Re: Freerunner's Future
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Werner Almesbergerwer...@openmoko.org wrote: You can view the situation also as an opportunity to change some of the structure of the project. Openmoko Inc. had certain constraints due to the way it was conceived. Some of them looked good at the beginning but later caused problems - yet were too difficult to change. The good thing about a new start is that you can stop fighting the mistakes of the past and turn your full attention towards making new ones ;-) - Werner +1 for Werner's way of looking at things. Considering that Openmoko started as a project inside a major electronics manufacturer, it's not surprising that once it was spun off it kept a lot of organizational legacy from its corporate roots. While the old structure worked well enough to get us to this point, I'm pretty excited about getting the development even more out in the open. Jon 'maddog' Hall's offer to incubate the community under Linux International is also pretty exciting. Eventually I'd like to see an independent foundation that acts as hub and legal representative of the community. Organizing an Openmoko Foundation is something I'd really like to help with. Up till now I've not really had the skills to contribute any sort of code. The other activities open to me thus far (like bug testing and documentation), well unfortunately haven't gotten me involved in anything more than a casual basis (though I have learned tonnes from my months of lurking). But organizing is what I love doing. Like I said above my organizing experience isn't with free software but with local activist groups and social services: - co-founder of a homeless shelter - sat on committee to rewrite all bylaws, policies and procedures for the shelter after it had been incorporated as a nonprofit (I'm not a lawyer, but I've been exposed to lots of policy) - sat on the board of a coalition/network of social service agencies. the coalition was unincorporated and hosted by an incubator organization - i've done trainings for groups on consensus decision making and conflict resolution Even though I'm from a different field, I think enough of my background should cross over that I can be of some help. I've also used GNU/Linux on the desktop and server since Slackware 3.2 and have been a lurker/occasional participant on many Free software projects in that time. So I'm pretty familiar with open source politics too. I just usually get active in more local oriented projects. I don't want any sort of official position... give that to someone who has already demonstrated a long term commitment to the community. But I would like to be kept in the loop.. if there's a mailing list created I'll join it and be a part of the discussion as much as I can. Depending on how things go, maybe I can handle some of the organizational tasks that would previously have been done by Openmoko Inc. and free up developers to do their thing. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
Shashank Bharadwaj wrote: I tried qmplayer, it played mp3 songs from my computer using the share option. But it refused to play an avi file of a music video on the phone, though it could play it on the computer. How do i debug this and provide you with more information? If you download avi from PC via the sharing option, then PC must have installed mencoder. The first attempt to download avi starts mencoder and next attempt after encoding is done downloads the avi. On phone you need glamo version of mplayer - this should be handled by installation scripts. If not then just delete /usr/bin/mplayer and qmplayer will download and install correct mplayer from my homepage when you attempt to play something. So debug output can be seen when qmplayer is started from console. Hope it helps :) Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] create opkg-packages
Hi I created a deb package of opkg and ipkg-utils , feel free to install them : check http://rzr.online.fr/q/apt then sudo aptitude install rzr opkg ipkg-utils qemu-neo1973 boxar Regards -- Related Obsession : http://rzr.online.fr/q/esd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Help requested: SHR Screenshots
Hi, I'm writing an article for LWN (http://www.lwn.net) saying that I think SHR is now suitable for your typical LWN.net reader). LWN would like some screenshots of a recent SHR (testing or unstable) that they could publish with the article. Unfortunately my FR is still in transit (buzz fixed by Dr. N et al) so could someone send some recent screenshots to: openm...@coralbark.net I'd especially like the dialler and the main illume launcher screen but I'd appreciate any that you thought were interesting and suitable for publication. Thanks in advance for any help. Jon. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community-driven redesign / new theme for Paroli
I haven't really done that; but instead, I've been translating my 'few optimisations' into a 'few mockups' and added them here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli-themes Thanks for thinking and investigating time about paroli look! I have read your proposal, however I dont really get the sizzle part (maybe because of my weak english skills). If this sizzle thing would mean, that the actual selected element should be highlighted (green). That I think it is not really doable because of the hardware. This touchscreen is point and click. So there is nothing like hovering an element what is common on a desktop with a mouse. If the proposal is the selected (clicked) item should be green instead of white? That is a fair point. And I think it should be a good first step to a more eyecandy paroli theme. (we could create some themes, where we only changes some basic colors, like: greenish, bluish, pinkish themes). And it is really easy to do this, as there is only some color value editing is needed. Mostly like this: color: 0 0 0 255 // red green blue alpha to: color: 100 123 0 200 //red green blue alpha So creating some basic different color styles is really easy, and the programming skills required is nearly nonexistent. .. but it was a bit confusing to do that. I assume someone (Mirko?) is still leading on development of paroli. That is true, Mirko is still around, and leading paroli development. And I assume something like this - simply optimizing the default ui - has been in someones agenda already. Im messing with the gui here and there. Ofcourse, I could just start making my own edje files. But if another, also improved, paroli is coming along, why would I. And I don't like edje very much from the looks of it. Yeah, Im almost done, with the most basic and urgent improvements (back button everywhere). Install the newest om2009 unstable, or see the introduction video to Paroli what I posted in an other thread for the current status. Unless, ofcourse, someone finds this very interesting. In which case I might have a few spare evenings to do some more. Every contribution is interesting. Even if I see your them not pleasent, its worth the effort to create it anyway. Because somebody likes it more then me. I see it this way: Im improving the default theme here and there, I fix mostly usability adjust some font size and placing. But nothing really radical. Mirko does the same. If somebody creates an alternate theme (and even he only changes some of the colors), we will it incorporate into paroli and make it selectable (through settings for example). Whether the new theme should be default or not, can be a good candidate of community voting. This is only my view of things. But I have seen Mirko is very open in every UI ideas. He already implemented slidings on the gui, easy scrolling, so pretty much everything is possible. Otherwise, I might still make a text version of the 'few optimisations' I could think of, anyway. I would really like to see you creating a theme where you only change some colors, and such. It is relatively easy and its only one file/application needs to be overwritten. If the theme is done, Im sure we can incorporate as a selectable theme into paroli. (no more overwrite required). When the basic infrastructure is figured out, you can continue of the theme development. Placing images here and there, make some item transparent, animations, etc. There is already a guy (Victor) who created some alternate icons. There is you who have some improvements idea and made some mockups. Keep you guys coming these nice things! Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Help requested: SHR Screenshots
On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 10:38:41 +0100 Jon Levell openm...@coralbark.net (JL) wrote: Hi, I'm writing an article for LWN (http://www.lwn.net) saying that I think SHR is now suitable for your typical LWN.net reader). LWN would like some screenshots of a recent SHR (testing or unstable) that they could publish with the article. Unfortunately my FR is still in transit (buzz fixed by Dr. N et al) so could someone send some recent screenshots to: openm...@coralbark.net I'd especially like the dialler and the main illume launcher screen but I'd appreciate any that you thought were interesting and suitable for publication. Thanks in advance for any help. Jon. Hi, i am uploading it on http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ as we speak, please select what you like :) Cheers -- Petr Vaněk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 4:55 AM, Shashank Bharadwajshanka@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Franky Van Liedekerkeliede...@telenet.be wrote: download the script http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/qtmoko_install.sh , read the comments at the top and then execute the script on your openmoko (after having flashed the device and made sure internet works). The script has 2 options: install or update. An update will just download the tgz file and replace your current qtmoko with it. I used the update option. It worked as expected. After the script was complete, and a reboot done, i was with the latest version. Thanks for this release! I tried qmplayer, it played mp3 songs from my computer using the share option. But it refused to play an avi file of a music video on the phone, though it could play it on the computer. How do i debug this and provide you with more information? Another new applications i tried was google contacts sync. I was successfully able to get contacts from my google account. Is there a way to upload the contacts on the phone back to google-contacts? Not yet. I hope to be able to develop something like it as soon as I'll pass my exam :). I've been trying the new applications out, will report back if any quires/comments. Keep up the good work! -- Regards Shashank As our circle of knowledge expands, so does the circumference of darkness surrounding it - Albert Einstein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Fabio A Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Key: 9EF6 3C79 F6DF 76CD 770A 43A1 DCCB 415C 9656 3334 Envolved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 08:25:50 +0530 Shashank Bharadwaj shanka@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Franky Van Liedekerkeliede...@telenet.be wrote: download the script http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/qtmoko_install.sh , read the comments at the top and then execute the script on your openmoko (after having flashed the device and made sure internet works). The script has 2 options: install or update. An update will just download the tgz file and replace your current qtmoko with it. I used the update option. It worked as expected. After the script was complete, and a reboot done, i was with the latest version. Thanks for this release! you're welcome I tried qmplayer, it played mp3 songs from my computer using the share option. But it refused to play an avi file of a music video on the phone, though it could play it on the computer. How do i debug this and provide you with more information? Another new applications i tried was google contacts sync. I was successfully able to get contacts from my google account. Is there a way to upload the contacts on the phone back to google-contacts? well, I didn't develop the app, just made it work :-) For now it seems the app is only one-way. I'm hoping to be able to try out a new app that uses syncml, that would make it easier to sync with other apps as well (and 2-way). I've been trying the new applications out, will report back if any quires/comments. Keep up the good work! Let us know the results, Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Paroli introduction video
