Re: Intone 0.60 Almost Stable ;-)

[Richy]

Cool, thanks! 




On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 06:50, Martin Jansa  
wrote:

I have OE patch for mplayer glamo output rebased to current mplayer from
http://repo.or.cz/w/mplayer/glamo.git?a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/mob
I'll recheck also tremor patch and send it.

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QEMU MokoMakefile updates?

[David Ford]

regarding the wiki page at
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Using_QEMU_with_MokoMakefile, section
Compilation and use, does anyone have updated filenames/urls for the env
file?  the current svn file refers to invalid urls and filenames.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu also appears to be significantly
outdated.

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Re: Intone 0.60 Almost Stable ;-)

[Laszlo KREKACS]

>
> i'm using this [1] version of mplayer. It uses verylow CPU for mp3 and ogg.
>
> [1] 
> http://www.paultt.org/downloads/openmoko/mplayer_dev-SVN-r29155-4.1.2-tremor-low_armv4t.ipk
>

Im surely miss some other packages:-\

mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libXv.so.1: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory


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Any distro with working calls?

[Aleksey "AlekSi" Palazhchenko]

Dear community,

I'm very happy to see developer's activity among us. There are many
versions of bootloaders, kernels and distributions. They allow us to
start a X server and play simple games. They allow us to bring Linux
to our pockets.

But let's not forget that FreeRunner is a smartphone. Every phone
(even not-so-smart) allows user to make and receive a calls -- without
noize, buzz and strong echo, without the mandatory use of headsets. Is
it possible with FreeRunner? Currently I'm only able to make a calls
with headset -- at low-level volume, but at least without echo and
noize. I can't receive them because of strong echo and very loud
volume.

If I'm wrong and there *is* a way to make and receive a calls without
pain, please point me to this wonderful distribution and wiki-page
with step-by-step instructions.

p. s. I'm sorry for this rant in bad English, but I can't wait any longer.

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Re: Intone 0.60 Almost Stable ;-)

[Martin Jansa]

On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 01:47:19AM +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
> On 7/20/09, Richy  wrote:
> > Why isn't a tremor-version included in SHR?
> > I noticed the lags, installed tremor and it is SO much better now^^
> >
> > Please add tremor-mplayer to the repository
> 
> Please send patch and we'll be happy to apply it...

I have OE patch for mplayer glamo output rebased to current mplayer from
http://repo.or.cz/w/mplayer/glamo.git?a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/mob
I'll recheck also tremor patch and send it.

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Re: Intone 0.60 Almost Stable ;-)

[c_c]

Hi,

vendion wrote:
> 
>>1 it doesn't seem to remove songs that are in a format it can't play...
> 
 Actually, intone manages m4a files too. Since mplayer supports many formats
- I've curtailed the list to mp3, m4a, oga, ogg and wma. I can add all other
formats that mplayer supports - just let me know. So - those should play.

vendion wrote:
> 
>>After removing the  m4a files and rescanning the directory they are still
listed
>>in intone. 
> 
  Now that shouldn't happen. Thanks for the report - will check it out.

vendion wrote:
> 
>>2. when going through songs -> artists -> and selecting a single song it 
>>doesn't play but going to all songs and selecting the same song it plays
just fine.
> 
  Yup, that's a bug. Double-clicking it works for now as a temporary
solution. Will fix in soon.
Thanks.
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Re: Do I need a FAT SD card? Do I need OM? Do I need... ? Choices, Choices, Choices...

[Chris Samuel]

On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 02:53:03 am li...@kitepilot.com wrote:

> Can I just ext3 the SD card ?

Be warned, there have been some reports of the journal of ext3 wearing out its 
part of the SD card. I tend to use ext2 instead.

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Re: Mails about Android

[Jeff Sadowski]

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 2:53 PM, arne anka wrote:
>> But as soon as you put Android on it, its a Neo with android on it.
>> Then mails are as deplaced here
>
> no, they won't.
> these lists cover the hardware as well as the software.
> but prefix the subjects of mails android-specific with [android]
>
They will only be misplaced if the issues on the OS you wish to run on
the freerunner have nothing to do with the free runner itself. Example
if you find a hardware glitch that has a work around it may be useful
in all OSs running on the freerunner. It would also be nice to know
specific freerunner related tasks that where don to load OSs in the
first place.

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Re: [debian] eneoset

[Sebastian Krzyszkowiak]

On 7/16/09, Mike Crash  wrote:
>
> May be someone will be interested, I was not satisfied with the setup
> utility
> for Neo written in Python, because it was slow and changing backlight
> brightness was only in 4 steps. So i have created small utility with ELM
> named eneoset, which can change backlight, turn on or off bluetooth and
> Wi-Fi and can change USB device/host mode. Changing USB current limit still
> doesn't work. It needs kernel version 2.6.29 (may be 2.6.28 too, but not
> tested), so don't try it on 2.6.24.
>
> http://www.mikecrash.com/index.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=10 Download
> and screenshots you will find here.

About steps in SHR Settings:
shr-settings Display shr_display.Display

And you're in home :P

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Re: Intone 0.60 Almost Stable ;-)

[Sebastian Krzyszkowiak]

On 7/20/09, Richy  wrote:
> Why isn't a tremor-version included in SHR?
> I noticed the lags, installed tremor and it is SO much better now^^
>
> Please add tremor-mplayer to the repository

Please send patch and we'll be happy to apply it...

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Re: using a FreeRunner without cellular service

[Nicola Mfb]

On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Rask Ingemann
Lambertsen wrote:
[...]
> Then it won't be turned on. Additionally, without a SIM
> card, the GSM modem will refuse to turn on the transmitter and receiver.

Uh! I really missed that! so not emergency call with no sim?

Nicola

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Illume!

