On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:55 AM, Werner Almesberger wrote:
> NAND support is only there because of the GTA01/GTA02 legacy and it
> has limitations compared to SD. While technically possible to bring
> NAND support in Qi on par with SD, I think it would just make things
> more complicated and lure p
> i just stumbled across the way to send an SMS to a particular contact. in
> the people screen, slide the contact name to the right, a "Msg" button
> appears, which you can press to start composing an SMS.
>
> i'm sure i'm not the first person to find this, but i couldn't find any
> references on
Layoffs are always sad, and never an easy decision to make. To those
who are leaving the company, thanks for the great work. I wish the
best for your future endeavours and hope that you are able to remain
in the community in some way.
I know I haven't really contributed much to the project. I'm
roguem...@roguewrt.org wrote:
> I booted from flash and SD card for quite some time.
I think it's best to consider Qi as an SD-centric solution and to
plan migrating towards SD.
NAND support is only there because of the GTA01/GTA02 legacy and it
has limitations compared to SD. While technically p
Hi,
Just a thought. Isn't the drop down list easy enough to use with a single
hand? I can manage that.
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Hi,
OpenMitko wrote:
>
>>The only problem I found so far is that it scrolls not only horizontally
but also
>>vertically.
>
Can't seem to change that from 'C'. Any ideas elementary gurus ?
Warren Baird-2 wrote:
>
>>Makes sense - I'll try to come up with a few in the next couple of days. I
gue
Hi
>> But the current one - shipping
>> with om2009 - is pretty good.
..
>> What keyboard is it anyway ? Is it listed here
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate ?
>
> It's the Illume one.
It's Rasters ? Good job. It works.
thanks,
*-pike
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On Wednesday 03 June 2009, pike wrote:
> Hi
>
> > It's sad that this community couldn't even manage to build a decent
> > keyboard for the freerunner within one year.
>
> I did try the list of keyboards last year
> and couldnt live with them. But the current one - shipping
> with om2009 - is pretty
On Wednesday 03 June 2009 12:02:46 Petr Vanek wrote:
> >In contrast to Warner I really like the scroll bar at the bottom, and
> >I find it not only nice looking, but also very easy to use with one
> >hand. The only problem I found so far is that it scrolls not only
> >horizontally but also vertical
Thanks for your update, Sean!
It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in support
of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with support in
areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal side (trademarks).
I'm happy to see this transition and willing
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 03:21:26PM -0300, Werner Almesberger wrote:
> Doug Jones wrote:
> > Has this bug been there all along? Does our community's collective
> > memory have a hole in it?
>
> Seems that it chopped the mail at the line beginning with "From".
> Not sure where the rest ended up ..
yep. you have to vary a whole host of test conditions.
Subjects: those with touch screen experience: those without
Order of presentation:
Size of subjects finger
How they type..for me I've always struggled between being a thumb typer and
and index finger typer.. neither works for me very well
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:13:12 -0700 Steve Mosher said:
>
>
>> yep. triple damages. When doing 3D graphics we NEVER looked at
>> patents, otherwise we couldnt build shit.
>>
>
> oh indeed. the only way to go is plead ignorance. if it comes to co
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:58:57 +0200 Michal Brzozowski said:
> 2009/6/3 Steve Mosher
>
> > Perhaps he thinks by presenting the keyboard in that way you will be
> > "more careful" in where you tap your finger..
> >
> > Worth a test.. but in theory I agree with you.. more dead space = more
> > fail
On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:43:29 -0700 Steve Mosher said:
> I Wonder if you actually need to implement a visual triangle or if a
> triangular touch area would work just as well?
>
> And I wonder how tighly the patent is written around the concept of a
> triangle.. Perhaps shave off a tiny prtion o
On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:05:12 -0700 Steve Mosher said:
indeed. if there is a lot of deadspace where no hit happens its then even
harder for a corrective algo + dict to work as often u will tap and nothing
happens (it happens often enough on the gta02if you use a finger. using
fingernails or stylus
On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:08:51 -0700 Steve Mosher said:
indeed. i believe "its not worth bothering". so i am not going to invest any
time into trying it (to try it i'd have to build it... and that will use time)
as my theorising says to me "it wont help". if someone else who thinks it
really is the
On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:13:12 -0700 Steve Mosher said:
> yep. triple damages. When doing 3D graphics we NEVER looked at
> patents, otherwise we couldnt build shit.
oh indeed. the only way to go is plead ignorance. if it comes to court without
a cease and desist you will very likely get off (
Doug Jones wrote:
> Has this bug been there all along? Does our community's collective
> memory have a hole in it?
