Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software
Tilman Baumann wrote: I like Qtopie too. Especially considering how well they could handle embedded guis for years. But in reallity. qt and c++ is a limitation. Look how far Opie was evolved during the last years and how god id was from the beginning. But it still was more or less insignificant. Opie is but a fork of Qtopia. Using Qt and c++ is hardly a limitation. Take a look at KDE. Then look how far Nokia got with theyr maemo gtk modell. Within half a year they had a big community and lots of great programms ported. Thats more because they had some cool hardware. Meamo is not all that free - it contains proprietary parts, which is a consequence of using LGPL, which is why Amgstrom does not build flash images for these devices. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software
off list. Just between you and me... there will be some great announcements in the next few weeks. wim delvaux wrote: HI all, Champion of open source and user of familiar on Ipaq when time was new, i wonder if it was such a good idea to rewrite from scratch an entire GUI system. Knowing that the device is now about 6 months late and looking at the overall stability and completeness of the GUI (List of issues is still long perhaps too long ?) I wonder if it would not have been a better solution to put things like QTopia on the phone. I mean, how long will it still take to get things to this level (http://trolltech.com/products/qtopia/learnmore/screenshots4/?searchterm=screenshots) ? about one week. Perhaps with a different style or something but at least QTopia has been around for quite a few years, sporting a nice portfolio of apps, having a nice ,portable and powerfull GUI library. I know that the software is not fully GPL and FREE but what REALLY is Fully free ? AFAIK you can mess around with qtopia ad lib (hey, look at opie's fork), sources are available, support is great (KDE ...) and for FIC's sake, they can focus there entire resource of a great phone. For me, the free community does not need (really) a new GUI library. It needs a good phone ! Our interest lies in having a nicely featured device available so that we hackers can release our creativity and write apps that users like and not - yet again - re-invent the wheel to start all over again. And for what ? For a theme ? For true GPL ? ... So what about porting QTopia to the NEO as backup scenario ? I.e. how much more delays can we afford ? -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software
Brad Midgley wrote: Lorn Just between you and me... there will be some great announcements in the next few weeks. I think you just said the loud part quiet and the quiet part loud (a simpsons reference :) doh! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007, Tilman Baumann wrote: Am 24.08.2007 um 21:03 schrieb Lorn Potter: Tilman Baumann wrote: I like Qtopie too. Especially considering how well they could handle embedded guis for years. But in reallity. qt and c++ is a limitation. Look how far Opie was evolved during the last years and how god id was from the beginning. But it still was more or less insignificant. Opie is but a fork of Qtopia. Using Qt and c++ is hardly a limitation. Take a look at KDE. The limitation is that you have to use it. If you like it or not. Or in other words, you don't code for the project unless you are a QT nerd. Likewise any project/language. Then look how far Nokia got with theyr maemo gtk modell. Within half a year they had a big community and lots of great programms ported. Thats more because they had some cool hardware. Meamo is not all that free - it contains proprietary parts, which is a consequence of using LGPL, which is why Amgstrom does not build flash images for these devices. I'm not talking bout freedom. I'm talking about easy porting and giving a community the tools they are used to use. Sure QT is cool, kde is cool and qtopia is cool. But you limit yourself to the fraction of delopers who care about QT. Openmoko (and maemo) it is more or less, take one of millions of gtk programms kick it through the compiler and run it. Millions is a bit far fetched. But the same holds true for Qt apps. And if you like it usable, replce some gtk widgets. That's more like it. Desktop usability does not translate to mobile phones so even if there were millions of desktop apps to choose from, work has to be done making it for a small screen/touchscreen/ mobile phone. As i said. Give me qtopia on the Neo, i would like it. But i can certainly see why his was not choosen as default. And i'm happy with that decision. Personally, I don't. but I am biased. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: Dnia piątek, 24 sierpnia 2007, wim delvaux napisał: Knowing that the device is now about 6 months late and looking at the overall stability and completeness of the GUI (List of issues is still long perhaps too long ?) I wonder if it would not have been a better solution to put things like QTopia on the phone. The problem with QTopia is that you will get GPL version (so no commercial applications for it) or will force OpenMoko into license payments. OpenMoko Neo is a 'free' phone, why would you want to put commercial proprietary software on it? I thought the point of it was to get away from closed source/commercial/proprietary apps. If I minded that, I would just use a Symbian or Windows Mobile phone as apps for those abound. To get phone functionality of Qtopia well, who knows.. if enough people email Trolltech... that could change. OpenMoko company would have to pay for commercial Qtopia Phone or wrote whole phone subsystem from scratch as there is no phone functionality in Qtopia4/GPL. Better than writing the whole shebang from scratch. Why not start with something that is 95% finished, mature, stable and tested. /me shrugs And if you go into Qtopia world you will get small amount of applications. There was lot of stuff for old Qtopia versions (1.5-2.2) but none of them can be just built for Qtopia4 version (and you do not really want to play with Qtopia 4.x - trust me - I spent over two years with OPIE hacking). Nothing wrong with qtopia 2 and Opie... So at start all you get is Qtopia4 stuff which is done for devices which have atleast few keys (but probably can be used with touchscreen only too). Forget about syncing PIM data to something other then Qtopia4 Desktop (if it exists), forget about many X11 based applications/games (I know that most of them needs to be adapted to small screen but many of them can be just used). as can qt4 apps... For me, the free community does not need (really) a new GUI library. It needs a good phone ! Our interest lies in having a nicely featured device available so that we hackers can release our creativity and write apps that users like and not - yet again - re-invent the wheel to start all over again. And for what ? For a theme ? For true GPL ? ... Well, that license does behoove free software... For me LGPL is proper license for such device. It allows to write free applications which will use any license (all those hackers which you listed) AND it allows to write commercial stuff. OpenMoko is touted as a FREE phone with FREE software, not closed source commercial software. Which do you want more of?? We have GPS on device - how many Linux applications you know which can show you maps and route you from one place to another? I know few: well, the neo is currently a developer only phone, so someone could easily write such a best, for whatever gui library. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973
A couple other differences, QT is C++ based, whereas GTK is C based, so depending on what your preferences are... Also, isn't GTK licenesed as LGPL, whereas QT is GPL? So commercial developers will need to pay for a seperate license for QT if they make non-GPL apps, whereas GTK's license is more commercial app friendly. Except why would someone want to put a closed source commercial application on your free software Neo? ;) -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973
Giles Jones wrote: Mauro Iazzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : before someone beats me to it. http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2007-09-17.9260755578 Ironic given one of their Greenphone guys was slagging the OpenMoko project a while back. That greenphone guy was me. and if you read that actual post, I made no 'slagging' remarks about OpenMoko or their project. Some of my friends and colleagues, whom are very great engineers work for OpenMoko. The point I was making about that post is that the Neo was not the first open phone... -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973
Michael Schmidt wrote: Thanks, but why is the Neo phone not a small laptop? that all can be installed, at least for the needed libraries. So a GTK gui still makes sense... Greenphone then can as well join OPENMOKO platform, and if greenphone uses only QT, is then the GTK application working? - no, if the GTK-Library is not installed. So we need a software/library proove at the startup and a path to the extending memory card with the proove of the installed libraries.. And that for every phone... Why is this announcement done now, and the code of QTopia 4.3 released in late Oktober? This is a technical preview. This should be speeded up from the project management, as the applications cannot wait weeks with no coding... Thats why we released this as a tech preview, so people could start now... because Qtopia 4.3 is so much better than 4.2 And I guess in the later all will be QT... then the GTK is an old fashion as maybe laptop applicaitons as well switch from GTK to QT. This should be decided soon, a) if NEO gets enough RAM to run both b) if the operating system can have both libraries by default c) if there is a direction from the project management, wanting this or that for the new development.. d) why Qtopia is released so late.. as well the preview FTP of it is not working.. what is this for an annoucement??? server might be having problems. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973
I think that the GTK front end for the Neo has a lot of potential that the Qtopia front end may miss, so a strategy that borrows from both systems would be good for us early adopters. Er, the dev kit appears to be missing openssl, which could be a problem. Also, announcements aside, I don't see a link to the source code on the Qtopia/Neo page, so not all promises have yet been kept. Trolltech has been really good about releasing source code in the past, so I'm not worried about this, but without source, developing will be more painful. Try ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/tech-preview/ -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973
Tilman Baumann wrote: Alexey Feldgendler wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:45:51 +0200, Mauro Iazzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hate to say it but in my experience at least, its a dream developing apps using QT esp given the nice IDE in comparison to using GTK. QT just has the docs and organised feel which makes it easy. with the drawback that _everything_ will need to be Qt based Why is that? Qtopia is a complete application stack which is not based on the traditional technologies used in unix. Especially problematic is that they have a gui-server which works directly on the framebuffer. sort of like X11 on these devices.. You could also say that X11 doesn't play fair with direct fb access either. Not X11 like all other systems. This has better performance and is in my eyes the perfect solution for embedded devices. There is no great performance difference between x11 and fb. But that is the reason why you can not just compile any X11 application for the phone and run it. But this issue is more or less a non-issue, because there is a x-server for qtopia avaiblable. But if you want to have native applications which fit right in the framework you have to use Qt and C++. And the other problem is that QT has different views about things like PIM storage (addressbook, calendar ...), phone systems (gsmd vs. the qtopia phone-driver system) and so on. Both systems just don't fit very well together. And i like both concepts... Then dual boot. :) The Neo has an SD card and open uboot bootloader just waiting for a dual boot. But thats how it is. Opensource is just about freedom to choose. The more choices the better... Agreed. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973
Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: On Tuesday 18 September 2007 22:58:00 Lorn Potter wrote: Not X11 like all other systems. This has better performance and is in my eyes the perfect solution for embedded devices. There is no great performance difference between x11 and fb. As long as X11 renders to FB, that's true. However, with the GPU in GTA02 that may not be true at all as in fact, Mickey mentioned on IRC yesterday that fb operations may well be *slower* on GTA02 than on GTA01. For unaccelerated framebuffer vs. accelerated X11, yes. But we are planning on using those accel chips too. I don't know enough about the differences between Qt and Qtopia (aside of the fact that Qtopia draws to the fb directly), but if Qtopia app scan run on Qt, we might well end up seeing that on GTA02 as Qt/X11 will get the GPU acceleration for free? At that point, GTK and Qt(opia) could happily coexist like they do on the desktop. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973
Thomas Wood wrote: All in all, the great thing about OpenMoko and the Neo1973 is that you're free to choose whatever path you wish to take. If you want to use Qtopia on your Neo1973 then you are more than welcome to do so! There are many many different Linux distributions and probably almost as many graphical user interface projects. One of the great things about the Free Software philosophy is choice and the Neo1973 is one of the first phones that gives you that ability to choose every single bit of software that you use on it. This is exactly correct, and I agree. So does Trolltech. viva la Neo! -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is neo1973 dual boot possible?
