Europe: ordering Freerunner direct from Openmoko?
Hello, For us european users: will it be possible to order Frerunner directly from Openmoko? The way it looks now, this would be the most attractive solution from a cost point of view, at leat for us here in Norway. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Steve on V5 versus v6
Michael Shiloh wrote: Ian Darwin wrote: steve wrote: Anybody can take a seam ripper to the old pouch and reverse engineer it. Hmm. That's a problem, perhaps I should have people sign EULAs to prevent pouch poaching. Apparently the dog you see reflected in one of Michael's preliminary photos did chew up one of the pouches sent in one of his shipments. Giving us OpenMokos's first taste of... Pooch pouch poaching. *Double Groan!* Now I suppose you all want a video of my dog chewing up the pouch, right? Although I don't think her process could be considered reverse engineering. M ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community The reverse engineering will most likely be the stage after the pouch went through the digestive systems. First post btw :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sean where are you?
David Samblas Martinez wrote: Since Tue Apr 8 17:31:57 CEST 2008 Sean Moss-Pultz (our beloved leader ;)) doesn't appears on the community forum. Waiting for the take and hack, because it is code of my code and hardware of my hardware day announce? I'm still here...fighting all kinds of battles to get our Neos built. Hang in there with me. We'll get there ;-) -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[GSM] Geolocating
Hello guys, during one of my presentation of the Openmoko project, I mentionned the ability to know which GSM cell the Neo is connected to. This allows some approximate geolocating, provided you know the position of the GSM cells. It could be useful in an urban environment, where GPS isn't very helpful (walls, narrow streets, etc.). Then another question arised: during a call, would it be possible to know the GSM cell of the other phone? Is there a way to know this, even if it requires Neos on both sides? I'm not a GSM expert, so I don't know how this works, does anyone here have an answer? Would that be technically feasible for the Neo to communicate its GSM CellId during a call, for instance for automatic treatment on the other side? Regards, -- Lucas Bonnet Bearstech - http://bearstech.com pgpRxoaDubfgL.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics
http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/04/22/side-by-side-video-windows-mobile-and-embedded-linux/ You have to admit the bling looks pretty. Pat -- http://tllts.org/ - The Linux Link Tech Show http://pdavila.homelinux.org:8080/blog/ - My blog ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
bulk order
Hello Steve. Will it be possible for us in Europe to make a bulk order directly from Openmoko or do we need to shop from TRIsoft. I will order 20 Freerunners, and can save much money by ordering directly from OM. -=Flemming=- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GSM] Geolocating
Lucas Bonnet wrote: during one of my presentation of the Openmoko project, I mentionned the ability to know which GSM cell the Neo is connected to. This allows some approximate geolocating, provided you know the position of the GSM cells. It could be useful in an urban environment, where GPS isn't very helpful (walls, narrow streets, etc.). There's a thread [1] on the kernel mailing list about this feature too. Give it a look! [1] http://tinyurl.com/68jxno -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GSM] Geolocating
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: during one of my presentation of the Openmoko project, I mentionned the ability to know which GSM cell the Neo is connected to. This allows some approximate geolocating, provided you know the position of the GSM cells. It could be useful in an urban environment, where GPS isn't very helpful (walls, narrow streets, etc.). There's a thread [1] on the kernel mailing list about this feature too. Give it a look! Ah, the only list I'm not subscribed to :) Thanks. -- Lucas Bonnet Bearstech - http://bearstech.com pgpyLzKgkjFID.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics
Patrick Davila wrote: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/04/22/side-by-side-video-windows-mobile-and-embedded-linux/ You have to admit the bling looks pretty. Yes... And that's only on a Neo... Freerunner that will have a better CPU that surely will allow to get really better performances (also without any 3D accelearation that, yeah it's possible, but which who knows we'll ever see)! Just a question: the widgets shown are they running on X? It seems they are since you can see kwin running with the KDE default style. And... If I'm right, this means that we could run Qt apps like these also in Openmoko (I mean without X reboot :P), isn't it? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Patrick Davila wrote: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/04/22/side-by-side-video-windows-mobile-and-embedded-linux/ You have to admit the bling looks pretty. Just a question: the widgets shown are they running on X? It seems they are since you can see kwin running with the KDE default style. And... If I'm right, this means that we could run Qt apps like these also in Openmoko (I mean without X reboot :P), isn't it? Regular K* and Q* apps of course. Just port the qt libs. But not QTopia apps AFAIK. But Holger Freyther (zecke) is currently porting qtopia on x11. See the distro level mailing list for his progress. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !
Hello Richter ! I have not made any complains regarding the software, what I am complaining about is the fact that no representative from openmoko has commented on the bug that makes the GTA01 not wakeup from suspend on incoming calls and/or SMS:es. (reliably anyway) As far as I understand people in the community has been investigating this and indicated that it is likely to be a bug related to the modem hardware or firmware. Me and others has asked this question a number of times on this list, but so far no official comments. I didn't expect the GTA01 (or any product as complex as this) to be bug free, but I did expect openmoko to be open and supportive. If this is how they will handle current and future problems (with silence), I'd advice against buying their stuff. /Fredrik On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/21/08, Fredrik Markström [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still no official comments on this issue ? Until this is resolved I advice newcomers to be careful before spending $399 on another piece of potentially useless hardware (GTA02). From my point of view openmoko might be as silent and unresponsive, using busy with nextgen hardware as an excuse with any future hardware revision. I think you have misunderstood the consept. Now Openmoko works hard to bring out the GTA02 STK to software developers. The software developers are the community. We will implement power management and Openmoko is nice enough to help us by (they hired people just to help us). The iPhone is not open but at least useful, and also $399 ! Then go and buy an iPhone if you rather have that. If you do not want a developer edition, but a consumer ready phone, you should not buy the Freerunner yet. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !
In fact it is $399 + ($0 for ZiPhone unlock) ! /Fredrik On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:34 PM, thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is always funny to see how the bad marketing works. Still many people out there haven't noticed, that the iPhone doesn't cost 399$. In fact it cost's 399$ + 24 monthly fees hidden behind some included minutes and so on. On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Fredrik Markström [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still no official comments on this issue ? Until this is resolved I advice newcomers to be careful before spending $399 on another piece of potentially useless hardware (GTA02). From my point of view openmoko might be as silent and unresponsive, using busy with nextgen hardware as an excuse with any future hardware revision. The iPhone is not open but at least useful, and also $399 ! /Fredrik ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !
Matthew, 1) I was talking about GTA01 and the suspend/resume bug, I don't care about standby minutes, but I'd like to be able to use it for a little more then 3 hours between charging. 2) True, but I don't question the community or the software, I question the openness of openmoko regarding hardware issues. 3) True, sorry about my false comparison. /Fredrik On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Crane, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Give me a break. 1) Worst case, no fix, so led is disabled. Phone is therefore useless? Why do you exaggerate? I speculate you are discouraging people so that they also waste there money on an iPhone and therefore partially validate your flawed decision to buy one. 2) Open development taken with current community size means we are already past the critical volume required to sustain long term access to knowledgeable people and web resources. The traffic on the dev lists for openmoko is comparable to projects that sustain for many years. 3) iPhone + gps = 399$ + 150$ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fredrik Markström Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:28 AM To: List for OpenMoko community discussion Subject: Progress on GTA01 power management issues ! Still no official comments on this issue ? Until this is resolved I advice newcomers to be careful before spending $399 on another piece of potentially useless hardware (GTA02). From my point of view openmoko might be as silent and unresponsive, using busy with nextgen hardware as an excuse with any future hardware revision. The iPhone is not open but at least useful, and also $399 ! /Fredrik ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GSM] Geolocating
Marc-Olivier Barre [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well the key concept here is provided you know the position of the GSM cells. Now, you might try to call you operators customer support asking them Hi, could you send me a copy of your hardware database please ?, but I doubt you would get a positive answer, *if* they even bother to answer... Yes, if you're just a customer, no luck. But we might have the government on our side for a project, which would certainly help, though nothing is sure for the moment. I'm not a GSM expert, so I don't know how this works, does anyone here have an answer? Would that be technically feasible for the Neo to communicate its GSM CellId during a call, for instance for automatic treatment on the other side? While that might be possible to send, you would still need the info from paragraph 1... Yup, that's the trickiest part :) Regards, -- Lucas Bonnet Bearstech - http://bearstech.com pgpnEYsMeDZol.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics
