Re: 99
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:11:59 +0200 Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The prices for GTA02 and the debug board are $399 and $99, respectively. While there's nothing wrong with charging exactly 99 dollars for something, the practice of reducing a round price by one dollar, AKA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_pricing is often associated with cheap marketing tricks, trying to make the price look less than it is and so on. In my opinion, admitting that a hundred is a hundred and charging $400 and $100 for GTA02 and the debug board would fit better into the OpenMoko spirit of openness and transparency. Especially when most of the other prices out there end with 95 or 99, a round price tag will send a message: “We're honest with you and aren't messing with your mind like others do”. nice thought /sign ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner
hmm, a question regarding the stylus. i have a mda compact now, which has where you can store the stylus in the case of the phone, like most pdas with windoze on it. the stylus on the pics doesn't really look like if it could fit somewhere i the phone. does this mean i always have to carry it along with the telephone somewhere in my pockets? daniel On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:38:20 -0700 Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember, Steve is still deciding what to include in the box. These are just a bunch of stuff that fit, from which he is making decisions: http://quickstart.openmoko.org/photographs/ If someone with more skills than me at web page design would like to turn this into a nice web page with thumbnails etc. I would welcome the assistance. I have to get back to upgrading GTA01 firmware, testing GTA02 samples, and shipping all of these items. You don't need my permission - download these photographs, they are direct copies of my originals, and create what you want. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Vienna - group order
Willing to build a group for ordering here in vienna, austria - maybe austria in general. pls contact me directly to my gmx account. daniel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vienna - group order
Jay Vaughan omg jay bist du das? :D daniel aka slite : ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Barometric altimeter on 'future' Freerunner ?
On Sat, 17 May 2008 17:21:20 +0200 Erland Lewin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A 3 axis magnetometer (compass) would also be a cool thing to have on the phone. I vote for a railgun ^^ sry : ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: PIN secured?
On Wed, 21 May 2008 14:11:16 +0200 Roland Häder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have already started a discussing in the Wiki about this topic: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Wish_List_-_Hardware#PIN_secured.3F So what do you think? And does the FreeRunner already have PINs/PUKs to be secured against long fingers? Afaik PIN and PUK are security mechanisms built into every GSM SIM-Card, you also get them shipped with the SIM, not the Phone. So i think the Freerunner _has to_ implement PIN and PUK for even accessing the SIM in it. rgds Daniel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
order from pulster
Hi, I have a small question. I ordered a freerunner @ pulster on 27th of june. Until now i just got an autoreply from their orderingsystem. Got no paying info, information when i can expect the phone or anything else. I tried to write a reply to them one week ago begging for some info, no answer either. Can any of you, who ordered about the same time, confirm this lack of info, or is it just me? regards daniel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm neo to 3.5mm stereo adaptor
yeah but the distances don't match on a 2 ring adapter. L and R Channel won't contact on the right place i think, but not sure. try it ;) i`m intresting in finding the right adapter too. I had one of those 2ring adapters on my MDA Compact which also has 4 contacts on it's 2.5 headset plug. Delivered me perfect stereo sound on my 3.5 headphones. Can't guarantee that this also works on the FR though, still waiting for mine. rgds ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Which distribution to start with? - Noob question alert
I'll receive my long awaited freerunner in the next few days, and still wondering which distribution to go for for daily use. I read a lot on the mailinglist, but im still completely lost in the nothingness of space : Which distribution should i go for to start with. Sure i will try my way trough all of them, but as my old phone is broken and i borrowed one from a friend of mine, who want's it back soon, i would like to have a distribution to start with and learn which is actually useable, at least for making calls and sms. Which would you prefer to start with, to learn the internals of the freerunner, experiment with wifi, gprs and stuff before taking a look on the other releases, while still have a useable phone. I'm thinging of one of ASU, FSO M2, Qtopia and Debian. One short question for the last 2 options. Qtopia: Are the system internas, wifi, grps, bluetooth and stuff configured and handled the same way or is completely different, as it is from Trolltech? Debian: I couldn't manage to definitely finding out if the debian distribution is actually useable as a phone or if it's just a pure debian which doesn't handle the telephony aspect of the phone at all. Or should i still consider using the 2007 or SHR release to begin with the phone, despite the fact that they are mainly based on the old gtk apps which will likely be abondoned in the future, aren't they? Sorry for the shitload of noob questions, and big thanks if someone finds the time to answer some of them ^^ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