Piotr Duda wrote: I have to admit qtopia is quite nice (sounds does not work for me right now and Updated flash image is pending. Ive managed to hang it after first 10min of intense clicking;) but I vote for the Openmoko, for the openness never seen before in mobiles, from the very begining and not from the moment where competition arrives... Qtopia has been open sourced for more than 6 years now, from it's beginning. It wasn't any open source competition that resulted in opensourcing the telephony stack, it was a lack of a perceived threat to our business if we did so, and much work by Qtopia engineering. Granted, the Neo was part of the reason why (we wanted to release this port, but the Neo is a 'free' phone, and we couldn't very well release a closed source Qtopia for it, no matter how good it is), but the timing of the Neo made it appear as if Trolltech were only reacting to it. It has been a long time in the making. its only my opinion and I dont want to argue with anyone :-) No arguments, everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I wanted to set the answer straight. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973
Carlo E. Prelz wrote: Subject: Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973 Date: mar 25 set 07 08:18:31 +0200 Quoting Dani Anon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): - But QT is not free (as in beer) for commercial usage This is not the only reason why Qtopia is sub-optimal. It's not a reason at all. Neo is a free phone! If I wanted commercial applications, I could easily use any other phone out there. The reason why we are all here, is because the Neo is 'free software'. Would the Neo interest you as much if it wasn't as 'free'? QT is bound to C++. With GTK you can choose to program in C, or, if you really want to, in C++. With QT there is no way you can write your code in C. There is no way right now because no one has written a wrapper. It's not impossible. Also, Qtopia, by having no X server running in the background, makes it much more difficult for the average developer to bring his/her own window to the screen of the phone. not really. qt-rantIn fact, coding with Qt is much faster than gtk. Ask people that have done both./qt-rant With X, there are dozens of ways to paste an interactive window to the screen. They may be esthetically discordant with the main theme of the phone, but your code can communicate to the phone user and the phone hardware. I do not know how easy it is for one's application to talk to the windowing system underlying qtopia, Easier, IMHO, than with gtk/xlibs. X11 development is rather arcane. but I have reasons to believe that a) I should have to learn to code in a totally different environment, and b) that environment would require coding in C++. Both things are not desirable for me. fair enough reasons here. I see OpenMoko as a developer-oriented phone/system. Even if current performance may be not that awe-generating, processor speeds are going to increase, and optimizations will certainly be made. They haven't progressed that much in the last 6 years. Slower cpu uses less power. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973
Dani Anon wrote: Yep, but there's this undeniable fact that having 0 entry cost invites a whole new class of developers that you wouldn't have otherwise. I think we could perfectly choose QTopia and just handicap commercial developers, either of the options is better than having two options. You are confusing 'commercial' with 'closed source'. No one says open source software cannot be sold commercially. You just have to offer and release your code to your customers should they want it. I don't see how charging a carpenter for a hammer is a handicap. To make his/her own hammer would cost more than it would to buy one from the local hardware store. You cannot hammer a nail very well without a hammer. A rock might work. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 25.09.2007 um 17:20 schrieb Dani Anon: But hey I like how you conveniently left unanswered my comment about how the FBUI and DirectFB projects exist solely to remove the X server overhead. Can you explain to me and them why they are wrong and how they have wasted all those months of development to solve a problem that just doesn't exist? It exists theoretically but the practical relevance depends on several factors. I have done some experiments on the OpenMoko and I believe that the framebuffer itself is the slowest part (don't know why). But X11 *is* already quite fast. I could achieve a lot of speed up in my GUI Framework (yes it is another choice!) by double buffering X11 (i.e. drawing offscreen first and then copying the modified block in a single bitmap copy command). In my GUI toolkit the main speed killer is the missing FPU in ARM processors which has to rely on FPU emulation. So, why optimize something that already works sufficiently? It is like washing whiter than white. But if there is someone who wants to optimize it further - why not? So - IMHO - the X11-Overhead is a neglectable problem. And the benefits of X11 overweight any drawbacks. There may not be very much performance differences, but there is one more drawback of using Xlibs. File size and memory. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973
Dani Anon wrote: On 9/25/07, Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:32:46 +0200, Dani Anon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/25/07, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Carlo E. Prelz wrote: Subject: Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973 Date: mar 25 set 07 08:18:31 +0200 Quoting Dani Anon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): - But QT is not free (as in beer) for commercial usage This is not the only reason why Qtopia is sub-optimal. It's not a reason at all. Neo is a free phone! If I wanted commercial applications, I could easily use any other phone out there. The reason why we are all here, is because the Neo is 'free software'. Would the Neo interest you as much if it wasn't as 'free'? Tell that to all the people using Wine under Linux. I Don't think there are so much... I fully agree with him to say Neo/OpenMoko goal is to become a *FREE* user friendly phone. Even if Qtopia could give bigger range, or bigger celebrity, it will not change the OpenMoko/OpenEmbedded mission, to provide a free framework/os People keep saying that but really, are you sure that openmoko goals exclude proprietary software? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Commercial_models Of course they don't, because they are developing using the LGPL, which encourages commercial closed source. Linux is a perfectly free operative system but support for proprietary software isn't discouraged. Not by the operating system, or the LGPL, but by the culture surrounding it. How many commercial closed source applications are available for Linux? How many have you bought? Have you paid attention to what people say when someone releases closed source for Linux? How often have nvidia and ATI been harassed about their closed source? How many software have been released open source as a result of community pressure? Think of Oracle, Opera, vmware to name a few. In fact, one could argue that an open platform that makes proprietary development expensive is less free than a closed platform that makes proprietary development (as well as free development) free, so I think you are very wrong about this. Perhaps, but we aren't talking about closed platforms. To most commercial entities, software licensing is not as much as development costs. FIC is a company after all and I'm pretty sure that to them, the non-free nature of qtopia for proprietary usage would be a concern but that is good. FIC wants to sell hardware. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Acoustic feedback
Michael Welter wrote: I was making some test calls using the Neo and Qtopia. When I performed the echo test (+13034144978 x820) I got repeating echos (like you see with two opposing mirrors). I used a wrong alsa state in the Qtopia tech preview image, which has an echo problem (sidetone), which I think might be this. This has been on the list before, but OM will not send DTMF digits after the call has been set up. This is a bug in Qtopia. Comm guy loved that one. Has been fixed. Also OM is not able to make calls after returning from sleep mode. Known bug. Still working on this one. For whatever reasons, the modem starts spitting out junk characters. And I think the calls are not disconnecting properly--if the Neo is disconnected while the called telephone is ringing, the called telephone continues to ring. I haven't seen this one. I am going to issue a snapshot update, since I got audiostate switching fixed in Qtopia. Thanks for your feedback! -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Acoustic feedback
Michael Welter wrote: Lorn Potter wrote: Michael Welter wrote: I was making some test calls using the Neo and Qtopia. When I performed the echo test (+13034144978 x820) I got repeating echos (like you see with two opposing mirrors). I used a wrong alsa state in the Qtopia tech preview image, which has an echo problem (sidetone), which I think might be this. This has been on the list before, but OM will not send DTMF digits after the call has been set up. This is a bug in Qtopia. Comm guy loved that one. Has been fixed. The Qtopia sent DTMF digits just fine. OM won't send digits after the call has been set up. ahha ok. gotcha. Also OM is not able to make calls after returning from sleep mode. Known bug. Still working on this one. For whatever reasons, the modem starts spitting out junk characters. And I think the calls are not disconnecting properly--if the Neo is disconnected while the called telephone is ringing, the called telephone continues to ring. I haven't seen this one. I am going to issue a snapshot update, since I got audiostate switching fixed in Qtopia. Let me know if you need help with the testing. I think ScaredyCat from irc has setup snapshot image builds somewhere. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Acoustic feedback
On Tuesday 02 October 2007 17:21, Richard Reichenbacher wrote: I posted this in the forum but never received a response. Any possibility of an official ipkg repo from trolltech so we don't have to keep reflashing? I've actually been using qtopia on my neo as an everyday phone and I hate to keep reflashing and redoing my settings every time there's an update. Right now, the oe .bb creates one big ipkg.For the TT images, I don't build the entire system for every update, just Qtopia. I will see about setting up a feed for it :) But it wont get updated everyday, only when there is a significant reason to update. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
qtopia flash image update
I have uploaded a Qtopia snapshot version flash image for the Neo. You can get it from here: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/devices/openmoko.php a brief change log: * fixed audiostate handling (including head[sets/phones]) * updated kernel to 2.6.22.5 * fixed screen dimming/blanking. * ringtones play (wav only) * added scribble example application * fixed snake for touchscreen only devices * fixed gsm band selection. * fixed timezone selection handling on touchscreen only. * numerous other fixes a few Known issues: * suspend/resume not fully working. must restart Qtopia to get modem working again. * inputmethod covers some widgets (bluetooth settings) * no modem mux (no gprs) * no mms support (no wap stack integrated) * bluetooth audio not tested on Neo yet, probably needs work. enjoy and prosper! -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Acoustic feedback
On Tuesday 02 October 2007 17:21, Richard Reichenbacher wrote: I posted this in the forum but never received a response. Any possibility of an official ipkg repo from trolltech so we don't have to keep reflashing? I've actually been using qtopia on my neo as an everyday phone and I hate to keep reflashing and redoing my settings every time there's an update. Right now, the oe .bb creates one big ipkg.For the TT images, I don't build the entire system for every update, just Qtopia. I will see about setting up a feed for it :) But it wont get updated everyday, only when there is a significant reason to update. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtopia flash image update
