Re: about the cases
Dnia 2011-12-11, nie o godzinie 23:36 +0100, Fernando Martins pisze: Hi, Out of curiosity would it be possible to recover the original moulds used to produce the cases? Anybody knows what happened to them? Good question, however moulds are designed to produce certain amount of cases. Looking at how much was made, moulds can be at end of their lives. -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: about the cases
Am 12.12.2011 um 09:51 schrieb Patryk Benderz: Dnia 2011-12-11, nie o godzinie 23:36 +0100, Fernando Martins pisze: Hi, Out of curiosity would it be possible to recover the original moulds used to produce the cases? Anybody knows what happened to them? Good question, however moulds are designed to produce certain amount of cases. Looking at how much was made, moulds can be at end of their lives. AFAIK they have been made in 2006 or 2007 for the Neo1973 (and have been slightly modified for the GTA02). So I think they have been made within FIC and since FIC was finally the manufacturing subcontractor of Openmoko, Inc. I think they could be somewhere within FIC. Or have been scrapped there after some years of not being used. Anyways, they aren't of big help since the components inserted into the case (earpiece, vibracall motor, speaker) are no longer produced or available. So we have to go the painful way of designing our own cases. But the good side is that we can improve on the outer shape and lookfeel. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: about the cases
On 12/12/2011 10:04 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: So we have to go the painful way of designing our own cases. But the good side is that we can improve on the outer shape and lookfeel. Yes, I think that makes sense, but the cost of the moulds seems to be a major roadblock in the road of reasonably priced devices when done in small numbers. I was asking because my brother lives in a region in Portugal known for manufacturers of moulds, China being one of typical destinations. I asked him what he knew about this business and the main issue seems indeed to be very high cost of the moulds whereas the plastic products cost merely cents. Unfortunately, as mentioned by Patryck in the other reply, moulds also need to be rectified after some time, and even this cost can be too high. And, it seems that to make a single mould, it can in fact require more than one iteration. I was a bit surprised about this last one as I thought NPC tools could make the mould exactly according to spec but he did not know what were the issues. My brother did not know specific costs but he heard on past informal conversations of costs on the orders of many thousands of Euros. Did you get to any figures yourself? Regards, Fernando ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: about the cases
On Monday 12 December 2011 10:04:31 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Anyways, they aren't of big help since the components inserted into the case (earpiece, vibracall motor, speaker) are no longer produced or available. Would it be possible to find replacements and solder them on the PCB? E.g. placing the earpiece in new case could be mechanically very tricky. If it was soldered it could be much easier. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v37 for GTA02
Hello: Thanks a lot A diumenge 11 desembre 2011, vàreu escriure: Hi, after a small delay i am happy to announce QtMoko v37 also for Freerunner. I have just rebuild the debian package for this release. You can find it here [1], but apt-get update apt-get upgrade from v35 should work too. Is it a stable version or experimental? Any other ideas for cool qt apps that you would like on QtMoko? FoxtrotGPS? Regards. Griera. Regards Radek [1] http://qtmoko.sourceforge.net/debian/qtmoko_37-1_armel.deb ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: about the cases
On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:04:31 +0100 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Anyways, they aren't of big help since the components inserted into the case (earpiece, vibracall motor, speaker) are no longer produced or available. So we have to go the painful way of designing our own cases. But the good side is that we can improve on the outer shape and lookfeel. That's too bad, but the outer shape was awesome (except for the excessively huge bevel, there should be some, but not so much). The Freerunner has an awesome format to be held horizontally on your hands, with the pointer finger around the curve (a natural fit) and the thumbs to press on the surface. Too bad it's not good enough hardware to take that advantage in hands, but it's an awesome shape that Apple won't sue you for :) Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[QtMoko] new theme: MokoFaen
