd love to see some spec's,

Re: Custom case designs...

2007-07-03 Thread Frederic Kettelhoit
2 points: 1.) Aluminium would be quite cool. I would like to have such a case, too. But the problem is, that the gsm radiowaves are not able to pass the aluminium. Probably that's the same with the GPS and the W-LAN? I don't know. There is mobile phone made by Porsche and - I think - Sagem. It is

Re: Custom case designs...

2007-07-03 Thread adrian cockcroft
I've been designing cases for the homebrew mobile club, posting the design files on the wiki and producing them on a 3D printer. http://www.hbmobile.org/wiki/index.php?title=Portrait_oriented_case I can get these individually made for $40 or so each at http://www.techshop.ws a custom case for th

Re: [France] Grouping orders,

2007-07-03 Thread Thomas Gstädtner
2007/7/3, cedric cellier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: -[ Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 05:44:10PM +0200, Foucault de Bonneval ] > If yes, does some of you living in Paris would like to share the shipping > cost ? Yes Monsieur ! ___ OpenMoko community mailing lis

Re: Custom case designs...

2007-07-03 Thread Jeffrey Thomas
> Maybe we should have like transparent ("see-through") casing. Ah, but transparent plastic is always more brittle than coloured plastics... I would hate my Neo cracking as easily as a CD case... On Tuesday 03 July 2007 11:35:57 Shakthi Kannan wrote: > Hi, > > On 7/3/07, Ben Burdette <[EMAIL P

Group purchase/shipping generally

2007-07-03 Thread Thomas Gstädtner
Hello, before some days Hans van der Merwe asked, if it is possible to do group purchases (in South Africa). Unfortunately he got no answer, so I'd like to ask again. I'm from germany and I think there are many people here who like to buy a GTA01 device. If everyone orders a single device it are

Re: [France] Grouping orders,

2007-07-03 Thread cedric cellier
-[ Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 05:44:10PM +0200, Foucault de Bonneval ] > If yes, does some of you living in Paris would like to share the shipping > cost ? Yes Monsieur ! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.open

Re: Custom case designs...

2007-07-03 Thread Shakthi Kannan
Hi, On 7/3/07, Ben Burdette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Case modding for phones, cool. Maybe we should have like transparent ("see-through") casing. Why do we need closed cases for open hardware and software? SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___

Re: An alternative gaming top case

2007-07-03 Thread Florent THIERY
What if FIC sponsored a community ZPrinted ? Just upload your CAD files to get your homebrew case, together sent with electronics kit. http://www.zcorp.com/ Other resources: http://www.redeyerpm.com/Default.aspx http://www.absprototypes.net There are even online PCB assembling services nowadays

Re: Custom case designs...

2007-07-03 Thread Tim Newsom
On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 8:59, no_use wrote: these are exactly the reactions i got from my friends.. specially as the mainbord seems rectangular, i wouldn't like to see it with this rounded top and bottom.. ..and all i want is 3G.. :( So add case design ideas to the wiki where previously noted. I

Re: [France] Grouping orders,

2007-07-03 Thread Florent THIERY
Yup, I'd be glad to :) Cheers, FLorent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Brainstorm: less functionality per device, more devices

2007-07-03 Thread Fabien
If you want, say, phone, music and camera capabilities: - either you have plenty of pockets, then you buy a proper camera, a proper phone and a proper mp3 player - or you don't want to carry an extra 2kg in your pants, then you buy an all-in-one device; then compactness is a must. For many featur

Re: community Digest, Vol 34, Issue 17

2007-07-03 Thread Michael Sersen
About custom case design for the Neo and beyond; I am very interested in this idea. I have a cnc router at my disposal and can make custom parts from materials such as Corian and exotic hardwoods and some soft metals. I'd love to see some spec's, maybe .dwg's or .dxf files of the current case,

[France] Grouping orders,

2007-07-03 Thread Foucault de Bonneval
Hello Openmokogeeks, will it be possible for FIC to group some GTA01 shipping ? If yes, does some of you living in Paris would like to share the shipping cost ? Thanks to all and for everything, you are doing great job !!! Regards, Foucault -- Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Photos : Updated 22 mai

Re: Custom case designs...