Heilpern, Mark wrote: Hi Lorn, Thanks for the update one problem though. In my case (and presumably the case for others), I'm not normally inserting a SIM. If I wait long enough will the lock time out since the network isn't going to register? Failing that, is there a configuration file I can modify to change the current behaviour? Thanks, and thank you for championing Qtopia on this platform. I actually don't know why that was happening, it's not supposed to. Apparently an intermittent bug. It's not supposed to lock you out of the gui if there is no sim. -Original Message- From: lpotter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 1:56 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Cc: Heilpern, Mark Subject: Re: qtopia flash image update On Wednesday 03 October 2007 03:39:42 Heilpern, Mark wrote: I'm seeing the same problems with the new Qtopia image. The device comes up locked (with no apparent way to unlock it) -- the touch screen controls flash so I know they're registering, but the screen doesn't go to the unlock screen. The bottom left soft menu is unlock, but touching the screen there doesn't register at all. wait a bit longer. the screen/keylock should go away when it registers with the network. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtopia flash image update
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow! With qtopia I can actually use my neo! Battery life sucks, but oh well.. One thing tho - I cant play mp3s it says media type not supported..any ideas as to why or where to look for a more specific error message? wavs are fine, but mp3s dont work Thats because mp3 codecs are patented and licensed. In the case of Trolltech's flash images, we don't have a license to distribute this particular codec. I have been working on gstreamer for Qtopia, so you will soon be able to install whatever gstreamer codecs are available. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Keypad for fingers, not stylus
Openmoko wrote: Hi, I've started a little project: to make a keypad where it's not required to use the stylus, i.e. the fingers should be used instead. The plan is to make an alternative to the matchbox keyboard so that the new keypad can be used both in terminal, for texting etc. So far I've only implemented the very basics, e.g. to write a c three pushed on one butten is required. I've also plans for implementing a dictionary, e.g. T-9 or an alternative: the most common words appear based on the already entered letters (if ba entered manually by pressing a sequence such as (22,22,2) then the phone should propose for example banana). I'm already thinking about the data structures, search algorithms etc., but I'm really not that sharp at C (only at C# ;-)), so it would be great if someone would participate in especially that part (which also includes to compile it to ARM and not just x86). I've submitted an application at projects.openmoko.org, but haven't got an answer yet. I couldn't attach the code for some reason (the mail did apparently not go through mailman), but if you're interested, I can just mail it directly. Please feel free to comment ideas etc.! You should take a look at the 'PredictiveKeyboard' in Qtopia. Once you know how to use it, it is very good and can easily be used with a finger. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I'm new in this list
Ryan Prior wrote: Nope, no trick. QTopia just doesn't have support for power saving on Neo1973 last I heard, so the battery you're life is the battery life everybody's getting. It is an issue that will be resolved, though. It does have support for resume/suspend. We just turn it off by default because the modem seems to go wonky. If you do turn on suspending, you just have to restart Qtopia to make phone calls/sms again. As far as I know, this seems to effect Openmoko as well, unless I am wrong. On 10/13/07, *Joseph Heenan* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Graham Williams wrote: However, I have been using the Neo as my main phone for making and receiving phone calls and messaging for a couple of weeks now using the Qtopia image ( http://www.qtopia.net/modules/devices/openmoko.php). Possibly silly question, but how did you manage this? For me, the qtopia images seemed to completely empty the battery within about 5 hours without even making any calls so I feel I'm missing an obvious trick :) Cheers, Joseph ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trolltech drops greenphone for OpenMoko (Neo)
Zalunin Pavel wrote: Yeah, I think, that greenphone today is not actually project, because now Compulab created hw platform for creating smartphones for $2300 . It has sensor big sensor panel. And of couse OpenMoko Neo 1973 is better than greenphone. Qt released greenphone, but not upgraded it Actually, we did upgrade it. When we first released the Greenphone, it came with Qtopia 4.1.7, The whole 4.2 series had Greenphone releases. Now we are preparing to release Qtopia 4.3.0. What didn't get upgraded was the kernel. This is because it is out of our control. We don't do hardware, nor kernel development. This is up to the manufacturer, not Trolltech. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery time
John Locke wrote: Hello, I was running Qtopia for 5 or 6 weeks, and under that, I was getting about 5 hours of time tops, whether I used the phone or not. The battery indicator has 5 bars, and after a good 4 hours, there would still be 3 bars left (60%, or so you might think). But by that point, the power dropped very quickly and the phone would just shut off. I managed to flash OpenMoko on the Neo last weekend, even with my broken Aux button (had to take off the faceplate and carefully hold the contact in place, but managed to do it...). I just now got in after having it unplugged for 7 hours, and the battery still shows mostly full. I had set the power management to Dim Only, and with that alone OpenMoko seems to be doing much better than Qtopia. I also notice that the phone is not so hot--Qtopia seems to have it running full power almost all the time. Other notes: Qtopia (Image from around October 7) You might try the flash images available from Trolltech. http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/ I just posted the 4.3.0 release image. * Phone seems to stop working after a few days, and needs to be rebooted. There's no indication when this has happened--you just can't make or receive calls anymore. Haven't seen this one, but I admit, I am always flashing my neo. Will try to look into it though. * Rebooting didn't actually work--I nearly always had to remove the battery to reboot. Try a more recent image. * There was a delay in audio switching, both on outgoing and incoming calls. I never heard the first few words people answered with--I had to start talking when I heard the audio switch, without knowing whether I had actually reached the right person. You never heard a remote line ring--the audio would switch after the call was answered, whether by a person or voicemail. The later was fixed in later version. * SMS is beautiful, when the message arrives when the phone was on. * There's no voicemail indicator--but I received empty text messages when there was a new voicemail, and again after clearing the message. Will look into this. * Phone numbers on the SIM card showed up in the address book. * You can't redial a number or pick a number out of the call history to dial (I think it assumes you have a hard button for that). will look at this one, and submit a bug report. * Dialing a number in the address book works fine, though the button to do it is hard to press with a finger (most other things in Qtopia worked easily without the pen) * You get an echo sound at first, but can use alsamixer to turn down the sidetone and then the phone sounds perfectly normal. * No mediaplayer, feed reader, or all the other cool stuff that's in OpenMoko. * Keyboard auto-completes far too easily (and wrong most of the time) but the zoom keys are actually usable with fingers. * No terminal. Ugh. Do you really need a terminal app on a phone? Most phones do not have a term on them. besides, it is opensource, so anyone could get one working. Any takers? * GPRS doesn't work. Didn't get my bluetooth headset working, either. This is because multiplexing doesn't work either. In Qtopia, GPRS works through the multiplex classes. We don't see a reason to shut off the voice channel to use it as a data channel, or somesuch as the comm guy told me. Thanks for this, it is always useful to get more feedback. Anyone else willing to give feedback it is welcomed. You can even send me an email off list. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia flash image 11/9
Richard Reichenbacher wrote: Richard Reichenbacher wrote: Lorn, I just flashed over the latest image you uploaded. Upon receiving a call, the phone does not ring, I cannot hear the other person they cannot hear me and the alarm clock doesn't ring. Odd thing though is that when I place a call I can be heard and they can hear me. I'm also curious what the state is with getting the gsmhandset.state file working properly. The feedback from the gsm antennae is still very loud and noticeable. Do you think this might be a hardware design flaw from mic being located too close to the gsm antenna? I believe it's just a matter of tweaking the mixer. I have been working on an alsamixer for Qtopia, mostly done but it is not finished yet. It can do simple volume stuff, but it doesn't do the more complicated enumerated switches in the Neo's mixer. I also want to make it support loading of alsa states to be able to set the mixer levels of any of the states. You can adjust the volume of the call, when in the call by going to Settings-Call Options-Call Volume. But it doesn't save this state and will only adjust the volumes of the current state. Actually it's odd. All of a sudden with the last phone call I recieved the state switching seems to have fixed itself. Everything from the alarm, phone calls and media player work fine. I did have to restart qtopia a few times, maybe that did it. Not sure if thats good or bad. :) I have noticed some oddities on first boot as well. Sim contacts don't always seem to get populated. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: full-duplex audio from Wolson codec
rukhsana ansari wrote: Also, the default VOIP application that comes with Trolltech's QPE4.3 image for the Neo does not have sound working. This is a known issue. We haven't added QAudioState switching to the needed parts. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needsapplications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)
Marcelo Lira wrote: From my POV, when people at OpenMoko decided on GTK for its paltform they are giving developers the ability to participate and influence *directly* on its development, and create great apps, both opensource and proprietary, without paying any license fees. The Nokia decision when build the Maemo platform was of the same nature. Qtopia has none of these traits. Look that the pricing is not the most importante issue, its the control over the development of the platform, as the history of Microsoft and IBM roles in the beginning of PCs told us, who controls the software runs the show. I personally prefer the model where the community runs the show, and think that the companies behind OpenMoko and Maemo prefer that no other random company gives the cards on its hardware platform. If you look at the development, both Nokia and Openmoko 'runs the show' and has the last say on their respective platforms, not the community. I would think they would prefer a trusted platform where random developers aren't contributing to possible security and patent issues, one where they could track the code and where it came from more easily. License fees for Qtopia (and Qt) are a pittance compared to the fees of even one engineer for one year for any company (that is for the closed source version), license fees for the GPL version are free. and ISV (Independent Software Vendor) license fees are probably going away. You can influence directly the development of Qtopia very easily. Bug reports/feature requests can be made via Trolltech's bug tracker. Contributing code to Qtopia is really no different than contributing code to FSF/GNU. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needsapplications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)