Hi people There is a new theme that I worked on: MokoFaen. It is the continuation of the work done on Faenqo/Faenqomod and it is inspired, in part, from the today smartphone GUIs (just to not say that... it shamelessly copies them ;) ). This theme is tested on QtMoko v35. I will flash the v37 on my Neo soon, I will submit updates if necessary for this version. Major changes from Faenqomod: - some icons updated from the recent release of Faenza icons set; - introduced new icons where needed; - a completely new Home theme [1]; - Dialer screen revised (bigger buttons but without the call-history and sms icons in the screen); You'll find the files/source (and some screenshots) here [2]. To install the theme extract MokoFaen.tar.gz and copy/merge the directory on your moko. Waiting for an enough brave man who can package it and upload it in qtmoko apps page (: As it is a sort of Faenqomod v2 I suppose that Faenqomod can be possibly deleted from the apps page. There is a question: some parts of the theme are taken from other works, IINW released under GPL2/3. Is it sufficient to attach the GPL license in the source? Best regards Joif [1] you can return to the classic view simply by replacing (in /opt/qtmoko/etc/themes/mokofaen/) home.xml with home_classic.xml. Also you can disable the clock by commenting out its lines in home.xml. It could be cute to have a proper option to do these in the appearance app. [2] http://db.tt/8KF7DHRp -- View this message in context: http://openmoko-public-mailinglists.1958.n2.nabble.com/QtMoko-new-theme-MokoFaen-tp7085707p7085707.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v37 for GTA02
On Monday 12 December 2011 11:45:23 GRiera wrote: Is it a stable version or experimental? It should be stable, i dont think there are any changes that could break something. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v37 for GTA02
Hi Radek thank to you and to all the QtMoko developers and contributors for the great work! I would submit my wishlist: - WiFi and GPS icons in the title bar; - a third button in the context bar, maybe for the keyboard; - SMS and Internet/WiFi in the home screen; - qtmoko start/stop script: at least in v35 (and previous versions) if I call /etc/init.d/qtmoko with restart it doesn't work properly (most of the time I have to turn off the Neo). But calling qtmoko stop and then qtmoko start works pretty well. I don't know if it is the same script but in the Quit Menu (the menu that you recall with the power button) Restart QtMoko has a similar behaviour (I have to turn off the Neo). If it is so, think to replace restart qtmoko with qtmoko stop/start script. Regards Joif ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] HP contributes webOS software to the open source community
As a webos user (try to help to port SHR on it) I can say it is a really great/pleasant mobile OS but with some bad point that could be improved if it is really open-sourced. For me SHR or QTMoko should takes the card metaphor idea. It is really THE thing for me + the gesture handling, and both can be taken. I personally would love to be able to adapt these in Enlightenment. 2011/12/10 Alex Samorukov m...@os2.kiev.ua On 12/10/2011 07:48 PM, urodelo wrote: words, HP will keep the control of the development. Do they think they can still get anything ($$) from webOS? If not, why they didn't let everything in the hands of the community? I've never used webos devices, just red articles about Palm devs, comments, etc, but I believe that an open source webos could have a positive impact on openmoko community too. What do you think? I think it could be great. We alredy have one OS based on abandoned sources (QTMoko) and i am using it as primary OS for OpenMoko. WebOS is known to be commercial and stable operating system and it probably should work fine on onging GTA04 effort. __**_ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/**mailman/listinfo/communityhttp://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: about the cases
Am 12.12.2011 um 11:12 schrieb Radek Polak: On Monday 12 December 2011 10:04:31 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Anyways, they aren't of big help since the components inserted into the case (earpiece, vibracall motor, speaker) are no longer produced or available. Would it be possible to find replacements and solder them on the PCB? E.g. placing the earpiece in new case could be mechanically very tricky. If it was soldered it could be much easier. Yes, this should not be difficult. E.g. (not checked for the specs): http://www.knowles.com/search/subcat23.htm?x_sub_cat_id=23 http://de.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Knowles-Acoustics/CM-28421-000/?qs=iTHNLyg2fuW36uXum0RCcA%3d%3d Knowles did buy the speaker division of NXP which originally was the speaker division of Philips (and the original GTA part is a Philips). I would try to wire these components up with two small flexible wires. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: about the cases
On Monday 12 December 2011 12:10:00 openm...@pulster.de wrote: Last but not least my respect and thanks to Radek - he is kind of alien for me. So many releases, ideas and effords for Openmoko, incredible. So Radek, do you need sleep like any human being ? I think you are overestimating it. I am just often writing big changelogs ;-) Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko docs online
Hi, --- On Sun, 12/11/11, dmatthews.org m...@dmatthews.org wrote: At first it looked a bit doubtful that this had gone cleanly, but after the reboot I have the new big keyboard which is great. A wish list would be to add a few extra keys and make it useful with the terminal - I'm thinking tab complete, ^ for bash history and / path separator. The new keyboard with big keys is the first version of such idea. So, obviously, you could find bugs. We just took another keyboard code, removed some stuff, did the keys bigger, and added the autorotate. I was thinking on that idea for sms only (I use it much with mobile communications prices in Argentina). Another extra idea for this keyboard is to remove the number keys. What do you think?. That would do the keys bigger yet, which is the main goal of this new thing. Regards, Rafa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v37 for GTA02