Seems that it chopped the mail at the line beginning with "From".
Not sure where the rest ended up ...
- Werner
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Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:10:49 +0200 Michal Brzozowski said:
>
>
>> I'm amazed how much you guys can theorize about the idea before actually
>> trying it.
>
> i theorize because hat's what i've done for decades doing code, ui etc. i sit
> and think about
Sean, thanks for the update !
It is unfortunate that Openmoko Inc. cannot presently continue to
lead the development of the open phone. But then, many a great
undertaking has required more than one effort before reaching its
goal. Anything that brings us closer to that goal is a success in
itself,
before you test you need a good theory. that way you know what data to
collect. raster has a theory why it wont be better. That's a testable
theory, I think.
Michal Brzozowski wrote:
> 2009/6/3 Carsten Haitzler
>
>> but u'll hit dead space (nothing) about 50% more often than the actual key
>>
yes, you substitute one error for the other. the issue is the probablity
of those errors and the time to correct..
no harm in testing the approach, if somebody has time on their hands
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:07:07 +0200 Marcel said:
>
>> I simply want to
On Wednesday 03 June 2009 19:49:01 Michael Zanetti wrote:
> On Wednesday 03 June 2009 12:02:46 Petr Vanek wrote:
> > >In contrast to Warner I really like the scroll bar at the bottom, and
> > >I find it not only nice looking, but also very easy to use with one
> > >hand. The only problem I found so
2009/6/3 Steve Mosher
> Perhaps he thinks by presenting the keyboard in that way you will be
> "more careful" in where you tap your finger..
>
> Worth a test.. but in theory I agree with you.. more dead space = more
> failed keypresses.."im touching put nothing is happening...
>
If raster is r
hummm... no reaction to my /q\w/e\r/t\y/ idea ;) ?
2009/6/3 pike
> Hi
> > It's sad that this community couldn't even manage to build a decent
> keyboard
> > for the freerunner within one year.
>
> I did try the list of keyboards last year
> and couldnt live with them. But the current one - sh
A7 is sitting at the factory waiting for orders
Timo Jyrinki wrote:
> 2009/6/3 David Reyes Samblas Martinez :
>> Devel Upgraded Version(A6+) at 259 EUR
>> Retail Version(A7) at 299 EUR
>
> Great news! Are both A6+ and A7 available for shipment right way? Not
> that it would matter regarding A7, s
Hi
> It's sad that this community couldn't even manage to build a decent keyboard
> for the freerunner within one year.
I did try the list of keyboards last year
and couldnt live with them. But the current one - shipping
with om2009 - is pretty good. Even with fingers.
So, there's been progress..
On Wednesday 03 June 2009 12:02:46 Petr Vanek wrote:
> >In contrast to Warner I really like the scroll bar at the bottom, and
> >I find it not only nice looking, but also very easy to use with one
> >hand. The only problem I found so far is that it scrolls not only
> >horizontally but also vertical
Perhaps he thinks by presenting the keyboard in that way you will be
"more careful" in where you tap your finger..
Worth a test.. but in theory I agree with you.. more dead space = more
failed keypresses.."im touching put nothing is happening...
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Wed
I Wonder if you actually need to implement a visual triangle or if a
triangular touch area would work just as well?
And I wonder how tighly the patent is written around the concept of a
triangle.. Perhaps shave off a tiny prtion of the tip of the triangle
and you have a parallelogram... hmm jus
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:39:08 -0300 fredrik normann
said:
> A bit off topic, but what about generating a dictionary out of:
>
> * Sent and received sms's. I want to dict that is a mix between, english,
> norwegian and spanish
> * add the $PATH to the dict, so it's at easy to write small commands
On Wednesday 03 June 2009, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 03:43:42PM +0200, Mathieu Rochette wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Marcel wrote:
> > > But dict mode is useless for me if I want to write in german, and I
> > > didn't bother to find a german dict yet be
Hi all
Another idea to use the triangles but without dead spaces (so compatible
with small screen)
What about alternate orientations for each key, a bit like this:
/q\w/e\r/t\y/...
