> 2) I would have liked to use mpd, but I have never been able to find a
> package for it for arm. It is not feasible to stream from a server,
> since I listen to music in my car.
Hmm I'm under Debian where I just "apt-get install mpd".
But `mpd' is packaged for OpenWRT and AFAIK there's also
> I am still in the process of making changes, but I have some packages
> if anyone wants to try it. This version has the option of using a
> gstreamer back-end (the default with the packaged config file) instead
> of mplayer. By using gstreamer, CPU and memory load have been reduced,
> and I was a
> Anyway, I'm also inclined for FAT, mostly for the simplicity (thus "less
> susceptibility to corruption") and universality of the fs. I'm just left
I'd stay away from FAT: its simplicity makes it less susceptible to
software bugs, maybe, but still susceptible to corruption.
The general recommen
> 1) Improved responsiveness, especially with regard to starting the
> next song in a play list.
> 2) Lowered processing overhead during main update loop.
> 3) Tweaked the GUI. Most notably, the buttons are larger.
> 4) Read ID3 tag info at play list load time using python ID3 library.
> 5) Optiona
> I need to check how much mA does it takes, any ideas how can I do that?
cat /proc/bus/usb/devices should give you that info.
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>> It looks now like that:
>>
>> auto lo
>> iface lo inet loopback
>>
>> # freerunner
>> auto usb0
>> allow-hotplug usb0
>> iface usb0 inet static
>> address 192.168.0.200
>> netmask 255.255.255.192
>> post-up /etc/network/freerunner start
>> pre-down /etc/network/freerunner stop
> You should on
> [1] - which is ironic given that they were invented to encourage people to
> publish their ideas rather than keep them secret.
Actually, not so ironic: it basically means that rather than keeping
them as internal secrets, they get to lock them in
a government-provided vault.
IIRC, the history
> deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian testing main
> deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian unstable main
> deb http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian sid main
More like
deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian testing main
deb http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian unstable main
Stefan
> You can of course install Debian stable on your FreeRunner, but it won’t
> contain any OpenMoko-specific software.
I'm running fso-pkg (unstable) alongside plain Debian testing.
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> Me too, high-res is all good.. But high-res does NOT preclude the use of
Actually, the high-res is one of the highlights of the FR for me. So,
while I don't need 280dpi, I wouldn't settle for less than 200dpi for
a gadget I hold so close to my eyes.
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> And I'm not sure that multi touch is really so important and the low res
I do not know if it's important, but being restricted to events of the
form mouse-1-down, mouse-1-up, and mouse-move is problematic in
my experience.
So if we can't have multi-touch sensitivity, we need some other source
> i don't know if this topic was already a discussion, but i think, if
> openmoko could change to axfs, i belive, it's a great performance-step.
Problems with it:
- axfs is read-only, so you'd need to use a setup similar to OpenWRT
with a axfs filesystem containing "the base system" plus a jffs
>> The correct solution is to decide that "dpi" means "pixels per
>> apparent inch." Because we look at the FR from much closer than we
>> do a desktop screen, the dpi that we set in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
>> should be somewhat less than the physical pixels per inch.
>>
>> I estimate that I see a d
> Is there a problem if i flash my neo too many times? because i have done
> around 20 times in a week time..
Be careful: at this rhythm, your flash will only last ... another 1000
weeks (or maybe 1 if you're lucky).
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>> Also, I know everyone loves X, but is it really the best choice for a low
>> powered device that needs a responsive UI?
X used to be a resource hog. But that was when processor speed was
measured in MHz and with a single digit (and RAM was measured in MB and
also with a single digit).
For the
>> Is there somewhere a user guide to use Om applications under Debian?
> You can just extract the opkg files and copy the content to the required
> directories. To extract a *.ipk file just do "ar x filename.ipk" and you
> got a data archive with the content of the ipg file. Extract this and
> cop
Is there somewhere a user guide to use Om applications under Debian?