[Nicola Mfb]

Hi!
DISCLAIMER: I really appreciate E-developers, and I think E* stuff is
really nice, modern, elegant and powerful, my assumptions were born
after googling, reading mailing list archives, digging a bit in the
Illume code and coding some fr applications. For sure I missed a lot
and I'm not an X11 guru, so I may be wrong in some of all points I'm
going to illustrate!

I noted some things:

*) it does not support some window manager hints (trying to close,
toggle fullscreen etc from an external application e.g wmctrl) does
not work
*) " standard systray (I know this is a very hot and boring topic, and
it will supported when and if the specification will be fixed)
*) " docking windows, so any workaround for running trayers (or any
other dock window) etc. is unuseful
*) the config dialogs often does not fit well on the screen (or at
least out of box)
*) some not so important issues

Many of those have workarounds:

*) to close a fullscreen window, toggle fullscreen, etc you may to
bind aux or power button to some illume actions (for eg. system
control menu), but freerunner has only two keys so I'd like to not
waste them and bind one to an auxiliary application that will show an
utility menu that let you click on "toggle fullscreen, close, kill,
etc." with wm hints
*) to have systrayicon-like you are forced to write some E gadget,
that's nice for new applications and for developers using E stuff, but
not for existing applications or guys using different toolkits

About docking I do not know any workaround (the only one was patching
illume to force a fake virtual keyboard to be always showed, but it's
just an experiment), and IMHO them may be very usefull for some tasks.
Suppose for example a gps app that show a 480x64 permanent dock window
on the bottom of the display with satellites, speed, etc, while you
are able to switch between other applications.

About config menus I do not know if that's only a matter of theming or
some code rewriting.

As it *seems* (note: seems!) that illume development was a bit slowed
down when some e-guys left openmoko, I'd like to have some
clarifications about it's development status/roadmap and about the
process of SHR/OM2009 defacto standard adoption, as this may
influences the meaning of the "stable" upcoming releases and their
flexibility.

Please do not STONITH me I want only to understand better how things
are going in this exciting world and be corrected where I'm wrong :)

Best Regards

Nicola

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Re: OpenMoko on HTC-Dream

[GNUtoo]

On Sun, 2009-07-19 at 22:22 +0200, David Lanzendörfer wrote:
> > WOW!!!
> Thx
> 
> > me and other people were doing the contrary:
> Ok, I always wondered why someone would install some piece of shit like 
> android on any device, especially on such a great device like the FIC 
> NeoFreerunner.
No I wasn't involved in doing it for the freerunner...just for the
G1...the freerunner already has a free android
> > free the android stack of the G1,mainly because we thought that it was
> > easier(and also easier for me because I've no G1,so I thought that if I
> > had to debug early boot failure it would be a lot harder if I've not the
> > phone and without serial
> > port(https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Noisedroid/FAQ have serial
> > working ))
> Freeing android? Look please onto the screen!
> First what you see is the google logo. And before cupcake you weren't able to 
> even use it unless you logged into google with a personal account.
> And without hacking you never ever get something like a root shell.
That's what you have by default when buying the G1...we planned to
remove or replace the following:
*proprietary google applications
*proprietary userland "drivers" like the ril,the libgl,*libgps*,etc..
Personally I higly prefer a standard embedded GNU/Linux,for several
reasons:
*better known,so we are sure that there are no spying features
*a lot of applications...no need to port the source code or rewrit
applications
*may(I'm not sure) be easier to make the gps,and telephony(thanks to
FSO) work
> They can write "Linux phone" as long as they want, as long as I cant do 
> anything with it, its worthless.
> When I wanted to have a phone, on which you cant do anything and which data 
> mines you all the time, I also could buy a WindowsCE-Smartphone or an iPhone.
> 
> > so I've some questions:
> > *does the telephony part work?
> > *does the GPS part work?
> > *does the wifi work?
> No, but Im glad, that I got this f* userspace off of my handy.
> 
> > Denis.
> David
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Re: reliability of resistive touch screens

[Alexander Lehner]

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009, Brolin Empey wrote:

> could make the touch screen work again.  My dad suggested wrapping my
> disassembled Palm Z22 in a plastic bag to protect it from frost and leaving
> it in the freezer.  I tried this:  the touch screen worked again while it
   ^

  :--> I usually did this on harddisks that completely gave up and 
sometimes it helped (also putting them into a stove helped, too!).

Sorry, I cannot give you an answer, but concerning the temperature, I 
noticed last winter while is was out for GPS tracking, that the phone 
stopped working after taking it out from the warm house into the cold 
(screen frozen (not physically!), no functionality after reboot) but I 
never found out what the reason was. It happened only 2 or 3 times and 
finally it worked great again.

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Re: Intone 0.60 Almost Stable ;-)

[Richy]

Why isn't a tremor-version included in SHR?
I noticed the lags, installed tremor and it is SO much better now^^

Please add tremor-mplayer to the repository

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 22:28, Jakob  wrote:

> On 7/19/09, Laszlo KREKACS  wrote:
>
> > Where to get mplayer for om2009.t5?
> >
> > Other dependencies:
> > libsqlite3-0
> >
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv4t/libsqlite3-0_3.6.5-r0_armv4t.ipk
> > libvorbis
> >
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv4t/libvorbis_1.0.1-r2_armv4t.ipk
> >
> > Terminal log:
> > r...@om-gta02:~# intone
> > SQL error: duplicate column name: priority
> > SQL error: duplicate column name: version
> > Simple mixer control 'PCM',0
> >   Capabilities: volume
> >   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
> >   Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
> >   Limits: 0 - 255
> >   Front Left: 204 [80%] [-25.50dB]
> >   Front Right: 204 [80%] [-25.50dB]
> > sh: mplayer: not found
> >
> > And hangs here.
> >
> > Laszlo
>
> hi Laszo,
>
> i'm using this [1] version of mplayer. It uses verylow CPU for mp3 and ogg.
>
> [1]
> http://www.paultt.org/downloads/openmoko/mplayer_dev-SVN-r29155-4.1.2-tremor-low_armv4t.ipk
>
> Jake
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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments - playing Ogg Vorbis files

[Rask Ingemann Lambertsen]

On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:21:24PM +0300, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:

> ivorbisfile_example < foo.ogg | aplay -t raw -c 2 -f S16_BE -r 44100 -B
> 800 -

   FWIW, you can s/-t raw -c 2 -f S16_BE -r 44100/-f cdr/.

