ian douglas writes:
>Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>> Much better to get resolv.conf, along with IP address, from DHCP.
>
>Typically, I'd agree -- except the Freerunner doesn't get its IP from
>DHCP for the USB port, which is where pretty much all of the DNS
>questions co
arne anka writes:
>> Yes, but I'd like it to use DHCP for its usb IP address, as well.
>
>what stops you? the dhcp client will overwrite resolv.conf, then.
This is actually a reprise of a discussion a week or so ago -- as a
matter of fact, that is what I do. But, since it's not set up that way
in
Their description of the Samsung F700 as their first touchpad phone
is interesting. I've got an i300 on my belt...
They also need a native English speaker to do a spelling-and-grammar
check on their site.
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xnike writes:
>I just want to know is it good idea to use qt4 (not Qtopia) for
>OpenMoko's apps?
Probably not, unless you've got a compelling reason to use it.
Openmoko itself is GTK-based, so a non-GTK application will require
lots of extra libraries on a platform that really doesn't have much
r
Hurray! This is fantastic news.
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Florent THIERY writes:
>> If you're about Macromedia Flash (er, now Adobe), isn't it closed
>> source?
>
>The neo has a closed source real time OS running the GSM part...
OS? It's been said pretty consistently that it's a user-mode daemon.
Still one more piece of closed source software than I lik
Dean Collins writes:
>I think Florent's point is that your argument is moot; You can rant an
>rave all you want but at the end of the day functionality is more
>important than all open source.
It's too early in the morning for me... for some reason when I saw
GSM I read GPS, and my comment about
Florent THIERY writes:
>
>Do you have ideas/comments (mainly regarding the devices' resources)?
>
>We may gain UI design simplicity this way.
Very cool stuff. My guess is that we've only seen a tiny fraction of
the neat fuse-based filesystems that are going to be created; a
fuse file system reall
Ian Stirling writes:
>Sander van Grieken wrote:
>>> Ian Stirling wrote:
>>> That's not solely robustness though, air resistance helps lots too.
>>
>> Hmm do you propose a furry casing?
>
>I have in the past proposed little legs and arms like seen in the adverts.
>Fur would just be fun.
>However.
>
Hans L writes:
>I know at least one simple fix for shaving off a few grams. IMO there
>is really no reason to have *two* speakers in the phone. Take one
>out. AFAIK Stereo sound works best when the sources are far apart,
>but in this case they are essentially coming from the same point in
>space
Rockmen Jack writes:
>Hi, All
> How much we can control NEO1973 via a PC, for example make call, send SMS,
>just like SiMoCo controls Siemens phones?
> Will openmoko provide some APIs/Interface for us to write a software?
We'll have complete access to the source code. Anything that doesn't
have
Frank Coenen writes:
>On 5/10/07, Aloril <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Small battery-powered USB charger:
>> http://www.ladyada.net/make/mintyboost/
>> I assume above should be able to charge Neo1973?
>
>
>No it won't be able to charge the Neo1973, since it doesn't identify itself
>as a USB2.0 h
Ian Stirling writes:
>
>Unless you apply the soon-to-be-created patch that someone (maybe me)
>will write that draws 500mA anyway, if the host does not talk USB1 to us
>in 10 seconds.
>Maybe even with a confirmation dialog box.
But a USB 2.0 host will talk 1.1 quite happily...
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Steven Milburn writes:
>btw: That's only works if the port you connect to allows high power
>devices. Most laptops have only one physical port which will let you
>enumerate as a high power device, and sometimes even that port only allows
>it when you're plugged in. So, hopefully the phone will be
Jeff Andros writes:
>stupid gmail... sorry joe
No problem
>> > my thought was if you're going to provide a bluetooth remote... it
>> should probably be a universal one since you're jamming enough smarts to
>> work a bluetooth stack in... it'd be killer to have a gateway system that
>> makes every
Jim Thompson writes:
>aren't related (much) to openmoko, so I suggest we take these off-line,
>unless 'the list' decides they would rather watch/join the discussion
>here. (And yes, I agree that I contributed to the discussion going
>off-track.)