2008.8 raster + zecke, great useability, and remaining flaws
First of all i want to thank raster for his _great_ 2008.8 image, especially for the keyboard. (In fact i didn't recognize much more changes, but im playin with it for 2 days now, so i'm sure i didn't see a lot) And zecke for his _great_ temporary repository for 2008.8. Without you we were nothing ;) (an of course big thanks to all other devs as well) These two make the freerunner actually useable as my daily phone with some small drawbacks i can live with for now. I was somewhat unsure if i could use it as a phone when flashing and trying the vanilla images of the various distros, but finally i'm very impressed by all your work. All of the images show big potential and promise a great future with lot of diversity and openness. I'm sure as soon as the whole bunch of freerunner buyers starts developing we will get an even more impressive and mature platform. Just to sum _my_ big flaws i discoverd in my first 2 days which somewhat annoy me: 1. Unstable suspend The phone tends to go to a sleeping beauty sleep and never wake up again for the next 100 years. (No call, no powerbutton, no nothing wakes it up, even tried to kiss it awake ^^, The kings of ancient times would have loved it if sleeping beauty had a battery to rip out of her back to reboot her) I just disabled suspend for now, as the battery lasts for about 6-8 hours when the screen is blanked. Thats enough for me, as i'm just jumping between computers my whole day where i can plug the FR. Remaining problem with this setup, even when the screen is locked, the display switches on when something touches it (pocket). Which reduces the battery life to about the half (calucated myself with output of battery_current_now). Idea: Would be nice if we could have a blank mode which only switches on the display with the aux button. If screen not locked - touch switches on, If screen locked - touch nothing - aux unlocks and switches on. Question: Is it somehow possible to disable screen touching manually and maybe script the event of the aux button in 2008.8 to reenable it? 2. Voice echo As some people already mentioned on the list, callers hear their echo, in addition to that when i play around with state files i tend to hear myself when talking (through the speaker, not as usual ;). I already fiddled around with alsa a bit (Control.5 'Mono Playback Volume') helped a bit, but not a lot. I thought that this should reduce speakervolume, which if my ears aren't completely crappy it didn't at all. Instead of that, if i push it to values smaller than 70 the other person doesn't hear me anymore. Why does a control named 'Mono Playback Volume' influence the recording of my voice? o.O I think the main reason for the echo is the loud speaker (i can hear it when the phone is a half meter away on my table if the other person speaks loud) which resubmits the other voice again. Did someone manage to get rid of this echo and how? (i already followed the trac ticket with only little benefit) Is there any detailed documentation what the alsa controlls really do as their name seems completely misleading? I will play around on my own when i have time and try to figure out which of the alsa controls really put down the speaker volume and which will help to reduce the echo. I'll let you know the results if any. Maybe some more reliable .state files should be included in the images, rather than the ones which are shiped now. 3. 2008.8 keyboard This is no issue which hits me because i use rasters image. But i, and i think a lot of other people would love to see the keyboard of rasters image on 2008.8. Either as default or changeable via illume-config. I also would love to have the qerty button visible by default. Despite that im very happy with the current status of the software, sure there are some glitches there and some bugs there, but i expected that and like it to see the steps forwared and have to hack a bit to get what i want. Big big congratulations to all the folks at openmoko and FIC, thanks for all the work you put into this and spare time you sacrificed for making this possible. I hope, we, the users and parttime developers and testers, can give a lot back to this project, that you can watch your child grow and be proud of it. Which is what we, as oss developers, really want for our projects. rgds daniel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OPIE on FreeRunner
I dont know if this question ever raised, but is there any effort in collaborating with the folks from OPIE [1]? I know their Gui is designed for Palms and iPaks and looks a lot like Windows Mobile. But they have a lot of mature apps like their integrated PIM suite and, networking support with plugins (wifi, ppp, irda, bt), todayscreen, filemanager, package manager, viewers, I have no technical background abount opie, if it is possible to bring those apps and maybe even the gui to the freerunner. (I could imagine zhone as a launcher icon inside opie [2] as it is on FSO). Which would give us a really nice and somewhat grown up environment which is already developed for mobile devices for a long time. [1] http://opie.handhelds.org [2] http://opie.handhelds.org/gallery/main.php/v/opie12/desktop_small_highlight.png.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Getting rid of echo for callers.