> CPU usage should be strictly less than 25%.

   Coolness. I looked around and found it precompiled here:

http://lair.fifthhorseman.net/~dkg/src/tremor/2009-04-24/libvorbisidec-debug-2009-04-24/

And indeed it decodes in realtime at just 100 MHz.

   Btw, I can't get aplay to use a buffer larger than 32768 samples. That
may be a kernel driver bug.

> If you have time please look at 
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515259

   A related issue to take up with the Debian maintainers is the lack of
the 'vorbisidec' element in the gstreamer plugin packages:

$ gst-inspect | grep -F -i -e vorbis
vorbis:  vorbisenc: Vorbis audio encoder
vorbis:  vorbisdec: Vorbis audio decoder
vorbis:  vorbisparse: VorbisParse
vorbis:  vorbistag: VorbisTag
typefindfunctions: audio/x-vorbis: no extensions
rtp:  rtpvorbisdepay: RTP Vorbis depayloader
rtp:  rtpvorbispay: RTP Vorbis depayloader

   Currently, the only Debian package that has libvorbisidec1 listed as
dependency is mpd. :-(

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Re: [SHR-U] Bluetooth and GSM... Again.

[Rask Ingemann Lambertsen]

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 06:11:25PM +0200, kimaidou wrote:

> I followed some earlier talks of people who tryed manually to set up gsm
> talks through BT headset, but it was very low level (with scary command
> lines, and about 10 different manipulations to do).

   Someone has to do so and report back one the amount of success and the
make and model of the tested BT headset. Two years after the Neo 1973 came
out, the Wiki[1][2] lists just _eight_ BT headsets tested with GSM. That's
despite some other poster in this thread claiming to have bought "BT toy
after BT toy that doesn't work". So it is no wonder that BT headset support
hasn't been integrated long ago.

[1] 
https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#List_of_known_to_work_headsets
[2] https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/A2DP

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Re: using a FreeRunner without cellular service

[Rask Ingemann Lambertsen]

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:29:06PM -0700, Brolin Empey wrote:
> Hello list,
> 
> I am planning on buying a FreeRunner.  I need to check with my carrier
> (Speak Out Wireless in Canada) about cellular usage outside of my home area,
> but I may want to use my FreeRunner without cellular service. 

> Is this possible?  Does it work well?

   Yes, it works fine. That's how I use mine most of time. No problems with
that on OM2007.2, OM2008.x, OM2009, SHR or Debian.

> Do I have to remove my SIM or can I disable
> the cellular service without removing the SIM?

   On any of the distributions based on FSO, simply don't run anything that
uses the GSM modem. Then it won't be turned on. Additionally, without a SIM
card, the GSM modem will refuse to turn on the transmitter and receiver.

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Re: [OM2009] gsm don't start after opkg update-upgrade

[Rask Ingemann Lambertsen]

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 02:52:55PM +0100, Tom Yates wrote:

> i did a little googling on the error "Modem does not respond to AT 
> commands, trying close mux mode" and found the bug at 
> http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/367.  this is an old, closed bug but 
> it does indicate that not keeping up with BIOS upgrades can cause this 
> problem.

   There was a kernel issue with the serial port 0 initialization. It was
fixed while Andy still worked for OM (i.e. months ago). A workaround was
added to Qi for fear of that distributions shipping old kernels wouldn't
work. Regrettably, the official distribution is one of the offenders.

> so i upgraded my qi to the one in the testing5 repository, rebooted and 
> *bingo*!  my phone now works beautifully and i can discover the joys of 
> the latest paroli.
> 
> so here's a tip to people using 2009testing: the BIOS is important.  it 
> mediates stuff between the OS and hardware.

   The bootloader is not involved.

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reliability of resistive touch screens

[Brolin Empey]

Hello list,

I have ordered a buzz-fixed rev A6 FreeRunner from SDG Systems.  I chose the
A6 instead of A7 because I could get an A6 FreeRunner + DBoard for the price
of only an A7 FreeRunner.  I hope I do not regret knowingly buying an old
hardware revision, though.

Anyway, I am concerned about the reliability of the FreeRunner’s resistive
touch screen after a poor experience with my Palm Z22’s resistive touch
screen.  I bought my Palm Z22 in 2006-08 from London Drugs (a retail
department store in Canada) in Delta, British Columbia, Canada.  The
manufacturer’s warranty was only 1 year.  London Drugs offered me a 3-year
extended warranty, but I declined because I never seem to use these extended
warranties when I have previously bought them.  Anyway, my Palm Z22’s touch
screen first stopped working in 2009-06.  I queried Google Search and found
forum threads from other Palm PDA (not Palm phone) users whose touch screens
stopped working too.  I managed to make the touch screen work again by
pushing down on and bending the screen, but it stopped working again and has
not worked since 2009-06.  This is one of the few times I could have
actually used the retailer’s extended warranty.  Yesterday (Saturday), I
bought a T5 miniature Torx screwdriver so I could open my Palm Z22.  Neither
I nor my dad, who is an Electrical Engineer and a Professional Engineer,
could make the touch screen work again.  My dad suggested wrapping my
disassembled Palm Z22 in a plastic bag to protect it from frost and leaving
it in the freezer.  I tried this:  the touch screen worked again while it
was still cold, but stopped working again after it warmed up.