I for one have been interested (decades ago I w
Florent THIERY writes:
>
>I'm wondering why nobody seems to consider webkit as the viable
>alternative:
I'm sort of missing why you seem to feel webkit isn't a viable
alternative -- I've never worked with it at all, but you seem to be
giving a bunch of reasons why it's likely to be just that by th
Mark Eichin writes:
>Speaking of USB -- the openmoko has a USB device port on the side
>(that's being discussed in this thread) and internally has a USB host,
>according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Neo1973_Hardware#USB_Host
>but I what I haven't seen clarified - is the USB host port b
Since SPI is available for IO (near as I can tell), there's something
to be said for an "expansion back" that would have room for a bunch of
optional peripherals in some sort of standard form facter...
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For purposes of the regulations, what exactly is a "device"? If the
actual tranceiver is approved (and I assume it is), does that carry
approval for a phone using it?
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Ummm why did you post to the community list? This seems like a
squarely devel question. I'd suggest you repost to that list. I'm
following up to community since that's where the discussion started,
but if you'd like to take it to devel I'll happily follow.
Anyway, I don't have enough experi
Peter Hoffmann writes:
>Hi
>
>i just stumbled over a video at the google talks series[0] about
>information-efficient text entry using dasher[1].
>
>I think this is quite an interesting input method for mobile devices
>with touch screens or motion sensors. And it is open source and its user
>inter
Frankly, creating buzz about the product doesn't really seem like our
job... I'm just looking forward to getting one so I can get to
serious work on it!
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>This is rather cool. It still needs appropriate RF modules, but since it's a
>standard X86 PC motherboard, porting OpenMoko to it should be pretty easy.
Half the size of pico-ITX? Good grief. It's hard to even imagine a
PC motherboard that size.
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Sean Moss-Pultz writes:
>
>On Jun 11, 2007, at 6:36 AM, Miguel A. Torres wrote:
>>
>> * Integrated keyboard and directional pads are not mere luxuries,
>> but necessities. They allow for safe one hand operation while
>> reducing touchscreen stress. Touchscreens are fragile (get
>> scratched e
Milan Votava writes:
>You are all going to become slaves of capitalists (Sean on behalf of FIC).
>
>Better to support guys from xda-developers.com (like cr2) to make
>machines like HTC Universal a real free phones
Better to work on a machine in spite of the manufacturer rather than
with the m
Milan Votava writes:
>
>1/ 99% of this thread is about an unrealistic things to be
>implemented on a non existent (underpowered) device. Who in the World
>cares about things being discussed in this thread? People wants to
>use their pones, to make calls, send sms/mms/emails. I'm being tired
>to
Ortwin Regel writes:
>No, the PSP stick is crap. We don't really need anything analog, the
>touchscreen does that fine. What we could use are some decent, solid
>buttons and/or a d-pad.
>I could also see some applications for a Blackberry style wheel, for
>example volume control and scrolling. I do
Thomas Gstädtner writes:
>Yes, a kind of double rocker-push-button (is there a correct english word?
>^^) would be fine, too.
>Not two buttons, but one button with 2 contacts (one on each side) and a
>neutral position in mid.
>Here's a picture I found via google, to imagine what I mean:
>http://aws
Sean Moss-Pultz writes:
>
>Mickey and Harald blogged a bit about what's happening over here but
>I know it's not in the level of detail that you all are looking for.
>In less than a week, we will update you about what's going on at FIC/
>OpenMoko, the status of GTA01/02, and our plans for sell
Thanks for the information!
Decisions, decisions...
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Ryan Prior writes:
> If FIC/OpenMoko could run some sort of deal where I could buy the
> GTA01 for $300 and send it back in for a $150 or $200 upgrade when the
> GTA02 comes out, I would buy into that.
I wouldn't be making decisions at that point -- it'd be an absolute
no-brainer.
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Ryan Prior writes:
>Right, the only tough part is deciding whether to buy GTA01 hardware when I
>know that WiFi is coming, and I can still do development without the
>hardware. It would be really nice to have a phone, but I want to buy the one
>that I'd want to use the most. If I had plenty of mone
Very, very cool. I've been advocating quikwriting for a while now --
I'd be very interested in seeing a good useability comparison between
them.