Marcelo Lira wrote: License fees for Qtopia (and Qt) are a pittance compared to the fees of even one engineer for one year for any company Yes I agree with you before you said it: Look that the pricing is not the most importante issue You can influence directly the development of Qtopia very easily. It appears more that you can assist the development than decide its future. I agree that the patent argument is an issue to every company, but these days who isn't violating another company software patent? The security that Qtopia offers over projects like OpenMoko or Maemo is some patent arsenal from Trolltech, or some agreement like the Novell-Microsoft one? If I'm following correctly almost every opensource project should be judged dangerous by the companies. Trolltech has no patent arsenal, and is against them. http://dot.kde.org/1081772638/ Distributing opensource can be dangerous, especially when audio/video codecs are concerned. Many need to be properly licensed to be distributed. I was speaking of code diligence, and knowing exactly where and when any line of code came from and being able to track it. Trolltech has (opensource) code that cannot be worked on by citizens of certain countries due to export restrictions. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android -
Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Lorn Potter wrote: If you look at the development, both Nokia and Openmoko 'runs the show' and has the last say on their respective platforms, not the community. It is perfectly reasonable to me that Nokia and FIC get to decide the software that's installed on their hardware. But that doesn't take away from the fact that they have chosen free software as the basis for their system. Nokia haven't tried, for example, to take over GTK+ development and add lots of Maemo-relevant patches to the core GTK+ releases (although many of those patches probably should be mainlined). I'm sure that they could, if they chose to. Instead they're working with the upstream community and maintaining patches downstream for their hardware, while trying their best to get as many as possible of those patches back upstream for community approval. Isn't that a model of collaboration worth encouraging? Free software is worth encouraging. Status quo closed source is not. Compare to Qtopia, Trolltech decides the roadmap for the software, and the community is welcome to participate (after signing a copyright assignment) in so far as they agree with that roadmap. Actually, the community (the free software community, our customers and the market in which it is sold) decides Qtopia's roadmap. Contributing code to Qtopia is really no different than contributing code to FSF/GNU. Equating the FSF, a non-profit which guarantees that software assigned to it will remain Free Software ad infinitum with Trolltech, a company who wants to make money off dual licencing by releasing my work under a commercial licence to those who don't like the GPL... that's pretty funny. Trolltech GPL's most of the code it develops, which guarantees that software will remain free ad infinitum. So ya, equating the copyright assignment for both FSF and Trolltech is the same. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: linuxmobiles.org - a new forum
William Weinberg wrote: OCCAM'S RAZR - One ought not to multiply entities without necessity. VENT Why does the world need yet another mobile Linux knitting circle? Just because you can buy a domain name doesn't mean you should mint new .orgs. Sigh. Let's all fight fragmentation with more fragmentation. It's the free software way. /VENT One could say this about basically any open source thing... Why does the world need yet another operating system/platform/desktop/gui/app? Nothing wrong with choice. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android -
AVee wrote: On Monday 19 November 2007 14:54, Marcelo Lira wrote: Free software is worth encouraging. Status quo closed source is not. So, this is a problem, but it is ok to use free software to help the growth of a company that profits in selling licenses for closed source software? Trolltech GPL's most of the code it develops, which guarantees that software will remain free ad infinitum. So ya, equating the copyright assignment for both FSF and Trolltech is the same. Yes, GPL guarantees that, but a library in GPL is not that useful for a developer that sometimes have to do closed source apps. First Qtopia is not open enough, I guess you didn't read that Qtopia Phone is completely GPL, lock, stock and barrel. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No Android on the Neo1973 - Only MyPhone left
On Friday 23 November 2007, AVee wrote: On Thursday 22 November 2007 10:56, Shaul Kedem wrote: Hi, One of his ways out of this is Google releasing the source and someone else compiling for ARMv4. now google said they will open the source (they have no choice, its GPLv2) so I'd wait and see what happens, rant It's not GPLv2 until they actually release it under that license, until now they seem to release only the part they absolutely have to. I am pretty sure Google is not going to release anything allowing anyone to run Android on a actual phone until the first official Android phone has had it's head-start. They will do so to allow their 'partners' a head start, they need to do this to keep them on board. After all, why join a consortium when everybody else gets the same thing? There are some companies in that consortium with notoriously bad track records when it comes to open-source, they did not just change overnight just because Google told them to. First the partners will get to reap Android, after that maybe the community will get something. Welcome to open-source the Google way. Quite actually, the Apache license permits these companies to not contribute back, so I am afraid it will be just 'business as usual' for Android. What is more interesting is Android vm on top of Openmoko and Qtopia. Just like you can run java apps on your desktop. The real challenge is the integration and making those android apps have the same general look and feel consistency with the rest of the gui. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new Qtopia image
Kai Winter wrote: Very good... The SIM card seems to be recognized on every start and phone calls also work ;) But still I can't create a working GPRS connection. Is this a general problem or am I doing something wrong? Nope. It hasn't been implemented yet. Qtopia uses GPRS through the multiplexing code, which hasn't been made working for the Neo yet. The work is still pending, I will ping the comm guy. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new Qtopia image
Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: Wiadomość napisana w dniu Nov 27, 2007, o godz 9:33 AM, przez Lorn Potter: I just uploaded a new Qtopia snapshot image to the downloads section of Qtopia.net. This introduces the new Cruxus mediaengine, which has a few plugins already, which include libmad, tremor (ogg) and timidity, for .wav, .mp3, ogg and .mid file support. Thx for giving us notice! I am wondering if you could help me on some quirks that holds Qtopia one step back from being perfect :) - Is it possible now to dial numer while viewing calls list (i.e. missed calls). In last image you could not do it from there - you had to select open contact, find desired number and select it to call. This bug has not yet been fixed. Will keep an eye on it, though. - How to turn off predictive keyboard? I want to use this keyboard (it is very nice to use with fingers) but I do not want to use english words... When in some edit field there is a downarrow icon to the left of the battery status icon, you can use to switch input methods. I believe predictive keyboard is scheduled to use other (languages) dictionaries, but I am not sure. The sources are open, so anyone with enough interest could make it that way. - How can I use Sync Agent for qtopia 4.3? I couldn't find any pre-compiled version (source either). It would be perfect that I could find version for MacOS X. I think Qtopia Sync Agent will only sync with Outlook. The docs are sparse and I have submitted a bug report about it. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new Qtopia image... Predictive keyboard not being predictive
Richard Reichenbacher wrote: I've been using the latest image from qtopia.net since it was uploaded. I just realized today when I tried to send a text that the keyboard isn't predicting anything. I checked in languages and english is selected. The predictive keyboard comes up when I go to type a message but it just doesn't predict anything. Any ideas? I believe you are right, bad regression. Thanks for that. Bug filed. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new Qtopia image... Predictive keyboard not being predictive
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting clare [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, Richard Reichenbacher wrote: english is selected. The predictive keyboard comes up when I go to type a message but it just doesn't predict anything. Any ideas? Give Thanks - sorry I couuldn't resist... clare I've actually been very lucky with the predictive keyboard. Especially since I have gorilla hands and I'm not very accurate. This is why this keyboard is so awesome, IMHO. You do not have to be stylus accurate to use it. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973 and Qtopia with GPS application
sweet! my neo just got a fix for the first time. Must be the 2.6.23 kernel... because I could not get a fix on any images with the 2.6.22 kernel. This is really nice! Thanks for all you guys that worked on this. GoXbox Live wrote: Hi. I have made a Qtopia image for the Neo1973. The image is quite same as the ones Lorn Potter releases, but mine has added two gps applications. I have made a couple of screenies here: http://www.linuxtogo.org/~goxboxlive/Neo1973/screenshots/RoadGPS.jpg and http://www.linuxtogo.org/~goxboxlive/Neo1973/screenshots/Roadmap-1.jpg http://www.linuxtogo.org/~goxboxlive/Neo1973/screenshots/Roadmap-1.jpg To have this running you have to install gllin yourself, i cant include that because of the restrictions with distribution. Get gllin from here: http://3rdparty.downloads.openmoko.org/gllin/ http://3rdparty.downloads.openmoko.org/gllin/ and install it. The image uses �ngst�m 2008 base linux system and suplied with kernel 2.6.23.1 http://2.6.23.1 How it works. Just hit Roadmap or RoadGPS under applications. It will start gllin automaticly (remember to install it first). When you are done playing with the gps applications and to save battery remember to stop gllin from running by hitting Kill Glin under applications. To get maps for Roadmap read their web site: http://sourceforge.net/projects/roadmap/ My image togehter with the kernel uImage can be downloaded from here: http://www.linuxtogo.org/~goxboxlive/Neo1973/images/ http://www.linuxtogo.org/~goxboxlive/Neo1973/images/ regards gxl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973 and Qtopia with GPS application
GoXbox Live wrote: Hi. I have made a Qtopia image for the Neo1973. The image is quite same as the ones Lorn Potter releases, but mine has added two gps applications. I have made a couple of screenies here: http://www.linuxtogo.org/~goxboxlive/Neo1973/screenshots/RoadGPS.jpg and http://www.linuxtogo.org/~goxboxlive/Neo1973/screenshots/Roadmap-1.jpg http://www.linuxtogo.org/~goxboxlive/Neo1973/screenshots/Roadmap-1.jpg To have this running you have to install gllin yourself, i cant include that because of the restrictions with distribution. Get gllin from here: http://3rdparty.downloads.openmoko.org/gllin/ http://3rdparty.downloads.openmoko.org/gllin/ and install it. The image uses Ängstôm 2008 base linux system and suplied with kernel 2.6.23.1 http://2.6.23.1 How it works. Just hit Roadmap or RoadGPS under applications. It will start gllin automaticly (remember to install it first). When you are done playing with the gps applications and to save battery remember to stop gllin from running by hitting Kill Glin under applications. To get maps for Roadmap read their web site: http://sourceforge.net/projects/roadmap/ My image togehter with the kernel uImage can be downloaded from here: http://www.linuxtogo.org/~goxboxlive/Neo1973/images/ http://www.linuxtogo.org/~goxboxlive/Neo1973/images/ regards gxl It seems the alsa audio modules seems to be missing from your image. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo fast charge utility
Nick Guenther wrote: Hijacking a bit: for the record, all thunder does is write fast_cccv or closed to /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgmode depending on what mode you want, and wrap that up in a nice OM GUI. Any hope for a qtopia version? I can make a script that switches to fast charge mode that will go in the devtools entry. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: noise while making a phone call: hardware or software?
