x27;re building hype. And while I am reluctant
to phrase it this way, I'm not one to "be nice" for the sake of it -
the message of freedom has sold SKUs and most of the "feature"
complaints are coming from people who haven't put any money behind
their rants. Whom do you T
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Lally Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yup, responding to my own post. I've got more to say on this.
> This'll be it for a while, I want to see how this community's going to
> go without me dragging it kicking & screaming.
>
> Growing up in a bunch of open-s
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Lally,
>
> This is clearly my responsibility, and in fact there is such a page:
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates
>
> I confess I have been lax in the past few months and have not updated
> since J
Excellent update. :) Thanks!
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 6:33 AM, James Olney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for the update Michael! Good news! looks like you've turned a corner!
>
>
>
>
> On 19/03/2008, Daniel Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thank you very much for these good news! Really
this are as important (imho) as those debating how much
> RAM the device has or what cell frequencies should be enabled. ]
>
> I abbreviate here for brevity, not to ignore any points you've mentioned.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:25 PM, Kevin Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&
You use the words "long life" and "fragile", if you're wondering about
the long-term viability of the hardware, it's quite a bit more robust
than the last few phones I've used. :)
I've dropped it several times getting in and out of my car, I keep it
in my pocket with my keys and loose coin when I
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Carlo E. Prelz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> both US and EU must offer some sort of warranty.
I don't believe this is true. IIRC the EU requires sellers or
manufacturers to warranty items (or perhaps specific items) but
there's no such requirement in the USA (thou
Congrats Harald!
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Joe Pfeiffer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well deserved by both recipients!
>
>
>
> ___
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ot; accessories
and battery life are directly tied IMO. As long as the battery life
suck on the Neo/Freerunner people will need chargers for the device,
and as long as a working fast-charge charger doesn't exist, it will be
construed as bad planning.
-Kevin Dean
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 2:58 PM, joerg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Correct, it checks for 48k-OHM resistor on ID-pin of mini-USB, then enables
> 1A
> instead of 100/500mA USB-standard.
> You also may enable 1A-mode (and 500mA mode) via some small GUI-app IIRC.
>
This is possible via userspac
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 8:18 PM, joerg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Alas there is *absolutely* *NO* way for NEO though to tell when your
> braindead
> 850mA charger will start to slowly melt down overnight when you set 1A charge
> mode via applet. It's very unlikely there will ever be any trou
The idea of a homing beacon is pretty cool. I have to say, however
that havign a centralized place for this information to be stored
is... as politely as possible, stupid.
Asking "Can we do something" expresses creativity but requires a
"should we do something". We know the device CAN do that, fig
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Sean Anderson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think many people are anxious to know when the Neo FreeRunner will
> actually be released. I know of many people that are quite eager to buy
> one; if it won't be ready till December, say so. Stop keeping hundreds
> of
I'd happily trade wifi for 3G. Well, that is... Until Openmoko begins
offering a wifi service for under $20 a month that allows me to do
streaming internet radio in my car. :) Wifi is worthless with 110 mile
daily commute.
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Andy Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> O
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Steven **
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As a US resident, 3G is pretty useless to me. Mostly because it costs
> AT LEAST an additional $30 a month to utilize it. I'm also not sure
> it's available in my area.
I'm also a US resident and the unlimited plan on my c
Excellent, thanks for the update!
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:50 PM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> I thought I would combine a couple posts today. First an update on PVT, or
> production verification test. Phones are being sent to me from the first PVT
> run. Michael Shiloh will be bac
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Andrea Debortoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> what about EUROS prices??
IF, and this is an IF, it works as it did with the GTA01, the USD
price is technically incorrect. When i paid, it charged my debit card
for $309 worth of Taiwan dollars. I would imagine that yo
I'm in the same position as Bobby. I use my Neo as my primary phone as
well as my digital media player. I haven't touched the lanyard or the
pouch since I took them out of the box.
But I also don't use my stylus. My stylus was neat in the beginning,
because I could use it to play with my cats, but
t; fulfilled through the wiki. I'm sure there is already list of compatible
> hardware / devices that work with the NEO. I suggest you add your iGo
> charger to that list.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Kevin Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm i
The RapRep doesn't have the precision needed to build a Neo case, and
last I checked, didn't have varied enough base materials to make a
study, opaque, and APPEALING case. Put simply "multi-colored cases"
are purely a looks thing.
The CAD files are out there and someone who wanted to sell after
ma
Nano is available in the repositories included with recent images.
