Re: Not just a phone
That's a crazy/interesting idea. I would not do it real-time though. Data rates are rather high for my tastes. I could do a daily dump. But either way, it'd be really boring with my route. The same 2 miles every day... :-/ -Steven On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent. I look forward to blogging about your setup. Please keep me/us informed. One fun thing to do: send this data to a web server, and plot it (using GPS) on a map showing your current consumption as a function of location? Steven ** wrote: I'm hoping to use it not just for in-car navigation, but also data readout. I intend to rig it to display voltage and current in my electric car. I'd like to see someone do that with an iPhone :-P -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: US Shipping
I've got order #1210. I haven't received any shipping information either. I'm not sure if we should expect an email when our order has shipped or not. -Steven On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 11:42 AM, McCreery, Lee CTR DISA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve sent a mail to the list last night that they had issue at warehouse that held things up. They think they have worked them out and should start shipping today. I have not received and shipment information thus far...Order # 1356. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Lane Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:35 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: US Shipping Has anyone had their phone shipped within the US from the openmoko store, and if so what was your order number? Just curious :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phone ideas
On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Brent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a few awesome ideas for the phone. My first one is a basic guitar tuner using the mic. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Guitar_Tuning and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List for the rest Not that they aren't good ideas... -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing
That's good news. Hopefully I'll have as good luck with the 8GB card I just bought. It's A-Data brand. But it was a good price: http://digitaldeals.net/article69437.html -Steven On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 1:45 PM, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, Got my 8GB SanDisk 8GB micro SDHC card [1] in a few minutes ago, popped it into my GTA02v5 (beta tester model) Freerunner and running a few tests on it. So far, so good. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# mount | grep media /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/card type vfat (rw,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# df -h | grep media /dev/mmcblk0p17.6G 32.0k 7.6G 0% /media/card If anything weird comes up in my testing, I'll let everyone know. -id [1] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820171320 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Preparing video for Freerunner
I read previous threads about playing video on the Freerunner. I know there are limitations. So, my question is basically this: what would be the best settings for ffmpeg to produce a video for the Freerunner? On a related note, has there been much progress with the glamo chip? See http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/ for what I'm talking about. I see some activity in the git log. But doesn't look like much since that blog post. Would you suggest different ffmpeg settings to produce a file for use with this glamo-aware version of mplayer? I ask this question because I just had a friend say if it plays video good, I'm going to get one and he is fine with preprocessing the video. He wants a demo of my Freerunner's video abilities once my shipment arrives. I'd like to show him the best possible result. Thanks, Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visually Impaired?
Check the archives. This has been discussed before. If I recall correctly, there are some companies that make rubber overlays that provide tactile feedback on touchscreens and match the keyboard layout of the device. -Steven On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 8:40 AM, John Whitmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, firstly I'm a listener on this list not a poster. Waiting for my FreeRunner and then I'll have more relevant contributions, if any. I'm not visually Impaired or blind but I'm very curious about them. At present on a phone there is a wee nipple, (for want of a better word) on the 5 key so that people can feel it and know where they are. (That's great but what's better to my mind is that all the Euro Bank Notes have different markers on them so that blind people know how much money they're handing over, and being handed back. Keep trying to find the markers but still can't distinguish them.) Back on point of this question. Do blind people use phones and if so how will a blind person use a phone with no keypad, (and hence the nipple)? Actually given that the person is blind you could get rid of the screen altogether? This may all seem a bit off topic but I thought that FreeRunner with the gesture stuff would be so brilliant for blind people. Started thinking that if you could tap morse on the phone and have it detected and converted into text that'd be brilliant. Perhaps Blind people have special phones? If I knew a blind person I could find out. Perhaps there's a project in taking a FreeRunner and removing the screen, (either VGA or QVGA I don't care ;-) and have really good speech recognition in it and for get the morse altogether. Could the phone read out an SMS message? what a first post! Sorry. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Can't boot Freerunner without battery - Was: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
Perhaps it's been said before and I missed it... But why can't the Neo boot off USB power alone? -Steven On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Your Freerunner is failing to boot with a dead (or missing) battery. Without booting, the Freerunner can not turn on the charger. There are 3 workarounds to this: The easiest workaround is to boot with a spare battery, which can be from another Neo (GTA01 or GTA02) or a Nokia BL-4C or BL-5C and I think also a BL-3C: 1. Boot with the spare battery and attach your charger. 2. Once your phone is booted, remove the spare battery. Freerunner will remain running, powered by charger 3. Insert dead battery and let it charge The second method involves charging your battery in an external charger. The final method involves charging the battery manually, enough to allow Freerunner to boot. This requires an external power supply of about 4.5 Volts and should be done only if you feel comfortable with electronics and hardware and understand about short circuits. Let me know if you want to do this and I'll instruct you privately. Regards, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all last night, my qtopia mean that the batteries are down and i have to charge them...it was 2 o`clock AM and nobody will phone me at this time...so, i don`t charge them and let the batteries run down... now, if i put the charging unit on it, i just hear some damped tones out from the speaker and see the red led on the AUX button is flashing... i have no chance to bring the freerunner upneither in NAND nor in NOR-Flash and least of all not in the normal qtopia image.. :-( is anyone know this problem with the full discharge...? i try to flash it with the debug board... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can't boot Freerunner without battery - Was: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