Hi Radek, --- On Sun, 12/11/11, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: Hi, after a small delay i am happy to announce QtMoko v37 also for Freerunner. Thanks a lot for this version. As many of us think : you keep my Freeruner phone alive :) * autorotation script (Rafael Ignacio Zurita) Somebody asked me how it works : To turn on or off the autorotation feature the user will find the ON/OFF options in the services list (where you find wifi on/off, gps on/off, etc). Rafa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v37 for GTA02
On Monday 12 December 2011 12:31:59 fdvj...@vodafone.it wrote: Hi Radek thank to you and to all the QtMoko developers and contributors for the great work! I would submit my wishlist: - WiFi and GPS icons in the title bar; - a third button in the context bar, maybe for the keyboard; - SMS and Internet/WiFi in the home screen; - qtmoko start/stop script: at least in v35 (and previous versions) if I call /etc/init.d/qtmoko with restart it doesn't work properly (most of the time I have to turn off the Neo). But calling qtmoko stop and then qtmoko start works pretty well. I don't know if it is the same script but in the Quit Menu (the menu that you recall with the power button) Restart QtMoko has a similar behaviour (I have to turn off the Neo). If it is so, think to replace restart qtmoko with qtmoko stop/start script. I have fixed some restart problems with this commit: https://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/commit/d8b0cd81d5129404146bff4acb2750b08620af77 but maybe it wasnt enough... The wishlist looks nice and should not be that hard to implement. I hope i will have some time during Christmas. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: about the cases
Am 12.12.2011 um 11:05 schrieb Fernando Martins: On 12/12/2011 10:04 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: So we have to go the painful way of designing our own cases. But the good side is that we can improve on the outer shape and lookfeel. Yes, I think that makes sense, but the cost of the moulds seems to be a major roadblock in the road of reasonably priced devices when done in small numbers. I was asking because my brother lives in a region in Portugal known for manufacturers of moulds, China being one of typical destinations. I asked him what he knew about this business and the main issue seems indeed to be very high cost of the moulds whereas the plastic products cost merely cents. Unfortunately, as mentioned by Patryck in the other reply, moulds also need to be rectified after some time, and even this cost can be too high. And, it seems that to make a single mould, it can in fact require more than one iteration. I was a bit surprised about this last one as I thought NPC tools could make the mould exactly according to spec but he did not know what were the issues. My brother did not know specific costs but he heard on past informal conversations of costs on the orders of many thousands of Euros. Did you get to any figures yourself? Yes - 2 - 5 EUR range. Or even more depending on surface quality and number of details. The main reason appears to be that the mould is a single unit production itself. I.e. all development cost is included in the price. And it is a mechanical masterpiece to get the plastics cool fast enough but not too fast and have the plasic parts finally fall out. I am in favour of Radek's wooden experiments. Anyone done 3D cutting with wood? Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: about the cases
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Am 12.12.2011 um 11:05 schrieb Fernando Martins: Did you get to any figures yourself? Yes - 2 - 5 EUR range. Or even more depending on surface quality and number of details. The main reason appears to be that the mould is a single unit production itself. I.e. all development cost is included in the price. And it is a mechanical masterpiece to get the plastics cool fast enough but not too fast and have the plasic parts finally fall out. I am in favour of Radek's wooden experiments. Anyone done 3D cutting with wood? Did you talk to Evil Dragon how they got the case for Open Pandora designed. I think their first run is only 4000 units. Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko docs online
Hi Rafa The new keyboard with big keys is the first version of such idea. So, obviously, you could find bugs. I think it is a great improvement to qtmoko as it is already. Personally, I'd like to see extra keys to make it useful on the console as well as for sms. At the moment there are 2 views with different keys, using sh to move between them. maybe there is an option of a third view which had the numbers + important stuff for the console (tab complete, bash history, path separator) on a third view. I think then the other keyboards would be no longer necessary and the slightly irritating procedure to switch between them would be done away with as well. -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: about the cases
Am 12.12.2011 um 14:17 schrieb rakshat hooja: On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Am 12.12.2011 um 11:05 schrieb Fernando Martins: Did you get to any figures yourself? Yes - 2 - 5 EUR range. Or even more depending on surface quality and number of details. The main reason appears to be that the mould is a single unit production itself. I.e. all development cost is included in the price. And it is a mechanical masterpiece to get the plastics cool fast enough but not too fast and have the plasic parts finally fall out. I am in favour of Radek's wooden experiments. Anyone done 3D cutting with wood? Did you talk to Evil Dragon how they got the case for Open Pandora designed. I think their first run is only 4000 units. Yes. It did cost them a lot of money and made grey hair... IMHO, they did take a lot of risk deciding to produce 4000 units without knowing if there is enough demand. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: about the cases