To install it, one simply needs to do "opkg install nano
-force-overwrite" on an internet connected Neo. I'm assuming that QEMU
would do the same.
-Kevin
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Brandon Kruger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The figure in USD is as innacurate as anything else. You're not
actually paying $399 USD, you're paying the number of New Taiwan
Dollars that can be exchanged for $399 USD.
Rebasing the price in ANY currency means absolutely nothing since
(assuming you aren't paying exchange premiums) it's the sam
Ihre Ausweis!
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:57 AM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My samples arrived!
>
> I'm in customs hell. They want me to prove I am an american. So I have to
> send them a copy of
> My social security card or my taxes.
>
>
>
>
GSM is essentially an international standard. With some exceptions,
CDMA isn't used much.
Furthermore, even in the USA, Verizon will be deploying a GSM network
"soon" (next few years). So a Freerunner WILL work on Verizon in the
near future.
Don't count on a CDMA device, using a relatively "close
Speaking realistically, it's impossible for Openmoko to reveal that
information and no have it hurt sales, for EXACTLY the reason you
mentioned. As a support (and Neo1973 owner) I debated with this
myself. Why pay for a phone today when I KNOW the "newer" model is
around the corner?
At the same ti
is
that standard. It is possible that by the time Verizon's GSM network
is up (2009, from what I heard) the Freerunner will be "mass market".
In that case, the only network that it won't work on is Sprint's. You
can debate over who is exactly at fault in that situation
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Ben Burdette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Steven ** wrote:
>
> > I don't see how GSM is much less "closed" of a network protocol than
> > CDMA (the interchangeable SIM cards being the big difference). The
> > GSM chip is the most locked down hardware on the Neo. A
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Lon Lentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For quite a while now I've been reading comments from people saying
> that this issue or that issue is a "deal breaker". I've been reading
> hardware requests and demands that stretch the gambit from quaint and
> interestin
The table colors have too little contrast, I think. It's readable,
but I have to "force" myself to do so.
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just a vote: I like the old one more.
>
> Am 17.04.2008 um 12:58 schrieb Ivo Anjo:
>
>
>
> > Hi.
> >
>
I do reviews using the GTA01 and will begin doing reviews on the GTA02
as soon as I have it.
Currently, I use the Neo1973 (GTA01) as my primary phone. Call quality
is decent. There are some stability issues that come and go as the
code is tweaked and such. Just about everything in a default image
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Flyin_bbb8 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Marcus can you please inform me of how long the battery lasts on your neo
> 1973? on average ...
Not Marcus but I have an answer. :) Using the "Dim first, don't lock"
mode which dims the screen after a few seconds and then tu
t part has been corrected in
the Freerunner.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 12:42 AM, Kevin Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Flyin_bbb8 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Marcus can you please inform me of how long the
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Bastian Muck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> To this i have a little question. I didn't find the ESC-key (which is
> essentially in vi(m)) and i also didn't find the CTRL-key. Whithout this a
> simple tail can make
I have to say, I'm baffled by that sentiment. GTA02v5 is fully
functional, the only "problem" is that it's not as efficient as it
could be, just like every other product on the planet.
For those saying "wait another month" I've got a different arguement -
let's NOT hire people to make the changes,
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Erland Lewin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/4/19, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > Feature phones only differ between talk time and standby time.
> > For us, it's a bit more complicated, since we have more modes.
> >
> > Can we agree on the foll
I'm happy paying $399 for all ye who feel the need to pay $400 to make
it even. :P Though, I'll hop on the even bandwagon if it's dropped as
long as Openmoko makes profit. :)
If you really want to pay more, you could set up a "Tip a Developer" program...
-Kevin
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 7:13 PM, D
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Fredrik Markström
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Still no official comments on this issue ?
>
> Until this is resolved I advice newcomers to be careful before
> spending $399 on another piece of potentially
> useless hardware (GTA02).
If you think your GTA01 is u
For the record, my "tip a programmer" thing was almost pure sarcasm. I
find this discussion to be amusing by the level of absurdity in it.
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 9:57 AM, ramsesoriginal
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok, so first, i also would like to see 400$ instead of 399$, because
> it's sim
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Georg Michelitsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Concerning the soundset (if I understood right you meant something like a
> standard sound for the phone-startup as a lot of other companies pratice) I
> think a human voice saying "Openmoko - Open mobile communicatio
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Travis Tabbal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for the info. T-Mobile seems to have good coverage here. It sounds
> like the Total Internet plan is the way to go. I'm looking forward to the
> release of Freerunner. I love being able to add/change software on my
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> One of the objectives of openmoko is to no need to use the stylus
> at all ... When devels talk about "mokofy" (port to openmoko) some
> aplication one of the chalenges is to use it with out stylus.