Richard Reichenbacher wrote: From what I can tell the noise comes and goes. When I'm in a good signal area I really don't hear it but when I'm in a bad signal area it's very loud. I asked Lorn Potter what he thought and he said it was probably a software issue. If I was told that was the problem, and I said that sounded like software, I was probably wrong. :) That problem sounds like it might be radio interference. There _is_ a problem with the level of some of the mixer elements in the default gsmhandset.state, though, which seems to cause echo type of thing. Although I'm not too sure because I get the same sound if I set the phone next to my computer speakers. So maybe the case is that the microphone is too close to the GSM modem or the connection from the microphone to the board isn't shielded well enough. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 5:11 PM To: List for OpenMoko community discussion Subject: noise while making a phone call: hardware or software? As we all know, during a call with GTA01 noise is heard in the speaker. I know this has been discussed in the past and I thought someone had found a soft way to solve this. One of the settings in the mixer was too high or something like that. I've been searching for this item but all I can find is bug # 883, which says it's a hardware issue, interference making its way into the GSM audio path one way or another. Does anyone recall any software explanation for this? Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No Voice when using Voip in Qtopia
左 国坤 wrote: Hi, all I am using VOIP by compile Qtopia 4.3.1 Open source for Neo1973 Phase1. I need your help to clear some problems. 1, Incoming call ringtone OK, Answer OK, Hold OK, But No VOICE from Caller, and vice versa. 2, Out Call Keeping with 'Dialing' status, NO Call Tone, No connection to the other end I am a newbie in using Qtopia, maybe something missed in setting when building. Nope. something is missing from Qtopia :) We are currently working on this, I think I will post a new snapshot image when voip is working. You man manually run alsactl -f /etc/alsa/capturehandset.state restore and try that. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New to OpenMoko
Barry Steele wrote: Hi, I just took delivery of a neo1973 (I'm in Australia btw, Sydney). I have inserted the microSD and SIM cards and booted the machine up. I get the boot logo and then Linux tries to start but I get the following: Kernel Panic- not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel While I have a fair bit of Linux experience, I have no idea how to connect to the machine or edit files or whatever. I am looking on the Openmoko site, but I would really appreciate any advice. I am very excited by this. Stay well, Barry The neo does not come with a root filesystem, so you'll have to flash one. For me, Qtopia images from qtopia.net work great :) -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New to OpenMoko
Wilkinson, Alex wrote: IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. and besides, Qtopia is developed in Brisbane Australia :) -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New to OpenMoko
Wilkinson, Alex wrote: 0n Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 08:55:53AM +1000, Lorn Potter wrote: The neo does not come with a root filesystem, so you'll have to flash one. For me, Qtopia images from qtopia.net work great :) Ok, OpenMoko newb (waiting for FreeRunner release) - so bare with me. Why would I use Qtopia images as opposed to OpenMoko images ? Well, I am a little biased, but Qtopia is a more mature and stable phone software. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New to OpenMoko
andy selby wrote: On 16/01/2008, Wilkinson, Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, OpenMoko newb (waiting for FreeRunner release) - so bare with me. Why would I use Qtopia images as opposed to OpenMoko images ? I haven't flashed an openmoko image in a while so I'm not sure how easy it is to get it usable as a phone but qtopia worked straight away and.. *I like the UI *There is a gps app on qtopia (goxboxlive images) *Usable with fingers (I lost my stylus) * ..Err help me out here Lorn u, better programming API? ;) Unfortunatly *there is no terminal what would a typical user need this for? *if it doesnt register to the network the phone stays locked It should timeout after a minute or two and let you in to at least use the gui. * battery life of ~ 5hours This is endemic to the hardware. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What are pros and cons of the different devel environments: qtopia, android, openmoko
Zeth Green wrote: Back to the topic, I am interested in OpenMoko for two reasons. Firstly, and most importantly, as has been previously expressed, the current Android platform proposals and similar Linux phones such as motorola's own Linux platform are thoroughly uninteresting to me so far, there are already a million phones that let you develop within the Java sandbox only. Note that Motorola are planning a native sdk in the near future for their motomax' gui or whatever they are currently calling it. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NO VOICE WHEN USING VOIP IN QTOPIA
左 国坤 wrote: Hi, Nick tks for your advice. how can i kill the gsm function in software level? if using openmoko fw, the gsm can be turned down easily, but when using Qtopia, it seems no menu to kill gsm module or process. Maybe I have to do some configure before build Qtopia source, if it is, how to do it? By the way, I am using a USB connection to internet via bridging host PC ethernet, but not GSM, when using VoIP. Your any good advice will be highly appreciated. Perhaps airplane mode is what you want?: From the homescreen Options-Profile-(scroll down) airplane mode or from Settings-Profiles-Airplane Mode other than that, I could add scripts to the Devtools to turn off the power to gsm. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NO VOICE WHEN USING VOIP IN QTOPIA
Lorn Potter wrote: 左 国坤 wrote: Hi, Nick tks for your advice. how can i kill the gsm function in software level? if using openmoko fw, the gsm can be turned down easily, but when using Qtopia, it seems no menu to kill gsm module or process. Maybe I have to do some configure before build Qtopia source, if it is, how to do it? By the way, I am using a USB connection to internet via bridging host PC ethernet, but not GSM, when using VoIP. Your any good advice will be highly appreciated. Perhaps airplane mode is what you want?: From the homescreen Options-Profile-(scroll down) airplane mode or from Settings-Profiles-Airplane Mode other than that, I could add scripts to the Devtools to turn off the power to gsm. Airplane mode wasn't actually working on the Neo. I just fixed it though, so it will work in the next snapshot. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NO VOICE WHEN USING VOIP IN QTOPIA
左 国坤 wrote: Hi, Lorn, thank you for your suggestions. I have switched to Aireplane mode after add alsactl -f /etc/gsmhandset restore to /etc/init.d/qpe on Line 64. and then restart device. But now no any call can be received and when do a out call, a warning tell me 'You can't make a call at Airplane mode'. You shouldn't need to turn off the gsm/modem to make a voip call. If there's a voip and gsm network active at the same time, Qtopia should popup a dialog and ask the user which one to use (in the case of a dialed number). as for a uri, it will always use voip, for obvious reasons. Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NO VOICE WHEN USING VOIP IN QTOPIA
左 国坤 wrote: Dear Lorn, tks for your reply. Where can I DL your snapshot? Sorry for my no more information about this. Best Regards. George I am still working on voip, once I know it works for the Neo, I will put a new snapshot up at qtopia.net, and will let you know. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software strategy
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2008-01-28.4605718236 Hm. What does this mean to the Qt distribution for the Neo? What does that mean to Maemo? Which one will be abandoned in the long run? Or will they merge? Or Qt for Nokia 810? -- hns http://trolltech.com/28012008/28012008-opensourceletter -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Moko Bluetooth
On Friday 01 February 2008 09:31, Ilkka Urtamo wrote: Hi I got my neo last week (and very happy with it btw). I have it up and running nicely and I am now thinking where to contribute. Wiki is saying that there are plans for BT in neo but does not specify any details on that. I would be interested in working on BT and I am now wondering if there are someone already working on that? If not, then I would like to have some guidance as to how as overall process the BT things should play out. I am not and expert on any particular area but I think I have enough to learn and use the libs (eg. D-Bus, Bluez) properly. These issues are like: Should there be a daemon that controls enabling/disabling BT, pairing, storing PINs and device IDs, reconnects devices that has being paired and becomes available, etc. Or should this be handled only and directly with bluez? This daemon could also control proper settings associated with the connected device (bt headset, UConnect, bt keyboard, Filetransfers,etc). Along with the daemon should be small gui app for entering pin and associated popups? GUI app to issue search, list results, add/remove devices, and other BT related configuration? Any 2cents? Ilkka Urtamo Qtopia has some nice bluetooth integration, and mostly should work. Some parts may not be tested all that much though. :) -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Qtopia 4.3.1 flash image and SDK
Trolltech released Qtopia Phone 4.3.1 today, and with it, a new flash image and vmware based open source Qtopia SDK for the Neo. http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/ GPL Qtopia source code can be downloaded from ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/source Enjoy. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia 4.3.1 flash image and SDK
Paul Eggleton wrote: Lorn Potter wrote: Trolltech released Qtopia Phone 4.3.1 today, and with it, a new flash image and vmware based open source Qtopia SDK for the Neo. Thanks Lorn. Could you also perhaps briefly mention what's new in this release? Cheers, Paul http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/release-4-3-1.html -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
qtopia terminal app
One of the htc-linux guys ported embeddedkonsole/konsole 4 to Qtopia. I have done some more work on it for the Neo and created a qpk of it for the Neo running Qtopia, and put it up at qtopia.net Enjoy. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtopia terminal app
GoXbox Live wrote: Hi ljp. I am about to upload a new Qtopia image for the Neo, I have just some kernel issue left and would like to add the qterminal imporvements to it if there are further changes to it than the source commited to the Qtopia git tree. . Could you also upload the source so others can take advantage of the improvements too. � thx all the changes are in tsdogs branch. Still looking into the input method not closing. goxbixlive 2008/2/11, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: One of the htc-linux guys ported embeddedkonsole/konsole 4 to Qtopia. I have done some more work on it for the Neo and created a qpk of it for the Neo running Qtopia, and put it up at qtopia.net http://qtopia.net Enjoy. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
clare wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2008, Lorn Potter wrote: Actually, for the 02, they are still working out the _hardware_. Except if you try to put your own system on there, a lot of the hardware is not going to work. That's because the tablet devices hardware are not well documented, if at all. and more in the same vein. It seems to me that essentially that is what Mark was saying, THat the Neo in its various forms will be for developers and geeks, for a long time. THat if you want a phone, buy a cheap phone, if you want something else buy a tablet. I have done both those things and neither has the fascination of the Neo. I believe far too much effort has gone into trying to make the Neo into a a lookalike of a common phone; why bother - common phones are cheap and easily available, smaller too, and have cameras etc etc. The real payoff with the Neo will be when the community stops following slavishly what the FIC people are doing and does something new and exciting The community has... it has put Qtopia on the device and made it work very reasonably, I think. (such as happened this week: Mar 14 Johannes Schauer neo1973-germany starting to rumble... ) Is there anything new in Qtopia? where is the latest available please? The 4.3 branch is in bug fix mode, so nothing substantial there. Most work is being done for 4.4 The latest binary for Neo from Trolltech is at qtopia.net. You can find unofficial snapshot releases at http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ The source code for Qtopia can be found at ftp.trolltech.com -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