Anyway, is this same thing going to happen with my FreeRunner’s resistive
touch screen before I have even had it for 3 years? :( How old is the oldest
FreeRunner (or any other consumer device with a resistive touch screen) with
a touch screen that still works?

Thanks,
Brolin

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Re: [openwrt] cannot install (some) packages from depository...

[xChris]

I am trying to install from the repo...
(http://downloads.openwrt.org/snapshots/trunk/s3c24xx/packages)

It seems that the checksums are fscked there


The Digital Pioneer wrote:
> 
> That tends to happen when you try to specify a package for installation
> (actually give it an IPK or OPK) that is in the repos. It checks the
> checksum of the package you provided against the one in the repo, and if
> they aren't the same, it freaks out. I wish there was a way to tell it to
> install it anyways, but there's not AFAIK. You just have to install from
> the
> repo.
> 
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Re: [openwrt] cannot install (some) packages from depository...

[The Digital Pioneer]

That tends to happen when you try to specify a package for installation
(actually give it an IPK or OPK) that is in the repos. It checks the
checksum of the package you provided against the one in the repo, and if
they aren't the same, it freaks out. I wish there was a way to tell it to
install it anyways, but there's not AFAIK. You just have to install from the
repo.
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Re: [debian] eneoset

[Rask Ingemann Lambertsen]

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 04:35:05AM -0700, Mike Crash wrote:
> So i have created small utility with ELM
> named eneoset, which can change backlight, turn on or off bluetooth and
> Wi-Fi and can change USB device/host mode. Changing USB current limit still
> doesn't work.

$ find /sys -name usb_curlim -print
/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-mbc/usb_curlim

   Accepted values are 0, 100, 500 and 1000 (mA). Overiding it needs root,
however.

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[openwrt] cannot install (some) packages from depository...

[xChris]

It seems that the default depository is wrong?!

All I get is : 'md5sum mismatch' when I am trying to install some packages.

TIA

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[openBmap] [Debian] New release of GSM cells logger 0.3.2: now in Debian feeds

[Onen]

Hi everyone,

a new release has hit the repositories, version 0.3.2. Main highlight: 
openbmap-logger is now in the Debian feeds thanks to Sebastian Reichel!

Summary
===
The purpose of this software is to log GSM data, together with
GPS coordinate. This data are sent to the website (www.openbmap.org),
in order to build a free database.

Possible uses of this database:
* get your location based on the current GSM cell you are connected to.
(GPS needs extra power to function, GSM is always on. Less precise
than GPS, but enough for a lot of usages. Instant location, GPS
needs time to get a fix.)
* speed up GPS first time to fix by providing the location based
on GSM data
* geolocate your photos when taken
* get a map of GSM coverage
...

 From the README:

WHAT'S NEW SINCE 0.3.0?
===
(Version 0.3.1 has never been officially released.)
* Debian package.
* Button images do not embed any more text. The text is now a regular
label under the image.
* Button text is now "Start" instead of "Generate".
* rxlev added to serving cell XML log, if available.
* timing advance is available, but deactivated. It needs to be logged
only on specific situation.
* Application logging level set to INFO by default.
* Logging level of some application messages have been changed.
* In a loop, time is now limited to get all data necessary.

As always, thanks to mrmoku from SHR and Stefan Schmidt from FSO for 
bringing this new version to the feeds too.

Help us to build a free database of GSM coverage!

Comments are always welcome! (GUI will be replaced in next release.)

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Re: Mails about Android

[arne anka]

> But as soon as you put Android on it, its a Neo with android on it.
> Then mails are as deplaced here

no, they won't.
these lists cover the hardware as well as the software.
but prefix the subjects of mails android-specific with [android]

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Re: literki update

[Aapo Rantalainen]

Great. It is possible to use qwerty-button to popup and hide Literki?
And release link to sources.

-Aapo Rantalainen

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Re: Mails about Android

[David Reyes Samblas Martinez]

It's Openmoko Neo FreeRunner, not FIC-Neo Freerunner.
So even if you succed in run WIndows CE on it it will be relevant on this list.
If you feel them anoying just ignore them.
Regards

2009/7/19 David Lanzendörfer :
>> > Im not sure if announcements about android are correctly placed on the
>> > OpenMoko Mailinglist.
>> > In my opinion the android mailinglist would be the better place.
>> > But correct me, if Im wrong.
>> It's another distro that runs on the OM hardware, with porting done by
>> community members, so it seems entirely on topic to me.
> It not OM hardware. Its FIC-Neo hardware. As long as you run OpenMoko on it
> its correct to discuss it on a OpenMoko-Mailinglist.
> But as soon as you put Android on it, its a Neo with android on it.
> Then mails are as deplaced here as windows questions on an iMac-ML, because he
> has its Windows running on an iMac.
> Do you get the point?
>
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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

[Steve " 'dillo" Okay (Roadknight Mobility Labs)]

I have complained quite a bit about the FR and UI/UE in the current  
distros, but I find myself missing my device and eagerly awaiting it's  
return from SDG w/ the buzz-fix added.

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Re: Intone 0.60 Almost Stable ;-)

[Jakob]

On 7/19/09, Laszlo KREKACS  wrote:

> Where to get mplayer for om2009.t5?
>
> Other dependencies:
> libsqlite3-0
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv4t/libsqlite3-0_3.6.5-r0_armv4t.ipk
> libvorbis
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv4t/libvorbis_1.0.1-r2_armv4t.ipk
>
> Terminal log:
> r...@om-gta02:~# intone
> SQL error: duplicate column name: priority
> SQL error: duplicate column name: version
> Simple mixer control 'PCM',0
>   Capabilities: volume
>   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Limits: 0 - 255
>   Front Left: 204 [80%] [-25.50dB]
>   Front Right: 204 [80%] [-25.50dB]
> sh: mplayer: not found
>
> And hangs here.
>
> Laszlo

hi Laszo,

i'm using this [1] version of mplayer. It uses verylow CPU for mp3 and ogg.