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Open Source Specialist writes:
>How do I purchase a Neo Advanced ?
You wait until July 9 and find out?
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Kenshin writes:
>
>I think there is a huge benefict in addind a joystick and keypad to
>the OpenMoko. This would allow users to play old classics in
>emulators; run new (java) games and assign keyboard shortcuts.
>
>I don't think that adding a joystick and a keypad is a big
>technological endeauvou
Pranav Desai writes:
>
>So if the boards are sold separately, then will it be possible to use
>the GTA02 board with the phone screen and case that we are getting in
>July. That would help someone like me who dont want to buy a complete
>new phone in October, but would certainly like the wifi in the
Frederic Kettelhoit writes:
>Why wouldn't it be so easy? Take a d-pad and four buttons, make some holes
>in the top case and connect the buttons with the board. Where is the
>difficulty?
The part about retooling to do all that.
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Sure -- building your own case is a definite option. Modifying the
motherboard yourself isn't a practical option (I say that from the
perspective of somebody who has successfully soldered a couple of SMT
components by hand), but there are some unused connectors on there --
in particular an I2C, an
Al Johnson writes:
>I would have thought ipkg would make more sense as it's already used by most
>distros for handhelds, mainly because it has a smaller footprint than
>dpkg/apt or rpm/yum. There are several GUI frontends to this, but GPE-Package
>is probably a good starting point as it uses GTK
kkr writes:
>Le mercredi 04 juillet 2007 à 16:53 +0200, Frederic Kettelhoit a écrit :
>> the iPhone has a proximity sensor. But it is patented afaik.
>
>
>Since a long time, proximity sensors are used in robotics...
>
>So, how it's possible (for Apple) to patent it?
In the US, at present, there i
Derick Jones writes:
>Will the phones being sold on July 9th be available to anyone interested or
>only to developers? I am very interested in the phone and just confused as
>to who can order the phone on the 9th. I get mixed readings from various
>websites.
Available to anyone, but it's questiona
mathew davis writes:
>Here is an article I stubled upon while reading slash dot.
>http://news.com.com/Feds+snub+open+source+for+smart+radios/2100-1041_3-6195102.html?tag=nefd.lede
>It
>doesn't affect the neo1973 coming to america does it?
I wouldn't expect it to -- the GSM radio chip itself is clo
Ian Stirling writes:
>
>This is _NOT_ security by obscurity.
>This is an attempt at making transmitters that can do very bad things in
>the hands of users harder to obtain.
You've got some good points (which I've snipped), but it is *exactly*
security by obscurity. The released radio can do ille
I've now received quite a few copies of Andy Selby's comments on
what time the NEO will be released, as well as Nick Johnson's message
wanting UI designers involved.
Are we having trouble with our server? They're both from gmail -- is
there a gmail problem?
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Ryan Prior writes:
>Are my emails getting sent twice somehow? I'm using gmail, but have not
>noticed any duplication or errors.
Have you been noticing duplicates from other people? I haven't
noticed whether you've got one of the repeating messages (it isn't
twice -- it's something like hourly, so
I'm one of the ones getting a blank page response -- checking the
headers, I got an OK (200), but a 0-length message, back...
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Jae Stutzman writes:
>It seems that the state/province must be the 2 digit code...with all CAPS at
>least in US and Canada
Yes, that seems to be it -- thanks!
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Pranav Desai writes:
>
>I missed that option too ... can we specify it to someone now in order
>to get the correct color ... ?
*sigh*, me too -- I sent a response the the order confirmation
autoreply requesting black/silver.
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Sean Moss-Pultz writes:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1_FAQ
One suggestion would be to put this link in the footer of all list
messages. That might cut down on how F the Q's are A...
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Simon writes:
>I thought it was because everybody had finally ordered and were in
>catatonic waiting state...
>
>Like nobody got questions now, they wanna touch!
