Re: [qtmoko] using qtmoko as an USB Mass storage device
On Saturday 15 May 2010, Tomas Nackaerts wrote: Hello all, I want to use my freerunner as a USB Mass storage device. I tried to follow the instructions on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Using_the_Neo_as_an_USB_Mass_storage_device. But it seems there are no g_ether and g_file_storage modules present on QtMoko v22. Maybe they are built inside the kernel? If there's no g_ether module then it will be built in, and g_file_storage may be. If so you can use the bind and unbind /sys files for the drivers instead of loading and unloading them. I don't remember exactly where they live, but it's probably something like: echo g_ether /sys/bus/usb/drivers/g_ether/unbind echo g_file_storage /sys/bus/usb/drivers/g_file_storage/bind There is similar mechanism for setting the parameters, but I don't remember the details. Look for suitably names files in the g_file_storage directory. I also found in the Devtools menu two scripts: 'USB device mode' and 'USB host mode', but i dont know what their exact use is. Device mode is when the moko behaves as a usb device like an ethernet adapter or a flash drive. Host mode is when the neo behaves as a usb host so you can plug in and use devices ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qi-bootmenu-0.1 for GTA02
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 11:20:03PM +0200, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Dave Ball openm...@underhand.org wrote: This is the case if you have installed Marc's patched Qi. Which is this one , yes? http://www.brain-dump.org/projects/qi-bootmenu/qi-s3c2442-bootmenu-0.1.udfu If your freerunner is booting from SD card by default, and only displaying the bootmenu when pressing AUX while booting, then you're still using standard qi rather than the patched version. But how can it be, when I have installed the above qi? I even downloaded and installed it again, just to make sure. Still, the AUX press is needed. I can confirm this. I also use the patched Qi and have to press AUX. Nevertheless it doesn't matter when I press AUX, it's not so complicated as when one tries to skip the first boot partition :-) Questions: flash partitions are not scanned? Why? Is it possible to use better names (Debian or maybe 1. partition SD card) in the boot menu instead of /dev/mtd... Remarks: http://www.brain-dump.org/projects/qi-bootmenu/#faq After downloading the kernel and bootloader they can be flashed to your device like any other distribution with dfu-util. is confusing. qi-bootmenu is *no* real distribution but just a kernel image (with embedded initrd). Reading this sentence I was not sure whether I need to create a new partition somewhere for the boot loader. The initscripts of qi-bootmenu-system are checking /proc/cmdline for a variable called qi-bootmenu-args and pass it to qi-bootmenu upon it's execution. This can be used to tweak the behaviour of the boot menu application via first stage bootloader arguments. Currently the flash partition /dev/mtdblock6 is ignored using this method. Mhm, how can I set a kernel command line for a kernel started from /dev/mtdblock6? I also do not understand the last sentence, probably it mentions the trouble I'm seeing. http://repo.or.cz/w/qi-bootmenu-system.git/blob/HEAD:/flash-kernel.sh tries to flash uImage-$MACHINE.bin but http://www.brain-dump.org/projects/qi-bootmenu/#download provides uImage-GTA02-bootmenu-0.1.bin. I will continue testing this bootloader. I like it already but missing flash support is not nice. Jens ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
andy-tracking and gdrm-2.6.32
Hello Thomas (Hello List) I am a bit confused with the kernel branches... I assume that om-gta02-2.6.32 is the 2.6.32 kernel version one people are experimenting in distros... However I was reading references to the drm/kms changes in those distros, but your kms/drm changes do not seem to be merged into om-gt02.6.32. I am working on gdrm-2.6.32, but the only problem is that bluetooth is not working at all.. Did you ever use bluototh on gdrm-2.6.32, or did anybody else do so? rgrds, mobi phil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [gta02-core] Openmoko Beagle Hybrid