[1] 
http://www.paultt.org/downloads/openmoko/mplayer_dev-SVN-r29155-4.1.2-tremor-low_armv4t.ipk

Jake

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Re: Mails about Android

[David Lanzendörfer]

> > Im not sure if announcements about android are correctly placed on the
> > OpenMoko Mailinglist.
> > In my opinion the android mailinglist would be the better place.
> > But correct me, if Im wrong.
> It's another distro that runs on the OM hardware, with porting done by
> community members, so it seems entirely on topic to me.
It not OM hardware. Its FIC-Neo hardware. As long as you run OpenMoko on it 
its correct to discuss it on a OpenMoko-Mailinglist.
But as soon as you put Android on it, its a Neo with android on it.
Then mails are as deplaced here as windows questions on an iMac-ML, because he 
has its Windows running on an iMac.
Do you get the point?

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Re: literki update

[Jakob]

Hey Michal,

I really like using literky and i like the new version even more. The
way how to popup/hide the keyboard is great and intuitinal.
Keep up the good work!

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Re: OpenMoko on HTC-Dream

[David Lanzendörfer]

> WOW!!!
Thx

> me and other people were doing the contrary:
Ok, I always wondered why someone would install some piece of shit like 
android on any device, especially on such a great device like the FIC 
NeoFreerunner.

> free the android stack of the G1,mainly because we thought that it was
> easier(and also easier for me because I've no G1,so I thought that if I
> had to debug early boot failure it would be a lot harder if I've not the
> phone and without serial
> port(https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Noisedroid/FAQ have serial
> working ))
Freeing android? Look please onto the screen!
First what you see is the google logo. And before cupcake you weren't able to 
even use it unless you logged into google with a personal account.
And without hacking you never ever get something like a root shell.
They can write "Linux phone" as long as they want, as long as I cant do 
anything with it, its worthless.
When I wanted to have a phone, on which you cant do anything and which data 
mines you all the time, I also could buy a WindowsCE-Smartphone or an iPhone.

> so I've some questions:
> *does the telephony part work?
> *does the GPS part work?
> *does the wifi work?
No, but Im glad, that I got this f* userspace off of my handy.

> Denis.
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Scuba divers wanted (Re: QSuunto-Lite)

[Christian Rüb]

Please see wiki page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/QSuunto-Lite and edit if 
you are also interested in a dive logging application.

Thank you.

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Re: travel-diary a simple GPS application

[Christian Rüb]

wiki page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Travel_Diary

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Re: Intone 0.60 Almost Stable ;-)

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 3:33 PM, c_c wrote:
>  Here is the ipk for OM 2009. Can somebody test and confirm it works?
>  You'll need id3lib package from the shr repository since OM2009 doesn't
> have one.[1]

Where to get mplayer for om2009.t5?

Other dependencies:
libsqlite3-0
http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv4t/libsqlite3-0_3.6.5-r0_armv4t.ipk
libvorbis
http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv4t/libvorbis_1.0.1-r2_armv4t.ipk

Terminal log:
r...@om-gta02:~# intone
SQL error: duplicate column name: priority
SQL error: duplicate column name: version
Simple mixer control 'PCM',0
  Capabilities: volume
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: 0 - 255
  Front Left: 204 [80%] [-25.50dB]
  Front Right: 204 [80%] [-25.50dB]
sh: mplayer: not found

And hangs here.

Laszlo

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Re: problems with pisi sync

[Michael Pilgermann]

Robin,

could you please try to re-install gdata? I suppose, you have an old
version of gdata installed - which did not contain site-packages for
Python 2.6 (e.g. SHR) (only for Python 2.5 - OM 2008.X) ... uninstall
and grab a new copy from OPKG.org ...

Please let me know, whether this was working well for you ... greetings
Michael


Robin Paulson wrote:
> i'm trying to sync data from google calendar to openmoko dates, using
> pisi, but get this error message. my google calendar account is set up
> in the pisi conf file
> 
> ---
> 
> r...@om-gta02:~# pisi googleCalendar pimlicodates
> Traceback (most recent call
> last):] Starting
> Configuration
>   File "/bin/pisi", line 156, in 
> pisicli.startCLI()
>   File "/opt/pisi/pisicli.py", line 215, in startCLI
> source = pisi.importModules(configfolder,  config,  modulesToLoad,
>  modulesNamesCombined, soft)
>   File "/opt/pisi/pisi.py", line 81, in importModules
> exec "from modules import " + modulename + " as module"+i.__str__()
>   File "", line 1, in 
>   File "/opt/pisi/modules/calendar_google.py", line 20, in 
> import gdata.calendar.service
> ImportError: No module named gdata.calendar.service
> 
> ---
> 
> python-gdata is installed
> 
> does anyone have any ideas?
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Re: [gta02-core] The University of S?o Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development

[Werner Almesberger]

?lvaro Lopes wrote:
> > But (for example) the "gerbers" be licensed with a small royalty (1-2
> > dollars per phone, with a cap of 500,000 to 1,000,000 USD) only if the
> > party will make *over* 5,000-10,000 phones.
> 
> Interesting idea, but would defy the openness of the project IMHO.

I feel a similar uneasiness with this proposal. While these royalties
would be extremely friendly compared to what others take, I think
they would still limit the power of what is the key differentiator of
the whole project, namely the openness.