It's a truly original introduction :) On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 12:34 AM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: I love it :), good work!!! 2009/6/6 Steffen Winkler steffen.li...@gmx.de: Wow, nice video. And sure a lot of work (painting all the papers). Nice idea ;) Am Samstag, den 06.06.2009, 16:15 +0200 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS: Dear list, Im toying with the idea, of creating a Paroli introduction video, where I present all the basic phone functionality of paroli. Short of a tutorial, where I can point the newcomers to. I have began to shoot the video, and made about 5 min, where I needed to cut off. The video is not finished, and I will reshoot it, as it is blurry, and shacked the camera a lot. However, I will be not able reshoot it before wednesday or later next week. So Im posting this *work-in-progress* 10% made video to the community hoping that somebody with willing to record the audio will join me, and others will have some feedbacks too. I also hoping, if some of you have done video editing before, and can adjust the background sound, with voice, and finalise the video will step up, and help me. Otherwise I will reshoot the video next week, and put online as-is. I hope it will be less blurry (the lcd is broken in my camera, so cant see anything while filming;-|) What I really like in this video, is how speedy paroli is. There is not much waiting, the video is realtime, was absolutely no editing in it. http://www.vimeo.com/5029019 Feedbacks? Laszlo PS: bear in mind, that this is my first video. Dont be too harsh. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Help requested: SHR Screenshots
Petr Vanek wrote: On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 10:38:41 +0100 Jon Levell openm...@coralbark.net (JL) wrote: Hi, I'm writing an article for LWN (http://www.lwn.net) saying that I think SHR is now suitable for your typical LWN.net reader). LWN would like some screenshots of a recent SHR (testing or unstable) that they could publish with the article. Unfortunately my FR is still in transit (buzz fixed by Dr. N et al) so could someone send some recent screenshots to: openm...@coralbark.net I'd especially like the dialler and the main illume launcher screen but I'd appreciate any that you thought were interesting and suitable for publication. Thanks in advance for any help. Jon. Hi, i am uploading it on http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ as we speak, please select what you like :) Nice selection, would it be possible to include a short description of what's visible in the images? Like: distro X, showing app Y and Z. TIA Bram ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Help requested: SHR Screenshots
I'd especially like the dialler and the main illume launcher screen but I'd appreciate any that you thought were interesting and suitable for publication. i am uploading it on http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ as we speak, please ok, all was shot on latest SHR unstable, home screen provided by Launcher: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/6c99064da4a4022875ea98f0bcfae6fc.png Settings menu integrated into illume: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/6e19e463a16b0549125ef8c4da297022.png Contact screen: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/1d6d11aa4e94c67b91b85588dbce2dca.png Messages screen: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/7b3f595e90015d57e72340f336b1f4fd.png P. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Help requested: SHR Screenshots
Hi, Petr Vanek wrote: Jon Levell openm...@coralbark.net (JL) wrote: [..] LWN would like some screenshots of a recent SHR (testing or unstable) that they could publish with the article. i am uploading it on http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ as we speak, please select what you like :) Thank you very much for the fast response Petr. Jon. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Help requested: SHR Screenshots
On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 15:14:02 +0200 Michael Zanetti michael_zane...@gmx.net (MZ) wrote: On Sunday 07 June 2009 12:00:44 Petr Vanek wrote: i am uploading it on http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ as we speak, please select what you like :) Very nice screenshots! How did you get the category bar on the bottom for example on screenshot #2753? Thanks, Michael this is not my shot, but could this be Sort desk? Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to fix a broken AUX button ?
2009/5/26 Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com: Hi Philippe, Sorry I can't help you with your problem, but I was just replying to say that I dropped mine the other day and the AUX button stopped working... Keep us informed of any developments with yours. I had a proposition from Daniel Willman who propose to fix it but i can't get in touch with him, and his website login get in loop hence i can't either look at the ticket i openned for this purpose. I hope he will catch this mail and contact me. I have a spare broken nintendo ds i was wondering if i could a contactor from it to replace the button, but in any case i have not skills to solder them. Cheers, Joseph Regards, Philippe ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Stress test of my Freerunner
As you already noticed from my last mail (Visit at Openmoko), I was traveling through Taiwan. I didn't want to blame anyone, but share my feelings with people that are also thrilled by this project. Nevertheless as several people already mentioned, we have an open phone! and there is a future! I use my Freerunner for several weeks as my daily phone now (started after the buzz was fixed by Daniel, thanks). However, the last two weeks I stretched my FR to the limit and it did it well: Few days before I started traveling Taiwan, I decided to make some GPS based diary for my friends at home. Thanks to the very easy API of FSO, I was able to write a basic application in Python within three evenings. The applications sends the current coordinates and some text to my server, where a KML file is created which can be downloaded by my friends. At the airport, I bought a cheap Taiwan SIM card and I started to transmit my position via GPRS (which also worked out-of-the-box). Furthermore, the timezone changed automagically based on GSM (my old Sony Ericsson wasn't able to do so). I had a lot of fun during the last weeks tracking my travel. Of course, I had some problems but I could solve all of them more or less. E.g. the SHR alarm application doesn't worked. So I did the alarm the bash way: sleep 28800 aplay alarm.wav :-) With this solution, the phone couldn't suspend. Luckily, the wall charger has Taiwan connections below the European adaptor :-) Furthermore, I was that adventurous to make an opkg upgrade during the travel :-) Thereafter, I couldn't suspend after I started GPRS. Annoying, but not a serious problem. I love my FR Sven P.S.: Now I start to fill some bug reports :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stress test of my Freerunner
Thanks for the impressions. I really like the GPS diary idea. Perhaps you should release it to the public? As to alarms, try ffalarms (opkg install ffalarms). Yogiz On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 21:55:37 +0800 Sven Klomp s...@klomp.de wrote: As you already noticed from my last mail (Visit at Openmoko), I was traveling through Taiwan. I didn't want to blame anyone, but share my feelings with people that are also thrilled by this project. Nevertheless as several people already mentioned, we have an open phone! and there is a future! I use my Freerunner for several weeks as my daily phone now (started after the buzz was fixed by Daniel, thanks). However, the last two weeks I stretched my FR to the limit and it did it well: Few days before I started traveling Taiwan, I decided to make some GPS based diary for my friends at home. Thanks to the very easy API of FSO, I was able to write a basic application in Python within three evenings. The applications sends the current coordinates and some text to my server, where a KML file is created which can be downloaded by my friends. At the airport, I bought a cheap Taiwan SIM card and I started to transmit my position via GPRS (which also worked out-of-the-box). Furthermore, the timezone changed automagically based on GSM (my old Sony Ericsson wasn't able to do so). I had a lot of fun during the last weeks tracking my travel. Of course, I had some problems but I could solve all of them more or less. E.g. the SHR alarm application doesn't worked. So I did the alarm the bash way: sleep 28800 aplay alarm.wav :-) With this solution, the phone couldn't suspend. Luckily, the wall charger has Taiwan connections below the European adaptor :-) Furthermore, I was that adventurous to make an opkg upgrade during the travel :-) Thereafter, I couldn't suspend after I started GPRS. Annoying, but not a serious problem. I love my FR Sven P.S.: Now I start to fill some bug reports :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
In The Name Of God On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 12:52 AM, a dehqandehqa...@gmail.com wrote: In The Name Of God Thanks alot for your attentions ; Input method just means a way of typing characters that are not on your keyboard. For example, in Debian GNU/Linux, one can run this command to use a standard US keyboard to type Persian[1] using the Iranian standard for keyboards[2]: setxkbmap -v -rules xfree86 -model pc104 -layout us,ir -option grp:alt_shift_toggle -option grp_led:caps When I run that on my desktop computer, I am then able to hit ALT+SHIFT to toggle between Farsi and English input. Now when I type ABCabc123 on my keyboard I get ؤژشذز۱۲۳. Of course, that doesn't help you on the Freerunner, which doesn't have a physical keyboard. Someone (perhaps you?) needs to design a Farsi onscreen keyboard. Another person on this thread said that it was relatively easy, but I don't know having never done it. So there is a persian layer yes ?so is not possible to change layer in another way except input methode suchlike a command or a script ? I'll be thankfull if anyone answer the above question ? and 2- Is arabic ready and complete ? Regards dehqan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.bewrote: (install instructions and script updated on 2090601: see below) It's been a while, but we haven't been sleeping :-) New website: We have a new website now, thanks to Fale: http://www.qtmoko.org There you can find all the latest changes, report bugs, etc ... Hi, Where's the best place to report and discuss bugs in this (and other) releases? I'm seeing a few problems so far: GPS doesn't appear to work at all, and when connecting to WiFi, the DNS server doesn't appear to be set at all. Setting it manually in /etc/resolv.conf didn't seem to do anything when I tried with two different access points. --Ori Pessach ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
intone a2dp (bluetooth) support
I find intone by far the best music app (low cpu usage); but I can't find a way to route the audio through Currently I use mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth /mp3/ I would love it if this would be possible with intone. Does anybody know a way, or is there some work begin done? btw: some info from joerg: general rule: no audio app shall have a hardcoded audio device. A setup option is mandatory the only valid botch would be to have a unique dedicated device like e.g. 'alsa-intone', then set up .asound to associate a physical device to this symbolic name nevertheless a lot of audio apps are borked and use a hardcoded 'default' device. This is absolutely deprecated ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to fix a broken AUX button ?