Either this is NOT
that this can be done but making that action a
REQUIREMENT for consistant applications is directly opposite the ideas
of a mass market device.
>
> The one thing I've written[1] was specifically designed to be
> "finger-friendly" as I don't intend to carry a stylus around
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 3:47 PM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> my razr charger draws 850.
>
> I haven't check my igo charger, Kevin is the IGO usb 100ma or 500ma?
This may be a trick question... I don't have an AC iGo, I have a DC
iGO car charger.
http://info.igo.com/mobility/datasheets/a
So... Here's the magical question. How would an "average user" like
myself find that out without buying equipment to test it if the
manufacturer didn't include actualy numbers (or in my case, if the
manufacturer specifies a range of possibilities)?
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 3:59 PM, ian douglas <[EM
I've not had ANYONE comment "it's ugly" but just about everyone I've
handed it to said "It's HUGE".
I personally LOVE it, I'm huge too. :)
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Lowell Higley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It was the GTA01.. the first pics I saw of the GTA02 was last week. I
> showed b
I figured that the person who started a KY/IN group would be from
Louisville or New Albany and not from Indy, Fort Wayne or Lexington.
Keep in mind when forming the groups that if it still needs to be
shipped (as opposed to physically delivered) there isn't much savings.
You're saving $30 by buyin
t;
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Dean
>
> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 1:07 PM
> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Subject: Re: Freerunner AC adaptor.. Kevin dean you there?
>
>
>
I notice that certain groups in the USA are consolidating for 10-pack
purchases. Unfortunately, some of the regions being covered are bigger
than some entire nations in Europe. While I can't be sure this is the
case, I can't help but think that joining in a regional 10-pack ONLY
works if it costs L
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Steven Kurylo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you search the archives, Steve already gave us the specs so you
> could do this.
Can you drop any more hints on where specifically to find this? I'm
subscribed to all of the Openmoko lists except kernel-dev and even
c
37 PM, Geoff Ruscoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Its on community for April ... Not sure I remember which thread.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Kevin Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On Thu, M
:)
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Kevin Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's quite useful, thanks!
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Tomas Di Domenico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I think this is what you're looking for:
&
described my expectations as simply an
> example of the choices to be made.
>
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: "Kevin Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > ...
> >
> > Are there any size or weight dimensions known about the Freerunner
&
Iceweasel 3 shows the sidebar moved to the bottom.
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:36 AM, Steven Le Roux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:20 PM, MartinG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On 5/5/08, Tomas Gustavsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I'm running Firefox 3 Beta 5
It's also worth noting that the 32GB limit is also artificial. 2048GB
is the technical limit for SDHC, if I recall correctly.
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Stefan Misch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Crane, Matthew wrote:
>>
>> The SD card association has limtied the size of sdhc to 32gb, the
>From the Middleware blogposts it's pretty clear that GTK is part of
the platform but that doesn't mean that official apps will be written
in GTK. Was the questioned aimed internally (re: openmoko-* apps) or
more broadly (i.e. to clarify to would-be devs that GTK is no longer
the base)?
On Thu, Ma
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Ian Darwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have been using a FreeRunner for a few days with a pre-pre-alpha
> snapshot of the ASU software.
I've done Daily Snapshot Reviews since January. I enjoy bug hunting
and communication. Where can I get this image? Does it ru
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Fredrik Wendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Travis Tabbal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Carlo E. Prelz wrote:
>>
>> Those apps are the heart of the phone, and I would not want to have
>> C++/QT versions running on my phone.
>>
>>
ASU is literally the "April Software Update". Three letter acronyms
give it more geek cred. :)
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Richard Reichenbacher
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What does ASU stand for anyways? It makes me nervous knowing that the
> phones software shares the same initials with
ves a few tidbits of opinion on some of the changes that
seem to get overlooked.
Anyway, the writeup can be read at:
http://monochromementality.com/index.php/blog/show/Day-One-Openmoko-Freerunner.html
-Kevin Dean
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Openmoko community mailing
;
> Well, I have a lot of questions, but I think I'll
> better let those who know how to ask make them.