Tilman Baumann wrote: Just a question: the widgets shown are they running on X? It seems they are since you can see kwin running with the KDE default style. And... If I'm right, this means that we could run Qt apps like these also in Openmoko (I mean without X reboot :P), isn't it? Regular K* and Q* apps of course. Just port the qt libs. But not QTopia apps AFAIK. But Holger Freyther (zecke) is currently porting qtopia on x11. See the distro level mailing list for his progress. Yes I knew this... That's why I've asked only about QT apps :P. Btw I'm waiting for the qtopia port... I love having hybrid-systems (both gtk/qt/qtopia/qopenmoko) :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: (both gtk/qt/qtopia/qopenmoko) :P Just a typo, eh! I meant just openmoko :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics
Wednesday 23 April 2008 skrev Marco Trevisan (Treviño): Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: (both gtk/qt/qtopia/qopenmoko) :P Just a typo, eh! I meant just openmoko :P While we're fixing typos, i'm sure you meant to write Qt, and not QT (which we all of course know is short for QuickTime, not Cute ;) ) -- ..Dan // Leinir.. http://www.leinir.dk/ Co- existence or no existence - Piet Hein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics
looks nice, obviously the freerunner with it's improved hardware and grfx chip will really start to shine. nice music, i guess this video was filmed in a lift, or elevator.. :) 2008/4/23 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: (both gtk/qt/qtopia/qopenmoko) :P Just a typo, eh! I meant just openmoko :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Tel: 00447809457487 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Steve on V5 versus v6
Tilman Baumann wrote: Cesar Eduardo Barros wrote: Getting to the debug port, at least as described in the wiki, needs both the torx screwdriver and the guitar pick. Ah, so this is what the pick is for. Thx. Remove the back Undo the torx Starting at the antenna end, run fingernail along the seams, with moderate pressure. The nail simply pops in at one point. Run it all the way round the circumference of the neo. Job done. I've never bothered getting the pick out. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics
James Olney wrote: looks nice, obviously the freerunner with it's improved hardware and grfx chip will really start to shine. Unfortunately, not quite obviously. For example, the memory bus bandwidth to the GPU is some 7M/s, compared to 60+M/s for the GTA01, and the 3D hardware will not have drivers. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What US plans are people using?
ian douglas wrote: Travis Tabbal wrote: This implies that a GTA01bv4 can NOT use 850 mhz. But my Neo1973 works PERFECTLY in the USA, which means either it DOES support 850mhz OR that the LACK of 850mhz is irrelevant. As I understand it, 850 will matter or not depending on where you live and what provider you use. So you might be in an area or with a provider that uses 1900 a large majority of the time. Those selling GTA01 units probably live in an area that requires 850 for decent coverage. I can confirm Travis' comments. Until a month ago, I lived in an area of Los Angeles that dropped my current ATT phone down to 850MHz, and the Neo would not connect to the ATT network when this happened. Once I was out in the open, the GTA01v4 connected to ATT just fine. Interesting. I have recently had difficulty hooking up to ATT. I wonder if the reason is that they've switched to 850MHz. How did you find this out? It'd be handy to modify the firmware to indicate on the GUI which band the Neo/Freeruner is using, if that's possible. Not sure if that's been discussed before or not. I believe that Sean Chiang has added an AT command to report this. I would imagine it's in the archives of the kernel list. Let me know if you can't find it. M ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics
Just curious how the gfx chip ended up sharing the same bus as the sd-slot? How slow would a video be on this device? Ie. Would a downcoded video be watchable since the freerunner has more available memory and cpu power available to do software decoding? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:54:02 To:List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics James Olney wrote: looks nice, obviously the freerunner with it's improved hardware and grfx chip will really start to shine. Unfortunately, not quite obviously. For example, the memory bus bandwidth to the GPU is some 7M/s, compared to 60+M/s for the GTA01, and the 3D hardware will not have drivers. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics
I guess the problem is, that the samsung s3c doesn't have enough interfaces for all the hardware freerunner has. So the Glamo ended up on the SDIO-port (used for the SD-slot in gta01), and the SD-slot is no connected to the glamos own SD-interface. On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 6:20 PM, christopher bradski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious how the gfx chip ended up sharing the same bus as the sd-slot? How slow would a video be on this device? Ie. Would a downcoded video be watchable since the freerunner has more available memory and cpu power available to do software decoding? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:54:02 To:List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics James Olney wrote: looks nice, obviously the freerunner with it's improved hardware and grfx chip will really start to shine. Unfortunately, not quite obviously. For example, the memory bus bandwidth to the GPU is some 7M/s, compared to 60+M/s for the GTA01, and the 3D hardware will not have drivers. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What US plans are people using?