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> i can't answer that question, but have you seen the hack to get x11
> apps running on Qt? i haven't tried it, but i might be worth a go:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Rezza/Qtopia/X
Can't you run a real X server and use chvt to switch between Qtopia
and X11?
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> With Ubuntu 8.04 and 8.10 I've had 100% success on four or five different
> systems with:
> auto usb0
> iface usb0 inet static
> address 192.168.0.201
> netmask 255.255.255.252
> post-up iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.202
> post-up iptables -I PREROUTIN
>> - The "GPS off" icon doesn't use the read slashed circle contrary to
>> all others.
> i just had no good ideas for new icons for the others yet ..
You mean you want to get rid of the red slashed circle for the others
as well? I'm surprised: I thought it was a good idea. Of course, in
some cas
>> after the confusion on the last few days now i am happy to announce a
>> new version of the openmoko-panel-plugin. the panel-plugin is a little
>> peace of software to show and modify you the state of the hardware in
>> you freerunner(i.e. gsm, gps ...). it should work with any gtk based
>> wind
> This is not the way I wanna go.
> I don't believe in forks, I believe in one strong community.
It's quite normal to have 2 branches: the community version and the
corporate version.
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> "Tony" == Tony Berth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Edit /etc/network/interfaces and add:
> auto usb0
That's probably not right. You probably want to try "allow-hotplug
ubs0" instead. "auto" means to do it at boot time and it may just fail
if (for some reason) the usb0 interface is not yet created.
> not relevant because debian doesn't use xglamo. At the moment it uses
For some odd reason, the recommended install doesn't use it, but the
OpenMoko wiki does mention that it's a good idea to install it. I hope
Debian users all use xglamo, since it's smaller and more efficient.
Stefan
IIUC it doesn't use X11. But can it run in one virtual console while
X11 runs in another?
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PS: Waiting for it to appear in Debian.
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> something like:
> trigger: orientationchange()
> filters: HasAttr(orientation,"facedown")
> could be used to set 'donotdisturb', then filter Not(HasAttr) to
> restore. For my personal use, I'd set it up to always lock the touchscreen
> if vertically inverted. (when not in use, my FR is in
>> > Why not? What the difference between "place the magnifying glass on the
>> > device" and "enable the zoom function" (or "switch resolution")?
>> having the whole screen magnified or just a section.
> Ofc the whole screen :-)
Unless the magnifying glass is larger than the screen, it can't mag
>> I've installed Audacious, Noatun, Sonata, and VLC. Audacious is the
>> only player I've been able to hear sound from, but it skips, and very
>> frequently! Noatun will not play my music, and Sonata won't add my
>> music to its library even though I redirect MPD's library path. VLC,
>> however
> seriously: 'software one', 'changing the resolution' and VNC are no
> options when you want to use your FR with GPS while driving a car, for
> example;
Why not? What the difference between "place the magnifying glass on the
device" and "enable the zoom function" (or "switch resolution")?
> Is anybody aware of some 'magnifying glass' (in plastic perhaps) which
> fits exactly in the rectangle of the touch screen of the FR and serves
> to view better (bigger) for example if you use tangoGPS?
How 'bout a software one?
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> As they stand, I don't believe the zhone startup files support user
> customization. Such as (in my case) starting up fbpanel and
> openmoko-panel-plugin. Of course, you can change conf files under
I don't know how it works in FSO, but in Debian, I just have
% cat ~/.xsessionrc
fbpanel&
> The next think I want to try is using GPS on my FR with Om2008.9.
> I've never used GPS before and so I'm a bit lost in how to do with FR
> :-)
> The desktop has an icon 'Locations' and by launching it it asks me if I
> want to switch-o GPS, I press 'yes' and then nothing more happens, there
> is
> agps-onlinec -c full -u [EMAIL PROTECTED] -k Fvhcv -la 35.22 -lo -79.46 -al
> 250 -p 100.00 &
[...]
> provided the location data prefed to agps-onlinec and the current time
> (system clock) are accurate enough. (clock doesn't need to be
> second-precise, but if it's off several hours or more then
>> Network that i and well , my FR are in are very different , some of them
>> do ran DHCP and most of them not , how can i assign static ip address to
>> static essids ?