The battery can delivery more power than the AC USB adapter? -Steven On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Steven **: Perhaps it's been said before and I missed it... But why can't the Neo boot off USB power alone? Boils down to sth like powering up a whole town after blackout. All components drawing a spike of energy same moment, which USB can't deliver. -next blackout. Werner's new U-boot extenuates this somewhat, but as much of this is inside PMU hardcoded, SW can't do much. /jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can't boot Freerunner without battery - Was: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
I assume this is planned, but I'll go ahead an say it. I think the Freerunner should have a software feature to detect when the battery is critically low and shutdown. Ideally, the boot process would also check the battery and refuse to boot(or at least require override) if the battery charge was below the critical mark. This would prevent the state where you have a dead battery and no way to charge it. Either this feature or the ability to boot from USB is a must for the end-user software load. I personally had no plans to buy extra batteries or external chargers. I would hate to have to should I lose track of my charge status and screw myself. -Steven On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The phone can't take 100mA from USB without asking, and the PMU enforces this. The AC PSU can supply more than this, as can most USB ports, but at this stage of the process the checks to see if this is available can't be done so we're limited to 100mA. When the old uBoot powered up the assorted chips the current would spike higher than 100mA which was fine with battery, but without battery the PMU would cut the power to stop violation of the USB 100mA limit. The new uBoot changes the power up sequence to try to keep the current below 100mA at all times. That's a rough outline anyway - full discussion in the kernel list archive. On Monday 14 July 2008, Steven ** wrote: The battery can delivery more power than the AC USB adapter? -Steven On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Steven **: Perhaps it's been said before and I missed it... But why can't the Neo boot off USB power alone? Boils down to sth like powering up a whole town after blackout. All components drawing a spike of energy same moment, which USB can't deliver. -next blackout. Werner's new U-boot extenuates this somewhat, but as much of this is inside PMU hardcoded, SW can't do much. /jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing
FYI. This card works great in my FreeRunner. I didn't have to reformat it or anything (perhaps I should). -Steven On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's good news. Hopefully I'll have as good luck with the 8GB card I just bought. It's A-Data brand. But it was a good price: http://digitaldeals.net/article69437.html -Steven On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 1:45 PM, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, Got my 8GB SanDisk 8GB micro SDHC card [1] in a few minutes ago, popped it into my GTA02v5 (beta tester model) Freerunner and running a few tests on it. So far, so good. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# mount | grep media /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/card type vfat (rw,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# df -h | grep media /dev/mmcblk0p17.6G 32.0k 7.6G 0% /media/card If anything weird comes up in my testing, I'll let everyone know. -id [1] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820171320 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Happy customer
I'll second that. Just got my FreeRunner last night and it is sweet. It's a lot sleeker than I was expecting. I've been playing with it non-stop. Unfortunately, I'm still expected to go to work even though I have this cool device begging for me to play with it. :-/ -Steven On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 3:53 AM, julien cubizolles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a few words to let those working hard how grateful I am for making the FreeRunner happen. I know there are still many bugs/room for improvement but the dedication shown on this list gives me great hope that they will be addressed in time. Julien. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sim card contacts
My SIM card similarly doesn't line up. But it still works just fine. -Steven On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Greg Bonett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm trying to get the ATT 3G 71234 sim card working in the FR (for those of you who are curious this sim card came from the cheapest possible Go Phone at bestbuy) If you look at the image (sorry about the size): http://www.gregbonett.org/sim.png Its clear not all the SIM contacts are lineing up (the left row is not going to come into contact with anything) Are these supposed to line up? There are only four contacts on the phone so maybe not all the contacts on the SIM are used. I was thinking about cutting the extra plastic off of the right side of the SIM to see if I could get these contacts to line up. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Thanks for everyones help. This phone looks awesome, can't wait to get it working. - -Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkh+ebgACgkQR7UPrMLya92qXQCgxJYiYKozto4lyW1ZUjM6doy2 VDcAnizr9mv9/Ey6NDTlFmZ2GL2XZ/lJ =9HZ0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery Lifetime
I too am using the 2007.2 image upgraded. But I have no problem with dim+lock. I haven't had my FreeRunner for long enough to definitively say how long the battery will last. But I had it at work today, showing it off several times. The remaining time it mostly sat on my desk with dim+lock (I picked it up and played with something every 30 minutes or so). apm showed 61% at the end of the work day. Perhaps apm isn't accurate, but it would imply I could get quite a lot of standby time if I truly left the Freerunner alone. -Steven On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Christoph Anton Mitterer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How are you doing this? If I fully charge my GTA02 battery before I go to bed,.. it will be nearly empty when I wake up (I seep 7-8 hours),... Dim+nolock is choosen, as dim+lock seems to crash the device and I have to remove the battery to reboot (nothing else works). Does anybody else suffer from this? I'm using the 2007.2 image with everything upgraded... What are you using? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: development documentation?