So far, I can think of three areas where such royalties would be
troublesome:

- they would add a bias that could be perceived as unfair to future
  major contributors and might set a precedent for an accumulation
  of claims.

- such a license would probably be incompatible with pure CC-BY-SA
  and similar, discouraging cooperation and limiting the
  opportunities for reuse (both from and by us). There's also the
  issue of where you draw the line when people copy only part of the
  design.

- good licenses are simple. The more exceptions and special cases
  you add, the less comfortable people (and companies) will be with
  it.

There are also many cautionary tales of someone trying to wrap a
business model around revenue from an "almost Free" license, and
the whole thing leading to protraced arguments and frustration.

So I would rather keep the license plain and simple, and try to
generate revenue from the value of the design team's experience,
visibility, and contacts.

> The problem here is we are not developing a "state-of-the-art" phone.

I think it's sufficient to have "decent enough" hardware. Most of
the ubiquituous features aren't all that expensive to have and
you gain little by driving things to the bleeding edge of
technology.

Instead, we can capitalize on the one truly unique feature we offer,
the radical openness. This may have limited appeal to end users
outside the geek population, but if I was a VAR, I'd kill for it.

- Werner

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Re: gsm restart

[GNUtoo]

On Sat, 2009-07-18 at 13:38 +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> On Friday 17 July 2009 21:12:18 Petr Vanek wrote:
> > as calypso sometimes crashes under heavy load is there a way to restart
> > it on the fly? power off; power on?
> 
> Do you still see firmware crashes even with fso-abyss as muxer?
> 
> :M:
I still do with
SIP+openvpn(for avoiding the port blocking) as udp
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Re: OpenMoko on HTC-Dream

[GNUtoo]

On Sun, 2009-07-19 at 13:31 +0200, David Lanzendörfer wrote:
> ndroid-Handy).
> (framebuffer console)
> That means: Android linux kernel + OpenMoko (Angstrom) user space.
> When someone is interested in participating the development, youre
> welcome to 
> help me.
> 
> greatings
> leviathan
WOW!!!
me and other people were doing the contrary:
free the android stack of the G1,mainly because we thought that it was
easier(and also easier for me because I've no G1,so I thought that if I
had to debug early boot failure it would be a lot harder if I've not the
phone and without serial
port(https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Noisedroid/FAQ have serial
working ))
so I've some questions:
*does the telephony part work?
*does the GPS part work?
*does the wifi work?

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literki update

[Michal Brzozowski]

Hi community,

This is a new version of your favorite keyboard.

This update is concentrated on using libfreetype for fonts, and this means 2
things:
- it supports unicode input (at least I hope so, I tried it only with Polish
letters :-))
- it looks much nicer
- the keys are much more visible when transparent, and thus I left
transparency always on
- you can change the font and size

The mechanism for showing/hiding the keyboard has also changed.

To pop up the keyboard: slide your finger upwards from the bottom right
corner.
To hide the keyboard: slide your finger down on the keyboard.

You can configure what distance you need to slide. If you just click the
bottom right corner, the click goes through to the application, so it
(almost) doesn't affect using other applications when the keyboard is
hidden.

Here's the package:
http://pvtrace.com/literki_0.0.2-r3_armv4t.ipk

Here's a literki.conf explanation (I will update it shortly):
http://pvtrace.com/literki_conf.html

Here's a recent screenshot:
http://pvtrace.com/literki2.png

Have fun,
Michal
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Re: ANN: freesmartphone.org MS 5.5

[Sudharshan S]

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Michael 'Mickey'
Lauer wrote:
> The Freesmartphone.org team is proud to release milestone 5.5 codenamed
> 'In Transit...'.
>

Coolness, Its awesome to see the vala implementation catching up. :)

Sudharshan S
http://sudharsh.wordpress.com

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Re: ANN: freesmartphone.org MS 5.5

[Petr Vanek]

>The Freesmartphone.org team is proud to release milestone 5.5 codenamed
>'In Transit...'.

this is a great achievement! thanks to the whole team!

Petr







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Re: good bye google code

[mqy]

>> I like google search, but google lives a bad life in my country.
>
> This is not due to Google... it's a china problem... Ask your government to
> not put many filtering equipments and routers,  and latency will be better
> :)

I don't think the abnormal cases were caused by just latency.

Thanks for the tip, don't you think that your suggestion is a joke?

Time to go to bed, should I enjoy the raining evening or try asking
somebody in my dream?

regards,
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Re: OpenMoko on HTC-Dream

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Do you have sound?

:M:


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ANN: freesmartphone.org MS 5.5

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

The Freesmartphone.org team is proud to release milestone 5.5 codenamed
'In Transit...'.

At first, we apologize for having passed the deadline for some months, but as 
you might now there have been some substantial changes in our work situation 
which took some time adjusting to. We're back on track now -- expect an 
important announcement soon.

For this milestone, there have been improvements all over the place and we've 
tied up some loose ends. It should provide a stable base for the changes 
coming in milestone 6:
 - switch some subsystems to the FSO 2.0 implementation in Vala,
 - support for more devices,
 - new mux daemon (fso-abyss),
 - network management.

This will be the last release of FSO specific images. In the future we
will focus on the framework itself and cooperate with SHR for the
distribution and images. Note that expect the celldb interface, Zhone did not 
receive any updates, so milestone 5.5 will look almost the same as milestone 
5.1 did.

If you like to read about the details, you can find them here:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/Status_Update_7

Thanks to everyone who has sent us bug reports or patches, this
helped a lot!

You can download images for GTA01 and GTA02 here:
http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone5.5/

NOTE that GTA01 is still on kernel 2.6.24, since 2.6.28 did not meet our 
quality checks.