>
>Kindof like when you're a bunch of people around a table waiting for
>diner and then it arrives, silence around the table for like 5 m
Just a note since the people at openmoko said they've got a filter
preventing duplicate message IDs: the gmail problem is back. Their
posts are getting re-run over and over
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Rod Whitby writes:
>Is there anyone who is involved in hardware development and seriously
believes that the cost of an upgrade board (which necessarily will
have all the stuff like the LCD attached to it, cause they are not
end-user replaceable parts) will be any cheaper than the cost of a
whole ph
Brad Midgley writes:
>
>> only Spaniard here, do you know the meaning of 'Moko' in Spanish? It's hard
>> to tell people here about your great platform after they listen to its name!
>
>wasn't the chevrolet "nova" one of the last cars to be marketed by
>just one name worldwide? It wasn't such a grea
Ken Young writes:
>I ordered the neo1973 on the first day the openmoko.com site went
>live. Today I received a message, saying that to confirm the order,
>I must reply to the email with a message containing (as the first
>characters of an otherwise empty line) the string YES_I_DO . However,
Adam Krikstone writes:
>I'm with the idiots for a wireless carterfone decision. I don't think
>we were better off with with renting landline phones from AT&T. There's
>nothing stopping a GSM provider from blocking all unbranded IMEI's,
>including your neo.
I'll agree that not permitting lock
Adam Krikstone writes:
>It's the same as a lost or stolen GSM phone. You can have your provider
>block the IMEI from registering. You can still use that phone on
>another provider but not with the provider that blocked it. I would not
>put the idea of blocking foreign IMEI aside as a carrier
Joe Friedrichsen writes:
>On 7/14/07, Ortwin Regel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Shouldn't the spinner thing replace scrollbars, though? What else would it
>> be for?
>
>Here here! I very much like the idea of not having scrollbars. If
>anything, maybe a narrow indicator that shows relative positio
A Neo is being offered on ebay. With a buy-it-now price of $416.00.
Item No. 170129612124
Let's hope the top bid is, oh, $150.
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Robin Paulson writes:
>
>it's nothing to do with gmail. the reply-to field has not been set on
>the openmoko mail server, so replies to messages default to the
>sender. this is fine in most cases, but not on mailing lists
This has been discussed to death in the past, with no consensus on
what prop
Some iPhone flaws we should watch out for:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/17/iphone_phishing_risk/
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Gabriel Ambuehl writes:
>On Wednesday 18 July 2007 09:50:36 Giles Jones wrote:
>> > The matching object is shown on top and selectable. Size on those object
>> > can depend on number of matches and can be compacted in intelligent ways
>> > like: [contacts 3] [document 12] [apps 2]
>> That sounds ve
mokoNinja writes:
>Our Neos have FINALLY arrived at FIC America headquarters. We are
>now ready to ship.
>Thanks to FICA for the confirmation pictures:
>
>http://people.openmoko.org/ninjutsu/NeoArrived.mp4
>or
>http://youtube.com/watch?v=Dsvyr656c78
Whoo hoo! This is great!
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Giles Jones writes:
>
>If it's just notifications then you can have a notification daemon
>which any application can register it's events with. The preferences
>for this would allow something like Play Sound, Display Message,
>Flash backlight, Vibrate, Power off, Run script, Run command or do
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>I think you guys need to have a little more patience. If your phone
>doesn't get
>to you RIGHT NOW the world is not going to end. You'll have plenty of time
>after your phone gets to you to play with it. Relax, have a coffee and a
>danish and everything will be fine.
Alessandro Iurlano writes:
>
>If you want to search for information you can try my Google custom
>search engine. It is available at
>http://aiurlano.netsons.org/OpenMoko/
>
>It can search into the wiki, mailing lists and the other official
>sites in a single query.
Nice! Hmmm, if it were only ava
OK turned out
/home/pfeiffer/.firefox/default/jornrz13.slt/searchplugins
was the right place to put it. Works great!
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Jeff Rush writes:
>
>Mailing lists aren't exactly fading away, and many people dislike forums. In
>this case, it won't help if those with questions i.e. users flock to the
>forums, if those with the answers, the more core developers use mailing lists.