On Dec 12, 2011 13:09 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: I am in favour of Radek's wooden experiments. Anyone done 3D cutting with wood? Indeed it looks more and more like a good option, even exciting when one thinks of artistic potential (e.g., varnish, engraving and even marquetry as an extreme moding option). I could even see a fashion trend starting with OpenMoko :) Actually I did some simple works with a wood router but all I need were straight lines with different cutting patterns. I didn't use a guide template which probably would be needed in this case. Personally, I would still prefer to pay some artisan to do it for me, cost dependent. Two questions that occur to me: Which types of wood would be more suitable? Light but resistant to impact. How much time would be needed to do a case, from cutting, maybe gluing, polishing, varnishing as a routine task? Or, what would be the cost then? Regards, Fernando ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] new theme: MokoFaen
Hi Joif, 2011/12/12 Joif fdvj...@vodafone.it: There is a new theme that I worked on: MokoFaen. Thanks for doing such job. As it is a sort of Faenqomod v2 I suppose that Faenqomod can be possibly deleted from the apps page. I've not yet tested it, but for what I saw in screenshots, this theme follow different ideas from previous one. I suggest to keep both themes available. As they are quite differents, people can prefer one or the other. IMHO, a revision of a theme is something that just improve sizes, colors or icons. Since it change the location of buttons, it is something more than a revision. Thanks again for contributing this so important aspect of software: the polished UI. -- Guilhem BONNEFILLE -=- JID: gu...@im.apinc.org MSN: guilhem_bonnefi...@hotmail.com -=- mailto:guilhem.bonnefi...@gmail.com -=- http://nathguil.free.fr/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v37 for GTA02
On Monday 12 December 2011 13:53:26 GRiera wrote: Hi: I tried to upgrade using the command: root@neo:~# apt-get update apt-get upgrade But I get the following error: ...Err http://qtmoko.sourceforge.net/debian/ qtmoko 37-1 404 Not Found Thanks a lot. Regards. Hi, i hope it's fixed now. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: about the cases
On Monday 12 December 2011 14:09:56 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: I am in favour of Radek's wooden experiments. Anyone done 3D cutting with wood? I have made wooden milling machine with 2 stepper motors which will be controlled from arduino/GTA04. But i have to wait until i find arduino and milling cutter under Christmas tree ;-) I wonder if Rene has some results - his tools looked much more advanced then mine. Btw my friend was laughing at the idea of wooden case, but when he saw it in real he quickly changed mind. Touching wood is very pleasant compared to plastic/alu. I hope i will have some results in a few weeks - my Freerunner definitely deserves new case :) Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] HP contributes webOS software to the open source community
For me SHR or QTMoko should takes the card metaphor idea. It is really THE thing for me + the gesture handling, and both can be taken. I personally would love to be able to adapt these in Enlightenment. It's already done in elfe but requires a 24 or 32bit framebuffer. *)enable elfe and disable illume-home *)enable compositing *)bind the key for switching to the card mode *)press that key Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] HP contributes webOS software to the open source community
In my point of view it is about time HP is contributing to the opensource community. For several years and still do they have only supported M$ especially in their datacenters. HP even call you be phone asking you to migrate from open source to another platform (read M$). Believe me I have been called! HP uses a lot of opensource in their apps. especially Postgresql, so it's about time!! Poul *Nix Sysadm. 2011/12/12 Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli gnu...@no-log.org: For me SHR or QTMoko should takes the card metaphor idea. It is really THE thing for me + the gesture handling, and both can be taken. I personally would love to be able to adapt these in Enlightenment. It's already done in elfe but requires a 24 or 32bit framebuffer. *)enable elfe and disable illume-home *)enable compositing *)bind the key for switching to the card mode *)press that key Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v37 for GTA02
- SMS and Internet/WiFi in the home screen; just to avoid misunderstanding, I mean the launchers like the others in the home screen, not the indicators like those in the title bar. Regards Joif ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: about the cases