Mark Haury wrote: Marcin Juszkiewicz openembedded at haerwu.biz mailto:community%40lists.openmoko.org?Subject=FreeRunner%20delayed%20a%20further%206%20months%3F%21%3F%21%3F%3FIn-Reply-To=47DBEEE9.3090305%40gmail.com wrote on Sun Mar 16 11:02:12 CET 2008 Dnia Saturday 15 of March 2008, Mark Haury napisał: In order for there to be competition, there has to be something available. The Trolltech Greenphone comes to mind, though, as its availability matches the Freerunner's at this point. Not to mention that's the origin of Qtopia that everybody seems to be running on their Neos rather than OpenMoko. That's more than a little revealing... Greenphone is past now. Even Trolltech does not use it as developer platform - they switched to Neo1973 few months ago. Exactly my point - the Greenphone hardware is *just* as available as Neo hardware, since both have been sold out for some time. And the fact that people are inclined to use Qtopia rather than Openmoko reveals something about the the status of Openmoko... You say that as it is a bad thing... Rather, it revels something about the status about Qtopia. :) -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
clare wrote: On Sun, 16 Mar 2008, Lorn Potter wrote: The community has... it has put Qtopia on the device and made it work very reasonably, I think. The 4.3 branch is in bug fix mode, so nothing substantial there. Most work is being done for 4.4 The latest binary for Neo from Trolltech is at qtopia.net. Thanks very much. I did set up the one from qtopia.net, with a modern u-boot (5 March) u-boot-gta01bv4-1.3.1+git0+10bbb38a402a2faf18858c451bcdc63d45888e6e+svn4164-r3.bin and the two pieces supplied as qtopia-4.3.1-neo-flash.tgz which is not SD booted, it has apparently to be flashed. I was very disappointed. I don't know why it was very slow compared with what I remember earlier about qtopia. I may try again sometime in the Thats odd. It haven't seen any performance issues like that. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: video/graphics on GTA02
Tom Cooksey wrote: I had those questions too, I think that when 3D specs of the Glamo chip will be available, it will be possible to make some 3D-accelerated tasks, but I've no idea about the performances of this chip. Anyway I don't think it's so great... Right, but because it is local to the glamo where the memory is, it is possible it can surprise us a bit. Currently the Glamo data is under NDA, if anyone with experience on this end is interested to write the driver support they should definitely let us know. I've been toying with the idea of doing some 3D driver work on the Glamo in my spare time for a few months. I'm currently working on OpenGL ES support in Qt/Embedded (formally Qtopia Core). As part of this work, I'm trying to get to grips with the DRM and am starting work on a Qt/E screen driver which uses the DRM modesetting branch. I don't have any experience in writing 3D drivers, but I've poked around the DRM sources and have a fair idea of how it all hangs together. I've also had a brief look around the Xglamo sources. This would be a personal project, in my own time, completely unrelated to Trolltech. What would be involved in getting the docs for the Glamo? I.e. is it possible for an individual to sign the NDA and if so, what would the NDA contain. E-mail me off-list if you believe that would be more appropriate. Hi Tom, smedia wanted $15,000 for the spec docs for their chip. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)
On Wednesday 02 April 2008 18:32, Tom Cooksey wrote: On Sunday 30 March 2008 13:42:23 Harald Welte wrote: On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 07:46:52PM +0100, joerg wrote: Am Do 27. März 2008 schrieb Lally Singh: On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody in the thread at some point said: 2. Actually, is there any hope of getting 3d acceleration out of the graphics chip, or is that too bogged down with NDA-ness? Are we stuck porting Mesa3D? Chance, sure, but the NDA situation is pretty bad it turns out for the Glamo. It's a shame! Poor (Glamo) fools are shooting themselves in the foot on this one. full ACK! Anyway there's hope, there were volunteers on one of the lists yesterday, who might be willing to sign a NDA. Please note though, that being one of the persons who drafted the wording on the contract between Smedia and OpenMoko: The contract contains explicit provisions for OpenMoko preparing a set of documentation for the Glamo chip, not carbon-copying from the original NDA'd docs, and then cooperating with Smedia to jointly release that new manual. However, I doubt that given the current load and priority situation, there would be anyone doing paid work on that set of new documentation. As one (perhaps only one?) who volunteered to start work on a DRM driver This was already looked at by me, as the one who is doing the Neo Qtopia port. Looked at least for a Qt embedded gfxplugin. for the glamo (the first step to 3D), I can confirm that the NDA OpenMoko has with SMedia prevents them from releasing any docs to 3rd parties, with or without an NDA. So, yes, I'm willing to sign an NDA to get the docs to write a driver. This was to be done in my own time and for free. I would have done it on Trolltech's time. :) As OpenMoko isn't allowed to release the docs to me at all, even if I do sign an NDA, I have to go to SMedia. Sadly, as Lorn has pointed out, SMedia wants $15,000 before they will release the docs under NDA. As this was going to be a personal project, I have no intention of forking out $15,000 of my own money to write a driver. I've been in discussion with my managers here in Trolltech to see if the company would put up the cash and perhaps even pay me a little to do it. Sadly we've all agreed that this would take too much time away from my other work and there is other hardware which already have drivers I can work with. This is what we already came to the conclusion of within 3 seconds of reading smedia's offer. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics
Tilman Baumann wrote: Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Patrick Davila wrote: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/04/22/side-by-side-video-windows-mobile-and-embedded-linux/ You have to admit the bling looks pretty. Just a question: the widgets shown are they running on X? It seems they are since you can see kwin running with the KDE default style. And... If I'm right, this means that we could run Qt apps like these also in Openmoko (I mean without X reboot :P), isn't it? Regular K* and Q* apps of course. Just port the qt libs. But not QTopia apps AFAIK. But Holger Freyther (zecke) is currently porting qtopia on x11. See the distro level mailing list for his progress. qtopia already runs on x11. He is working to integrate qtopia x11 with other wm/toolkits and improve qtopia on x. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My Openmoko blog is aimed at helping Freerunner users get started
On Tuesday 20 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Shiloh wrote: I've just posted about the software update that has been discussed here today, so I figured I'd take this opportunity to tell you all about my blog: Cool! Here is another FAQ entry (with a few holes to be filled in): Q) How do I preserve my Contacts, Calendar etc information when re-flashing to a later snapshot? A) Bearing in mind that this is early-access software, we do not recommend that you store large volumes of valuable contact or calendar information in your phone. However, some people have used the following procedures for their most immediate contacts. If you're using a pre-ASU snapshot, all such files are stored in ~/.evolution (/home/root/.evolution), and are in Evolution Database Format; you could in theory copy this information to your desktop and access it via Evolution or EDS (or vice versa). If you're using ASU, this information is stored [WHERE???], and is stored in a QTopia-specific format. Copy the appropriated directories someplace safe BEFORE re-flashing the phone. Either scp -r them from the phone to your desktop, or, cp -r them to the micro-SD card (assuming you put the card in and that it still has space): cp -r [directories listed above] /media/card/. Then re-flash the phone, and copy the files back. Note: the format of these files is subject to change. Or, [THIS IS UNTESTED] download the QTopia Desktop and synchronize your phone with your desktop. The download site is http://trolltech.com/developer/downloads/qtopia/desktopdownloads/ for common platforms; for unsupported platforms, you could maybe get the QTopia Open Source Download and extract and build the QTopia Desktop from that. - If anybody knows the location of the files that QT contacts uses, or has actually tried the QTopia Desktop with the new ASU image, please pipe in! (Please don't guess, because you might cause somebody to waste a lot of time, or lose data :-)) Qtopia contacts are stored in the sqlite database. They can also be copied to the sim card. Qtopia Desktop is too old and will not work with Qtopia version 4. Currently Qtopia will only sync to Outlook (I think). Someone could write plugins for others. Thanks Ian Darwin -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ASU: Qtopia PIM info stored in sqlite database
On Thursday 22 May 2008 08:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Qtopia contacts are stored in the sqlite database. Thanks for the info Lorn. Can you tell where the sqlite database is stored or is that not Qtopia determined? The users database is /home/user/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: clarification of Qtopia Vs. GTK
On Thursday 22 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had some further discussions with headquarters, and have edited my blog to try to explain the new software a little better. The important facts are that the new software: * Switches the Window Manager from Matchbox to Enlightenment (E17) * Ported Qtopia to Xorg, so it is possible to run Qtopia, GTK, ELF, and Python applications all at the same time Actually, Trolltech had done most of the 'porting' to X11 work already. * Replaced the GTK-based basic phone suite (dialer, contacts, SMS) with ones based on Qtopia I hope this better explains the situation. Regards, Michael (Full posting at http://gettingstartedopenmoko.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/openmoko-software-up date/) -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: clarification of Qtopia Vs. GTK