Hey, On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 15:42:07 +0200 Philippe Lhardy philippelha...@chez.com wrote: 2009/5/26 Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com: Hi Philippe, Sorry I can't help you with your problem, but I was just replying to say that I dropped mine the other day and the AUX button stopped working... Keep us informed of any developments with yours. I had a proposition from Daniel Willman who propose to fix it but i can't get in touch with him, and his website login get in loop hence i can't either look at the ticket i openned for this purpose. I hope he will catch this mail and contact me. sorry, I've only now been going through my mails. Due to http://totalueberwachung.de/blog/2009/06/06/pwnd-by-lenovo I'm currently not really online and responsive. I sincerely hope this mess will be resolved by Tuesday. I've seen this redirect loop before, but I'm not sure what causes it. I'll just delete the account and you can try again. Regards, Daniel Willmann signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.bewrote: On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 08:46:18 -0600 Ori Pessach opess...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.bewrote: (install instructions and script updated on 2090601: see below) It's been a while, but we haven't been sleeping :-) New website: We have a new website now, thanks to Fale: http://www.qtmoko.org There you can find all the latest changes, report bugs, etc ... Hi, Where's the best place to report and discuss bugs in this (and other) releases? I'm seeing a few problems so far: GPS doesn't appear to work at all, and when connecting to WiFi, the DNS server doesn't appear to be set at all. Setting it manually in /etc/resolv.conf didn't seem to do anything when I tried with two different access points. --Ori Pessach Hi, gps is known (some say it should work ...), but the wifi should work just fine. I just tried it here again: first I emptied /etc/resolv.conf (when connected via usb), removed the usb cable and tried connecting to my wireless lan (not encrypted). This seemed to work just fine, just make sure your wireless router gives you an ip and the correct DNS server in the DHCP reply. Also, most wireless routers seem to be confused when you try connecting a wireless client that had another IP in the past, so sometimes you need to reboot the router (I hate it when that happens, but it happens even with my laptop from time to time). For bugs: see http://www.qtmoko.org Franky One other thing - I get this when trying to report a bug on Trac: *Warning:* acct_mgr.web_ui.MessageWrapper object at 0x21eb9d0 Error: Forbidden TICKET_CREATE privileges are required to perform this operation TracGuide http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/wiki/TracGuide — The Trac User and Administration Guide --Ori Pessach ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Ori Pessach opess...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be wrote: On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 08:46:18 -0600 Ori Pessach opess...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.bewrote: (install instructions and script updated on 2090601: see below) It's been a while, but we haven't been sleeping :-) New website: We have a new website now, thanks to Fale: http://www.qtmoko.org There you can find all the latest changes, report bugs, etc ... Hi, Where's the best place to report and discuss bugs in this (and other) releases? I'm seeing a few problems so far: GPS doesn't appear to work at all, and when connecting to WiFi, the DNS server doesn't appear to be set at all. Setting it manually in /etc/resolv.conf didn't seem to do anything when I tried with two different access points. --Ori Pessach Hi, gps is known (some say it should work ...), but the wifi should work just fine. I just tried it here again: first I emptied /etc/resolv.conf (when connected via usb), removed the usb cable and tried connecting to my wireless lan (not encrypted). This seemed to work just fine, just make sure your wireless router gives you an ip and the correct DNS server in the DHCP reply. Also, most wireless routers seem to be confused when you try connecting a wireless client that had another IP in the past, so sometimes you need to reboot the router (I hate it when that happens, but it happens even with my laptop from time to time). For bugs: see http://www.qtmoko.org Franky One other thing - I get this when trying to report a bug on Trac: *Warning:* acct_mgr.web_ui.MessageWrapper object at 0x21eb9d0 Error: Forbidden TICKET_CREATE privileges are required to perform this operation TracGuide http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/wiki/TracGuide — The Trac User and Administration Guide --Ori Pessach All right - you can disregard that. I wasn't patient enough and tried to file a bug report before my email address was verified. Everything works now. --Ori Pessach ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 09:11:47 -0600 Ori Pessach opess...@gmail.com wrote: Well, WiFi certainly doesn't work for me. As I said, I tried two different APs so far. One of them didn't connect at all (that's my home AP, using WPA2.) The other, an open network, wouldn't set the DNS server. if you use encrypted wifi, make sure you have the needed modules for your kernel, that's beyond qtopia itself. Any pointers on how to start debugging this? At first, make sure you have the following file present on your phone (it should be automatically generated): /home/root/Settings/Network/wireless/eth0 The content of that file should contain something like this for an open network: WIRELESS_MODE='Managed' WIRELESS_ESSID=my_network_SID_name WIRELESS_AP= WIRELESS_BITRATE='auto' WIRELESS_CHANNEL='' WIRELESS_KEY_LENGTH='128' WIRELESS_AUTH_MODE=NONE WIRELESS_WEP_PHRASE= WIRELESS_KEY_0= WIRELESS_KEY_1= WIRELESS_KEY_2= WIRELESS_KEY_3= Also the file /home/root/Settings/Network/eth0 should exist with the content MODE=dhcp The script that initializes the wireless is at /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/bin/lan-network and creates a log in /tmp/qtopia-network.log. By default the usb0 interface on the phone gets disabled when you connect the wireless, but if you comment out the line ifdown usb0 in the lan-network script, you can stay connected to your phone via pc-usb while trying to connect to the wireless. When doing this, you can see if the dhcp client runs or not ... Also very important: what kernel are you using? At one point, GPS was working (with an older release of QTopia from Trolltech.) What's the thinking on that? I've never gotten gps to work, no matter which distro I tried, so for now, I accept this. Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
Christian Gagneraud wrote:
Hi all,
I'm using cellhunter since few month, with which i have gathered some
data (1646 cells so far here in Ireland) and uploaded to their server.
I would like to give a try with OpenBmap, is there a way to convert
data from CH to OBM and upload them to OBM server?
I know that OBM log more details than CH but i guess that CH's data
are still usable by OBM.
Generally speaking, what people think about these two project? And of
course the 2 billion euros/dollars question: Which one is the best?
Does the 2 projects collaborate, if not are there any plan to do so?
I did a comparison of what's get logged/store by CH, OBM and OCI
logger/database:
Cell data:
==
OBM CH OCI
timex x x
providerx
mmc x x x
mnc x x x
lac x x x
id x x x
signal (1) x x
arfcn x
type (2)x (3)
ta x (3)
c1 x (4)
c2 x (4)
serving x x
GPS data:
=
OBM CH OCI
timex
lat x x x
longx x x
alt x x
heading x
speed x
hdopx
vdopx
pdopx
Meta data:
==
OBM CH OCI
hwmanuf x
hwidx x
hwver x
swidx x (5)
swver x x (5)
login/pass/key x x x
(1) OBM: signal strength in dBM and rxlevel in % (?), CH: signal
strength according to GSM specs
(2) Network type: GSM, UMTS, HSDPA, ...
(3) OBM: only with serving cells
(4) OBM: only with non-serving cells
(5) Via HTTP agent when uploading
So finally, OCI logs basic information, CH a bit more, and OBM a lot
more.
Here is the compatibility matrix between the loggers and the servers
(database):
SERVER
OCICHOBM
L G OCI x
O E CH x x
G R OBM xx
Both CH and OBM loggers can be used to populate OCI database.
For CH logger to be compatible with OBM database, there's lot of data
that need to be added to the CH logger.
For OBM logger to be compatible with CH database, there's very few
data that need to be added to the OBM logger:
- provider: the network operator, as reported by fso.GSM.Network.g
getStatus() or Status() signal
- arfcn: current channel number, as reported by
fso.GSM.Monitor.Get{Serving,Neighbour}CellInformation()
And only one data is expressed in a different unit:
- signal strength: OBM use dBm and CH use a scale as per %EM AT command
So finally, it would be ideal to enhance slightly the OBM logger, this
way it will be universal in regards to the 3 databases. And this will
give the user the complete freedom to upload his data to whatever
database he wants (for example i would like to upload data to CH
server for the fun and still contribute to OBM because i'm convinced
of the higher quality of their data).