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:10 AM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting. I have recently had difficulty hooking up to ATT. I wonder if the reason is that they've switched to 850MHz. How did you find this out? I found some coverage maps on gsmworld.com. I don't know how accurate they are, none of my current phones tell you what band they are using. ATT has a mish-mash of both all over the place from what I could tell. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What US plans are people using?
Yes, ATT uses both 850 and either 1800 or 1900 (I forget which at the moment, maybe 1900 and TMobile uses 1800, or vice versa?). In my last apartment, where there were a lot of buildings very close together, lots of concrete, etc., my usual ATT phone (Blackjack 2) would only connect on the lower frequency and display the EDGE logo all the time, and the phone would often cause other electronics with speakers to buzz horrendously -- haven't had that problem in the new place where my Blackjack 2 displays that it's connected to 3G all the time instead of EDGE. But I was able to consistently test that, within my old apartment, the Neo would only connect on TMobile when I was indoors, and would only connect on ATT if I was out in the open outside in the courtyard where, I guess, the higher frequency network could get through. I was never able to connect to ATT indoors at the old place. Once I get a Freerunner, I'll go visit a friend at the old apartment complex, and test that the 850MHz mode on the Freerunner can connect on the lower frequency. -id Travis Tabbal wrote: I found some coverage maps on gsmworld.com http://gsmworld.com. I don't know how accurate they are, none of my current phones tell you what band they are using. ATT has a mish-mash of both all over the place from what I could tell. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GSM] Geolocating
Then another question arised: during a call, would it be possible to know the GSM cell of the other phone? Is there a way to know this, even if it requires Neos on both sides? I have a project for GSoC (SMS Middleware). Using this SW, you will be able to ask OM via SMS theoretically anything you want. It might be a GPS location, specific OS information, or GSM cell the phone is connected to! -- -- Patryk Szymczak mobile: +48 695759817 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What US plans are people using?
ian douglas wrote: Yes, ATT uses both 850 and either 1800 or 1900 (I forget which at the moment, maybe 1900 and TMobile uses 1800, or vice versa?). In my last apartment, where there were a lot of buildings very close together, lots of concrete, etc., my usual ATT phone (Blackjack 2) would only connect on the lower frequency and display the EDGE logo all the time, and the phone would often cause other electronics with speakers to buzz horrendously -- haven't had that problem in the new place where my Blackjack 2 displays that it's connected to 3G all the time instead of EDGE. But I was able to consistently test that, within my old apartment, the Neo would only connect on TMobile when I was indoors, and would only connect on ATT if I was out in the open outside in the courtyard where, I guess, the higher frequency network could get through. I was never able to connect to ATT indoors at the old place. Once I get a Freerunner, I'll go visit a friend at the old apartment complex, and test that the 850MHz mode on the Freerunner can connect on the lower frequency. -id Travis Tabbal wrote: I found some coverage maps on gsmworld.com http://gsmworld.com. I don't know how accurate they are, none of my current phones tell you what band they are using. ATT has a mish-mash of both all over the place from what I could tell. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community How do you tell which band the phone is currently connecting to? As in, how did you know the Blackjack 2 would only connect to the lower freq? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GSM] Geolocating
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 14:17 +0200, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Lucas Bonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello guys, during one of my presentation of the Openmoko project, I mentionned the ability to know which GSM cell the Neo is connected to. This allows some approximate geolocating, provided you know the position of the GSM cells. It could be useful in an urban environment, where GPS isn't very helpful (walls, narrow streets, etc.). Well the key concept here is provided you know the position of the GSM cells. Now, you might try to call you operators customer support asking them Hi, could you send me a copy of your hardware database please ?, but I doubt you would get a positive answer, *if* they even bother to answer... I think http://celldb.org/ is trying to solve this problem. Sander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GSM] Geolocating