If you'd like to develop a single app, you should check out http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain If you'd like to modify the core apps, I think you need http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokomakefile -Steven On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Stephen Shelton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to get involved with development. Is there any good documentation, or some other starting place? Thanks! -- Stephen Shelton [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stephenashelton.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki Index was Re: Wiki editors
That's a user page. I can understand why that wouldn't show up in the index. Make the zedlock section a real page first. And tag it with the Software category. However, I can't imagine a hand-edited index to ever be accurate for more than a day. I'd stick with the auto-generated index pages like http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Software -Steven On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Scott Derrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that th index is already out of date. I was just looking at this locker program http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Quicksand#zedlock looked under software and Nada! Are we aware it is out of date? How many other pages aren't listed? This is a big problem Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SIM recommendation pls
See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT -Steven On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Josh Monson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know there is a list of SIMS for use w/ the Neo GTA02 on the site... But can someone recommend a SIM that they have not had any issues with and currently use ATT or preferably T-Mobile as a carrier in the states? cheers ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Calendar
I believe the command to install it is: opkg install openmoko-dates2 It works ok. It's just really slow sometimes. -Steven On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Curtis Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got the FR yesterday and have been more or less getting it set up the way I want. I notice there is a calendar app at the top, but it is slightly greyed out and of course it doesn't run. Looking at the wiki's I see mention of a calendar app, but nothing about installing it. Do I need to install it, if so how exactly. Or is it not ready perhaps? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki Index was Re: Wiki editors
I have no reservations. :-D Edited. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Zedlock -Steven On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 2:43 PM, John Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stroller wrote: The purpose of user pages is generally for users to tell readers about themselves. Hi, my name is Bob and I've been an Openmoko user for 2 years. I have a PHd in technical writing and I enjoy contributing to the wiki in my spare time. Just look at some of the Wikipedia user pages for fuller examples - there they often display awards for number of edits made, the user's country of origin (even countries they've travelled to!) spheres of wiki interest and probably even hobbies! It is right and logical that user pages shouldn't be indexed. It is wrong (and illogical) that zedlock should be listed only on Quicksand's user page - it should have a proper page to itself. Definitely agreed. although I have to admit to being reluctant myself to edit someone else's userpage!!. Same here, as that's the one area of a public wiki that I still feel someone else has ownership of; rare exceptions include objectionable/inappropriate content/spam. However, I should think it would not be out of line to copy the content to it's own page, and then place a short message/link on the user's page to the new location. -- John Reese LeetCode.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki editors. Citation needed?
Again, probably something for the wiki mailing list, but... I'd say categories would be a simple way to accomplish at least some of this. I think every application page should have one or more category tags that specify which distro it works with. So, someone running OM2007.2 could just go to the OM2007.2 category to see software that is related to that distro. -Steven On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Likewise I think there should be a template for software entries which indicates which firmware images - ASU, 2007.2 c - the page applies to. Just as the Wikipedia entry for the Lotus Elise has an inset which states it to mid-engined and rear-wheel drive, each software page should say whether the article is *about* one of the core firmwares, whether it is steps that can be applied to firmwares FSO ASU (but not to 2007.2, because that one is incompatible with, say, gpsd) or whether it's software that can be *installed* on the FSO ASU images (but is preinstalled on 2007.2). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Elise ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Which Distro?
I don't understand. Is this for the default OM2007.2 image? I don't have that directory. Is this for ASU? -Steven On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:06 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:49:28 +0200 (CEST) Michael Münch [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Am Donnerstag 17 Juli 2008 14:05:59 schrieb Carsten Haitzler: the default keyboard is just as usable as the matchbox one. there is a full qwerty layout file available for it. Where is it available? If there are arrow keys on it I have everything I need. aaah the full qwerty one doesn't have arrow keys... but he layout file is just a text config file. svn checkout http://svn.projects.openmoko.org/svnroot/illume keyboards/Full-QWERTY.kbd is hwta u want just copy that on top of Default.kbd (or make it a symlink) on the system (/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/... in the keyboards dir). or even better just dump it there then u can flip from numeric, default and full qwerty just by sliding up. you can add some arrow keys easily to the file - the .kbd files are just simple text. they define keys in a virtual layout area and what keys they produce. mind u - i'm working on the code right now fixing a bunch of stuff up.. so thing may shuffle around a bit in future and change. the idea was to make the keyboard layout a config file - not compiled into they keyboard so you dont have to keep changing virtual keyboards for a simply change in layout or key sets. -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery Lifetime