Some personal remarks (a bit OT):
- I was really surprised to see that CH logger use AT commands
directly (via fso.GSM.Debug), whereas OBM logger use plainly the FSO
interface.
- It's a pity that CH use signal strength in GSM scale, FSO use
percent and OBM dBm. There's lot of wasted CPU (and battery) around...
Chris
PS: I don't pretend that this analysis is accurate nor mistake-free,
so please correct me if i'm wrong somewhere.
Chris.
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Re: Help requested: SHR Screenshots
Good resources for a user guide... Michael Zanetti wrote: On Sunday 07 June 2009 12:00:44 Petr Vanek wrote: i am uploading it on http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ as we speak, please select what you like :) Very nice screenshots! How did you get the category bar on the bottom for example on screenshot #2753? Thanks, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stress test of my Freerunner
Thanks Sven, Sorry I was not there on Monday when you visited the office. I left TPE the previous friday. Glad to hear you love you FR, keep up the good work and best of luck on your project. Sven Klomp wrote: As you already noticed from my last mail (Visit at Openmoko), I was traveling through Taiwan. I didn't want to blame anyone, but share my feelings with people that are also thrilled by this project. Nevertheless as several people already mentioned, we have an open phone! and there is a future! I use my Freerunner for several weeks as my daily phone now (started after the buzz was fixed by Daniel, thanks). However, the last two weeks I stretched my FR to the limit and it did it well: Few days before I started traveling Taiwan, I decided to make some GPS based diary for my friends at home. Thanks to the very easy API of FSO, I was able to write a basic application in Python within three evenings. The applications sends the current coordinates and some text to my server, where a KML file is created which can be downloaded by my friends. At the airport, I bought a cheap Taiwan SIM card and I started to transmit my position via GPRS (which also worked out-of-the-box). Furthermore, the timezone changed automagically based on GSM (my old Sony Ericsson wasn't able to do so). I had a lot of fun during the last weeks tracking my travel. Of course, I had some problems but I could solve all of them more or less. E.g. the SHR alarm application doesn't worked. So I did the alarm the bash way: sleep 28800 aplay alarm.wav :-) With this solution, the phone couldn't suspend. Luckily, the wall charger has Taiwan connections below the European adaptor :-) Furthermore, I was that adventurous to make an opkg upgrade during the travel :-) Thereafter, I couldn't suspend after I started GPRS. Annoying, but not a serious problem. I love my FR Sven P.S.: Now I start to fill some bug reports :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
hi,
Christian Gagneraud schrieb:
Christian Gagneraud wrote:
Hi all,
I'm using cellhunter since few month, with which i have gathered some
data (1646 cells so far here in Ireland) and uploaded to their server.
I would like to give a try with OpenBmap, is there a way to convert
data from CH to OBM and upload them to OBM server?
I know that OBM log more details than CH but i guess that CH's data
are still usable by OBM.
Generally speaking, what people think about these two project? And of
course the 2 billion euros/dollars question: Which one is the best?
Does the 2 projects collaborate, if not are there any plan to do so?
I did a comparison of what's get logged/store by CH, OBM and OCI
logger/database:
Cell data:
==
OBM CH OCI
timex x x
providerx
mmc x x x
mnc x x x
lac x x x
id x x x
signal (1) x x
arfcn x
type (2)x (3)
ta x (3)
c1 x (4)
c2 x (4)
serving x x
GPS data:
=
OBM CH OCI
timex
lat x x x
longx x x
alt x x
heading x
speed x
hdopx
vdopx
pdopx
Cellhunter does save the gps time.
greetings, Sebastian
Meta data:
==
OBM CH OCI
hwmanuf x
hwidx x
hwver x
swidx x (5)
swver x x (5)
login/pass/key x x x
(1) OBM: signal strength in dBM and rxlevel in % (?), CH: signal
strength according to GSM specs
(2) Network type: GSM, UMTS, HSDPA, ...
(3) OBM: only with serving cells
(4) OBM: only with non-serving cells
(5) Via HTTP agent when uploading
So finally, OCI logs basic information, CH a bit more, and OBM a lot
more.
Here is the compatibility matrix between the loggers and the servers
(database):
SERVER
OCICHOBM
L G OCI x
O E CH x x
G R OBM xx
Both CH and OBM loggers can be used to populate OCI database.
For CH logger to be compatible with OBM database, there's lot of data
that need to be added to the CH logger.
For OBM logger to be compatible with CH database, there's very few
data that need to be added to the OBM logger:
- provider: the network operator, as reported by fso.GSM.Network.g
getStatus() or Status() signal
- arfcn: current channel number, as reported by
fso.GSM.Monitor.Get{Serving,Neighbour}CellInformation()
And only one data is expressed in a different unit:
- signal strength: OBM use dBm and CH use a scale as per %EM AT command
So finally, it would be ideal to enhance slightly the OBM logger, this
way it will be universal in regards to the 3 databases. And this will
give the user the complete freedom to upload his data to whatever
database he wants (for example i would like to upload data to CH
server for the fun and still contribute to OBM because i'm convinced
of the higher quality of their data).
Some personal remarks (a bit OT):
- I was really surprised to see that CH logger use AT commands
directly (via fso.GSM.Debug), whereas OBM logger use plainly the FSO
interface.
- It's a pity that CH use signal strength in GSM scale, FSO use
percent and OBM dBm. There's lot of wasted CPU (and battery) around...
Chris
PS: I don't pretend that this analysis is accurate nor mistake-free,
so please correct me if i'm wrong somewhere.
Chris.
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Re: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support
On Sunday 07 June 2009 10:50:48 am Yorick Moko wrote: I find intone by far the best music app (low cpu usage); but I can't find a way to route the audio through Currently I use mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth /mp3/ I would love it if this would be possible with intone. Does anybody know a way, or is there some work begin done? btw: some info from joerg: general rule: no audio app shall have a hardcoded audio device. A setup option is mandatory the only valid botch would be to have a unique dedicated device like e.g. 'alsa-intone', then set up .asound to associate a physical device to this symbolic name nevertheless a lot of audio apps are borked and use a hardcoded 'default' device. This is absolutely deprecated I don't know if work on this is being done on this but if you don't get a reply on this list then I would suggest leaving a comment on opkg.org, http://www.opkg.org/package_190.html, and suggest it there I'm sure it can be done with intone. -- We must plan for freedom, and not only for security, if for no other reason than only freedom can make security more secure. Karl Popper signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Help requested: SHR Screenshots
Hi If this help there are some video , you can screenshot at : http://rzr.online.fr/x/blip.tv/file/2198765 -- Related Obsession : http://rzr.online.fr/q/esd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support
Hi, Yorick Moko wrote: Currently I use mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth /mp3/ I would love it if this would be possible with intone. Well, I'm running mplayer from intone without any audio output driver. I did think of having an option for bluetooth - but was not clear if I would then have to set up the device too (pairing etc). Hence, the current status. What would be the best way to do this? I could pick up the audio output driver from a configuration file. Or does anyone have any other ideas? Especially, if users need to switch from the FR speaker / headphone to bluetooth device and vice versa - is intone expected to handle this? Yorick Moko wrote: general rule: no audio app shall have a hardcoded audio device. A setup option is mandatory the only valid botch would be to have a unique dedicated device like e.g. 'alsa-intone', then set up .asound to associate a physical device to this symbolic name I'm note very clear on this. Can someone throw some light on how to do this? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/intone-a2dp-%28bluetooth%29-support-tp3038819p3039249.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support
Hi, BTW, I prefer this list because okpg.org doesn't always send me a message on a new post. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/intone-a2dp-%28bluetooth%29-support-tp3038819p3039260.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support
Hi Yorick, Yorick Moko wrote: I find intone by far the best music app (low cpu usage); but I can't find a way to route the audio through Currently I use mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth /mp3/ I would love it if this would be possible with intone. Does anybody know a way, or is there some work begin done? I'm using intone with a2dp, all you need to do is edit ~/.mplayer/config and add the line: ao=alsa:device=bluetooth Cheers, Mike. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
Steve Mosher a écrit : see inlined. Jeremy McNaughton wrote: (...) Organizing an Openmoko Foundation is something I'd really like to help with. Up till now I've not really had the skills to contribute any sort of code. The other activities open to me thus far (like bug testing and documentation), well unfortunately haven't gotten me involved in anything more than a casual basis (though I have learned tonnes from my months of lurking). I'll let Sean know personally. We've discussed it. Haralde also has high regard for the idea. good news :-) Like jeremy I'm not enough skilled to contribute in code and I'm probably less skilled than him in management. But I want to help as much as I can. There's 2 solutions for a foundation : 1 - create a brand new Openmoko foundation 2 - join an a foundation that already exists an create a sub-group The solution 2 is easier to start (and can be moved in solution 1 later). We can ask to : - Linux International (see this mail from maddog : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/049177.html) - Mozilla (they planned to build a mozilla phone : http://mozphone.com/about/) - LiMo ? (www.limofoundation.org) - other ? My 2 cents Swap38 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