Have a look at theses 2 projects : http://www.eppenga.com/gg-tracker/ and http://www.aspicore.com/en/tuotteet_tracker.asp?tab=2sub=2 On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Sander Hoentjen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 14:17 +0200, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Lucas Bonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello guys, during one of my presentation of the Openmoko project, I mentionned the ability to know which GSM cell the Neo is connected to. This allows some approximate geolocating, provided you know the position of the GSM cells. It could be useful in an urban environment, where GPS isn't very helpful (walls, narrow streets, etc.). Well the key concept here is provided you know the position of the GSM cells. Now, you might try to call you operators customer support asking them Hi, could you send me a copy of your hardware database please ?, but I doubt you would get a positive answer, *if* they even bother to answer... I think http://celldb.org/ is trying to solve this problem. Sander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GSM] Geolocating
On Wednesday 23 April 2008 18:40, Feydreva wrote: Have a look at theses 2 projects : http://www.eppenga.com/gg-tracker/ and http://www.aspicore.com/en/tuotteet_tracker.asp?tab=2sub=2 On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Sander Hoentjen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 14:17 +0200, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Lucas Bonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip helpful (walls, narrow streets, etc.). Well the key concept here is provided you know the position of the GSM cells. Now, you might try to call you operators customer support asking them Hi, could you send me a copy of your hardware database please ?, but I doubt you would get a positive answer, *if* they even bother to answer... I think http://celldb.org/ is trying to solve this problem. Sander The problem with ALL of the sites that are doing this is non provide access to the entire db. You can search and add data, but you can't have your own server. Personally I want to see a freely available db that users contribute to rather than a closed db that you get some access to and the site owner sells everyone else's effort.. /still bitter about cddb -- Andy / ScaredyCat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GSM] Geolocating
Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have a look at theses 2 projects : http://www.eppenga.com/gg-tracker/ and http://www.aspicore.com/en/tuotteet_tracker.asp?tab=2sub=2 This is great:) Now we only need to turn this into opkg'es (maybe with some modifications) Yeah, that's quite cool. How about adding a tab to TangoGPS for this? :) Regards, -- Lucas Bonnet Bearstech - http://bearstech.com pgpL67l4s6ZdO.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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2008/4/23, Casey G [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Yes. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On 4/23/08, Denis Shulyaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/4/23, Casey G [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Yes. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I agree:) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GSM] Geolocating
On 4/23/08, Lucas Bonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have a look at theses 2 projects : http://www.eppenga.com/gg-tracker/ and http://www.aspicore.com/en/tuotteet_tracker.asp?tab=2sub=2 This is great:) Now we only need to turn this into opkg'es (maybe with some modifications) Yeah, that's quite cool. How about adding a tab to TangoGPS for this? :) That is a great idea:) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GSM] Geolocating
On 4/23/08, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/23/08, Lucas Bonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have a look at theses 2 projects : http://www.eppenga.com/gg-tracker/ and http://www.aspicore.com/en/tuotteet_tracker.asp?tab=2sub=2 This is great:) Now we only need to turn this into opkg'es (maybe with some modifications) Yeah, that's quite cool. How about adding a tab to TangoGPS for this? :) That is a great idea:) Well, I have no clue about how easy that would be. I just come to think about that then tangoGPS would need some modifications and I don't know how trivial it is to merge these two apps. I have not looked at any code, so I have no idea. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/23/08, Denis Shulyaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/4/23, Casey G [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes. I agree:) not me! i'm totally against it! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !
Hi Fredrik, All I can say is since loading the 17th April image on my Neo it has in terms of battery life become *very* usable. I'm s glad now that I can set the 'power management' to 'dim then lock' and now I can happily use it for a whole day (or more as haven't tested its thresholds yet)! Thanks Openmoko! Regards, Tim On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 15:28 +0200, Fredrik Markström wrote: Hello Richter ! I have not made any complains regarding the software, what I am complaining about is the fact that no representative from openmoko has commented on the bug that makes the GTA01 not wakeup from suspend on incoming calls and/or SMS:es. (reliably anyway) As far as I understand people in the community has been investigating this and indicated that it is likely to be a bug related to the modem hardware or firmware. Me and others has asked this question a number of times on this list, but so far no official comments. I didn't expect the GTA01 (or any product as complex as this) to be bug free, but I did expect openmoko to be open and supportive. If this is how they will handle current and future problems (with silence), I'd advice against buying their stuff. /Fredrik On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/21/08, Fredrik Markström [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still no official comments on this issue ? Until this is resolved I advice newcomers to be careful before spending $399 on another piece of potentially useless hardware (GTA02). From my point of view openmoko might be as silent and unresponsive, using busy with nextgen hardware as an excuse with any future hardware revision. I think you have misunderstood the consept. Now Openmoko works hard to bring out the GTA02 STK to software developers. The software developers are the community. We will implement power management and Openmoko is nice enough to help us by (they hired people just to help us). The iPhone is not open but at least useful, and also $399 ! Then go and buy an iPhone if you rather have that. If you do not want a developer edition, but a consumer ready phone, you should not buy the Freerunner yet. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Oh come on! You're just disagreeing because you have no idea what we're talking about. On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Peter Abplanalp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/23/08, Denis Shulyaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/4/23, Casey G [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes. I agree:) not me! i'm totally against it! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bulk order
Hello Flemming, you could also try pulster.de I'm not sure about their shipping policy to other countries than Germany but they're targetting a price of 300 Euro per unit. All best, Stefan Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: Hello Steve. Will it be possible for us in Europe to make a bulk order directly from Openmoko or do we need to shop from TRIsoft. I will order 20 Freerunners, and can save much money by ordering directly from OM. -=Flemming=- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I always find it better to cook it before eating it. but either way it's good. 2008/4/23 Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Surely my dog will have something to say about this thread... Tim Shannon wrote: Oh come on! You're just disagreeing because you have no idea what we're talking about. On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Peter Abplanalp [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/23/08, Denis Shulyaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/4/23, Casey G [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes. I agree:) not me! i'm totally against it! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Tel: 00447809457487 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !
Are you saying that sound GSM work after resume using the April 17th image? What kernel image are you using? Hi Fredrik, All I can say is since loading the 17th April image on my Neo it has in terms of battery life become *very* usable. I'm s glad now that I can set the 'power management' to 'dim then lock' and now I can happily use it for a whole day (or more as haven't tested its thresholds yet)! Thanks Openmoko! Regards, Tim -- Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country. — Hermann Göring at the Nuremberg trials ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Me too, very insightful. On 4/23/08, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/23/08, Denis Shulyaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/4/23, Casey G [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Yes. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I agree:) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Wednesday 23 April 2008 21:30, James Olney wrote: I always find it better to cook it before eating it. but either way it's good. 2008/4/23 Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Surely my dog will have something to say about this thread... You want to cook his dog? -- Andy / ScaredyCat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !
Hi Bobby, Well, I should've clarified that I haven't tested GSM after a resume (I was just happy to have the UI return to a usable state). And I'm using the 17th image/kernel recommended by Kevin Dean. I'll report back on my GSM test results in another email. -Tim On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 15:32 -0500, Bobby Martin wrote: Are you saying that sound GSM work after resume using the April 17th image? What kernel image are you using? Hi Fredrik, All I can say is since loading the 17th April image on my Neo it has in terms of battery life become *very* usable. I'm s glad now that I can set the 'power management' to 'dim then lock' and now I can happily use it for a whole day (or more as haven't tested its thresholds yet)! Thanks Openmoko! Regards, Tim -- Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country. — Hermann Göring at the Nuremberg trials ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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That was my bad, opened a installer for a program (totally legal i swear! :p), after several virus checks, yet it manages to try to send emails everywhere :( Thought avast had stopped it from sending, apparently not. So feel free to send hate mail to that gmail address :P Kristoffer James Olney skrev: I always find it better to cook it before eating it. but either way it's good. 2008/4/23 Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Surely my dog will have something to say about this thread... Tim Shannon wrote: Oh come on! You're just disagreeing because you have no idea what we're talking about. On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Peter Abplanalp [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/23/08, Denis Shulyaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/4/23, Casey G [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes. I agree:) not me! i'm totally against it! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Thoughts about calls not taken
Hi, I have an idea going through my mind about rejecting phone calls. Today when I reject a call the mobile provider redirects the call to the voice box which I have to call later on to get the message. The way the voice boxes work now is really cumbersome and additionally I have to pay for it. I thought why couldn't the phone do that instead? This way we could also have a better distinction between the two cases when the voice box is used: 1. The provider cannot reach the phone (ie. out of range, or phone is turned off) 2. Called person cannot talk right now (Meeting, cinema, etc.) The first must of course still be taken by the mobile provider's voice box. But the second could be handled by an answering machine right on the phone. The calling person will be charged anyway. The message would be something along the lines: I'm sorry, but I can't take your call right now. Please leave a message after the tone and I'll call you back! This would tell the caller that he should not try again within the next 5 minutes more clearly ;) Additionally the the answering machine could have a much better interface similar to the visual voicemail on the iPhone. While I certainly don't want an iPhone clone I have to admit that this is really a neat feature. Has this service already been hacked in a way that it's possible to use this without an iPhone? It's probably tied to the iPhone and their contracts but which platform would be better suited to have this as well than the OpenMoko? :) What are your thoughts about this? Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thoughts about calls not taken
2. Called person cannot talk right now (Meeting, cinema, etc.) I use pidgin (gaim) for IM, and you can set several 'away' messages depending on why you don't want to be disturbed. Some sort of voicemail app on the phone which plays back one of several messages like Hi, I'm enjoying a movie right now, leave a message or check back later or Sorry I can't take your call, I'm in a meeting, leave a message or whatever. Has this service already been hacked in a way that it's possible to use this without an iPhone? I've read recently that someone's trying to sue Apple (or vice versa) over a patent related to visual voice mail, so I don't think you'd want to get *too* similar. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thoughts about calls not taken
Sorry, just realized I hadn't finished my thought... ian douglas wrote: I use pidgin (gaim) for IM, and you can set several 'away' messages depending on why you don't want to be disturbed. Some sort of voicemail app on the phone which plays back one of several messages like Hi, I'm enjoying a movie right now, leave a message or check back later or Sorry I can't take your call, I'm in a meeting, leave a message or whatever. ... Having a voice mail app on the phone that acts like pidgin for setting multiple 'away' scenarios would be extremely useful. I've seen some Emails on the list recently about a voice mail app, but I don't recall what it was called or whether it has this sort of feature. Haven't got the time at the moment to look it up and see. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thoughts about calls not taken
On Wednesday 23 April 2008 23:20:02 Stefan Misch wrote: But the second could be handled by an answering machine right on the phone. The calling person will be charged anyway. The message would be something along the lines: I'm sorry, but I can't take your call right now. Please leave a message after the tone and I'll call you back! We have a summer of code project this year that's aiming for exactly that. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thoughts about calls not taken