2007-07-03 Thread no_use
Hans van der Merwe schrieb: > On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 16:52 +0200, ramsesoriginal wrote: > > Some of the guys here at work (actually most of them) seem to hate the > rounded sides/corners of the phone - any plans maybe on making it > rectangular? > > > ps. Im an engineer - I dont care what it look

Re: Custom case designs...

2007-07-03 Thread Hans van der Merwe
On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 16:52 +0200, ramsesoriginal wrote: > First they wil lthink that it's a rip-off of the iPod customisation. > Then they will think that it's not useful, not functional, only > thrown-away money. > Then they will see how cool it looks at their buddy's neo, and will > buy one for

Re: Custom case designs...

2007-07-03 Thread Frederic Kettelhoit
cool idea! I want to have one with the GNU logo on the back. :) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Package manager

2007-07-03 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Al Johnson writes: >I would have thought ipkg would make more sense as it's already used by most >distros for handhelds, mainly because it has a smaller footprint than >dpkg/apt or rpm/yum. There are several GUI frontends to this, but GPE-Package >is probably a good starting point as it uses GTK

Re: Why iPhone using AJAX was genius

2007-07-03 Thread Frederic Kettelhoit
complete compatibility would be awesome! the ajax apps are not really cool for my opinion, but better than nothing. ;) I would like to see the faces of all the apple fanboys out there, when they hear that we can use their apps.^^ ___ OpenMoko community m

Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)

2007-07-03 Thread David Pottage
On Tue, July 3, 2007 2:33 pm, Niels L. Ellegaard wrote: > On a related note I think that Slashdot once had a story about a > (bluetooth based??) Japanese dating gadget that worked in a similar > fashion. They had to buy the gadget, encode their preferences, and > then wait for the unexpected buzz

Re: Why iPhone using AJAX was genius

2007-07-03 Thread Attila Csipa
On Tuesday 03 July 2007 16:43, Florent THIERY wrote: > over http tunnel or wifi/bluetooth direct home connection) on an > NSLU2/WL-500G like companion device. Apropos NSLU2, some time ago I made a couple of industrial-style data collecting NSLU2-s which have usb Wifi and/or a GM862 gsm/gprs modul

Re: Package manager

2007-07-03 Thread Lalo Martins
Also spracht Hans van der Merwe (Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:33:04 +0200): > On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 13:53 +, Lalo Martins wrote: >> ... ipkg is already installed on the moko image, >> and comes pre-configured to download packages from the net (but the >> repository is still empty, of course). > > Ah,

Re: Custom case designs...

2007-07-03 Thread Ben Burdette
Case modding for phones, cool. You could have one machined out of aluminum, and as long as the FIC hardware doesn't change too much over the years, you could keep updating it with the latest boards. Assuming that you could order the boards from FIC without the case, or are willing to buy and

Re: Custom case designs...

2007-07-03 Thread ramsesoriginal
First they wil lthink that it's a rip-off of the iPod customisation. Then they will think that it's not useful, not functional, only thrown-away money. Then they will see how cool it looks at their buddy's neo, and will buy one for themselves ;) On 7/3/07, Tim Newsom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Why iPhone using AJAX was genius

2007-07-03 Thread Florent THIERY
Quite self-explanatory: http://www.rev2.org/2007/07/02/top-25-web-apps-for-the-iphone/ I'm not saying "we have to do the same", but if we manage complete compatibility... (which should be possible as soon as we have a functional gdk webkit port -- which is almost there). An interesting aspect fo

Custom case designs...