+1 to LI +1/2 to Mozilla -2 to LiMo 2009/6/7 swap38 swa...@openmoko-fr.org: Steve Mosher a écrit : see inlined. Jeremy McNaughton wrote: (...) Organizing an Openmoko Foundation is something I'd really like to help with. Up till now I've not really had the skills to contribute any sort of code. The other activities open to me thus far (like bug testing and documentation), well unfortunately haven't gotten me involved in anything more than a casual basis (though I have learned tonnes from my months of lurking). I'll let Sean know personally. We've discussed it. Haralde also has high regard for the idea. good news :-) Like jeremy I'm not enough skilled to contribute in code and I'm probably less skilled than him in management. But I want to help as much as I can. There's 2 solutions for a foundation : 1 - create a brand new Openmoko foundation 2 - join an a foundation that already exists an create a sub-group The solution 2 is easier to start (and can be moved in solution 1 later). We can ask to : - Linux International (see this mail from maddog : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/049177.html) - Mozilla (they planned to build a mozilla phone : http://mozphone.com/about/) - LiMo ? (www.limofoundation.org) - other ? My 2 cents Swap38 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support
see below On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 7:22 PM, c_ccchan...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Yorick Moko wrote: Currently I use mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth /mp3/ I would love it if this would be possible with intone. Well, I'm running mplayer from intone without any audio output driver. I did think of having an option for bluetooth - but was not clear if I would then have to set up the device too (pairing etc). Hence, the current status. What would be the best way to do this? I could pick up the audio output driver from a configuration file. Or does anyone have any other ideas? Especially, if users need to switch from the FR speaker / headphone to bluetooth device and vice versa - is intone expected to handle this? I don't know.. but I do know it would be VERY convenient for me (and probably everyone who likes to listen to music with BT) I will test the solution of Michael Sheldon, but this is not a real solution, it should be configurable, everbody wants to use the speakers or headphones now and then a button in intone would be very useful Yorick Moko wrote: general rule: no audio app shall have a hardcoded audio device. A setup option is mandatory the only valid botch would be to have a unique dedicated device like e.g. 'alsa-intone', then set up .asound to associate a physical device to this symbolic name I'm note very clear on this. Can someone throw some light on how to do this? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/intone-a2dp-%28bluetooth%29-support-tp3038819p3039249.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
virtualisation of android OKL4
this might interest some of you (afaik okl4 is supported by arm4) http://www.ok-labs.com/releases/release/ok-labs-accelerates-smartphone-deployments-with-okandroid ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: request for audiotagging
Risto H. Kurppa wrote: OSM yes, Openmoko Yes. There's some kind of mapping GUI at http://tui.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tui/tui/mokomapper.py?view=markup It shows buttons that you can press to add tags in .osm format: speed limits etc. I haven't had a close look at it, it was suggested to me here: http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/my-openmoko-wishlist/#comments (read the comments by pavel) I think it could be extended/completed to be a usable tool, even wehn biking. It doesn't understand the road names etc but is a handy tool to add POI's etc. Someone with .py skill please have a look at it. If one would use this mokomapper with audio recorder, it'd be a powerful combination: the most simple tags you'd get by clicking FR and then read the street names. So far I've been just recording the track with tangogps and taking photos and then sync gps and EXIF times. regarding JOSM, I wouldn't use it on FR: I want a big screen to be able to do precisely what I want, to analyze the saved audio/gps/POI data.. (and I son't know what's the status of Java on OM..) Please don't let this thread die before we have a good solution! r Found a separate dictaphone or a photo camera to be useful with Freerunneers's GPX tracks and JOSM. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
how dangerous Freerunner could be?
Hello list koolu.com wrongly sent North American variant of devices to our European country in a pack. So what we got now is that devices operate only on 1800MHz frequency. That's twice bigger than 900MHz. How dangerous could it be? I always carry the device near my heart because it is needed to for GPS to receive an accurate position. How could GSM module be shut down truly? We all know it sends control-signals even if turned off. Thank you. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support
I've been using the configfile hack for a while too now, and I don't like having to do that, but it works. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: how dangerous Freerunner could be?
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 20:37, ivvmmunachieva...@gmail.com wrote: koolu.com wrongly sent North American variant of devices to our European country in a pack. So what we got now is that devices operate only on 1800MHz frequency. That's twice bigger than 900MHz. This is a joke, right? In Europe GSM frequencies are 900 and 1800MHz, in USA 850 and 1900 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_ranges#GSM_frequency_usage_in_Europe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_ranges#GSM_frequency_usage_in_the_Americas The freerunner (GTA02) has 2 versions working in three frequencies: USA: 850/1800/1900MHz Europe: 900/1800/1900MHz How dangerous could it be? I always carry the device near my heart because it is needed to for GPS to receive an accurate position. The only dangerous thing is that if you are out of 1800MHz coverage you won't be able to get the 900MHz frequency. How could GSM module be shut down truly? We all know it sends control-signals even if turned off. Sacrificing a chicken helps. -- Ignacio Torres Masdeu http://ignacio.torresmasdeu.name/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: how dangerous Freerunner could be?
Ignacio Torres Masdeu wrote: On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 20:37, ivvmmunachieva...@gmail.com wrote: koolu.com wrongly sent North American variant of devices to our European country in a pack. So what we got now is that devices operate only on 1800MHz frequency. That's twice bigger than 900MHz. This is a joke, right? In Europe GSM frequencies are 900 and 1800MHz, in USA 850 and 1900 Sorry. Wrongly typed that. It is written GSM: 850/1800/1900 under the battery of my Frerunner. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Where to purchase a new screen?
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Nick Van Fossenstix...@hotmail.com wrote: I need to get a new screen for my Freerunner. Anyone know where to purchase one? I tried contacting a few of the local distributors here in North America, but after a week I haven't even received an e-mail reply. Pulster has a screen repair service: http://www.pulster.de/engl/index.html?openmoko.htm Maybe they can also just send you the new screen. Jeroen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Power dongle
Hey, I don't know if something like this exists, but I'm wondering if anyone's seen one. Does anyone know of a little dongle that can store power to run the FR for like 15 seconds or something? That would be really useful for hotswapping the battery, since it's impossible to do that when I don't have my laptop nearby. -- Thanks, The Digital Pioneer -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power dongle
It just needs to provide the same power my laptop does via USB for a few seconds. Such a thing would not be hard to make, I'm sure. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power dongle
Yeah, I'd kinda prefer one that's nigh unto infinitesimal and only lasts a few seconds, but I'll search for emergency phone chargers. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power dongle
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 9:44 PM, The Digital Pioneerdigitalpion...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, I don't know if something like this exists, but I'm wondering if anyone's seen one. Does anyone know of a little dongle that can store power to run the FR for like 15 seconds or something? http://www.ladyada.net/make/mintyboost/index.html Best regards, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power dongle
Yeah, I'd kinda prefer one that's nigh unto infinitesimal and only lasts a few seconds, but I'll search for emergency phone chargers. afair, gsm still depends on battery and goes down the moment the battery is down (or wawy, in your case) -- and after hotswapping it seems not always to come back, according to a few reports. but it would be a nice addtion to the gta03-core design to include some kind of emergency battery for that very purpose. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power dongle
Yeah, I'd like to see that for GTA03. In the meantime, I just turn off GSM before swapping batts. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power dongle
Am Sonntag, 7. Juni 2009 22:04:52 schrieb arne anka: Yeah, I'd kinda prefer one that's nigh unto infinitesimal and only lasts a few seconds, but I'll search for emergency phone chargers. afair, gsm still depends on battery and goes down the moment the battery is down (or wawy, in your case) -- and after hotswapping it seems not always to come back, according to a few reports. but it would be a nice addtion to the gta03-core design to include some kind of emergency battery for that very purpose. ... or connect gsm power lines to some more flexible source? (Said not having seen the pcb or schematics once except blurry images) -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power dongle
That would be nice, but I don't even have a soldering iron. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
New list: gta02-core
[ Cross-posted to the community list, since there's been a lot of discussion about future projects as well. ] A few people have voiced discomfort with the gta02-core project dominating the gta03 list, and I have to admit that having us squat there was more an act of opportunity than a good choice. So please welcome the brand-new list dedicated solely to the gta02-core project: https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/gta02-core The gta02-core project aims to create and test an open prototype development process for phones using the design of the Openmoko GTA02 FreeRunner. This will not be the next big open phone, but it should provide a basis for making the hardware of one, using a development process that is as open as we've come to expect from Free Software. Please send new postings related to gta02-core only to the new list, and copy replies to gta02-core-related postings on other list to both lists, until the current threads all have moved. Thanks, - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: how dangerous Freerunner could be?