Hi, list. There are 2 covers for gta02 made of plastic and are too thick (~ 2.5 mm). If it were possible to make them out of aluminum (0.5-1mm), we would have a slim and elegant case for our phone.. No other changes needed.. Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller писал 12.12.2011 12:04: Am 12.12.2011 um 09:51 schrieb Patryk Benderz: Dnia 2011-12-11, nie o godzinie 23:36 +0100, Fernando Martins pisze: Hi, Out of curiosity would it be possible to recover the original moulds used to produce the cases? Anybody knows what happened to them? Good question, however moulds are designed to produce certain amount of cases. Looking at how much was made, moulds can be at end of their lives. AFAIK they have been made in 2006 or 2007 for the Neo1973 (and have been slightly modified for the GTA02). So I think they have been made within FIC and since FIC was finally the manufacturing subcontractor of Openmoko, Inc. I think they could be somewhere within FIC. Or have been scrapped there after some years of not being used. Anyways, they aren't of big help since the components inserted into the case (earpiece, vibracall motor, speaker) are no longer produced or available. So we have to go the painful way of designing our own cases. But the good side is that we can improve on the outer shape and lookfeel. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: about the cases
Am 13.12.2011 um 05:50 schrieb Yury Sakarinen: Hi, list. There are 2 covers for gta02 made of plastic and are too thick (~ 2.5 mm). Do you have some photos to share? If it were possible to make them out of aluminum (0.5-1mm), we would have a slim and elegant case for our phone.. No other changes needed.. Aluminium could also be a nice material, although 0.5-1mm is quite weak, IMHO. Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller писал 12.12.2011 12:04: Am 12.12.2011 um 09:51 schrieb Patryk Benderz: Dnia 2011-12-11, nie o godzinie 23:36 +0100, Fernando Martins pisze: Hi, Out of curiosity would it be possible to recover the original moulds used to produce the cases? Anybody knows what happened to them? Good question, however moulds are designed to produce certain amount of cases. Looking at how much was made, moulds can be at end of their lives. AFAIK they have been made in 2006 or 2007 for the Neo1973 (and have been slightly modified for the GTA02). So I think they have been made within FIC and since FIC was finally the manufacturing subcontractor of Openmoko, Inc. I think they could be somewhere within FIC. Or have been scrapped there after some years of not being used. Anyways, they aren't of big help since the components inserted into the case (earpiece, vibracall motor, speaker) are no longer produced or available. So we have to go the painful way of designing our own cases. But the good side is that we can improve on the outer shape and lookfeel. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: about the cases
On 12/12/2011 04:05 AM, Fernando Martins wrote: On 12/12/2011 10:04 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: So we have to go the painful way of designing our own cases. But the good side is that we can improve on the outer shape and lookfeel. Yes, I think that makes sense, but the cost of the moulds seems to be a major roadblock in the road of reasonably priced devices when done in small numbers. I was asking because my brother lives in a region in Portugal known for manufacturers of moulds, China being one of typical destinations. I asked him what he knew about this business and the main issue seems indeed to be very high cost of the moulds whereas the plastic products cost merely cents. Unfortunately, as mentioned by Patryck in the other reply, moulds also need to be rectified after some time, and even this cost can be too high. And, it seems that to make a single mould, it can in fact require more than one iteration. I was a bit surprised about this last one as I thought NPC tools could make the mould exactly according to spec but he did not know what were the issues. My brother did not know specific costs but he heard on past informal conversations of costs on the orders of many thousands of Euros. Did you get to any figures yourself? Regards, Fernando ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community What about the 3D printers nowadays? Don't know about cost, etc. for production, but for prototyping it might work out. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v37 for GTA02
Hi Radek, as this seems to become the freerunner wishlist for qtmoko I would like to add: - SMS writing in Landscape in fullscreen mode (for my big thumbs I need all the space I can get to have the keys separated ;-) ) - Big SMS Keyboard Layout which can be as edited as the qtmoko themes, making it a bit prettier and maybe allow the user to scale its height - Like the android On/Off gadged for the home screen an On/Off for Wifi (which then tries to connect to any of the preconfigured wifi spots), for GPS, and maybe one for cycling through 3 brightness levels - Maybe for the on/off list in the gears part have it as layouted as: task / on / off (which one of the former being different in color to show the actual status) Maybe to get little skilled users involved the last point could be even made as a template where you write down how it would be acchieved for a single task and make a reference where on finds all the other commands and someone like me fills the list and sends you the finished template back. As many of the list your effort is really appreciated but we all have the fear that at some point you might consider it to be too time consuming. So like with the themes if there are little things which can be altered by the standard user it will even more increase the popularity of your distro. best regards and a great christmas season to you robin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