2007-07-03 Thread Tim Newsom
I have been thinking a little more about this and I struck upon an idea... What if you could buy a custom case with a custom message on it. I am not talking about painted messages but letters and shapes cast into the plastic shell. Raised, sunk, custom fonts etc. Naturally we can't just repl

Re: Package manager

2007-07-03 Thread Hans van der Merwe
On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 13:53 +, Lalo Martins wrote: > Also spracht Al Johnson (Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:23:56 +0100): > > I would have thought ipkg would make more sense as it's already used by > > most distros for handhelds, mainly because it has a smaller footprint > > than dpkg/apt or rpm/yum. >

Re: Package manager

2007-07-03 Thread Lalo Martins
Also spracht Al Johnson (Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:23:56 +0100): > I would have thought ipkg would make more sense as it's already used by > most distros for handhelds, mainly because it has a smaller footprint > than dpkg/apt or rpm/yum. I was going to say that. ipkg is already installed on the moko i

Re: An alternative gaming top case

2007-07-03 Thread Tim Newsom
On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 4:01, Robin Paulson wrote: excuse my ignorance, but do you mean a 3d scanner as in a device for measuring a 3d object? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_scanner if you do, and have a Neo, that would be awesome. any chance of using it to produce an electronic model of the case

Re: An alternative gaming top case

2007-07-03 Thread ramsesoriginal
Hey. I was also thinking about some usb-interfacing-docking-station-sort-of-thing. Since I am a bit into woodcarving, i was thinking about making som sort of "wooden outer envelope" which interfaces through usb, has an incorporated usb-hub, some sort of d-pad and maybe other functionalities (like

Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)

2007-07-03 Thread Niels L. Ellegaard
"Nick Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The other idea for a 'killer mobile gps app' that occurred to me is > some sort of dynamic-flash-mob system, where you can express > interest in various activities, and it'll detect whenever a > 'critical mass' of people for a given activity are close e

Re: An alternative gaming top case

2007-07-03 Thread Richard Boehme
I would definitely be interested in a 'gaming' case for the neo - it opens up the possibility of having emulated games on the it, which would be huge. Thanks. Richard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmo

Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)

2007-07-03 Thread ewanm89
Um, advanced hide and seek, your getting warmer... hot, hot, colder... On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 11:40:50 +0100 Urivan Saaib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nick, > > I was thinking of something ala DNS, where the application can > discover pieces of metadata associated to real-world items (you name > it

Re: Package manager

2007-07-03 Thread Al Johnson
I would have thought ipkg would make more sense as it's already used by most distros for handhelds, mainly because it has a smaller footprint than dpkg/apt or rpm/yum. There are several GUI frontends to this, but GPE-Package is probably a good starting point as it uses GTK+ already. http://gpe.

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Re: public access point database

2007-07-03 Thread Ian Stirling
Dylan McCall wrote: There is another aspect. Privacy. For example, I might be happy to be visible to other phone users in 50-100m, and my friends. I certainly do not want to be locatable by a random person over the internet. This does imply some sort of server, to which I upload my position,

Re: Phase 1 for "normal users"

2007-07-03 Thread Ian Stirling
Hans van der Merwe wrote: Will phase 1 be useful to normal users - like my wife? Is there a reason for her to fork out $300 to get a phone that functions just as good as her current SonyEricsson T360? (obviously excluding all the fancy stuff that is possible, but not yet implemented) The basic a

Re: Package manager

2007-07-03 Thread Hans van der Merwe
On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 11:49 +0100, Urivan Saaib wrote: > Hans, > > Debian ? Ubuntu? Click N Run? :) That of course is a 'commercial' venue. > Other than that, I guess an apt-get/yum repository can make it. > > Regards, > > -Urivan Flores-Saaib > > ==Original message text===

Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)

2007-07-03 Thread Urivan Saaib
Nick, I noticed the freebase.com website requires invitation, do you have access to it? Also, the license of the service is free for non-commercial only, do you have any considerations in this topic? How will this affect the adoption of new developments? Also, custom metadata repositories and rep

Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)

2007-07-03 Thread Nick Johnson
On 7/3/07, Urivan Saaib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nick, I was thinking of something ala DNS, where the application can discover pieces of metadata associated to real-world items (you name it) categorized in a standard an open way. Users could add/edit/remove their own choices to customize what

