a bit lower, wouldn't frown on having to re-encode
spesifically for optimal playback on the phone. If workable, how long
could one expect to sustain playback on a charged battery?
Educated guestimates welcome from people familiar with this class of
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to multiplex several terminal connections (among
others) over a single TCP link. Thus you only have to authenticate once.
See OpenSSH's -S option.
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transmitting the codec's output as soon as any is
available.
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priced deals, this kind of thing would be especially useful.
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that BT is in, at least in hardware even
if the software side isn't polished all the way on release. Still, best
not to spam the list too much about it (again :); I'm sure the FIC guys
are doing their best to have as good a phone as they can hit the market.
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. Or is it safe to assume that any GSM SIM
card worldwide will work. It appears to be standard size.
Any 1900 MHz capable GSM phone should work _if_ Docomo hasn't prevented
it for one silly reason or another. If they have, they should know, so
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in the initial version.
Should be workable, since OpenMoko runs a 2.6 Linux kernel with much of
its potential hardware support, however you'd need to power the WiFi
device externally since Neo's USB host will be unpowered.
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ke, 2007-01-17 kello 17:48 +0100, Harald Welte kirjoitti:
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XVideo
This peaked my curiosity; does Neo's display hardware support scaling
and/or colorspace conversion independent of the main CPU? Would help
with video applications...
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the same service available on
the net.
Then you just need a local player for the flv (or what-have-you), and
enough horsepower to play the vid. They tend to be pretty low-res
though, perhaps that'll help with the resource requirements...
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this generically to the list, and not
spesifically at David here, just that his happened to be the comment I
finally decided to throw in my figurative two cents.)
This will be my only comment to this thread. If you wish a reply from me
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as well, but whatever.)
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and the x264 project can encode it,
so the copyright-wise free code is out there already, for the future.
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, but great if you
can at some point provide code/info for the QVGA mode. And Keith getting
a p0 phone, that's a nice one too ;)
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to take some work off of the Neo CPU.
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like their pics not very fuzzy, there's handy dedicated cameras (many of
which would probably interface with the Moko nicely; as such cameras
have their own internal powersources, if their software isn't confused
by not getting power
devices that are (un)co-operative directly with the powerless Neo host.
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whatever the OLPC (One
Laptop Per Child) folks are using.
That's been mentioned and Sean noted it. It may yet prove fruitful in
future OpenMoko devices, yes, but of course I'm also only guessing from
a non-FIC standpoint.
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comparison to prerecorded samples (which
would, as you noted, be at least somewhat speaker dependent and the
training is a small bother, but nevertheless such a thing would do just
fine if you just want to activate predetermined functions). Worked
pretty well on an 486/66.
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and the display controller are different animals;
also, even if the adapter supported 18-bit color, it is rather an exotic
depth for X; might be some trouble in making everything work on it...
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here has made you humor-impaired :)
This was obviously (and as confirmed on IRC) a parody of the kind of
handholding demanded by Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] (and I do
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su, 2007-04-15 kello 21:41 +0400, xnike kirjoitti:
I just want to know is it good idea to use qt4 (not Qtopia) for
OpenMoko's apps?
No, since it adds a big dependency that most OpenMoko users are not
likely to already have. Eats storage and memory and install-time
bandwidth.
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for wireless
at home and perhaps work (and hey, then I can use my laptop as a BT/WiFi
bridge ;P ).
(I'll pass on DUN, it's just... more of a kludge, and we have a proper
hackable system to be able to do it right. Some may of course find it
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class A, and I suppose some phones have it. Neo
uses a class B GSM/GPRS chip (according to Sean's vague recollection at
a seminar ;), which will have to suspend GPRS for voice/SMS, though.
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on the IRC channel about making OSM
mapping into a game, with points for mapped streets etc.
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revision will likely have a faster
CPU; final specs have been promised at the same time P1 sales will
start, hopefully soon :]
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provider.
Compatibility with cryptophone.de probably possible, since their
protocol seems to be up for reimplementation. Either way, at least
Moko-to-Moko encrypted calls are quite possible to implement, just that
somebody (TM) needs to do the work.
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to the police if they want them. Consult a
local lawyer.
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this information factual enough to answer your
mail, especially since it's not likely the developers are willing to
answer you in any more certain terms at this point in time, so I'm
trying to save everyone time by collecting and conveying this info now.