ivvmm, frequency(in in the range we are talking about) is not the harming factor is power (Watts) and in both frequencies the power will be the same so as mentioned avobe the only harm you can recieve from a US version is rare case of lack of coverage in some rural zones of Europe. LOL for the chicken sacrifice, a BBQ always helps! 2009/6/7 Lowell Higley higle...@gmail.com: On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 9:30 PM, ivvmm unachieva...@gmail.com wrote: Ignacio Torres Masdeu wrote: On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 20:37, ivvmmunachieva...@gmail.com wrote: koolu.com wrongly sent North American variant of devices to our European country in a pack. So what we got now is that devices operate only on 1800MHz frequency. That's twice bigger than 900MHz. This is a joke, right? In Europe GSM frequencies are 900 and 1800MHz, in USA 850 and 1900 Sorry. Wrongly typed that. It is written GSM: 850/1800/1900 under the battery of my Frerunner. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I live in Europe (but from the US) and use the US variant of the phone... I have absolutely no issues related to the frequency. It works like a champ. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
Swap. Thanks. There are many options available to OM. I'm sure they all be considered Steve swap38 wrote: Steve Mosher a écrit : see inlined. Jeremy McNaughton wrote: (...) Organizing an Openmoko Foundation is something I'd really like to help with. Up till now I've not really had the skills to contribute any sort of code. The other activities open to me thus far (like bug testing and documentation), well unfortunately haven't gotten me involved in anything more than a casual basis (though I have learned tonnes from my months of lurking). I'll let Sean know personally. We've discussed it. Haralde also has high regard for the idea. good news :-) Like jeremy I'm not enough skilled to contribute in code and I'm probably less skilled than him in management. But I want to help as much as I can. There's 2 solutions for a foundation : 1 - create a brand new Openmoko foundation 2 - join an a foundation that already exists an create a sub-group The solution 2 is easier to start (and can be moved in solution 1 later). We can ask to : - Linux International (see this mail from maddog : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/049177.html) - Mozilla (they planned to build a mozilla phone : http://mozphone.com/about/) - LiMo ? (www.limofoundation.org) - other ? My 2 cents Swap38 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 4
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 5:02 AM, Warren Bairdwjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Hmm. In this thread: http://n2.nabble.com/Buzz-fix-difficulty--was-Re%3A-US-Buzz-GPS-Fix--tp2679871p2733711.html Joerg states that the -a7 version is the only 'real' state file. I also tried http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.new and found I got a lot more static that with the -a7 file... *shrug* and here Joerg states being wrong: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2121#comment:3 (and AFAIK they're now working on removing the -a7 since - it's wrong :) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stress test of my Freerunner
Great, this is encouraging! Please share your blogging script, I'm sure there are people interested in it! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
I've noticed that I cannot load any https websites with the browser.. issues with SSL libraries? Russ 2009/6/7 Ori Pessach opess...@gmail.com I'll have to give this a try the next time I'm near an AP. Mine is 7000 miles away. It has decent range, but nothing approaching 7000 miles. The kernel is 2.6.24. --Ori Pessach On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be wrote: On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 09:11:47 -0600 Ori Pessach opess...@gmail.com wrote: Well, WiFi certainly doesn't work for me. As I said, I tried two different APs so far. One of them didn't connect at all (that's my home AP, using WPA2.) The other, an open network, wouldn't set the DNS server. if you use encrypted wifi, make sure you have the needed modules for your kernel, that's beyond qtopia itself. Any pointers on how to start debugging this? At first, make sure you have the following file present on your phone (it should be automatically generated): /home/root/Settings/Network/wireless/eth0 The content of that file should contain something like this for an open network: WIRELESS_MODE='Managed' WIRELESS_ESSID=my_network_SID_name WIRELESS_AP= WIRELESS_BITRATE='auto' WIRELESS_CHANNEL='' WIRELESS_KEY_LENGTH='128' WIRELESS_AUTH_MODE=NONE WIRELESS_WEP_PHRASE= WIRELESS_KEY_0= WIRELESS_KEY_1= WIRELESS_KEY_2= WIRELESS_KEY_3= Also the file /home/root/Settings/Network/eth0 should exist with the content MODE=dhcp The script that initializes the wireless is at /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/bin/lan-network and creates a log in /tmp/qtopia-network.log. By default the usb0 interface on the phone gets disabled when you connect the wireless, but if you comment out the line ifdown usb0 in the lan-network script, you can stay connected to your phone via pc-usb while trying to connect to the wireless. When doing this, you can see if the dhcp client runs or not ... Also very important: what kernel are you using? At one point, GPS was working (with an older release of QTopia from Trolltech.) What's the thinking on that? I've never gotten gps to work, no matter which distro I tried, so for now, I accept this. Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stress test of my Freerunner!
Great post, good vibrations! Thanks for sharing... and keep the bug reports coming! Cheers, :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: how dangerous Freerunner could be?
Hello, koolu.com wrongly sent North American variant of devices to our European country in a pack. I contacted Elaine Turner in our sales department about this, and she told me that the only issue she had ever known about was a person who ordered the units to be delivered to the United States as 850/1800/1900 phones, and then had the units shipped to Europe. When they contacted us to complain that they were not 900/1800/1900, she showed them the order form where they had specified 850/1800/1900. If this is not the case with your order, and if Koolu made a mistake with the order, please send email to sa...@koolu.com and I am sure that Elaine will straighten it out. Otherwise you should have said I wrongly ordered the North American variant... Warmest regards, maddog ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to get started with Openmoko phone?
Thank you, Robin and Damian! I know how it works now. Another question: Shall I be able to keep my cell phone number? Thanks again for your time! On Saturday 06 June 2009 22:39:11 Damian Spriggs wrote: 1) Is there any particular kind of wireless carrier (in US) I need to subscribe to? Any that use a SIM card. So ATT or T-Mobile. (I use ATT just fine) 2) Do I need to tell the carrier that I shall be using a linux-based phone? Nope. It's a good idea not to tell them. There is nothing that they need to do other than give you service. 3) Can I use Nextel or ATT and T-mobile are my only national carrier options? Not 100% sure, but I don't think Nextel phones use SIMs. I may be wrong though. 4) How do I get a SIM card for the phone? When you sign up for service, they will give you one, usually in a free phone. All you need to do is pull the SIM out of the phone and install it in the Freerunner 5) Can I text (SMS) -- I intend on using Qtopia at the beginning? Yep, Texting works on all major distros 6) Can I sync addresses etc with my desktop? I haven't done it personally, but I've seen maillist threads describing the process. I have been using Sprint (CDMA) -- so I am quite unfamiliar with the GSM world (and a phone that does not come with the service) -- I would appreciate any (obvious) tips on how to get from buying the FreeRunner to making and receiving calls and text messages. Your best bet would be a good, thorough read through of the wiki[1]. There is a plethora of introductory information. If you still have questions, try the friendly maillists or IRC channels. Hope this helps. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org --- Damian A. Spriggs ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to get started with Openmoko phone?
Yep, you'll have no problem keeping your phone number. When you sign up with a new provider, they'll transfer it for you. -- Damian On Jun 7, 2009, at 7:18 PM, Mike wrote: Thank you, Robin and Damian! I know how it works now. Another question: Shall I be able to keep my cell phone number? Thanks again for your time! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support
Hi, The Digital Pioneer wrote: I've been using the configfile hack for a while too now, and I don't like having to do that, but it works. Guys, I need a little help here. I could modify the config file from intone itself and restart mplayer - but I don't think that's the best way to do it. Can someone with more knowledge about alsa linux system point me to the recommended way of doing something like this? Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/intone-a2dp-%28bluetooth%29-support-tp3038819p3040845.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to get started with Openmoko phone?