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.orgwrote: However, you may also want to consider making the parts directly, without going via a cast. This is much more expensive for larger quantities, but if you only need a handful of cases anyway, it should be more efficient. The alternative would be 3D-Printing. There are now some quite good machines that can produce in ABS. Unfortunately these machines are rather expensive and operators want to have fast amortization. This raises cost of small quantities of cases like the freerunner well beyond 100 USD. Have you contacted any hackerspaces? Check this non-exhaustive list http://harkopen.com/hackerspaces -- - Atilla Filiz Eindhoven University of Technology Embedded Systems, Master's Programme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: has fixed dimensions) and we can't afford to build plastic injection moulds (if someone has an idea how to reduce cost this is very welcome). So the easiest solution was to combine what we have: a given Beagleboard and the Freerunner case. Personally I don't see what the big deal is with mold-making. Anybody could start a business doing that if it's so lucrative: get a Harbor Freight or other cheap milling machine and some blocks of aluminum, and develop the skill to do sufficiently accurate machining. (I have tried a little milling but my skill level definitely needs a lot of improvement; maybe it will if I ever get around to doing enough of it.) Of course CNC would be nice, but again, what's the big deal...3 steppers or servo motors and a controller... As someone else mentioned the Chinese obviously aren't having too much trouble with mold-making. It's also within the realm of possibility to make your own injection molding machine. There is a book (Gingery) about how to do that, but there is nothing too exotic in that book either... it's just a heated cylinder and piston arrangement with a lever to apply the pressure. Hot plastic comes squirting out, and you have your mold clamped in place to receive it. Alternatives include building a RepRap, making the plastic parts directly, and putting up with rough, inaccurate results; buying a better rapid prototyping machine (FDM type or laser sintering or the type that builds up parts from thin laminates); or directly CNC-milling the cases (you could even use wood then). As a DIY/hacker type thing rather than commercial, it might fly. Maybe try to get a story in Make Magazine because there seems to be a trendy new crowd of DIY/hacker types nowadays, who weren't around a couple years ago. Or get it made at one of the rapid-prototyping shops. For every type of RP technology there are multiple shops doing on-demand prototypes. In any event, the case design could be posted on http://www.thingiverse.com/ and maybe someone who has a RepRap or similar can try to make a prototype. There was a design contest going on but I guess the time has passed: http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/04/makerbot_giveaway.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtmoko] using qtmoko as an USB Mass storage device
On Saturday 15 May 2010 17:20:02 Tomas Nackaerts wrote: I want to use my freerunner as a USB Mass storage device. I tried to follow the instructions on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Using_the_Neo_as_an_USB_Mass_storage_device. The problem is kernel config for QtMoko. You can build only one gadged driver in kernel and the one is in QtMoko USB ethernet. The solution is to have USB ethernet and USB storage as modules. But it has also one downside for me as developer: you need working /lib/modules on the phone and which makes swapping different kernels very very difficult. I would consider compiling etherent and mass storage as modules, but i cant see any real reason why anyone would need to use mass storage. It's possible to mount freerunner's filesystem with sshfs which is very easy to do. You can also setup NFS. The SD card can be formated and paritioned on freerunner. If somebody brings up good reason why USB mass storage is needed i will make it possible as default in QtMoko. Btw you can even now recompile kernel with mass storage support :) Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v22
On Saturday 15 May 2010 17:47:47 mobi phil wrote: but still do not know if it is based on andy tracking. All 2.6.29 kernels in QtMoko are based on andy-tracking. They are built with nodebug config and wifi patch from here: whatever kernel it is.. does it have the Thomas Whites Kms stuff merged? On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Torfinn Ingolfsen tin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 1:31 PM, mobi phil m...@mobiphil.com wrote: the uImage-v22.bin is 2.6.29 isn't it? Yes, QtMoko V22 has this kernel: neo:~# uname -a Linux neo 2.6.29-rc3-v21 #10 Tue Apr 6 22:54:31 CEST 2010 armv4tl GNU/Linux was not following for a while the list... could anybody tell me where I could find a 2.6.32.bin? QtMoko V23 (testing) has this kernel: neo:~# uname -a Linux neo 2.6.32v20 #16 Tue May 4 21:11:16 CEST 2010 armv4tl GNU/Linux HTH -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qt-moko] QX config being ignored