On Friday 23 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michele Renda wrote: Hi Tilman I think they prefered to use an existent project, because they need something running and to concentrate their energy to hardware part. They want to concentrate to the project of hardware, not in GUI writing. Openmoko is a Software project. The software is the only thing that helps to make this 1990ies like piece of hardware cool. According me is a good idea to reuse the software wrote by other people. In every case the software previously written in not trashed. It is released with open licences and it can be implemented by someone who hate too much Qtopia. Hope so. The problem is that the community has little resources. Dividing these resources does not sound like a good idea. And i cant's see how it helpes to throw most of the good work away. (Ok, some was crap. But nothing beyond repair) I think this will piss of developers. And users. You can please some of the people some of the time, but you cannot please all of the people all of the time. Openmoko turned into a nice mobile computing platform with a very technocratic view on things. This is a feature. I would say, _the_ feature. and it still exists. Concorrence is always good for users :) Not necessarily. I prefer innovation. Especially in a industrey that has not produced innovation and good software for decades. (At least not since apple came.) Apple has had their share of junker software/hardware. If anyone is in the position to change that, it's we. I don't like so sound to negative. I like most of the changes. But i think throwing the gtk apps away and replace them by the QTopia apps is stupid. I would rather like to see a transition to EFL for the gtk apps. Everything i have seen so far from qtopia apps looks bland and boring. Qtopia is easily changed/hacked on. The source code is provided for free. You would be amazed at what some of Qtopia's customers are doing with it. It's got styles/theming, has dynamic layouting, and easy translating even for LTR languages. I like the qtopia plattform, as a plattform. But i don't think it's the way to build the nerdiest phone ever. Especially after so much was done right before in a completely different way. Qtopia AFAIK has it's own pim storage api. How would non-qt apps use them? Qtopia pim data are stored in a sqlite database. It is not a secret, nor is it proprietary or locked down. So your application has a choice whether to use some library that can access sqlite (Qtopia has that of course), or use the commandline interface to sqlite. And the gsm stuff? Does this mean we now use the qtpia gsm stack? letting gsmd die would probably one of the better ideas. But i rather like so see it replaced by something similar but working instead of a set of qt apis. What is wrong with Qtopia's gsm stack? For the most part, it works. It doesn't crash, and can send and receive sms messages. and best of all, it's already written and working. If someone wrote/'ported' a wap stack, it would even do mms. Let's put it this way. Once I got the hardware, it took me less than week to have Qtopia up and sending/receiving sms's and making phone calls. Is there any place where to look which back end functionalities will change? Like evolution data server, dbus apis, gsmd, PhoneKit and such... Well, we will see... I should better keep my mouth shut and wait until there are GTA01 builds. Regards Tilman -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: clarification of Qtopia Vs. GTK
On Saturday 24 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 23.05.2008 um 20:49 schrieb Lorn Potter: If anyone is in the position to change that, it's we. I don't like so sound to negative. I like most of the changes. But i think throwing the gtk apps away and replace them by the QTopia apps is stupid. I would rather like to see a transition to EFL for the gtk apps. Everything i have seen so far from qtopia apps looks bland and boring. Qtopia is easily changed/hacked on. The source code is provided for free. You would be amazed at what some of Qtopia's customers are doing with it. It's got styles/theming, has dynamic layouting, and easy translating even for LTR languages. I like to get surprised... :) I like the qtopia plattform, as a plattform. But i don't think it's the way to build the nerdiest phone ever. Especially after so much was done right before in a completely different way. Qtopia AFAIK has it's own pim storage api. How would non-qt apps use them? Qtopia pim data are stored in a sqlite database. It is not a secret, nor is it proprietary or locked down. So your application has a choice whether to use some library that can access sqlite (Qtopia has that of course), or use the commandline interface to sqlite. Well, that is a long time after embedded evolution data server was declared the way to go on openmoko. And just my 2 Eurocents. I think this was a good decision. And the gsm stuff? Does this mean we now use the qtpia gsm stack? letting gsmd die would probably one of the better ideas. But i rather like so see it replaced by something similar but working instead of a set of qt apis. What is wrong with Qtopia's gsm stack? For the most part, it works. It doesn't crash, and can send and receive sms messages. and best of all, it's already written and working. If someone wrote/'ported' a wap stack, it would even do mms. AFAIK it's a qt-API not a daemon, server whatever. I assume this means the dialer app becomes part of the phone framework? The dialer can be replaced. It is not part of the QtopiaPhoneModem library, it is part of the server. Same concerns as for the PIM stuff. This makes gui apps infrastructure. Qtopia is not one big binary. It has it's own libraries. The apps are separate from the libraries. Let's put it this way. Once I got the hardware, it took me less than week to have Qtopia up and sending/receiving sms's and making phone calls. I always wondered why no one took teyr code and put it into something like gsmd. *g* Because the gsm code in Qtopia is specific to Qt and Qtopia. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: clarification of Qtopia Vs. GTK
On Saturday 24 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just wanted to add that I think Qtopia is very interesting, and I'm really looking forward to trying it on my neo, and thank you to Trolltech for helping out with getting it on X11 and on the neo, and for putting up with all the criticism. No worries, mate! Thanks for that. Also, for the QT-naysayers: all the software is opensource, and you can easily get the GTK stack back in there in no-time (hell, currently it's easier to find the GTK images than the ASU images). So, what's the big trouble? Just my couple of eurocents, and hoping to get my efl+qt+gtk neo soon. Ivo Anjo -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community Digest, Vol 80, Issue 44
On Sunday 25 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So how about the telephony parts of QT in moko, we need to develop by ourself or use commercial version instead? Bin Qtopia Phone GPL version contains all of the parts needed. Qtopia Phone is completely open source. A Neo running Qtopia GPL is completely workable. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qte or Qt?
On Sunday 25 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As ASU switched to Qt, to ensure the coexistence of GTK+ and QT, the backend should be chosen to X11. As I know, QTE only support framebuffer backend, so OM use desktop QT but not QTE? last year, Trolltech had done some work to get Qtopia Phone Edition running with Qt X11. This was experimental and in an alpha state. Openmoko is trying to get Qtopia X11 in a better state and more optimized to be able to run on their production devices. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My experience with the Freerunner
steve wrote: Ian got a phone with the Apps based on GTK. everyone will. However, I wanted to let the community see the NEXT STEP. So the next step ( ASU) is now public. you need a GTA02 to appreciate it. and even then it's a raw first look at pre alpha software. Actually, I believe they started making images for gta01 as well. http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/ They are the Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image files. Be sure to also update your kernel. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: using the openmoko neo101 in mass storage mode
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: manoj kumar wrote: Can the openmoko mobile be used as a mass storage device, or can it be networked with windows??? Well, from a technical point of view I agree that making the Neo to show itself as a mass storage device it's bad, but I honestly think that this could be very useful. How is that bad? It is the way it is supposed to work, otherwise the chip would not have both capabilities.. For example, you're using a PC that you can't control totally and you've not the USB-networking windows drivers with you (well, I generally don't keep with me these things when traveling, for example :P) but you'd like/need to load some data in your Freerunner. How could you do that? I figure that the mass-storage way could be the only solution to this. Am I wrong? -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner test
On Saturday 31 May 2008, Kevin Dean wrote: On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 4:35 PM, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yorick Matthys wrote: I don't know how to post on the mailing list (shame on me, I know...) although i read every mail that gets posted on them, so I write it directly to your e-mail address. If you're subscribed to the mailing list, just address messages to community@lists.openmoko.org and everyone will get a copy. could you also give an indication for how long it takes to get a gps fix (cold/warm start) ? Or about the audio quality with a standard headset? I understand completely if you can't be bothered with these questions, if so, please excuse me; it's just I'm so damn anxious to get my hands on a freerunner :-). I haven't done any audio or GPS tests on my Freerunner yet. Have any of the other Freerunner testers done anything in this regard? Unscientific testing, yes. The echo is still there. :) I'm getting annoying GSM buzz on the Freerunner when using certain SIM cards (I need to confirm this with more SIM cards). It sounds as if the Freerunner has the capability to be louder but calls seem quieter (though this is configurable). I've done nothing with GPS since the ASU doesn't have a functional GPS app yet but I might poke at it with a 2007.02 image and TangoGPS this weekend. If not, I'll try some testing this weekend if I can figure out how to get the GPS working. If someone knows what to do to get gps device going and can instruct me, Qtopia 4.4 has a mapping demo for testing. It has both nmea and gpsd plugins. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner test
Andy Green wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | If someone knows what to do to get gps device going and can instruct me, | Qtopia 4.4 has a mapping demo for testing. It has both nmea and gpsd plugins. Here is a standalone shell script to see GPS NMEA that shows what needs to happen. echo 0 /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron \ sleep 1s \ echo 1 /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron \ stty -F /dev/ttySAC1 -echo \ cat -u /dev/ttySAC1 | grep -v ^$ Thanks for that. I can report that the gta02 device I have, gps is working fine. :) Seems to get a fix faster than gta01. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Yummy new CPU/GPU combo
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 04:26:25 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: And they use WINE to run android dev stuff on linux? My god - that beggars the imagination. I think he's talking about other applications. I think picasa uses wine. and google earth No, Google Earth is a native Qt application... Only Picasa uses wine. it is? you are right. its incredibly bad fonts and ugliness and general attempt to look as much like win95 as possible had me fooled :) Then you need to set up your distro better. Qt is easily configurable. You can use qconfig to set Qt to use preferred fonts/style, etc. an ldd of the binary does show it's using qt... :) -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Click Feedback?
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Ok, a first summary: *) I still like my tap sound. *) Almost all people do not want the tap sound. *) All people do care about getting event sounds while they're playing something (needs help from a sound daemon or touching every application) *) I was wrong about the real meaning of PA deprecating autounloading. I have discovered module-suspend-on-idle :) Conclusions: *) I will keep PA for the time being and activate module-suspend-on-idle *) You will be able to turn off the tap ;) Thanks for all comments! What about the CPU performance? -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Click Feedback?
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: On Wednesday 11 June 2008 02:39:08 Lorn Potter wrote: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Ok, a first summary: *) I still like my tap sound. *) Almost all people do not want the tap sound. *) All people do care about getting event sounds while they're playing something (needs help from a sound daemon or touching every application) *) I was wrong about the real meaning of PA deprecating autounloading. I have discovered module-suspend-on-idle :) Conclusions: *) I will keep PA for the time being and activate module-suspend-on-idle *) You will be able to turn off the tap ;) Thanks for all comments! What about the CPU performance? Not measurable when it's idle. How about when it's active? :) -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Nokia expects open source developers to accept things like DRM, commercial IP rights, and SIM locks.