>You'll need community concensus, or a team to
Joe Friedrichsen writes:
>On 7/22/07, Mickael Faivre-Macon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> What about creating a google group ?
>> You can still receive each mail individually if you want, or watch it
>> as a forum.
>> Everybody is happy.
>
>And have the threaded view for those that want it. You can
Myk Melez writes:
>Update: I just received a "payment received" message. It says they'll
>send out my order ASAP and will notify me again when it's been sent.
>Sounds like it'll go out too late for me to receive it before heading
>off for OSCON tomorrow afternoon, unfortunately.
That would be
Giles Jones writes:
>Florent THIERY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
>
>> Interesting blog post when you consider the custom cases possibility:
>>
>> http://trevors-trinkets.blogspot.com/2007/07/five-finger-keyboards.html
>
>Always better sticking with the convention 0-9 abc def type keyboard. Anything
Jason Elwell writes:
>http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2007/07/hands-on-with-t.html
Thanks for posting that -- certainly whetted my appetite.
It's also interesting that the author of the article didn't quite
understand which decisions have been made, and which are pending: he
didn't seem to und
Giles Jones writes:
>Ian Stirling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
>
>
>> > I'd much sooner see OLED buttons where the text can change to suit the
>> task.
>>
>> Those are quite expensive per.
>
>True, we're not talking about this model or the next.
>
>I would sooner see a limited number of adaptable k
Marco Barreno writes:
>On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 10:42:01PM +0200, thus spake Andreas Kostyrka:
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Ok, putting on my Postmaster hat, could you please provide Message Ids
>> and headers for messages from heaven.kostyrka.org that were sent
>> dupl
Joe Pfeiffer writes:
>Marco Barreno writes:
>>On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 10:42:01PM +0200, thus spake Andreas Kostyrka:
>>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>> Ok, putting on my Postmaster hat, could you please provide
Krzysztof Kajkowski writes:
>
>Mine isn't shipped yet ;(
Mine shipped last night. Currently between San Pablo CA and
Albuquerque, NM. ETA is Monday.
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Harrison Metzger writes:
>Many people (including I) have not been able to get the at&t 3g sim card
>(the one with the "3g fireball") working in our neos. The older cingular
>ones do work (they are "64K smart chip"). I dont care if it does 2g, I would
>like for my at&t sim card to work in the phone.
Alex Riesen writes:
>#2001: shipped to Germany (and according to UPS is awaiting customs
>clearance)! Seem to have taken only 2 days: 27 left US, 28 july was in
>Germany, Cologne, waiting for customs. Waiting for the local post
>office now...
Good grief -- it's taking longer than that to get to Ne
Krzysztof Kajkowski writes:
>Ugh! Mine is stopped for two days now in Louisville, KY and it waits
>for something (don't know what)... I'm in Poland.
Actually stopped in Louisville, or in transit to Louisville?
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"David \"Lefty\" Schlesinger" writes:
>Graffiti (as it pertains to handwriting systems) is a registered
>trademark of ACCESS Systems Americas, not a generic term; you want to
>find some alternate terminology.
>
>Sorry, gotta point it out, it's part of my job...
Much as I've liked Graffiti on my Pa
Michael Welter writes:
>So, who are they going to sue???
Who said anything about a lawsuit? It is their trademark; stepping on
it would be really rude, no matter who they decided to go after as a
result.
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Nkoli writes:
>
>Quikwriting's different-but-easier alphabet implementation is quite
>interesting and may be the best way to get good handwriting recognition. I
>was thinking handwriting recognition that can be used with fingers because
>of all the interest in finger based apps, since most people w
Giles Jones writes:
>
>Are you policing this project for violations?
Look, he pointed out a potential trademark issue, which will have to
be considered if some sort of ungraffiti is to be distributed. There
really isn't any reason to keep going on about it.
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This is addressed to people who have successfully navigated t-mobile's
thicket: wouldn't it be nice if their web page gave good, complete,
technical information?