You're doing well enough. :) Any questions you have might help me
decide what ends up in the reviews I write, so I'd appreciate the
input. :)
>
> Thanks again
>
Hrm... I've been having issues off and on too.
I'll tranfer the site to a new server when I get to work, hopefully
that will help.
-Kevin
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 8:14 AM, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kevin Dean wrote:
>>
>> Any
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 8:08 AM, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Vinc Duran wrote:
>>
>> Is there video of the production FreeRunner in use? I found
>> http://illume.projects.openmoko.org/illume-vv-01.avi posted by Kevin
>>
Cheers
>
> Kosa
>
> - Un mundo mejor es posible -
>
> Bastian Muck escribió:
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>> I have the same Problem. :-(
>>
>> Marco Trevisan (Treviño) schrieb:
>> | Kevin Dean wrote:
>
Wurp wrote an applet that adds a LOT of functionality to the 1973.
Install the applet on you phone and then force it to fast charge when
connected to a charger and you're golden. Charge on the go, using a
wall charger or a car charger. :)
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CheckFastCharge-script
On Fr
On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Marcel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Am Samstag 24 Mai 2008 14:47:03 schrieb rakshat hooja:
>> I am not to sure how many people have seen the Neo software stack diagram
>> on the wiki but after looking at it there really should not be a GTK Vs
>> Qtopia argument an
ck.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Dean
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 12:10 AM
> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Subject: Re: My blog, Freerunner FIrst Impressions and some pics
>
> O
o of production device?
>
>> >>> Is there video of the production FreeRunner in use? I found
>> >>> http://illume.projects.openmoko.org/illume-vv-01.avi posted by Kevin
>> >>> Dean on May 19th. Is that video of shipping software or just a con
Qt has been adapted for X11. This is why GTK apps will still be supported.
On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 11:36 PM, Bin Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As ASU switched to Qt, to ensure the coexistence of GTK+ and QT, the
> backend should be chosen to X11. As I know, QTE only support
> framebuff
On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Ron K. Jeffries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am NOT asking if mass production has started.
>
> I am asking if OpenMoko has frozen a release to
> load into the microSD cards. It seems to me that the unit can come off
> the line, and that one of the final steps befo
There's no "American tax". I was chatting with a friend from Croatia
who was confused by how American sales tax works because apparently
it's more common elsewhere (or particularly in Europe) to roll the
sales tax (VAT?) into the advertised price of the good. In America,
each state has it's own sal
Yeah, there are GTA01 images for the ASU, I've tested them.
Not too much to report, ASU is almost totally non-functional but it
gives a good view of it's potential.
I planned on doing video over this weekend but I got sick for the
first time in almost three years. *growls*
On Tue, May 27, 2008 a
3.5 mm. I hear mention of "standard" 2.5 mm and other than my 1973 and
the Freerunner, I don't think I've ever seen a 2.5 mm used. Most wired
headsets on phones I've purchased in the past each used their own
"proprietary" connector with the exception of my recent Motorolas
which used USB. That mean
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 4:35 PM, ian douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yorick Matthys wrote:
>>
>> I don't know how to post on the mailing list (shame on me, I know...)
>> although i read every mail that gets posted on them, so I write it directly
>> to your e-mail address.
>
> If you're subscri
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:40 PM, Mike Montour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kevin Dean wrote:
>
>> Unscientific testing, yes. The echo is still there. :)
>
> s/)/(/
>
> Can you please add a note about this to bug #1267? How bad was the echo -
> enough that a norm
If you're speeding, you're already breaking the law. Good people have
an ethical imperative to ignore and oppose unjust law.
I'd love to see a Trapster[1] app on Openmoko. I was made aware of
this project because of the Dash GPS-device which was made in
association with FIC/Openmoko, so I've got m
This is GTA03 - http://walkingice.twbbs.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=715
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Sergey Volkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello, openmoko community.
>
> I have a question regarding future products of Openmoko. Wiki says
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA that GTA03 is
With Nouveau, wouldn't it give a future device video performance that
equals or surpasses the current XGlamo?
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 3:06 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:12:30 -0400 "Lally Singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
>
> the day nvidia
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:51 AM, flexd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) skrev:
>> On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:12:30 -0400 "Lally Singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
>>
>> the day nvidia comes with open drivers for this... we can begin to take an
>> interest :)
>>
>
> To be hon
I think he was looking for pictures of the ASU.