On Friday 14 May 2010 23:34:25 Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote: * kbd=false launches an empty keyboard area * rotate=true doesn't work I implemented rotating with accelerometers. Try to flip the freerunner and it should call xrandr -o N where N is number according to current rotation. It worked last time i tried, but i have white screens quite often. My system has the v22 /opt tree. I've tried above with both fbdev and glamo setup in xorg.conf. neo:~# uname -a Linux neo 2.6.29-rc3-v21 #10 Tue Apr 6 22:54:31 CEST 2010 armv4tl GNU/Linux neo:~# dpkg -l xserver-xorg* |grep ii ii xserver-xorg1:7.5+5 the X.Org X server ii xserver-xorg-core 2:1.7.6.901-3 Xorg X server - core server ii xserver-xorg-input-all 1:7.5+5 the X.Org X server -- input driver metapacka ii xserver-xorg-input-evdev1:2.3.2-4X.Org X server -- evdev input driver ii xserver-xorg-input-synaptics1.2.2-2 Synaptics TouchPad driver for X.Org server ii xserver-xorg-input-wacom0.10.5+20100416-1X.Org X server -- Wacom input driver ii xserver-xorg-video-fbdev1:0.4.2-2 X.Org X server -- fbdev display driver ii xserver-xorg-video-glamo0.0.0+20091108.git9918e082-2 X.Org X server -- SMedia Glamo display drive I havent made the rotation working with full X server. So cant help very much here. Btw, it would be great if I could bring a chroot from my full Debian system in /media/card to QX. Can you think an elegant way to perform this? Write a script that chroots there and place a .desktop file for it in /usr/share/applications. QX should find it and it should appear in the favourites menu. I think it should be possible to work that way. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v22
On Saturday 15 May 2010 17:47:47 mobi phil wrote: but still do not know if it is based on andy tracking. All 2.6.29 kernels in QtMoko are based on andy-tracking. They are built with nodebug config and wifi patch from here: http://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/tree/master/devices/neo/linux_kernel/ whatever kernel it is.. does it have the Thomas Whites Kms stuff merged? no - andy-tracking does not have kms stuff. All 2.6.32 kernels were until now also without kms - they are built from om-gta02-2.6.32. At that time KMS branch had some problem, which were fixed. Last time i tried KMS branch it worked fine. So maybe next 2.6.32 based release will be with kms. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid
The problem is not technology or DIY capabilities, but cost. What we want to have is a nice case achievable for everybody, not only the enthusiast who wants to spend time and money for experimenting with DIY hardware or commercial FDM. So the question is how much does a SW developer want to pay to get HW + Case? Let's say 50 EUR per plastic case. FDM is at least 200 EUR (that is what we got as a quotation from the rapid-prototyping shops for a simple part and not the whole case). Or 700 EUR for a Cupcake. Or 5k for a protomold made thing. Or 10-20k EUR for a 3D printer. A full freerunner case consists of 6 plastic parts (incl. 2 buttons). The other side is expectation of quality/robustness. I have been told by experts who own a RepRap/CupCake that the precision is not good enough to reproduce a Freerunner case (wall thickness 0.5mm). Am 17.05.2010 um 06:03 schrieb Shawn Rutledge: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: has fixed dimensions) and we can't afford to build plastic injection moulds (if someone has an idea how to reduce cost this is very welcome). So the easiest solution was to combine what we have: a given Beagleboard and the Freerunner case. Personally I don't see what the big deal is with mold-making. Anybody could start a business doing that if it's so lucrative: get a Harbor Freight or other cheap milling machine and some blocks of aluminum, and develop the skill to do sufficiently accurate machining. (I have tried a little milling but my skill level definitely needs a lot of improvement; maybe it will if I ever get around to doing enough of it.) Of course CNC would be nice, but again, what's the big deal...3 steppers or servo motors and a controller... As someone else mentioned the Chinese obviously aren't having too much trouble with mold-making. It's also within the realm of possibility to make your own injection molding machine. There is a book (Gingery) about how to