Best regards,
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Re: Intone 0.60 Almost Stable ;-)

[Adam Jimerson]

On Sunday 19 July 2009 12:03:24 am c_c wrote:
> Hi,
>   Well, after quite a few tweaks - here is the latest version of Intone.
>
> Changes :-
> * (hopefully) better top bar in playlist view
> * change priority from gui
> * change playing song icon to play in list
> * fixes to better support logical order when changing from random->normal
> and vice versa
> * support bluetooth streaming to A2DP sets from intone (__you'll have to
> pair the headset yourself__)
> * better time display on progress bar
> * even better scan routine (please rescan your songs for the right names to
> be picked up)
> * some code speedups
> * fixed ui break in album art view with long song names
>
>   So try it out and post feedback.
>   Coming soon - progress during scanning, quick search for songs and
> bluetooth headset button support.
>
>   I don't have a bluetooth headset - so please try the feature and post
> back if it works. Will start work on the commands once this is proven.
>
> Thanks
>

I have found a couple of problems with it: 1 it doesn't seem to remove songs 
that are in a format it can't play, I accidentally copied some m4a songs over 
and had intone scan my music directory.  After removing the  m4a files and 
rescanning the directory they are still listed in intone.  2. when going 
through songs -> artists -> and selecting a single song it doesn't play but 
going to all songs and selecting the same song it plays just fine.
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Re: Mails about Android

[Al Johnson]

On Sunday 19 July 2009, David Lanzendörfer wrote:
> Im not sure if announcements about android are correctly placed on the
> OpenMoko Mailinglist.
> In my opinion the android mailinglist would be the better place.
> But correct me, if Im wrong.

It's another distro that runs on the OM hardware, with porting done by 
community members, so it seems entirely on topic to me.

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Re: good bye google code

[arne anka]

> This is not due to Google... it's a china problem...

well, i can't remember the chinese government having the motto "don't be  
evil" ...

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Re: Do I need a FAT SD card? Do I need OM? Do I need... ? Choices, Choices, Choices...

[Al Johnson]

On Sunday 19 July 2009, li...@kitepilot.com wrote:
> Can I just ext3 the SD card ?
> I'm not very fond of FAT...

You can format it in any thing your kernel will support. ext3 is fine.

> Also, as of:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD
> It says:
> "WARNING: Booting from SDHC may cause problems at this time (see below)."

Works fine for me. This may refer to the Neo1973, or to old bootloader 
versions.

> Should I even try to boot from the SD card?
> Are there outstanding issues that I should know of?

Some cards don't work reliably at the default clock rate, so you may need a 
kernel command line switch adding to change it. You may need to change the 
uboot parameters for kernels >2MB, or use Qi which handles large kernels and 
boots faster.

> How small of a card is too small?
> Will 2GB be usable/enough or should I plan on something bigger/smaller?

Depends on what you're doing with it. 512MB is fine for most distros, but 2GB 
is probably more appropriate for debian or gentoo. You may want more space if 
you plan to use it for audio. video or maps.

> Finally, should I "Om 2009" or "SHR" ?
>
> Thanks!
> ET
>
> PS: This flashing thing ain't easy...
> For dumb people like me anyway...   :(
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Re: good bye google code

[Steven Le Roux]

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:35 PM, mqy  wrote:

>
> > you can't do the smalles things w/o having a google account -- not even
> > contact authors of google code projects, let alone reporting bugs.
>
> I like google search, but google lives a bad life in my country.


This is not due to Google... it's a china problem... Ask your government to
not put many filtering equipments and routers,  and latency will be better
:)



> I dislike the "feature" of google code: it increases SVN revision number
> whenever you edit a wiki page!
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Do I need a FAT SD card? Do I need OM? Do I need... ? Choices, Choices, Choices...

[lists]

Can I just ext3 the SD card ?
I'm not very fond of FAT... 

Also, as of:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD
It says:
"WARNING: Booting from SDHC may cause problems at this time (see below)." 

Should I even try to boot from the SD card?
Are there outstanding issues that I should know of? 

How small of a card is too small?
Will 2GB be usable/enough or should I plan on something bigger/smaller? 

Finally, should I "Om 2009" or "SHR" ? 

Thanks!
ET 

PS: This flashing thing ain't easy...
For dumb people like me anyway...   :(

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Mails about Android

[David Lanzendörfer]

Im not sure if announcements about android are correctly placed on the 
OpenMoko Mailinglist.
In my opinion the android mailinglist would be the better place.
But correct me, if Im wrong.

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Re: Intone 0.60 Almost Stable ;-)

[c_c]

Hi,

ran wrote:
> 
> Work after installing some additional packages ( from
> http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t/ )
> 
 Thanks. Did you need any package other than id3lib?
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Re: PISI 0.3 released

[Petr Vanek]

>could someone help me with setting this up? i've got a new conf file,
>with the necessary items in, so now pimlico dates appears in the
>calendar list
>
>my conf file contains this:
>[googleCalendar]
>description=My Google Calendar
>module=calendar_google
>user=robin.paul...@gmail.com
>password=
>calendarid=robin.paul...@gmail.com
>
>[pimlicodates]
>description= Pimlico Dates
>module=calendar_ics
>path=/home/root/.evolution/calendar/local/system/calendar.ics
>
>when i select the corresponding items in the pisi gui, and hit start,
>it reports 'Configuring (0%)', but does nothing
>
>i'm guessing i've stuffed up the config for gcalendar, but can't see
>where

on shr-u, make sure you have pisi and dates installed. you have to run
dates at least once for the storage file to exist.

relevant section of my ./pisi/conf:

[googleCalendar]

   
description=My Google Calendar
module=calendar_google
user=petr...@gmail.com
password=**
calendarid=petr...@gmail.com

[pimlicodates]  

   
description= Pimlico Dates
module=calendar_ics
path=/home/root/.evolution/calendar/local/system/calendar.ics   

   


This is it. Btw the calendar sync in pisi doesn't have conflict mode
settings so if you reinstall your distro (like i did now) and your
appointments are in google only, they will get erased...fortunately
there is a backup in the .pisi dir :)

good luck
Petr


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Re: gsm restart

[Petr Vanek]

>tomorrow) with status reports (also on the wiki). Last but not least,
>you could subscribe to smartphones-standards and smartphones-userland
>-- this is where all the FSO action happens.

thank you Mickey. i wasn't aware of the smartphones list. i might check
them out.