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Damian Spriggs damianspri...@mac.comwrote: 1) Is there any particular kind of wireless carrier (in US) I need to subscribe to? Any that use a SIM card. So ATT or T-Mobile. (I use ATT just fine) Slightly off. It also needs to be a GSM network. Right now, that's only ATT T-Mobile for the US. 2) Do I need to tell the carrier that I shall be using a linux-based phone? Nope. It's a good idea not to tell them. There is nothing that they need to do other than give you service. Neither ATT nor T-Mobile care. You can ask them for just the SIM card. I did. 3) Can I use Nextel or ATT and T-mobile are my only national carrier options? Not 100% sure, but I don't think Nextel phones use SIMs. I may be wrong though. Yes they do, but they don't do GSM. 4) How do I get a SIM card for the phone? When you sign up for service, they will give you one, usually in a free phone. All you need to do is pull the SIM out of the phone and install it in the Freerunner No, just ask for a SIM card. It's actually cheaper. 5) Can I text (SMS) -- I intend on using Qtopia at the beginning? Yep, Texting works on all major distros 6) Can I sync addresses etc with my desktop? I haven't done it personally, but I've seen maillist threads describing the process. I have been using Sprint (CDMA) -- so I am quite unfamiliar with the GSM world (and a phone that does not come with the service) -- I would appreciate any (obvious) tips on how to get from buying the FreeRunner to making and receiving calls and text messages. Your best bet would be a good, thorough read through of the wiki[1]. There is a plethora of introductory information. If you still have questions, try the friendly maillists or IRC channels. Hope this helps. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org --- Damian A. Spriggs ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sigs are boring, except this one... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
I just tried out this version. I'm still having issues with GPRS. I'd like to be able to fix the issue myself if I could, or at least point out a possible fix. I know it can work because it does under SHR-Unstable. Where should I be looking for this? Where is all the GPRS code located? Where are the scripts? Rene On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.bewrote: (install instructions and script updated on 2090601: see below) It's been a while, but we haven't been sleeping :-) New website: We have a new website now, thanks to Fale: http://www.qtmoko.org There you can find all the latest changes, report bugs, etc ... IRC channel: For those wanting to talk: on irc.freenode.net, channel #qtopia is open for business. Things solved/added/changed: See http://www.qtmoko.org/wiki/Change_log See http://github.com/liedekef/qtmoko/commits/master for the changelog in detail Problems found (more like small nuisances now): === See http://www.qtmoko.org - if you set the time back to something in the past, the clock service crashes and you need to restart qtextended if you want to use the clock again - bluetooth is not working totally ok, only after initial boot it works, not after suspend/resume. Seems to be kernel/bluez3 version combo issue ... After suspend/resume bluetooth seems to work, but receiving files for sure doesn't. - if you try to delete the Wireless Lan, the system crashes ... cool huh, a crashed phone? So for now: don't do it :-) - slow building up of the Contacts, because of all the sql queries for a*, b*, c*, ... Install instructions: = download the script http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/qtmoko_install.sh , read the comments at the top and then execute the script on your openmoko (after having flashed the device and made sure internet works). The script has 2 options: install or update. An update will just download the tgz file and replace your current qtmoko with it. For those who just want to replace their existing qtmoko manually, here's the link: http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/qte_20090601.tgz . Enjoy! Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sigs are boring, except this one... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to get started with Openmoko phone?
Thanks, Rene -- I just ordered the freerunner -- very exciting! Mike. On Sunday 07 June 2009 19:27:46 Rene Horn wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Damian Spriggs damianspri...@mac.comwrote: 1) Is there any particular kind of wireless carrier (in US) I need to subscribe to? Any that use a SIM card. So ATT or T-Mobile. (I use ATT just fine) Slightly off. It also needs to be a GSM network. Right now, that's only ATT T-Mobile for the US. 2) Do I need to tell the carrier that I shall be using a linux-based phone? Nope. It's a good idea not to tell them. There is nothing that they need to do other than give you service. Neither ATT nor T-Mobile care. You can ask them for just the SIM card. I did. 3) Can I use Nextel or ATT and T-mobile are my only national carrier options? Not 100% sure, but I don't think Nextel phones use SIMs. I may be wrong though. Yes they do, but they don't do GSM. 4) How do I get a SIM card for the phone? When you sign up for service, they will give you one, usually in a free phone. All you need to do is pull the SIM out of the phone and install it in the Freerunner No, just ask for a SIM card. It's actually cheaper. 5) Can I text (SMS) -- I intend on using Qtopia at the beginning? Yep, Texting works on all major distros 6) Can I sync addresses etc with my desktop? I haven't done it personally, but I've seen maillist threads describing the process. I have been using Sprint (CDMA) -- so I am quite unfamiliar with the GSM world (and a phone that does not come with the service) -- I would appreciate any (obvious) tips on how to get from buying the FreeRunner to making and receiving calls and text messages. Your best bet would be a good, thorough read through of the wiki[1]. There is a plethora of introductory information. If you still have questions, try the friendly maillists or IRC channels. Hope this helps. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org --- Damian A. Spriggs ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support
Can someone with more knowledge about alsa linux system point me to the recommended way of doing something like this? Thanks. AFAIK, the only way to do it is to run mplayer with -ao alsa:device=bluetooth -- Thanks, The Digital Pioneer -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support
Hi, The Digital Pioneer wrote: AFAIK, the only way to do it is to run mplayer with -ao alsa:device=bluetooth Ok. But what would be the best of doing so from intone :- 1. I stop the current process from Intone 2. Start new process with the -ao flag Or I can have 2 configurations in a file (normal / bluetooth) - I think .asoundrc and change output from intone somehow using that. I'm not all that clued up on alsa - so can someone with more knowledge than I throw some light? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/intone-a2dp-%28bluetooth%29-support-tp3038819p3040934.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support
I think your best bet is to respawn mplayer with the flag. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 01:11:47 am Ori Pessach wrote: At one point, GPS was working (with an older release of QTopia from Trolltech.) I can confirm that GPS worked on Qtopia and QtE for me, haven't tried it under QtMoko yet. -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fundamental Qi question
On 6/06/2009 6:26 PM, arne anka wrote: stop answering to me at all! From one dolt to another, stop trying to convert threads with your own agenda and answer the original frakkin question, or ask your own ... or stay silent and this won't happen. You have some worthwhile input when you stay in context, I know you're not as dumb as you appear at this moment, I wouldn't have had a go at your otherwise. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linux International and Openmoko
Thank you Dr. Schaller, Your suggestions, both about the business of Openmoko, and the paths forward for the company have been an inspiration to me. Not to mention your dogged determination in helping us get the buzz fix out to the community. Had we not taken your suggestions and adopted your program our community would still be buzzed! Thanks also for helping our partners in North America bring your program to that continent. Steve Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: I am very happy that my ideas that I had expressed and discussed beginning of April (and even non-public in March) http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/gta03/2009-April/06.html have inspired many people: Steve who pushed for a GTA03 mailing list and opening the design process, Werner who now runs the GTA02-core project and now thank you Jon for proposals to give the community a new home! IMHO, the community is now again going in the right (future oriented) direction and I am happy to see that. Nikolaus http://www.handheld-linux.com by Golden Delicious Computers Am 06.06.2009 um 18:42 schrieb Jon 'maddog' Hall: Hello, I understand that there has been a discussion on this list about having a foundation that would represent the community of Openmoko. Fifteen years ago Linux International was created to provide services for the Linux community. It was started as a vendor organization, at a time when there were not many vendors interested in Linux. We handled a lot of legal and business issues for Linux: o Protected the Linux Trademark from people that would kidnap it for various reasons o Helped to start two certification organizations (we funded some of the original testing work for LPI certification) o Helped to start the Linux Standard Base project, which became the Free Standards Group o Helped to form what became Linuxworld o Helped many local user groups start local events, most notably the Atlanta LinuxFest and the Ohio LinuxFest We tended to split off the groups we formed, afraid that one vendor organization would provide too much power in a centralized organization. For various reasons as larger companies started to show interest in Linux, our membership went to form OSDL, which now is the Linux Foundation. Linux International as an organization has been dormant for about five years. I have still been spreading the word about Free Software at conferences, through magazine articles and media interviews. Recently I came up with the idea of reforming Linux International into an end user organization, with the concept that no company could join as a member, nor sit on the board of directors as a member. Only individual end users could hold membership, vote, etc. Of course almost everybody is an end user of some type of software, so the membership would be quite open. I have been working to change the charter of LI to reflect this. Recently I started another project, not a phone, but otherwise similar in its needs to Openmoko. This other project will have a community, be completely open, and needs an umbrella organization to help with legal work, etc. I intend on forming a sub-group of LI for this project. I could offer the same to Openmoko, to be a sub-group of LI. Linux International is already a legal entity. We are a not-for-profit in the state of New Hampshire, U.S.A. There are reasons why LI is a not-for-profit instead of a non-profit (501c3 or 501c6) which have to do with ease of applying revenues, etc. Nothing stops LI from becoming a 501c6 (501c3 is very restrictive), and nothing would stop the sub-group of Openmoko from becoming a non-profit, if that is desired. Likewise the plans for LI are to have country chapters, with separate boards for each country chapter. This was planned way before the current issue with Openmoko, but you could take advantage of the planned structure if you wish. LI would solicit sponsorships to help fund its work which could come from companies, but again the voting membership would be from individuals only. The things that LI does would be Open to all. We do plan on having some things we charge for, to cover costs. If the Openmoko community is interested in pursuing this, I would be happy to discuss LI's plans further with you, and how Openmoko could fit into this. Warmest regards, Jon maddog Hall -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: mad...@li.org 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. Cell: +1.603.943. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized
Re: How to get started with Openmoko phone?