I've experimented with alsa settings for the last 3 hours and want to share my experience now. I was doing this on top of QTopia 4.3.2 and it's default gsmhandset.state file. The relevant mixer settings i found to, in my case completely eliminate the echo for the caller, are the following (Setting - Old Val - New Val): 'Speaker Playback Volume' 127 - 100 'Mono Playback Volume' 103 - 85 'Mono Sidetone Playback Volume' 2 - 0 'Bypass Playback Volume' 7 - 5 'Mic2 Capture Volume' 0 - 3 This settings removes the echo for the other person completely, at least for my hardware. I didn't hear any buzz either on my final testcalls, could be luck. The last thing remaining, is a bit of selfecho, which was also reduced with this settings but not away. (was as loud as the echo on the other phone with qtopia default gsmhandset.state). But didn't get away completely, but the other side doesn't hear anything of it. I also attach my gsmhandset.state for the case other distros have a different default file. (I was to lazy to check against .state of every distribution) If anyone has a configuration where he doesn't hear echo of himself talking at all, please please please provide me with an .state file, to check which controls are responsible for that! rgds Daniel gsmhandset.state Description: Binary data ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
QTopia 4.3.2 resume on incomming SMS bug
Don't know really where to post this, so i do it here, maybe someone can point me to the right place. QTopia 4.3.2 suspended and resumed perfectly for me for a whole day now, which is the most i ever got out of my freerunner until now without breaking gsm or sleeping forever at some point. Resume works perfectly with calls. The only thing i recognized is, when receiving an sms while in suspend, the phone resumes, but doesn't notify me about an incoming sms, and when i go to the messaging app, there is nothing new in the inbox. In fact i know 'something' arrived, because the phone woke up from suspend. All messages which were received during suspend 'arrive' when the first sms comes in while the phone is awake. Sent 3 sms during suspend (always waited between until the phone suspended again), no alert. Wake the phone up manually, no alert. Send the first sms while awake. Phone alerts me that i have received 4 new sms messages. Maybe someone can tell me where to report bugs in the QTopia image. rgds Daniel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Getting rid of echo for callers.
Ok, to clarify some of the questions in the followups, some additional info, some of it could also be found here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues#Poor_Audio_Quality also with some different tweaks to settings, but the same controls. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues#Better_mixer_settings These .state files are files where mixersettings for alsa are stored in. These .state files are stored at /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios. These .state files have specified names and are loaded at specified events. For example gsmhandset.state is loaded every time you start make/receive a phone call without a headset plugged in. (gsmheadset.state gets loaded when you make/receive a phone call with headset plugged) Don't exactly know what the others are for, maybe the is some info on the wiki. Adjusting this settings with a GUI (e.g. alsamixer) _only_ works when a phone call is actively running and is lost when the call ends. In order to store them and use them on every call, you have to manually edit gsmhandset.state in the directory specified above. (do this by ssh to the phone) In my opinion alsamixer is pretty unuseable with the freerunner as it shuffles aroud between the .state files in /scenarios all the time and overwrites your changed settings. Answers to specific questions: 1. As for hearing the other person, it was quite a quiet environment and tested with one phone on the one and the other on the other ear. But it sounded loud enough for me. Will do a test outside today. May be necessary to tweak the settings, but should be good values to start with. Maybe also Hardware depending. 2. The state file is loaded aka refreshed on beginning of every phonecall without a headset Ok, i hope i haven't forgotten anything, don't hesitate to ask :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Getting rid of echo for callers.