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features possibly in GTA-02 would be a whole
different can of worms, then, and would probably require duplication of
effort. Come to think of it, eg. the current OpenGL acceleration
framework is X.org-integrated, would probably require some effort to
hack OpenGL ME acceleration without it.
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graphics platform etc.
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changed somehow
due to the delays is totally unwarranted. You're not qualified to jump
to assumptions here.
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keyboard thingies that I presume will attach to the Neo nicely but
probably only in a portrait orientation, making it a suboptimal choice
for many gaming needs:
http://www.pocketnow.com/html/portal/reviews/000725/review/freedom%20mini%20keyboard%20with%20device.jpg
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-alone. You can get a quicker
cold fix if the driver can fetch some assist data from the network
(what, NZ don't have GPRS?), but this isn't required.
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, but can also take
advantage of assist data for faster/better fixing.
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that building a more complete IM solution on
top of SMS doesn't seem like the thing to do.
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Not to say that there isn't a place for SMS, but those are generally
insanely priced; at least with data pricing there are islands of
sanity ;)
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as an open one would be
modified.
In short, yes, this is evil, but considering the open nature of the
phone, I doubt many marketing people would pay a lot for their ads on
this sort of a platform.
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and device
modes, you just need a non-standard cable or adapters to hook it up to a
USB device. (Remember the caveat about needing power from outside.)
I wonder though if the Advanced kit host mode cable would accept some
sort of a power plug so we could feed it 5 and 0V from the side
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network. It will not work in a 3G network, so there's nothing to
fall back _from_.
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for all your commentary and work so far, don't kill yourself with
it. I'm sure I speak for more than myself in wishing you a speedy but
decidedly not hurried recovery.
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isn't here yet.
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on the subject, but thought it necessary to note the
opposing opinion's presence in this context.
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you're often actually doing
something when you need it, but eg. using the Neo as a BT GPS probably
would apparently be otherwise feasible with a bit less of a drain.
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for this functionality at
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS
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wireless for
anything more than $200.
No and frankly, I wouldn't rely on that option, for your price.
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, adding
bandwidth and range at the cost of more power.
Both will of course require connection setup control software, but that
shouldn't be too much of a burden.
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ma, 2007-07-30 kello 15:51 -0500, Adam Krikstone kirjoitti:
I see no mention of it anywhere on the wiki or lists. Does anyone know
the FCC ID?
The unit I received today has a sticker saying FCC ID: EUNGTA01BV4
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a p2p network,
shall we? HTH and cheers.
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but then you'll lose the call if you wonder out of range. I believe I
saw someone starting work on that on #openmoko.
Disclaimer: I'm relaying this information from memory, and don't have
personal experience or knowledge of the GSM side of this matter.
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la, 2007-09-01 kello 11:55 +0200, Alexey Feldgendler kirjoitti:
4 RF systems? GSM/GPRS, Bluetooth, WiFi, what's the fourth?
GPS
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This is not really new for the Neo either; never mind GTA01's GPS chip,
even the LCD screen doesn't have free docs. Signs of the times...
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to be the best deal OM are
likely to get in this area. I pretty much trust the OM guys to feel the
same way, since, well, they picked the SMedia.
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).
Cheers all around,
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a functional upper hand, with no arbitrary limits or
costs for trivial services, then it's time for the big push to ordinary
people. (Not that one shouldn't do some pushing before that, either.)
Who me? Certainly not with OpenMoko or FIC.
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pe, 2007-09-07 kello 21:49 +0200, Jens Fursund kirjoitti:
All this sounds really good, but am I wrong when I say that the GPS has
been cancelled for GTA02?
Yes you are, and please don't quote an entire message for a short
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being controlled by a single firm; basically that's just
something to consider for those who eventually get hacking on this.
Sadly, it's too big a project for me.
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. (One of the S-Media models does H.264, but no VGA.)
Can't really feel much pain for that, personally.
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- and
we're trying to continuously to push the borders any further. We make
our position at chip manufacturers very clear. And we're having very
fruitful discussions and results that I am proud of.
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necessary...
PS: Did I mention that I'd suggest being careful buying Panasonic if you
don't want crippled products? Good.
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to various regulations (like, e.g., speaking the GSM protocol correctly).