Michael T. Dean wrote: On 06/13/2008 02:47 PM, Stroller wrote: Open-source developers targeting the mobile space need to learn business rules including digital rights management, Nokia's software chief has claimed. ... Full article: http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/jun2008/gb20080612_288518.htm My favorite line, As an industry, we plan to use open-source technologies but we are not yet ready to play by the rules; but this needs to work the other way round too. What exactly does he mean by that? It sounds like he's saying that the industry is going to ignore the rules of open source and wants open source developers to ignore the rules of the industry? Though I'll admit that interpretation is a complete contradiction of everything else in the article, I can't come up with another interpretation. I'm guessing it's a bad quotation in the article or he just happened to choose the wrong words to convey his message. Considering English is not his native language... I am sure something did not come through as he intended. I think what he means is this: Businesses are not yet ready to fully embrace open source as the community see's it. He also means that the open source community should learn WHY things are the way they are. You don't have to agree with those ideas, but knowledge about it doesn't hurt anybody and could benefit by enabling us to help change things. Remember, Nokia might be one company, but it is made by individuals. A lot of them. Who have differing ideas about things. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: handwriting recognition?
arne anka wrote: i looked around a bit but i cannot find informations about the state of handwriting recognition or whether it exists at all. i liked palm's old graffiti very much (the new graffiti 2 is crap) and would like to be able to use a similar approach on my freerunner, too. Qtopia has a handwriting inputmethod. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO Image gets it right
Graeme Gregory wrote: Well I have seen the future and the future is FSO. For the first time I have been able to make and receive phone calls on a gta02 without hassle. GTK+ software could no do this, qtopia software cannot do this. ermmm.. Qtopia makes calls just fine on both devices. And the best of it is, this was on my broken GTA02 where the gsm is about as reliable as a robin reliant (non UK people look up Only Fools and Horses). Things are looking good now we have solid gsm. Graeme -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO Image gets it right
Kevin Dean wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Graeme Gregory wrote: Well I have seen the future and the future is FSO. For the first time I have been able to make and receive phone calls on a gta02 without hassle. GTK+ software could no do this, qtopia software cannot do this. ermmm.. Qtopia makes calls just fine on both devices. Excellent! I already know the answer, but where can I get a Qtopia image for the Freerunner? :P Sorry, just have to poke at you on that one. :) I run Qtopia on my 01 and kinda leave the freerunenr on my home desk since I can't be seperated from my Podcasts. :) Sorry I am unable to release any Qtopia binaries until the sources at ftp.trolltech.com are put back up. Qtopia 4.4 will have webkit, though. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Initiative GTK
Marcus Bauer wrote: Hello, I'm wondering if there is any interest in maintaining the GTK software stack? Actually many companies have expressed their interest in a GTK based platform as it is perceived as more future proof than some kind of exotic software stack with a very small developer base. Lots of hesitation comes from the switch to this new stack-mix as all the big ones are going GTK: * Limo (pretty much all big mobile companies plus Intel etc) * Lips * Firefox * Openoffice * Ubuntu * Ubuntu mobile * Garmin Garmin's nuvifone is based on Qtopia. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Initiative GTK
Jisakiel wrote: You forget the biggest: Nokia (sells as many phones a day as iphones yet sold). 14 Nokia phones are made each second. Rest are just startups so far, or non-mobile-phone-related... And Nokia looks like interested in QTopia (as they bought Trolltech!) ;) Firefox (xulrunner, as the GUI is not appropiate) can be replaced by khtml, or however it is called now that it's part of qt 4.4. QWebKit Openoffice in a phone does not currently makes sense (not adecuate gui, too heavyweight). Therefore I'm not really so sure whether to bet on GTK or on QT... Qt will be a common API across all Nokia platforms. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Initiative GTK
Marcus Bauer wrote: On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 04:13 +1000, Lorn Potter wrote: Marcus Bauer wrote: Hello, I'm wondering if there is any interest in maintaining the GTK software stack? Actually many companies have expressed their interest in a GTK based platform as it is perceived as more future proof than some kind of exotic software stack with a very small developer base. Lots of hesitation comes from the switch to this new stack-mix as all the big ones are going GTK: * Limo (pretty much all big mobile companies plus Intel etc) * Lips * Firefox * Openoffice * Ubuntu * Ubuntu mobile * Garmin Garmin's nuvifone is based on Qtopia. Not the upcoming ones: http://butterfeet.org/?p=57 That seems to be a different line of devices (in car navigation), and does not have any gsm features. http://www8.garmin.com/nuvifone/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Software Status - Shall I buy or shall I wait?
Ingmar RIeger wrote: Hello, I'm watching the OpenMoko Project for more than a year. And now with a available Phone with W-Lan I'm thinking, if I shall buy it now. I often read the list the last weeks but not everything is clear to me now. I'll write a list of Questions what isn't clear for me now and I'm hopping, you can help me. 1.) How long is the battery life? Can I use the FreeRunner a hole day if I only use little MP3, maybe a short phone call and maybe a little time GPS? And are there batteries available which could be charged in the FR? I often read that Nokia batteries are utilizable but not chargeable. 2.) Whats the state of the software? I mean both, the normal software and the ASU one. Is it possible to make and recive calls with both? This would be the most important thing if some other functions work. And which of the following things is working on which version of the distribution? Speaking for Qtopia phone (not ASU, thats really not Qtopia), phone calls and sms have worked since the first week I got a neo1973. 3.) Is there a browser which basically works and which can use a proxy? Qtopia 4.4 will have a working web browser. 4.) Is there a working application for GPS logging/tracking? I'm a OpenStreetMap-User and I want to contribute with the FR. There is a third party application, open citymap which runs on Qtopia. I will try to compile it for gta0* There is also a GPS example app in Qtopia, but that just spits out lat/long coords. If you are really good, you can navigate that way. 5.) Is there a working MP3-Player with basic functions? This is one of the most use cases for me. Qtopia phone does. :) Haven't tried it lately, but will test today. 6.) Is there a funambol-connector for the addressbook and the callender or is somebody working on it? -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: VMWare Freerunner Flash
On Tuesday 08 July 2008, Johan Badenhorst wrote: Hi guys, I was just wondering if anyone has flashed their Freerunners using VMWare Player on Windows and if that would even be possible? Alternatively would it be possible to use colinux or a similar tool? I've been developing for Maemo using VMWare successfully because I am stuck without a linux machine at present. The Internet Tablets have a Windows flashing tool though, so I've never had to attempt to flash from a virtual machine. If this isn't an option I'll use a live CD. Thanks for any response and good luck to all the other developers out there getting ready for the arrival of your freerunners e From all my testing on the qtopia sdk would indicate that dfu-util and vmware do not play well together. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Where is Qtopia image on qtopia.net for GTA01
Pranav Desai wrote: Hello All, I wanted to try out the Qtopia image provided by trolltech on my Neo1973, but the only image I could find was for the freerunner here http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/index.php Can I use the same one? If not then can anyone point me to correct location. I will put a new image up for the 1973 today. Also, is this qtopia image similar to the one here http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200807/20080708/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080708-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 Thats not Qtopia, thats ASU from Openmoko. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia 4.4
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Is it something different from what we already have on git.openmoko.org? Since I've only heard rumors about it... Anyway what are its key-points? QtWebKit support, Freerunner support, then what else? Any release date is planned for freerunner owners? Yes, we do have a release coming soon, and there will be 1973 and freerunner images available. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?
dorje wrote: Hi all! :) I bought freerunner and I wanted to install qtopia on it but... I can't find what is the suggested build to install and I can't find the correct files to download, in any daily build directory! I know only that I need a .bin file for the kernel and a .jffs2 file for the root filesystem. Thank you for any suggestion... ;) There is a Qtopia image for freerunner at qtopia.net. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?
dorje wrote: Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is a Qtopia image for freerunner at qtopia.net. Thank you! :) Can I use the rootfs-gta02.tgz directly whith dfu-util or have I to build a jffs2 file? Get the Qtopia flash image for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02) file instead. http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AW: Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have build a jffs2 file; mkfs.jffs2 --pad=0x70 -o rootfs.jffs2 -e 0x4000 -n -d /tmp/jffsroot/ than, i installed the jffs2 with dfu-util...all things looks good...but when i boot this rootfs, i just see a black screen with a white underline and all ca. 20 sec. i see a graphical interface for ca. 2 sec...thats all... what do i wrong..? thanks for all inputs! The tarball you downloaded is a bare rootfs, there is no gui on it. Get the one labeled Qtopia flash image for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02) -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AW: Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?
Lorn Potter wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have build a jffs2 file; mkfs.jffs2 --pad=0x70 -o rootfs.jffs2 -e 0x4000 -n -d /tmp/jffsroot/ than, i installed the jffs2 with dfu-util...all things looks good...but when i boot this rootfs, i just see a black screen with a white underline and all ca. 20 sec. i see a graphical interface for ca. 2 sec...thats all... what do i wrong..? thanks for all inputs! The tarball you downloaded is a bare rootfs, there is no gui on it. Get the one labeled Qtopia flash image for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02) hmm... must drink coffee before I reply... you need to hit the screen to keep it alive. That Qtopia has suspend enabled and probably is suspending. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AW: Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?
GoXbox Live wrote: Hi Lorn Could you also make images for NEO1973. Or is this image compatible with GTA01 also? gxl That one is not compatible with gta01, although the same Qtopia should be and is used for both images. I was working on that yesterday, but got sidetracked. I should have the gta01 image up today sometime (AU time that is) -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?
Kevin Dean wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get the Qtopia flash image for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02) file instead. http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 That image is the one that contains a tar.gz image of the rootfs, not a jffs2 image. indeed. sorry about that. will fix in a few hours. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?
Lorn Potter wrote: Kevin Dean wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get the Qtopia flash image for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02) file instead. http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 That image is the one that contains a tar.gz image of the rootfs, not a jffs2 image. indeed. sorry about that. will fix in a few hours. ok. That file is updated. :) -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AW: Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sorry lorn, cheered to soon... there are any problems with the mic and the speaker...so, i can create call`s but i hear nothing and on the opposition are nothing too..so, the main-application (create receive call`s) don`t function on my freerunner...the other tings are tiptop anyone how can confirm that problem? quickfix: ssh into the device as root, and then do ln -s /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios /etc/alsa restart qtopia Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 11.07.2008 01:24 An: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download? Lorn Potter wrote: Kevin Dean wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get the Qtopia flash image for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02) file instead. http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 That image is the one that contains a tar.gz image of the rootfs, not a jffs2 image. indeed. sorry about that. will fix in a few hours. ok. That file is updated. :) -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