> I'm asking that too, can it be done in /etc/network/interfaces?
You can do it with wpa-supplicant. The way to use it is desc
> A lot of WIFI networks uses web based authentication - network is open, you
> connect to it, but in order to actually use internet you have to provide
> some login and password.
> How do you deal with that?
> I have a problem with all browsers:
> Minimo - it loads login page allright, than asks t
The FR is the first device I use with a GPS, so I don't know what's
considered as "normal" w.r.t GPS function. I find that my FR's GPS
never works inside a building (e.g. at home), and even outside in the
streets of Montreal, it seems to only be able to get a first fix if I'm
in a somewhat open a
> important than the 'click' feeling. A key has edges, and the feel of the
> key under your finger means you don't have to be looking at the keyboard
> to be able to type. Again, a soft keyboard can never achieve this.
How about having the keyboard on one side and the screen on the other?
Since
> On power drawing from an USB hub in a keyboard, I have the following
> question. Is it possible to connect at the same time:
> - USB power charger or network over USB with your desktop/laptop (does
> this also charge a little bit the Neo?)
> - external USB keyboard
> - perhaps one other USB devic
> 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone
> 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve
> 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1
Mostly touchscreen with a slide out keyboard sounds good.
Also the touchscreen would be well served by a couple extra buttons.
> I've coded some little script which allows you to reject incoming
> phone calls by putting your phone on the desk with its screen facing
> the desk.
Sounds great, really. I wonder tho: what if your phone is in your
backpack and happens to be in a "mostly horizontal, face down" position?
> Jeremy is working together with kernel guy (aka Matt Hsu) to look into
> the possible improvement, namely take a screenshot and show it first
> during resume. It's a common technique in mobile phone.
The issue is not to make resume appear faster, but rather to make resume
fast enough that you d
> binary from an unofficial source. (it does need resolvconf, which is
> preinstalled on 2007.x/2008.x/FDOM, not on Raster or SHR, don't know about
> others, but is in the official feeds regardless)
FWIW, on my Om2008.9 distribution, resolvconf was indeed installed, but
it was disabled and the in
> First things first. Hi. I've been rading this list for a loong time, so i
> thought it was time to join in.
> I'm just wondering. Where do i change the layout for my usb hardware
> keyboard. My Freerunner is in usb host mode and everything is working fine,
> exept that i'm used to the dworak layo
> Still people seem quite happy to pay for text messages. Work out the
> cost per kB on those ;-)
That's what I meant by "what tools do they use".
I guess you can try and use some kind of POP setup so you can download
your emails (with extra help to skip attachments or large emails): that
could p
When I looked at the prices for GPRS service from my provider (around
3¢/kB), I was flabbergasted, and now I wonder: what do people do
with GPRS? Do they have better deals from their carrier, or do they use
their bandwidth *very* sparingly? If so, what tools do they use?
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The more I look at it, the more I think there's more to it
than rotation. How about a tool that considers orientation as an "input
event"? E.g. I'd love to be able to say "if upside down, lock the
screen, and if still upside down after 5s, suspend".
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> There is no way if the screen is already rotated. (read: I don't find a way
> to figure out when the screen is already rotated). Please email me, if you
> find one and I will directly adept it to the package.
In my tests, I noticed that the output of `xrandr' moves the little star
when I switch
>> When using Om2008.9, I keep getting annoyed at the distinction between
>> the list of open windows (available by clicking at the top of the
>> screen) and the list of applications that I can launch: most of the time
>> the list of windows is a subset of the list of applications and having
>> to
The Debian distribution doesn't seem to do auto-suspend: you have to
explicily ask for it before your FR suspends. At first I thought it
would be OK, but in practice it doesn work: the device will wake up on
too many occasions (e.g. when receiving a phone call) and won't
automatically fall back a
> Of course and I was not expecting the man pages installed on the FR.
If you use the Debian distribution, manpages are installed just as on
any other Debian system.