It seems I was a little too ambitious with this test. I ran apm -s and then went to bed. I woke up to a spiffy dead battery less than 6 hours later. :-/ -Steven On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Adam Talbot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am currently using the 20080716 build, from: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/ Try running the apm -s That will suspend to ram. I do this by hand every time I want the phone to suspend. The power button, or a call will wake it. Please keep in mind, suspend to ram is currently unstable. Just give it a 12~100 hour test, let me know. apm with out any arguments will give you the battery status. None of this is any good if I am the only one who can get these numbers ;-) -Adam On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 21:35 -0500, Steven ** wrote: I too am using the 2007.2 image upgraded. But I have no problem with dim+lock. I haven't had my FreeRunner for long enough to definitively say how long the battery will last. But I had it at work today, showing it off several times. The remaining time it mostly sat on my desk with dim+lock (I picked it up and played with something every 30 minutes or so). apm showed 61% at the end of the work day. Perhaps apm isn't accurate, but it would imply I could get quite a lot of standby time if I truly left the Freerunner alone. -Steven On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Christoph Anton Mitterer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How are you doing this? If I fully charge my GTA02 battery before I go to bed,.. it will be nearly empty when I wake up (I seep 7-8 hours),... Dim+nolock is choosen, as dim+lock seems to crash the device and I have to remove the battery to reboot (nothing else works). Does anybody else suffer from this? I'm using the 2007.2 image with everything upgraded... What are you using? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newest stock build doesn't read SIM contacts
Ditto. I re-opened this: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1238 -Steven On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Yochai Gal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I just uploaded this build: Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080718-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 to rootfs. My contacts are all stored on my SIM and have been read on the qtopia and ASU image but they are not read in the stock build at all.. Why? I don't want to save them on the phone, so exporting and importing is not an option. Any ideas? Thanks, and keep up the good work. yochai ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Alternative stylus - Group Buy
Anyone interested in a different group buy? I want one of these: http://www.jetmall.net/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPRODProdID=303 I think it would go with my FreeRunner very well. It even has a little strap that I could hook though the hole on the FreeRunner! But as you'll see, they want $9 to ship a $3 stylus. They apparently only offer UPS for shipping and I can't find any other store that sells this stylus. However, the shipping cost doesn't go up with additional stylus (because they weigh nothing!). So, if anyone else is interested in one, we could save on shipping by buying 10 of them and re-shipping via USPS (which wouldn't need more than a 42 cent stamp in the US). Anyone interested? If I can get 8 other people, it would work out to $4.50 per person. -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery Lifetime
I've noticed significantly reduced runtime when using one of the latest daily builds (2008-07-16 I think). I have a theory. I suspect bluetooth isn't really being turned off when I think it is any more. The factory image ran with a dimmed screen (no suspend) for a good 6 hours and only drained to 64% according to asm. The latest daily build completely drained the battery in 6 hours (even after asm -s). How can I check to ensure that the BT module isn't drawing power? -Steven On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 7:11 AM, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems I was a little too ambitious with this test. I ran apm -s and then went to bed. I woke up to a spiffy dead battery less than 6 hours later. :-/ -Steven On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Adam Talbot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am currently using the 20080716 build, from: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/ Try running the apm -s That will suspend to ram. I do this by hand every time I want the phone to suspend. The power button, or a call will wake it. Please keep in mind, suspend to ram is currently unstable. Just give it a 12~100 hour test, let me know. apm with out any arguments will give you the battery status. None of this is any good if I am the only one who can get these numbers ;-) -Adam On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 21:35 -0500, Steven ** wrote: I too am using the 2007.2 image upgraded. But I have no problem with dim+lock. I haven't had my FreeRunner for long enough to definitively say how long the battery will last. But I had it at work today, showing it off several times. The remaining time it mostly sat on my desk with dim+lock (I picked it up and played with something every 30 minutes or so). apm showed 61% at the end of the work day. Perhaps apm isn't accurate, but it would imply I could get quite a lot of standby time if I truly left the Freerunner alone. -Steven On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Christoph Anton Mitterer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How are you doing this? If I fully charge my GTA02 battery before I go to bed,.. it will be nearly empty when I wake up (I seep 7-8 hours),... Dim+nolock is choosen, as dim+lock seems to crash the device and I have to remove the battery to reboot (nothing else works). Does anybody else suffer from this? I'm using the 2007.2 image with everything upgraded... What are you using? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Alternative stylus - Group Buy
Yup, Paypal is fine if it comes from a bank account (not from a credit card). You make 3 in the group. Anyone else want in? -Steven On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 7:16 PM, Tim Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:53 AM, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone interested in a different group buy? I want one of these: http://www.jetmall.net/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPRODProdID=303 I think it would go with my FreeRunner very well. It even has a little strap that I could hook though the hole on the FreeRunner! But as you'll see, they want $9 to ship a $3 stylus. They apparently only offer UPS for shipping and I can't find any other store that sells this stylus. However, the shipping cost doesn't go up with additional stylus (because they weigh nothing!). So, if anyone else is interested in one, we could save on shipping by buying 10 of them and re-shipping via USPS (which wouldn't need more than a 42 cent stamp in the US). Anyone interested? If I can get 8 other people, it would work out to $4.50 per person. I'm in. Paypal work for getting you the cash? --tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Alternative stylus - Group Buy
Shouldn't be an issue. Looks like re-ship would be 72 cents instead of 42. -Steven On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Kelvie Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday, July 19, 2008 17:43:49 Steven ** wrote: Yup, Paypal is fine if it comes from a bank account (not from a credit card). You make 3 in the group. Anyone else want in? -Steven I'll take a couple. I am in Canada, though. -- Kelvie Wong ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Alternative stylus - Group Buy