This way you have more space in the top on w, r and y, and more space on the
bottom for q, e and t. I mean more spa
Makes sense - I'll try to come up with a few in the next couple of days. I
guess drop 'em in a directory like /usr/share/wallpapers? then you can
make that the default folder to browse in your prefs UI?
For the category picker - how much work would it be to maintain both modes
and let the user
A bit off topic, but what about generating a dictionary out of:
* Sent and received sms's. I want to dict that is a mix between, english,
norwegian and spanish
* add the $PATH to the dict, so it's at easy to write small commands in the
terminal.
-fredrik-
hi,
i have some really annoying troubles with the illume keyboard.
it doesn't remember i have made it show once i switch windows and this
gets really annoying. is there a way for it to remember it's state for
a window?
imagine a typical situation - retyping from one window to another:
open term
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:40:43 -0700 (PDT) "neove...@freerunner"
said:
>
> What about first building a decent keyboard with normal keys and then dream
> about triangular keys glory?
>
> Such a triangular keyboard uses lots of space, maybe twice the space of a
> normal keyboard. That's certainly no
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:10:49 +0200 Michal Brzozowski said:
> I'm amazed how much you guys can theorize about the idea before actually
> trying it.
i theorize because hat's what i've done for decades doing code, ui etc. i sit
and think about how something will work months or years before i do it.
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 05:10:49PM +0200, Michal Brzozowski wrote:
> 2009/6/3 Carsten Haitzler
> I'm amazed how much you guys can theorize about the idea before actually
> trying it.
>
> Is it because of allergy to patents?
No, it's the general allergy to being sued for willingful patent infring
What about first building a decent keyboard with normal keys and then dream
about triangular keys glory?
Such a triangular keyboard uses lots of space, maybe twice the space of a
normal keyboard. That's certainly not useful on the small freerunner screen
which is also cramped by the casing frame.
2009/6/3 Carsten Haitzler
> but u'll hit dead space (nothing) about 50% more often than the actual key
> you
> intended to hit now (as 50% of the area it would have normally used is now
> dead
> space). for a physical kbd it might help as u have better tactile feel as u
> have
> more edge near th
Hi Clare,
thanks for your efforts :)
The next neovento version will include a small configuration program which
will allow you to switch between the keyboard layouts.
The numpad issue is something we could not solve. With the most recent
matchbox keyboard you could use different layouts on one
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 03:43:42PM +0200, Mathieu Rochette wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Marcel wrote:
>
> > But dict mode is useless for me if I want to write in german, and I didn't
> > bother to find a german dict yet because they mostly don't contain slang
> > anyway.
Just edit th
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 00:01:18 +1200 Robin Paulson said:
> 2009/6/3 Carsten Haitzler :
> > u seriously doubt that. mis-pressing keys will also make you want to hi them
> > more accurately too. it applies to both cases. thedifference is that if you
> > are not more accurate u get zero key press as op
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:07:07 +0200 Marcel said:
> I simply want to try that design before sending it to hell, maybe it just
> works fine... I agree with people who said this before: Hitting actually
> dead space is less painful than hitting the wrong key and having to
> backspace/stroke-left al
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Marcel wrote:
> But dict mode is useless for me if I want to write in german, and I didn't
> bother to find a german dict yet because they mostly don't contain slang
> anyway. This hold-until-magnifier-pops-up thing isn't too helpful because
> it takes ages to type
Hi;
I am finding a lot of improvements in this latest version; and I have
not been able to try a lot of them, due to lack of time. however I
have changed the keyboard (attached). The main reason was that some
keys were not there. Especially some that I needed. e.g. backslash I
now have on it all t
But dict mode is useless for me if I want to write in german, and I didn't
bother to find a german dict yet because they mostly don't contain slang
anyway. This hold-until-magnifier-pops-up thing isn't too helpful because
it takes ages to type something up with that. Hitting a key twice because
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Marcel wrote:
> I simply want to try that design before sending it to hell, maybe it just
> works fine... I agree with people who said this before: Hitting actually
> dead space is less painful than hitting the wrong key and having to
> backspace/stroke-left all th
I simply want to try that design before sending it to hell, maybe it just
works fine... I agree with people who said this before: Hitting actually
dead space is less painful than hitting the wrong key and having to
backspace/stroke-left all the time, maybe even accidentally pressing other
keys
2009/6/3 Carsten Haitzler :
> u seriously doubt that. mis-pressing keys will also make you want to hi them
> more accurately too. it applies to both cases. thedifference is that if you
> are
> not more accurate u get zero key press as opposed to the one you wanted when
> its
> a square. then you
i'm still undecided...