Re: Package manager

2007-07-03 Thread Urivan Saaib
Hans, Debian ? Ubuntu? Click N Run? :) That of course is a 'commercial' venue. Other than that, I guess an apt-get/yum repository can make it. Regards, -Urivan Flores-Saaib ==Original message text=== On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 11:37:14 +0100 Hans van der Merwe wrote: Is there

Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)

2007-07-03 Thread Urivan Saaib
Nick, I was thinking of something ala DNS, where the application can discover pieces of metadata associated to real-world items (you name it) categorized in a standard an open way. Users could add/edit/remove their own choices to customize what they want from their devices (getting closer to/get

Package manager

2007-07-03 Thread Hans van der Merwe
Is there a project (or plans for one) to simplify adding and removing apps to the Moko? Users will want to download and install apps - from official repos (and obviously 3rd party) E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm __

Phase 1 for "normal users"

2007-07-03 Thread Hans van der Merwe
Will phase 1 be useful to normal users - like my wife? Is there a reason for her to fork out $300 to get a phone that functions just as good as her current SonyEricsson T360? (obviously excluding all the fancy stuff that is possible, but not yet implemented) The basic apps on the wiki is very bas

Re: An alternative gaming top case

2007-07-03 Thread Robin Paulson
On 7/3/07, Tim Newsom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have a 3d scanner that I am planning to employ for building models if no one gets to it before I do. I would be interested in finding out which formats people think should be used for the models.. Also, assuming I can get things together what is

Re: Brainstorm: less functionality per device, more devices

2007-07-03 Thread Sven Neuhaus
Jonas Meyer wrote: > Instead of monolithic do-everything > devices, create many single purpose devices that do their jobs very > well, and can be chained together. I've been thinking about the same thing. With the recent arrival of USB-connected monitors (powered by DisplayLink chips) and wireless

Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)

2007-07-03 Thread Nick Johnson
On 7/3/07, Mathias Rüdiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No excuses left Nick. Seems that you have to write a wefi clone :) Looks like it. ;) Actually, I was thinking something more OpenMoko specific - a sort of enhanced PIM that lets you store locations and contacts (and contacts with locations)

Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)

2007-07-03 Thread Mathias Rüdiger
No excuses left Nick. Seems that you have to write a wefi clone :) Mathias Mikko Rauhala schrieb: ma, 2007-07-02 kello 22:31 +1200, Nick Johnson kirjoitti: NZ has GPRS, but my understanding was that the AGPS requires the network to explicitly support it to get the assist data - that's certainl

Re: Brainstorm: less functionality per device, more devices

2007-07-03 Thread Attila Csipa
On Tuesday 03 July 2007 10:31, Jonas Meyer wrote: > Disadvantages: You forgot the most important disadvantage: bulk. It's not uncommon in modern devices for the connectors (especially if they need to be good for thousands of insertions) to be a major problem in layout design because of the space

Re: Brainstorm: less functionality per device, more devices

2007-07-03 Thread Jonas Berlin
Quoting Jonas Meyer on 07/03/2007 08:31 AM UTC: > The typical cell phone (including the Neo) is built upon the idea of > putting as much functionality as possible into one device. And > manufacturers have gotten very good at this. What if one took the UNIX > approach to hardware development. Ins

Re: Brainstorm: less functionality per device, more devices

2007-07-03 Thread ewanm89
On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 04:31:03 -0400 Jonas Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just recently got my first bluetooth headset. This is only relevant > because it got me thinking. > > The typical cell phone (including the Neo) is built upon the idea of > putting as much functionality as possible int

Re: OpenMoko at OSCON?

2007-07-03 Thread Uncle Kridley
Spots are already filling up fast: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/pub/w/58/bof.html so someone fill it out soon if they would like to see one. I'm on it... -- -- Dirk Bergstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://otisbean.com/ ___

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