You can see some basic ones here
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/1432/qwerty-scramble-1.png
and http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/1432/qwerty-scramble-2.png
You can find a semi-reliable working concept
http://people.ope
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:44 PM, andy selby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/6/3 Kevin Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> I think he was looking for pictures of the ASU.
>
> I was hoping that a Freerunner owner would post some ASU screenies on
> that site in future
&
Excellent! Thanks for the update!
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 11:12 AM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The latest update I have from the factory indicates that mass Production (
> that means running the SMT line without stopping to check stuff every two
> seconds) has been CLEARED TO START.
>
>
>
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:03 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Could those of you in the US, who have the prior phone,and who plan to get
> the new one, share what providers you are using?
T-Mobile. Been with them 5 or 6 years and zero complaints.
> Also, any details would
> be great. I am going
The Freerunner has a single SIM slot.
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Adilson Oliveira
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Hi.
>
> I'm quite sure the answer is "no" but as I didn't find any definitive
> answer for that I decided to ask: does the openmo
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Stroller writes:
>>
>>On 11 Jun 2008, at 15:44, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>>>
>>> Did you get a lower price on your contract than you would have with a
>>> phone? Yes, they would have let me pay for a subsidized phone without
>>>
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:09 PM, ian douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ian douglas wrote:
>> ... but not at AT&T plans are available coast-to-coast.
Got it! This was something I wasn't aware of. I've lived in several
states over the past handful of years and the plans I've had have all
been the
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Robert Taylor
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kevin Dean wrote:
>> I'm an American and your statement confuses me. Why is it "obvious"
>> that a contract without a phone should be cheaper? The service
>> (cellular conne
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:35 PM, Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Because the price of the "free" phone is bundled into the price of the
> contract.
I don't think so. The only thing that changes in the deal is the
profit margin of the company. The costs of the mobile carrier also
indire
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And I want it half the size:)
> A tiny, nice phone with QVGA, not a notebook. If you want the double size,
> why not just buy an eeepc?
As the resident Devil's Advocate, I agree here.
Lemme state this - I pa
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Robert Taylor
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh okay so its semantics then.
In the USA, the "contract" is for the service ONLY. That's why I asked
in the beginning if we had a different definition of what it meant to
contract. It's a lot like a grocery store that of
Please note this is an OFF LIST reply, since it is off topic for
Openmoko mailing lists.
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Lowell Higley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If I make an observation.. I am an American by birth but have lived all over
> the world.. In the middle of the Pacific, Korea, and
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 12 Jun 2008, at 03:19, Kevin Dean wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:35 PM, Joe Pfeiffer
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> If I don't get a phone, I shouldn't have to
It's interesting how much divide this issue causes, I think. :) I'm
personally a fan of fora, but I don't really care too strongly either
way. Some people REALLY like mailing lists and some people REALLY like
fora and never the twain shall meet. :P
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Richard Reichen
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 7:50 PM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Considering English is not his native language... I am sure something
> did not come through as he intended.
>
> I think what he means is this:
> Businesses are not yet ready to fully embrace open source as the
> community s
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Joerg Reisenweber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My opinion is averse. There's no valid reason to abandon the very simple
> concept of users, groups, and permissions, just to have an "easy start" on
> development (fixing apps later on is a PITA). If you don't care f
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 4:25 AM, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> will tell you that having those kind of permissions systems when the
>> INTRUDER has physical access to the device is next to pointless.
>
> the om is connected via wlan or bluetooth -- thus allowing hacking into it
> (if it i
Firstly, sorry for the blank reply. Accidentally double clicked and
"send" is in the same spot. :P
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 4:25 AM, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> only opkg is run, not everything possible.
> logging in as root opens a world of ways to harm your data, either by
> accident
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Robert Taylor
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kevin Dean wrote:
>>
>> In the mobile world, there is NOTHING more important than the user's
>> data. Nothing. And in the mobile world, you can impliment root priv
>> seperations t
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Andy Selby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> There was a post on engadget mobile that suggested some have been
>> released.
>
> I cant find it, you got a link?
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/06/11/openmoko-freerunner-gets-reviewed-early/
I didn't get this as part
Hi everyone. Over the weekend I took perhaps 50 or so screenshots of
the ASU on a Freerunner. A lot of them are repetitive, simply showing
all of the options on a given application. But others are
"interesting" and show some new or under-reviewed applications.
I've taken those "best of" images and
48 PM, Charles Edward Pax
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for the post. I love screenshots.
>
> -Charles
>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Kevin Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone. Over the weekend I took perhaps 50 or so screenshots of
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