although i agree it is far more annoying to hit the wrong key instead of no key
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Joseph Reeves wrote:
>> There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines together
>> inverted to each other?
>
> I think the fact that it's not like
> There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines together
> inverted to each other?
I think the fact that it's not like you describe the whole idea of the design ;)
Go to the page on El Reg and try and type your name by pushing your
monitor. It's stupid, yes, but it gives you an i
Hi
apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/
> thedifference is that if you are
> not more accurate u get zero key press as opposed to the one you wanted when
> its
> a square. then you aways get a press - the questio
2009/6/3 Timo Jyrinki :
> 2009/6/3 David Reyes Samblas Martinez :
>> Devel Upgraded Version(A6+) at 259 EUR
>> Retail Version(A7) at 299 EUR
>
> Great news! Are both A6+ and A7 available for shipment right way?
Not a lot of but I have a few ready to ship, and I of course will
import more if I get o
2009/6/3 David Reyes Samblas Martinez :
> Devel Upgraded Version(A6+) at 259 EUR
> Retail Version(A7) at 299 EUR
Great news! Are both A6+ and A7 available for shipment right way? Not
that it would matter regarding A7, since A6+ is equivalent, but
interested if A7 production runs have started now.
>In contrast to Warner I really like the scroll bar at the bottom, and
>I find it not only nice looking, but also very easy to use with one
>hand. The only problem I found so far is that it scrolls not only
>horizontally but also vertically.
yes, i was looking at the same scroll bar used in illum
Dear all ,
In order to easy development of software and vertical solutions using
Neo FreeRunner, we have update our catalog offeing the Neo FreeRunner
in tree different versions.
Devel Version(A6) at 229 EUR
Devel Upgraded Version(A6+) at 259 EUR
Retail Version(A7) at 299 EUR
A6 and A7 no need pre
Hi to all,
In contrast to Warner I really like the scroll bar at the bottom, and I find
it not only nice looking, but also very easy to use with one hand. The only
problem I found so far is that it scrolls not only horizontally but also
vertically.
Keep up the good work, C_C!
Regards,
Mitko
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On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:16:21 +0200 Michal Brzozowski said:
> 2009/6/3 Carsten Haitzler
>
> > On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:27:00 +1200 Robin Paulson
> > said:
> >
> > > apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
> > >
> > > http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/
> > >
> >
> Oh did I say that questioning Qi was spreading FUD and mail congestion?
that's how i understood it.
> My apologies. I'll rephrase. Criticising features you know nothing about
> in a thread about a question you contributed nothing to is spreading FUD
> and causing mail congestion.
what exactly
2009/6/3 Carsten Haitzler
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:27:00 +1200 Robin Paulson
> said:
>
> > apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
> >
> > http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/
> >
> > i'm not totally convinced, but it would be worth a go, i think
>
> he's smokin
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:51:50 +0200 Mathieu Rochette said:
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:41 AM, neove...@freerunner wrote:
>
> >
> > There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines together
> > inverted to each other?
>
> The article says "that each triangular key has significantly mo
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:41 AM, neove...@freerunner wrote:
>
> There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines together
> inverted to each other?
The article says "that each triangular key has significantly more dead space
around it than you’d find on a standard Qwerty layout. Cons
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:27:00 +1200 Robin Paulson said:
> apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
>
> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/
>
> i'm not totally convinced, but it would be worth a go, i think
he's smoking crack. his logic (that more deadspace make
There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines together
inverted to each other?
Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Robin Paulson
> wrote:
>> apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
>>
>> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyb
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 05:27:00PM +1200, Robin Paulson wrote:
> apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
>
> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/
>
> i'm not totally convinced, but it would be worth a go, i think
>
> now, is it possible to coerce raster's keybo
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