Jetmall is the only one that seems to sell the stylus separately. If you can find a different vendor, let me know. They may have cheaper shipping. But my Google-fu shows no other sites selling the stylus separately. -Steven On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:57 AM, C R McClenaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steven, Check this link out: http://www.cowonamerica.com/buy/us.html There do appear to be Canadian and other international outlets as well. As far as your offer goes, I'll take one as well. Chris On Jul 18, 2008, at 10:53 PM, Steven ** wrote: Anyone interested in a different group buy? I want one of these: http://www.jetmall.net/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPRODProdID=303 I think it would go with my FreeRunner very well. It even has a little strap that I could hook though the hole on the FreeRunner! But as you'll see, they want $9 to ship a $3 stylus. They apparently only offer UPS for shipping and I can't find any other store that sells this stylus. However, the shipping cost doesn't go up with additional stylus (because they weigh nothing!). So, if anyone else is interested in one, we could save on shipping by buying 10 of them and re-shipping via USPS (which wouldn't need more than a 42 cent stamp in the US). Anyone interested? If I can get 8 other people, it would work out to $4.50 per person. -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB numeric keyboard as full character keyboard
In theory, it should work. Whether it would work out-of-the-box is another question. Can't say that for sure. -Steven On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Tomasz Czapiewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to use with Neo FreeRunner USB numeric keyboard for notebooks simmilar to these: http://www.amazon.co.uk/NUMERIC-USB-KEYPAD-LAPTOP-NOTEBOOK/dp/B000P158OM/ref=pd_bxgy_ce_img_a http://www.amazon.co.uk/USB-NumKey-Numeric-Key-Pad/dp/3293009948/ref=pd_sbs_ce_3 The idea to use it is simmilar to phone's numeric keyboard when writing SMS etc. but it's just a simple numeric keyboard. I've just get notebook accessories case with such thing and I'm planning to use it with Neo FreeRunner when I'll buy this linux phone/PDA (with group buy next week). -- xeros ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Clock Configuration Question
That would be a feature of the openmoko-clock package. As far as I know, there are no configuration options for that app. -Steven On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 11:31 AM, reaper527 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have my clock configured to the proper date/time, however I was hoping to set it up as a 12 hour (am/pm) clock instead of the 24 hour (military time) clock it uses by default. Does anyone know how to set this up? I did a google search on the date command, but it didn't seem to take pm in the time parameter like the search suggested. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Clock-Configuration-Question-tp576928p576928.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sysfsutils -- the script
Don't you have access to the wiki? -Steven On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 1:03 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: somebody with access to the wiki might put the following there ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: strange problem with Intenso 4GB SDHC card
I experienced the same issue with my card (also the A-Data 8GB) after flashing the kernel and rootfs builds from the 22nd. My partition table seems to have been deleted. I'm pretty sure it happened after a suspend/resume cycle (what happens when you have power management set to dim first, then lock). I had a vfat and an ext3 partition on there that I was using to dual-boot. Is there a bug report/ticket for this issue I should be adding to? At the very least, doesn't this belong on the support mailing list instead of community? -Steven On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Matt Luzum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy Green wrote: There's a race of some kind in suspend / resume that can do this, the signature effect of it is on resume your device comes back as mmcblk1 and the logical filesystem in memory is corrupted. We didn't see this for a long time though. Maybe keep an eye out for such shenanigans on resume. I just thought I'd mention that I had a similar thing happen. Three times in the past couple days, my 8 GB A-Data microSDHC card somehow seemed to have its partition table deleted. No partitions would show up on my card anyway, although I could make new partitions and read and write from them with a card reader. I haven't had time to investigate more thoroughly, so I don't know whether it happens on resume or if it only happens when I'm doing something in particular. I've had the original half gig card in there since yesterday and it hasn't had any problems, even though the SDHC card previously had problems several times in short order, so there might be some difference there. Sorry I can't be of more help with specifics, but I can confirm that there's someone else having this problem. Matt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: posting
I would recommend using the support list to get support with your difficulties. I believe that's what it was created for. ;-) https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support Once you've signed up, you can post messages by sending an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Steven On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:59 AM, ashley elphick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, i would like to know how to post on this message board, i have recently aquired a neo 1973 and im having extreme difficluties! and i'd like to be able to ask for advice from fellow openmoko clients. many thanks ashley ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Icons Missing.
Have you searched the mail archives? This sounds like a bug I vaguely remember from months ago. -Steven On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Donnie Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Donnie Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I upgraded my Freerunner packages with opkg, and now all the icons are showing up as 'X's. The steps I performed were: opkg update opkg install dropbear opkg upgrade I also tried re-installing some of the packages, such as openmoko-icon-theme-standard2, and restaring the X server and rebooting the phone, but none of this fixed the icons. I don't know what package(s) I should re-install to get the icons back. Any help would be great. Thank you. __ Donnie Hello, Any suggestions on how to restore the icons? All of them are 'X's, and it makes using the Freerunner very difficult... Thank you. __ Donnie ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Which distribution to use on FR?