Petr


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Re: OpenMoko on HTC-Dream

[David Lanzendörfer]

Description for basi setup is done under:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_on_HTC-Dream

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problems with pisi sync

[Robin Paulson]

i'm trying to sync data from google calendar to openmoko dates, using
pisi, but get this error message. my google calendar account is set up
in the pisi conf file

---

r...@om-gta02:~# pisi googleCalendar pimlicodates
Traceback (most recent call
last):] Starting
Configuration
  File "/bin/pisi", line 156, in 
pisicli.startCLI()
  File "/opt/pisi/pisicli.py", line 215, in startCLI
source = pisi.importModules(configfolder,  config,  modulesToLoad,
 modulesNamesCombined, soft)
  File "/opt/pisi/pisi.py", line 81, in importModules
exec "from modules import " + modulename + " as module"+i.__str__()
  File "", line 1, in 
  File "/opt/pisi/modules/calendar_google.py", line 20, in 
import gdata.calendar.service
ImportError: No module named gdata.calendar.service

---

python-gdata is installed

does anyone have any ideas?

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Re: Intone 0.60 Almost Stable ;-)

[c_c]

Hi,
  Here is the ipk for OM 2009. Can somebody test and confirm it works?
 You'll need id3lib package from the shr repository since OM2009 doesn't
have one.[1]

http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3284396/intone_0.60_arm.ipk-OM
intone_0.60_arm.ipk-OM 

Thanks

[1] http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t/


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Re: OpenMoko on HTC-Dream

[David Lanzendörfer]

> Hi,
>
> David Lanzendörfer wrote:
> > Hi Folks
> > I managed to boot OpenMoko on the HTC-Dream (Android-Handy).
> > (framebuffer console) That means: Android linux kernel + OpenMoko
> > (Angstrom) user space.
>
>   Thats a very interesting thing. A lot of the hardware (read phones) being
> released for android obviously have most of the drivers in the kernel.
>   Can you write about the process to get this going - especially the
> bootloader part somewhere? And if you know about work on the graphics chip
> on the net.
> Thanks

Not finished yet:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_on_HTC-Dream


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Re: OpenMoko on HTC-Dream

[David Lanzendörfer]

I think its the best to create a wiki page, in which I describe the steps to 
get OpenMoko running on HTC-Dream. (Ill past the link, as soon as Im finished 
writing)
I had need to use the androids kernel to get it work.
Perhaps we could take their drivers and so on and merge them into our openmoko 
kernel tree?

greatings David

> Hi,
> David Lanzendörfer wrote:
> > Hi Folks
> > I managed to boot OpenMoko on the HTC-Dream (Android-Handy).
> > (framebuffer console) That means: Android linux kernel + OpenMoko
> > (Angstrom) user space.
>   Thats a very interesting thing. A lot of the hardware (read phones) being
> released for android obviously have most of the drivers in the kernel.
>   Can you write about the process to get this going - especially the
> bootloader part somewhere? And if you know about work on the graphics chip
> on the net.
> Thanks


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Re: OpenMoko on HTC-Dream

[c_c]

Hi,

David Lanzendörfer wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks
> I managed to boot OpenMoko on the HTC-Dream (Android-Handy).
> (framebuffer console) That means: Android linux kernel + OpenMoko
> (Angstrom) user space.
> 
  Thats a very interesting thing. A lot of the hardware (read phones) being
released for android obviously have most of the drivers in the kernel. 
  Can you write about the process to get this going - especially the
bootloader part somewhere? And if you know about work on the graphics chip
on the net.
Thanks
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OpenMoko on HTC-Dream

[David Lanzendörfer]

Hi Folks
I managed to boot OpenMoko on the HTC-Dream (Android-Handy).
(framebuffer console)
That means: Android linux kernel + OpenMoko (Angstrom) user space.
When someone is interested in participating the development, youre welcome to 
help me.

greatings
leviathan



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Lightweight music player: pyradio

[Thomas des Courières]

Hi,

just wanted to shared pyradio with you : http://www.coderholic.com/pyradio/

it's an interface to mplayer build with python and ncurses.

to get it working, opkg install python-curses, and follow instructions on
the website.

it works very flawlessly on my shr-unstable !

greetings
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Re: BrightPlayer 0.2

[Yorick Moko]

why not add it to opkg.org?
(fr not with me, so unable to check it out)

On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Daniel MT wrote:

> Howdy.
> I just uploaded the new version of BrightPlayer available in
>
> http://www.faltantornillos.net/proyectos/gnu/brightPlayer/brightPlayerGTK0.2.tar.gz
> A fast, lightweight and easy random music player.
> Now we switched to GTk, you can change the volume while playing, lock
> and unlock the screen and decide if you want to play music that turns
> you up or down.
>  faltantornillos.net
>
>   disculpenlasmolestias.com
>
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Re: Intone 0.60 Almost Stable ;-)

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 8:27 AM, c_c wrote:
>>Librarys ???
>
>  Yup. Will post a package for OM2009 soon.
>

Excellent news. Maybe I will be able to carry intone to my holiday
starting at wednesday.

Thank you c_c!

Laszlo

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