do that, but there is nothing too exotic in that book either... it's just a heated cylinder and piston arrangement with a lever to apply the pressure. Hot plastic comes squirting out, and you have your mold clamped in place to receive it. Alternatives include building a RepRap, making the plastic parts directly, and putting up with rough, inaccurate results; buying a better rapid prototyping machine (FDM type or laser sintering or the type that builds up parts from thin laminates); or directly CNC-milling the cases (you could even use wood then). As a DIY/hacker type thing rather than commercial, it might fly. Maybe try to get a story in Make Magazine because there seems to be a trendy new crowd of DIY/hacker types nowadays, who weren't around a couple years ago. Or get it made at one of the rapid-prototyping shops. For every type of RP technology there are multiple shops doing on-demand prototypes. In any event, the case design could be posted on http://www.thingiverse.com/ and maybe someone who has a RepRap or similar can try to make a prototype. There was a design contest going on but I guess the time has passed: http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/04/makerbot_giveaway.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid
The problem is not technology or DIY capabilities, but cost. What we want to have is a nice case achievable for everybody, not only the enthusiast who wants to spend time and money for experimenting with DIY hardware or commercial FDM. So the question is how much does a SW developer want to pay to get HW + Case? Let's say 50 EUR per plastic case. FDM is at least 200 EUR (that is what we got as a quotation from the rapid-prototyping shops for a simple part and not the whole case). Or 700 EUR for a Cupcake. Or 5k for a protomold made thing. Or 10-20k EUR for a 3D printer. A full freerunner case consists of 6 plastic parts (incl. 2 buttons). The other side is expectation of quality/robustness. I have been told by experts who own a RepRap/CupCake that the precision is not good enough to reproduce a Freerunner case (wall thickness 0.5mm). So if we find a method that allows to make 10 units from a budget of 500 EUR or 100 units from a total budget of 5000 EUR I am happy! Am 17.05.2010 um 06:03 schrieb Shawn Rutledge: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: has fixed dimensions) and we can't afford to build plastic injection moulds (if someone has an idea how to reduce cost this is very welcome). So the easiest solution was to combine what we have: a given Beagleboard and the Freerunner case. Personally I don't see what the big deal is with mold-making. Anybody could start a business doing that if it's so lucrative: get a Harbor Freight or other cheap milling machine and some blocks of aluminum, and develop the skill to do sufficiently accurate machining. (I have tried a little milling but my skill level definitely needs a lot of improvement; maybe it will if I ever get around to doing enough of it.) Of course CNC would be nice, but again, what's the big deal...3 steppers or servo motors and a controller... As someone else mentioned the Chinese obviously aren't having too much trouble with mold-making. It's also within the realm of possibility to make your own injection molding machine. There is a book (Gingery) about how to do that, but there is nothing too exotic in that book either... it's just a heated cylinder and piston arrangement with a lever to apply the pressure. Hot plastic comes squirting out, and you have your mold clamped in place to receive it. Alternatives include building a RepRap, making the plastic parts directly, and putting up with rough, inaccurate results; buying a better rapid prototyping machine (FDM type or laser sintering or the type that builds up parts from thin laminates); or directly CNC-milling the cases (you could even use wood then). As a DIY/hacker type thing rather than commercial, it might fly. Maybe try to get a story in Make Magazine because there seems to be a trendy new crowd of DIY/hacker types nowadays, who weren't around a couple years ago. Or get it made at one of the rapid-prototyping shops. For every type of RP technology there are multiple shops doing on-demand prototypes. In any event, the case design could be posted on http://www.thingiverse.com/ and maybe someone who has a RepRap or similar can try to make a prototype. There was a design contest going on but I guess the time has passed: http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/04/makerbot_giveaway.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