I'm using OM2007.2. Qtopia did run well for me and could make/receive calls just fine. But Qtopia can't run GTK apps and that's one of my only requirements (since I've put a lot of work into a GTK app I'm writing). Theoretically, ASU is a merge of Qtopia and OM2007.2. But I could make or receive phone calls on it and quickly went back to OM2007.2. If the 2 second startup is too long for you, consider leaving the app running. Then it takes a split second to switch back to it. -Steven On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Katrin Tomanek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am new to OM and just received my new FR a couple of hours ago. I've been playing around with different distributions/images and am now wondering which distribution you guys prefer, use, and/or recommend: - OM2007.2 - ASU - FSO - Qtopia Actually, I tried all of the above ones (most recent versions/snapshots) except FSO. Only for OM2007.2, making phone calls worked out of the box. On ASU and Qtopia I couldn't make phone calls (or receive). Optically, I likes OM2007.2 best, however, it is awfully slow and constantly has a load 2. Why is this? Thanks Katrin -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Which-distribution-to-use-on-FR--tp581099p581099.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: strange problem with Intenso 4GB SDHC card
Does anyone know an equivalent tool for Linux? fdisk just says unable to open. So, I can't even re-write the data to the card. It's just dead! -Steven On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Stefan Fröbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, just a quick observation from my side that could possibly be related: Until yesterday, my 4GB SanDisk card worked fine with a recent (e.g. 2008-07-22 or 21) kernel - after an opkg upgrade this morning that got me a new kernel I was surprised to see the card not beeing recognized anymore - furthermore, its MBR was zeroed out, and no tool could read or reformat it except a SD-Card recovery tool by Panasonic ( sdfv2003.exe running only under Windows, of course ) ! I now backup'ed the partition table and mbrs in hope to be able to dd it back, should this happen again. Sorry, but I haven't got any logs as I was busy recovering what was left, but I'll surly save them next time ... Stefan uname -a Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jul 23 06:34:19 CEST 2008 armv4tl unknown ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: strange problem with Intenso 4GB SDHC card
Nevermind. Gparted could read it. -Steven On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know an equivalent tool for Linux? fdisk just says unable to open. So, I can't even re-write the data to the card. It's just dead! -Steven On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Stefan Fröbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, just a quick observation from my side that could possibly be related: Until yesterday, my 4GB SanDisk card worked fine with a recent (e.g. 2008-07-22 or 21) kernel - after an opkg upgrade this morning that got me a new kernel I was surprised to see the card not beeing recognized anymore - furthermore, its MBR was zeroed out, and no tool could read or reformat it except a SD-Card recovery tool by Panasonic ( sdfv2003.exe running only under Windows, of course ) ! I now backup'ed the partition table and mbrs in hope to be able to dd it back, should this happen again. Sorry, but I haven't got any logs as I was busy recovering what was left, but I'll surly save them next time ... Stefan uname -a Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jul 23 06:34:19 CEST 2008 armv4tl unknown ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR and iPhone - how can they be compared?
I too would be interested in the source for this project. I intend to use an arduino board in a project of my own. -Steven On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Sparrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy Flemming, Neat idea's about the FR and custom hardware. I currently have an arduino project that works great with the Freerunner, connecting both via blue tooth and via usb. The arduino is used to control a custom irrigation solution I build on my roof using earth boxs, and the sends the data back to the FR for alerting and monitoring. If you have not checked out the arduino micro controller, take a peek (http://www.arduino.cc/) . Best regards, Steven O'Reilly On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 01:36 +0200, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: Today, I read [1]. I also read [2], and it is basically the reasons there that made me buy the Freerunner some weeks ago (look at the question part). That, and that it is a cool device to hack on! (Anyway, the iPhone is big, ugly and with a low res. screen:p) The Freerunner is doing very well, being recommended by FSF, OSM, etc, and got a lot of publicity slashdot, linuxdevices.net and many other places. Also it is very nice to use as a phone. I use it as my primary phone, with OM2007.2. As soon as I get some time, I will try to write some code for it too. There are a few issues, but if there where nothing to fix, the phone would not be of any interest to me. In stead of seeing limitations, one should see potential:) That is the beauty of free software :D One simple way to make custom hardware, is to add something to the USB port, since the USB_ID pin is connected to an ADC. I bought a lot of 5 pin mini USB plugs, and inside one, you can actually fit a complete mini circuit. I have one that works as a flash light, and one for measuring humidity. I plan to put the sensor inside, once I have written some code that actually works. I also ordered a small camera, so I will try to see if it works out of the box or if some code needs to be rewritten. The camera I bought does not have the correct electrical interface, so I need to make an adapter (USB or BT). It is a wireless cam, which I will mount on my radio car:) I will add some hardware and make a simple GTK app, so I can control the car from my phone (and see the output from the cam). I hope I ever get the time to do this. [1] http://digg.com/linux_unix/5_Questions_Give_Apple_the_iPhone_Challenge_2 [2] http://static.fsf.org/dbd/iphone-action-handout.pdf ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sound
Do you have it set to dim, then lock? In my experience, a suspend kills sound out of the speaker. Making a call seems to restore the sound. Others have found that rebooting (or just restarting X) restores sound. There's a thread on the support list about this. Perhaps you're seeing the same thing. -Steven On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 8:34 PM, W.Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ive just realised that I have never heard my OM ring, or make a sound when an sms comes in just vibrate. The annoying 'tick' on the keyboard comes and goes (mostly is gone thank goodness :) Is this normal? - shouldnt think so! Using 2007.2 Billk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WIKI still a POS