Anyway, my reading of their page is that to get web access on the
phone I need to add their "T-MobileWeb" service, but I don't need
th
Dan Trevino writes:
>
>I have their $5.99 internet plan working with my unsupported Treo 680.
After reading the posts to howardforums (thanks Adam!), I have to ask:
when you say it's "working", does that mean you can go to an arbitrary
URL and see what's there?
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Not physically -- I had no problem plugging it into the phone. But
where does it appear to the software? where is it in /dev? Is it
automatically mounted at boot time? What's the mountpoint?
Foolish question, I know...
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Nkoli writes:
>
>The only difference between T-Mobile Web and T-Mobile Internet on the phone
>is that T-Mobile Internet allows VPN while T-Mobile Web doesn't. You can
>access any arbitrary html or wap site on your phone with both plans. I've
>been using the cheaper plan since their t-zones unlimite
Brad Midgley writes:
>it mounts on /media/card if it has a supported filesystem (fat/ext2)
>
Ah. The problem was I'd installed a rootfs but not a new kernel, so I
didn't have any modules. New kernel -> access to micro-sd.
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Joe Friedrichsen writes:
>
>Well, yes and no. Why couldn't they order units and flash whatever
>they want on them? That's what the Neo //is// about. Sure, it wouldn't
>be very considerate to close everything afterward, but it's certainly
>feasible, if only FIC could make as many phones as Google wo
Roland Dreier writes:
>I just got my "Your order has shipped!" email (yay!), but the UPS
>tracking number included showed a package signed for by Mike (not my
>name) in San Ramon, CA, (not where my address is). Did that happen to
>anyone else?
I'm afraid that the last time UPS showed a package of
Igor Foox writes:
>When I first booted the phone after flashing the kernel + rootfs, I
>didn't calibrate the touch screen properly, and then when trying to
>mess around with the stylus I somehow managed to mess up the gnome
>theme.
>The current state is that there are no icons showing up and inste
Giles Jones writes:
>
>Typical Gartner response in that interview. Who are these industry
>analysts anyway? they just seem to state the obvious. Smartphones
>aren't mainstream, aren't they like 25% of the market maximum? You
>need to be over 50% to be even considered mainstream.
It'd be nice
Harald Welte writes:
>On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 04:31:00PM +0100, Giles Jones wrote:
>>
>> Seems like an odd choice of unit then for an open source phone.
>
>So are you claiming the open source drivers that we are writing are not
>open source, merely by the fact that we are writing them? Using this
Michael Schmidt writes:
>On 9/16/07, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> You can install Qt if you like, but you cannot assume that all users
>> will do that. Qt takes a lot of space
>
>Qt is the future, would it be possible to pre-install the open libraries?
>Or aren t the n
Kyle Bassett writes:
>I agree. Palm OS experiences the same kind of lag in certain cases.
That's really sad. One of the real strengths of the old versions of
PalmOS (and the applications developed for it) was that interaction
was instantaneous -- in almost all cases, what you wanted happened
rig
Ben Burdette writes:
>
>> That's really sad. One of the real strengths of the old versions of
>> PalmOS (and the applications developed for it) was that interaction
>> was instantaneous -- in almost all cases, what you wanted happened
>> right away, and in the few exceptions, you were notified imm
Tim Shannon writes:
>So the consensus is that the Neo won't work in the US if you just go an get
>a new account with AT&T or T-Mobile?
Mine works with a T-Mobile SIM (non 3G).
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August (got it when my Neo arrived).
Tim Shannon writes:
>How new is your account?
>
>On 10/8/07, Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Tim Shannon writes:
>> >So the consensus is that the Neo won't work in the US if you just go an
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ian douglas writes:
>The version number on my TMobile SIM is 39.01a and does NOT work. My
>AT&T SIM is listed on the wiki within the range of serial numbers that
>will not work.
The version number on my (working) T-Mobile SIM is 37.05A. Just
another data point...
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>the one I got middle of last month works... even with the 3G fireball on it
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>On 10/8/07, Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> ian douglas writes:
>> >The version number on my TMobile SIM is 39.01a and does NOT work. My
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