Again, that part is handled by the GSM chip, which has closed firmware.
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diversion). This is not constructive criticism and said arrows will be
well deserved.
(FWIW, personally, I like the Neo design ok, though the touchscreen
could be less deep; not killer, but need to design stuff not to require
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of the Neo is a resounding does not, will
not. The Neo is a 2G GSM phone.
The SIM compatibility issue is a different one. Hopefully TI fixes that
and the Neo can be upgraded if necessary in a reasonably accessible way.
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ma, 2007-10-08 kello 13:51 -0700, ian douglas kirjoitti:
I'm disappointed that this isn't something that's field-programmable.
Well, as it is the GSM chip we're talking about, you might primarily
take it up with the local authorities; FCC, I believe.
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ma, 2007-10-08 kello 22:47 -0400, Steve kirjoitti:
I wonder why this update can't be done in the field.
Field means you. The GSM chip is upgradable by people with the
necessary equipment, which will likely mean FIC, and hopefully any
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(and
possibly FUUG, I forget) hold monthly Linux theme nights, with November
14th being my OpenMoko talk. These talks will most probably have a lot
in common in practice :]
I'll be posting my notes for interested parties.
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to give raw data as well in some format)
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and I'm still rooting for OpenMoko, merely not fanatically so.)
The road ahead will perhaps be more interesting than especially those
with heavy personal investments on OpenMoko would like. Let's try and
make the best of it.
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it personally (I don't know;
if so, good on him, and that would just go to show why patents are bad...)
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of playing ogg, the pulseaudio sound server
seemed to take quite a lot of CPU when I tried playing music, though
this was a long while ago... ogg123 from command line using direct alsa
was a lot better. Wonder if something could be optimized here without
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pre-transcoded QVGA video playing _now_ on the GTA01's,
so things aren't looking bad from where I'm standing.
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proxy is in a
prototype stage, because, you know, this being an open phone, there's no
need for one to limit oneself to proprietary solutions, even if there's
not a free one available right this instant.
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_nice_).
Basic old-school 384k UMTS would be quite an okay tradeoff.
Anyway, for now, still anxious for the Freerunner. Cheerio.
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make things smoother for it
too in some situations.
Should really also check if someone's already done that sort of thing,
one would think someone might've...
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a data plan.
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On ti, 2008-04-08 at 16:02 +0100, Andy Green wrote:
I think you're right, but just a thought if you could issue ready-coded
GSM codec frames, you can put the data direct in there for 1KBytes/sec
Yeah, but you can't.
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mostly mentions of 1st gen analog mobiles having
been used with modems, and notably At the same time, the speech
oriented audio compression used in GSM actually meant that data rates
using a traditional modem connected to the phone would have been even
lower than with older analogue systems.
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break the spec again at that
point to sell new devices...
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you touch upon here: Have the FreeRunner share its wifi access
with a nearby 1973 through bluetooth ;)
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that your phone would instantly
become useless crap, wouldn't it. Wouldn't it?
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the Freerunner is to get driver support for that Glamo mpeg-4 decoding
(remember, the hardware is capable). Hopefully everyone's grasping at
straws makes OM bump up the priority a bit (though again, for now there
are certainly more important things to do).
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On ma, 2008-04-28 at 16:13 +0200, Jens Fursund wrote:
Is mpeg-4 decoding in the Glamo chip only video? Or could we use it to
decode audio as well to decrease CPU-time, thereby having more
batterytime for playing mpeg4 audio?
Video only.
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frames.
(Also the CPU will have more time to spend for doing the I/O.)
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reader in GTA02 is hooked up to the GPU, as opposed to the SoC, so it's
quite a low-level difference. (I have an 8 GB one in my GTA01 myself.)
That said, Joachim verifying a 4 GB card working gives good reason to
assume pretty much any SDHC will.
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possible ?
Yes. It isn't.
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for somebody interested to experiment...
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some work in addition to simple
recompilation, but shouldn't be an unreasonable amount of work.
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of those beasts out reasonably fast, since GSM is, well, aged, and
lacking 3G is starting to be a major misfeature. But I don't claim to
have done market studies on the case...)
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have their own strengths.
Concentrate there until you have the resources to spread a wider net
properly.
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, you know, I pretty quickly set a root
password :]
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elsewhere.
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strategy or would one have to hack it (I
don't know).
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