A phone that NEEDS documentation is a POS. In my mind, the Neo won't be ready for end-users unless I can give it to one of my co-workers and they can figure almost everything out without documentation. -Steven On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A phone without usable documentation is a door stop. Scott Robert Schuster wrote: I was under the impression that OpenMoko is a company about selling a mobile phone not a community Wiki ... Regards Robert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WIKI still a POS
You misunderstand. A PHONE should need no documentation. The Neo is more than a phone. So, some features may need some documentation. But the phone part of it should just work. But really, I'm having trouble thinking of a feature I would use regularly that would be acceptable to require documentation. I hope I would only need documentation if I'm actually in the code making changes. -Steven On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Luke Scharf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steven ** wrote: A phone that NEEDS documentation is a POS. In my mind, the Neo won't be ready for end-users unless I can give it to one of my co-workers and they can figure almost everything out without documentation. Then your co-workers should get iPhones! I thought OpenMoko was for those of us who would embrace a machine with a learning-curve for extra capability. Probably the same crowd who uses Linux on the desktop. Kind of like the decision process that one goes through when choosing between, say, Linux and. Mac OS X for a particular user's desktop in a particular work-environment. Exactly like that, actually. -Luke ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Which ATT data plans are compatible?
My understanding is that it's marketing BS and there isn't much (if any) difference between those unlimited data plans. The difference seems to be what ATT is willing to sell you. If you have a crappy old phone, they'll sell you a cheap data plan because they figure you won't use it. If you have a smartphone, they figure you might actually be able to and want to browse the web and therefore charge you more. What I'm thinking of trying is taking my old, crappy flip-phone into the store when asking about data plans. That should get me the cheap plan. Then just pop the SIM card back into my Neo. I'm betting I'll have full internet. Worst case scenario: I'll have to tunnel everything through port 80. -Steven On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Dimitri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've set up an ATT pay-as-you-go plan, and I'm able to send/receive calls and text messages. (I had to wiggle the sim card for the phone to recognize the att network: a hardware flaw that's been discussed to death.) Which ATT data plans are compatible with the Freerunner? There's a ton of them available, with radically different pricing for unlimited. I see names like PDA Personal, MediaNet, DataConnect, and a bunch of others. Which ATT data access plans are compatible with Openmoko? D -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Which-AT-T-data-plans-are-compatible--tp640134p640134.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Suspend / Resume
Search http://docs.openmoko.org/ If you have any issues that aren't already entered, submit them to the support list and then to the tracker if it's a confirmed bug. -Steven On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Matthew Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I've been playing around quite a lot with 2007.2 and Qtopia. I love the speed behind Qtopia, but I feel very limited by it. Anyways, I was wondering about resume suspend. I have read in the past there have been some bugs with it and it's not entirely finished, but I was wondering if my problems are common as I cannot find any documentation on suspend/resume in the wiki, and not particular answers to my questions in previous discussions on the mailing list. When suspending, GSM calls DO wake the phone up, but SMS does not? Also, when I resume from a suspend, I cannot send/receive SMS? Qtopia also seems to have this problem..once I suspend I cannot receive SMS, and I'm not even sure if sending works either. Is this common? Also, after resuming from a suspend, my FR tells me that my battery is almost dead. Even if the battery was at full, and my FR only suspended for ~1 hr. Is this also a common problem? Thanks! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner not charging?
I see this every time I plug in to the wall charger. The USB icon will show up for a second or two and then disappear. Unplugging and plugging it back in usually cause the battery icon to change and the USB icon to stay. This is only with the wall charger. Plugging USB into my computer always works the first time. You could submit a bug report. I never bothered. But perhaps it really doesn't charge on the first attempt? -Steven On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 7:51 AM, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have noticed that sometimes when I plug it in the icon doesn't change to the lightning bolt! Stays green. Why is that? Update problem? Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Sudoku - Was: Re: ASU
Is this one of the 3 sudoku games on projects.openmoko.org (one of which is mine) or a forth version? I think sudoku may be the most popular program for the Neo. ;-) -Steven On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 3:11 PM, William Lai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our release was delayed. ASU is the name we use internally. It will release as Om 2008.8 in August. Default Applications will include: Dialer Messages Contacts Sudoku - number game Settings (exposure) - settings application Installer (assassin) - frontend for installing applications over the net Locations (splinter) - map based application allowing users to save and send their favorite locations. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: numptyphysics ipk
That would be handy to be able to reset. How do you activate the keyboard? I'm guessing you're using a different distro than me... -Steven On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 4:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Kluge a écrit : Hi all, the first build for the ipk for numptyphysics can be grabbed here: http://wwwpub.zih.tu-dresden.de/~mkluge/numptyphysics_0.2_armv4t.ipk For usage etc. see the project home page: http://numptyphysics.garage.maemo.org Thanks, it's really nice :) I've got 1 bug, when I activate the keyboard (which is really handy for reset/undo/...). In this case, after clicking on a letter (like 'R'), any new point I click is linked to the last previous point clicked. I mean : 1) click drag *--* 3) click on a keyboard letter (like 'R') 4) click drag; I should have ** Buut the line start from last point, none from this click : *** Anyway good job !!! - -- Christophe Badoit -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIktjxynEdw4rmTRkRAlBWAJ47JfjMU1f+nKTzdsZ1lbMVBk3nnACePgoD kU9LL6rd79HdFaZQIlqfh+Q= =1NI+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2007.2 Multitap-pad toggle?