it is exciting, but for a bit you will be very confused. i know i was. next step for you if you dont already have it is setup a machine with linux. that is a 100% must have. make sure you get a beefy mini sd card too! On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Mike mike...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Rene -- I just ordered the freerunner -- very exciting! Mike. On Sunday 07 June 2009 19:27:46 Rene Horn wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Damian Spriggs damianspri...@mac.comwrote: 1) Is there any particular kind of wireless carrier (in US) I need to subscribe to? Any that use a SIM card. So ATT or T-Mobile. (I use ATT just fine) Slightly off. It also needs to be a GSM network. Right now, that's only ATT T-Mobile for the US. 2) Do I need to tell the carrier that I shall be using a linux-based phone? Nope. It's a good idea not to tell them. There is nothing that they need to do other than give you service. Neither ATT nor T-Mobile care. You can ask them for just the SIM card. I did. 3) Can I use Nextel or ATT and T-mobile are my only national carrier options? Not 100% sure, but I don't think Nextel phones use SIMs. I may be wrong though. Yes they do, but they don't do GSM. 4) How do I get a SIM card for the phone? When you sign up for service, they will give you one, usually in a free phone. All you need to do is pull the SIM out of the phone and install it in the Freerunner No, just ask for a SIM card. It's actually cheaper. 5) Can I text (SMS) -- I intend on using Qtopia at the beginning? Yep, Texting works on all major distros 6) Can I sync addresses etc with my desktop? I haven't done it personally, but I've seen maillist threads describing the process. I have been using Sprint (CDMA) -- so I am quite unfamiliar with the GSM world (and a phone that does not come with the service) -- I would appreciate any (obvious) tips on how to get from buying the FreeRunner to making and receiving calls and text messages. Your best bet would be a good, thorough read through of the wiki[1]. There is a plethora of introductory information. If you still have questions, try the friendly maillists or IRC channels. Hope this helps. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org --- Damian A. Spriggs ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: how dangerous Freerunner could be?
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 10:49 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: ivvmm, frequency(in in the range we are talking about) is not the harming factor is power (Watts) and in both frequencies the power will be the same so as mentioned avobe the only harm you can recieve from a US version is rare case of lack of coverage in some rural zones of Europe. I live in Kosovo... I don't know how you can get more rural than that. lol. LOL for the chicken sacrifice, a BBQ always helps! 2009/6/7 Lowell Higley higle...@gmail.com: On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 9:30 PM, ivvmm unachieva...@gmail.com wrote: Ignacio Torres Masdeu wrote: On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 20:37, ivvmmunachieva...@gmail.com wrote: koolu.com wrongly sent North American variant of devices to our European country in a pack. So what we got now is that devices operate only on 1800MHz frequency. That's twice bigger than 900MHz. This is a joke, right? In Europe GSM frequencies are 900 and 1800MHz, in USA 850 and 1900 Sorry. Wrongly typed that. It is written GSM: 850/1800/1900 under the battery of my Frerunner. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I live in Europe (but from the US) and use the US variant of the phone... I have absolutely no issues related to the frequency. It works like a champ. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Radek Polakpson...@seznam.cz wrote: If you download avi from PC via the sharing option, then PC must have installed mencoder. The first attempt to download avi starts mencoder and next attempt after encoding is done downloads the avi. Not sure this happened in my case. On phone you need glamo version of mplayer - this should be handled by installation scripts. If not then just delete /usr/bin/mplayer and qmplayer will download and install correct mplayer from my homepage when you attempt to play something. Yes the script automatically downloaded and installed the mplayer. Anyway, i don't have access to my phone right now, i'll go home and test this and let you guys know. -- Regards Shashank As our circle of knowledge expands, so does the circumference of darkness surrounding it - Albert Einstein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: how dangerous Freerunner could be?
I contacted Elaine Turner in our sales department about this, and she told me that the only issue she had ever known about was a person who ordered the units to be delivered to the United States as 850/1800/1900 phones, and then had the units shipped to Europe. When they contacted us to complain that they were not 900/1800/1900, she showed them the order form where they had specified 850/1800/1900. If this is not the case with your order, and if Koolu made a mistake with the order, please send email to sa...@koolu.com and I am sure that Elaine will straighten it out. Otherwise you should have said I wrongly ordered the North American variant... Warmest regards, maddog I've suffered from this as well. In fact, when a group purchaseof 45 phones was organized by russian enthusiasts about a year ago, about half of phones arrived have been 850/1800/1900 and not 900/1800/1900 as they should. This was caused by mistake by pregrad.net service we used, not by our side. But due to quite hard import process (it lasted for months), it was next to impossible to recover :(. My Freerunner has GSM working in Moscow, but not 60 km from Moscow. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 1:49 PM, swap38swa...@openmoko-fr.org wrote: good news :-) Like jeremy I'm not enough skilled to contribute in code and I'm probably less skilled than him in management. But I want to help as much as I can. There's 2 solutions for a foundation : 1 - create a brand new Openmoko foundation 2 - join an a foundation that already exists an create a sub-group The solution 2 is easier to start (and can be moved in solution 1 later). We can ask to : - Linux International (see this mail from maddog : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/049177.html) - Mozilla (they planned to build a mozilla phone : http://mozphone.com/about/) - LiMo ? (www.limofoundation.org) - other ? My 2 cents Swap38 These are good suggestions (though I don't know about LiMo, not really a community organization). After thinking about it for a bit, I don't know if we really need to find an umbrella organization right away. It seems that for now Openmoko is still willing to foot the bills for hosting infrastructure and helping out in other small ways. That's basically what an umbrella or incubator would be doing for us anyways. Maybe I'm mistaken, but it doesn't seem like Openmoko Inc. has any sort of urgency to hand the phone over to another incorporated body. If I'm wrong about that then maybe we should take up Jon's offer with Linux International. But if there's no rush, let's take our time to look at all the options. After all, transitions like this one are difficult and resource consuming. We should try to go through as few organizational transformations as possible. There are some other questions that I think we need to talk about for a foundation: Name: Openmoko Inc. has been kind enough to allow the community to use its branding and trademarks. Would that include allowing us to use Openmoko in the name of the foundation? There are obvious advantages to keeping the same branding, but that could become confusing. Steve said Postmoko above. Freerunner Foundation? Or maybe even a name that could include other phones? Scope: What will our mission statement be? Is the foundation just to support the gta02-core project, or will it also supervise/contribute to/support Paroli, OM2009, FSO etc? Does the foundation attempt to finance a future phone, does it work mostly on software, does focus on porting real Linux to all the Android phones that will be on the market? Location: The Openmoko community is international, so where do we want the foundation to be headquartered? It might make the most sense to put the foundation where there are the most members. Different countries have different rules and categories for non-profits, are there places we should avoid or that may be advantageous? Are we safer in a country that does not recognize software patents? As for Jon's offer, maybe an LI sub-group for Openmoko end users could exist in parallel to the foundation. The foundation could still also be open to end users in this scenario. This could work well if the two groups have different mission statements. There are a lot of options to consider. It's important that we choose carefully to ensure a productive future for our community. Before we're ready to start a foundation, there are some things that we can sort out during our incubation period. I've only just started reading the gta02-core list and haven't been on IRC at all yet so I don't know... maybe some of these things are already started on: Decision making process: I think that a clear, accessible process for making decisions is best. We need a balanced process that is fair to those doing the hard work and to end users. We also need to avoid deadlocks and conflicts. Paroli and OM2009: Do these projects need new leaders? Online resources: who will handle admin tasks on the *.openmoko.org? Do we need a team for that? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.22
The new scroll bar is better - although I still think I prefer the drop-down approach. BTW - I've created my packages with some wallpaper images - they are on opkg.com as http://www.opkg.org/package_230.html and http://www.opkg.org/package_231.html (one with 'G' rated images, the other a bit more PG). I install all of the images into /usr/share/wallpapers - maybe you want to make that the default dir for wallpapers? Also, you don't seem to save the directory that the user browses to when picking wallpapers - if you want to try out several different images, it's kinda annoying. Warren On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 12:00 AM, c_c cchan...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Cameron Frazier wrote: in c (derived from [1], look at the bottom): elm_scroller_bounce_set(self.obj, h_bounce, v_bounce) Thanks. That helped. I needed to update my elementary libs on the laptop too. So here's the latest version - without the bouncing - and yes it's a lot simpler to use. http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3034171/launcher_0.22_arm.ipk launcher_0.22_arm.ipk -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-Home-Page-%28alpha%29-Release-0.21-tp2969146p3034171.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to get started with Openmoko phone?
No problem, Jeremy -- I have been using Linux on my desktop (Mandrake/Mandriva) for 10 years now. Thanks for the tip about the SD card! I'll read the wiki and ask here what I still can't understand. Thanks! On Sunday 07 June 2009 23:05:09 jeremy jozwik wrote: it is exciting, but for a bit you will be very confused. i know i was. next step for you if you dont already have it is setup a machine with linux. that is a 100% must have. make sure you get a beefy mini sd card too! On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Mike mike...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Rene -- I just ordered the freerunner -- very exciting! Mike. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