Sry, but saying alsamixer is unuseable was a damn ugly lie ^^ In fact it is extremely helpfull to experiment with the settings while a phone call is active and the other person can tell you if it get's better. 1. SSH into the Phone (Info about that on the wiki) 2. start alsamixer. Make a call to someone (you notice all controls change, thats when the gsmhandset.state file is loaded) - fiddle around with the mentioned settings until you have what you want. 3. exit alsamixer 4. call 'alsactl store -f gsmhandsetnew.state' 5. you can now diff the files and do whatever you want ^^ 6. If you want to apply them for every call just rename gsmhandsetnew.state to gsmhandset.state and backup the old file. The controls have the same names within alsamixer, just without the Volume if a recall correctly. The only thing i couldn't find in alsamixer was Mic2 Capture Volume, but i'm quite sure i just didn't look for it enough. rgds Daniel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Getting rid of echo for callers.
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Mav [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks a lot for your trick The echo is now gone on Qtopia 4.3.2 and it's really a good news As someone said, I can barely hear my correspondant but I guess it's only a tune in the gsmhandset.state (I also tried to increase the Mono Bypass level to 100 but it's not really improving situation (I will try with more than 100) Yea, i tried these settings in real life conditions today, and also must admit, that it is too silent for both sides. I think this should be fixed by taking my original settings, and just putting up 'Speaker Playback Volume to about 110 (should make the speaker on the freerunner louder) and 'Mono Playback Volume' to 90-95 which should make oneself louder for the other side. (Yes i know that sounds silly as the control is called Playback Volume, but that is what i recognized yesterday, lowering Mono Playback makes us more silent for the other person. Have to confirm this again but i'm quite sure) I just do this from memory, i will do my tests this tomorrow. I think some repeating tuning will be nesecarry to fit every condition, and maybe some echo isn't avoidable until we have more advanced techniques to get rid of it. But in my case this is a more than good improvement compared to default settings. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 solved
Please apply. When can we expect this fix in the various distros? When will it be in 2008.8-update, zecke, qtopia stock and FSO. Statements of people involved into that highly appreciated ;) rgds daniel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 solved
Clean install off OM2008.08-update + opkg upgrade (no updates as the newest image flashed). Installed you package with -force-downgrade. strings libficgta01vendor.so | grep N0187 prints out the desired AT command, so it's the right lib for sure. Switched of the phone. Booted it up. Prevented it from going to suspend, just to be sure nothing reinits the calypso. Echo still persists as before. :/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtopia update
Thanks a lot for the update and the info on qtopia 4.4. rgds daniel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtopia update
Ok, flashed the image 2 hours ago and did my first tests. And i have to admit, this is by far the best image, in terms of phone usability, my freerunner has seen so far ^^ 1. Perfect suspend/resume behavior. No crashes or sleep forever conditions so far. 2. Echo almost gone completely while still having loud voice. (Just a very short echo when the other person stops speaking, like the last letter of the last word) 3. No buzz at all, but i also had very few problems with this on the other images. Only 2 real issues found so far: 1. Every time i receive a call, after answering it, the phone immediately shows another incoming call from the same person. This doesn't interrupt the active call and 2 seconds later turns into an unanswered call. The hangup button of the phonegui stays at Answer. So i have to do Options - End to hang up. On the other phone you hear the dialtone again for about 1 sec immediately after answering the call on the FR. Maybe this has something to do with that. 2. No Network Searching for Network messages still appear quite often although the Network is up and FR can receiver calls and sms. Bot things are not really bad and don't really harm functionality. Maybe interesting too: Echo suppression didn't work on the first call after booting into QTopia the first time. Echo was still there as before. On the next call (maybe after the first suspend?) the echo was gone. I'll do more tests on that in the evening. Hope i can reproduce that. Interestingly Florian Hackenbergers patch for 2008.08 didn't work for me at all. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Cannot ssh to Freerunner
If your host is in the same subnet (and has a ethernetcard too), you should use subnetmask 255.255.255.248 for connecting to the freerunner. Otherwise the kernel tries to send out the packages for the freerunnner over your networkcard. (thats what i think, but i'm no network pro ;) - they never reach your freerunner plugged on usb. rgds daniel On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:06:49 +0200 Nicolas Linkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I might be a bit retarded (one never knows), but for the life of it I cannot ssh into the FR: Host IP: 192.168.0.101 DNS: 192.168.0.100 On the host I do as root: ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] No route to host ... ? Oh, this is the most recent QT Extended plus the current mwester kernel. Is there a fundamental error somewhere? Thanks in advance for enlighten me, best regards, Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