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I love my FR's screen. 280dpi in full color is just awesome.
But there's a problem: X11 applications choose their font sizes either
as a predefined number of pixels or a predefined number of "point"s.
The first leads to very small text when you have a 280dpi screen.
The second leads to very larg
When using Om2008.9, I keep getting annoyed at the distinction between
the list of open windows (available by clicking at the top of the
screen) and the list of applications that I can launch: most of the time
the list of windows is a subset of the list of applications and having
to first get the w
> Anyone compiled and running subversion server or even just a client on
> their Freerunners yet?
If you use the Debian distribution, then yes, and you can install it
with just "apt-get install subversion".
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> Perhaps another idea to lighten the core developers' load...
> Invest a little time (a day or so?) to properly set up a VMWare image
> that can be downloaded by developers that want to help in any way.
I'd much rather that the various parts of the system can be built by
using tools available in
Ever since I started to connect my FR to my desktop computer and set up
USB-networking, I'm noticing that I regularly get spurious middle clicks
(and/or right clicks), as if some spurious USB messages were sent from
my FR that looked like messages coming from my mouse (or touchpad, or
trackpoint,
> Suspend is quite good at the moment, but when the display is 'blanked'
> and the system is not in suspend, maybe pressing the 'power' button
> could wake up the screen instead. Now it wakes up and immediately
> suspends.
100% agreement. The "suspend on power button" is completely useless
for me
Is there any support for UMA on OpenMoko phones?
If not, is thre any hope to see it in the future?
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The web site www.openmoko.com didn't help me figure out who
is Openmoko. I'm mostly interested to find out how it is financed (I
doubt the sales of FreeRunners cover the development costs), actually.
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> And still you can't assume consumption will be constant on
> a sub-second time scale... It would be more user friendly to report
> a remaining time based on an average consumption.
Any time estimation should actually be done in userland anyway.
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> What I meant was that after you install illume-config-illume and set up the
> new keyboards [1], you should back up your 89qtopia file from
> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
I lost you already: my initial Om2008.9 install already included
illume-config-illume. To install the Raster keyboard, all I had to
> To answer the other part of the question, I think this is started by
> connman which is used by the settings GUI to control the network
> interfaces. Connman aims to be a lightweight version of NetworkManager
> but is currently rather incomplete.
Thanks. Is there some way to tell connman to
I'm having trouble getting wifi to work:
I have created a wpa_supplicant.conf file (copied from some other
machine), and have added "wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf"
to /etc/network/interfaces.
Then `ifup eth0' sometimes works, but usually only right after boot.
The problem seems to be different
> "Nishit" == Nishit Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Back up the 89qtopia before
> updating wholesale, and replace it when the
> keyboards fail. Less pain, more gain.
I have no idea what you're talking about. What "wholesale" update are
you referring to? What failure of keyboards? What do yo
> opkg install illume-config illume-config-illume
> Should net you the 'qwerty' icon on the left in the Top Shelf. When
> selected it will open Raster's Illume keyboard. (which should be the
> default keyboard at this point, though you may need to restart - at least
> xserver-nodm - and it WILL o
> Check out "nano".
Has anyone compiled Emacs for the Om2008.9 distribution?
Or maybe Zile?
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> I use Raster's Illume keyboard, and select the Terminal layout, and most of
I guess it's the part that I don't get. What means "Raster's Illume
keyboard" and how do I select another keyboard?
I've read the Wiki about it, but I must be too dense to understand it;
it always seems to refer to a sy
How do people edit text files on their FreeRunner (other than via an
SSH-over-USB connection)?
`sed' seems to be about as good as I can get, since `vi' requires the
ESC key to do anything useful, but the keyboard doesn't seem to provide
any way to enter it (but even if it did, motion with hjkl is
The jffs filesystem used on the NAND is compressing, which is great for
our use case. For the SD that would also be very desirable (especially
with the provided 512MB µSD), but it seems that ext3 is the filesystem
of choice there. Has someone tried to use a compressing filesystem
there?
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