Hi Ian, On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 14:44 -0700, ian douglas wrote: Sorry, just realized I hadn't finished my thought... ian douglas wrote: I use pidgin (gaim) for IM, I tried to use pidgin on the OM but found that I couldn't enter my IM profile details as the multi-tap keyboard didn't get 'activated' when in these fields - has this been fixed now? /me will try again if this is the case. snip / Thanks, Tim -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thoughts about calls not taken
ian douglas wrote: I use pidgin (gaim) for IM, I tried to use pidgin on the OM but found that I couldn't enter my IM profile details as the multi-tap keyboard didn't get 'activated' when in these fields - has this been fixed now? /me will try again if this is the case. No, I use it on my desktop and mentioned it solely for comparison of how an on-phone answering machine app would be most useful. Sorry for not being clear. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Improved page of photographs of Freerunner
Thanks to Mikael Lammentausta, quickstart.openmoko.com/photographs now has a web page and thumbnails, and slightly reduced big images that still capture the essence. Thank you Mikael! (The huge originals are at quickstart.openmoko.com/photographs.originals in case you want to use them for t-shirts or pouches or doggy bags or whatever) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Improved page of photographs of Freerunner
The huge originals are at quickstart.openmoko.com/photographs/originals thanks Thanks to Mikael Lammentausta, quickstart.openmoko.com/photographs now has a web page and thumbnails, and slightly reduced big images that still capture the essence. Thank you Mikael! (The huge originals are at quickstart.openmoko.com/photographs.originals in case you want to use them for t-shirts or pouches or doggy bags or whatever) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Tel: 00447809457487 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thoughts about calls not taken
Youmail has a number based profile setup, where you can set responses for specific numbers (hang up on people, play different voicemail messages, whatever). They have some wacky videos on their website that show how the service works. For visual voicemail, there's a number of options available to any mobile phone user that doesn't care for the iphone + ATT shackle. Callwave has served me well so far, but there are others out there. If those two ever combined, they would have a killer product. Anyway, they're both free and I am in no way affiliated with either of them. On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 6:32 PM, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ian douglas wrote: I use pidgin (gaim) for IM, I tried to use pidgin on the OM but found that I couldn't enter my IM profile details as the multi-tap keyboard didn't get 'activated' when in these fields - has this been fixed now? /me will try again if this is the case. No, I use it on my desktop and mentioned it solely for comparison of how an on-phone answering machine app would be most useful. Sorry for not being clear. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:28:40 +0200 thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: yup. those 7m/sec (that's write to video ram) is also shared with SD card IO. 7m/sec for VGA graphics is not much. QVGA is 1/4 the pixel count of VGA. this will be slower on the gta02 than gta01. gta01 get you about 43m/sec to video memory. xglamo only accelerates a small subset of 2d operations and no 3d. 3d itself is very limited even if we did it - it would be QVGA only for starters. 256x256 max texture size also isn't very useful. so as such if you are reading data from SD CARD and doing graphics - it will be problematic - likely SD card IO will lose out big-time. I guess the problem is, that the samsung s3c doesn't have enough interfaces for all the hardware freerunner has. So the Glamo ended up on the SDIO-port (used for the SD-slot in gta01), and the SD-slot is no connected to the glamos own SD-interface. On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 6:20 PM, christopher bradski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious how the gfx chip ended up sharing the same bus as the sd-slot? How slow would a video be on this device? Ie. Would a downcoded video be watchable since the freerunner has more available memory and cpu power available to do software decoding? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:54:02 To:List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics James Olney wrote: looks nice, obviously the freerunner with it's improved hardware and grfx chip will really start to shine. Unfortunately, not quite obviously. For example, the memory bus bandwidth to the GPU is some 7M/s, compared to 60+M/s for the GTA01, and the 3D hardware will not have drivers. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 6:07 AM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a question: the widgets shown are they running on X? I would say not, because you can see the blinking text-console cursor in the upper-left corner. I have run into the same thing when doing framebuffer graphics: wasn't sure how to turn it off. Cool demos though! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics
Tilman Baumann wrote: Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Patrick Davila wrote: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/04/22/side-by-side-video-windows-mobile-and-embedded-linux/ You have to admit the bling looks pretty. Just a question: the widgets shown are they running on X? It seems they are since you can see kwin running with the KDE default style. And... If I'm right, this means that we could run Qt apps like these also in Openmoko (I mean without X reboot :P), isn't it? Regular K* and Q* apps of course. Just port the qt libs. But not QTopia apps AFAIK. But Holger Freyther (zecke) is currently porting qtopia on x11. See the distro level mailing list for his progress. qtopia already runs on x11. He is working to integrate qtopia x11 with other wm/toolkits and improve qtopia on x. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