Those don't display as images... -Steven On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Dylan Reilly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://atariland.net/~dreilly/openmoko/keyboard1.png http://atariland.net/~dreilly/openmoko/keyboard2.png http://atariland.net/~dreilly/openmoko/keyboard3.png ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2007.2 Multitap-pad toggle?
Is there an escape button? -Steven On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Dylan Reilly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here you go. You still need the other two matchbox keyboard packages. Use the button in the lower right to switch profiles. There are even more characters in the numbers layout available via shift. package: http://atariland.net/~dreilly/openmoko/matchbox-keyboard-0.1-finger.tar.gz source: http://atariland.net/~dreilly/openmoko/matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod_0.1-finger_armv4t.ipk layout only: http://atariland.net/~dreilly/openmoko/keyboard.xml Changes - 1) Keyboard repeat removed for finger usability. 2) Defaults to a larger size. The -h argument can be used to adjust that, but is max 33% in landscape. 3) Key presses are sent on release not press so you can notice errors and abort. 4) Moving off a key deselects it and sends no key. 5) Swipe up, down, left, right to move the cursor in that direction. 6) Width values specified in layout now in absolute pixels. 7) The package overwrites the default keyboard.xml, so back it up if you like it. Known Issues -- 1) I know nothing about automake, so I had to hack into the makefile to set the X session script as executable. If you play with the source, don't automake without fixing this and expect a make install to be 100% correct. 2) I think there is something slightly wrong with the meta data in the ipk. Opkg complains about a related package (matchbox-keyboard-im I think) after upgrades now. 3) I just noticed the control key seems to be applying at strange times. If you get a } character, hit the CTRL key first. I will look into this. On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 6:08 AM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, I have a tweaked version of matchbox keyboard and an accompanying layout that is finger capable and still usable in a shell. The layout is based upon the iPhone keyboard (do not hate me!) because I figured they spent many dollars on getting it right. It's by no means perfect but I find it very usable. If that interests anyone, I can post is somewhere. count me as interested! ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Dylan Maxwell Reilly ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: alarm clock for 2007.2?
I've tried repeatedly to build that and have always failed. I would jump for joy if someone is able to compile it. Even better if that person releases an ipkg. -Steven On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 2:03 AM, Risto H. Kurppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found this: http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/ringer/ But so far I've not been able to build it. Let me know if you succeed (or create an ipk) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bad A2DP Performance
I would gladly compare notes with you, but I'm missing bluez-utils-alsa. Where'd you get that package? As soon as I get that package, I should have A2DP running and can report the results. -Steven On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Daniel Benoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I reported a problem to the openmoko bug tracker a little while ago and I haven't received any feedback yet. I'm hoping I will get more feedback here. When I try using A2DP on my freerunner, I get performance so bad that it's completely unlistenable. The performance is similar to what I get on my desktop and its USB bluetooth dongle, if I go too far away. However, even at extreme close range, I get terribly bad performance from my freerunner. http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1656 I'm hoping to learn if this is a freerunner flaw like the GPS issue, if the freerunner was just never designed for the bandwidth required by A2DP, if it's just me and I've snafued something, or if it's just me and my freerunner is faulty. Thanks in advance :) -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bad A2DP Performance
Ok, where did you get that file?? You must share your secret. Cause I really did look and couldn't find anything that looked right. -Steven On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 6:06 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would gladly compare notes with you, but I'm missing bluez-utils-alsa. Where'd you get that package? As soon as I get that package, I should have A2DP running and can report the results. see http://www.ginguppin.de/node/22 and i sincerely hope bt audio will become useful in a near future. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bad A2DP Performance
I don't get nearly as bad performance as the OP. But it does make a difference how close I hold the Freerunner to my headset. With it just a few inches away, I get a glitch in the sound every 10 - 20 seconds. If I set it on the table in front of me about 2.5 - 3 feet from the headset, I get constant glitches. I also noticed what seem like dropped packets or sync issues. The song would just ahead by a second or so every once in a while. No clue what causes that. Here are my versions: bluez-utils - 3.23-r4 - bluez-utils-alsa - 3.23-r2 - bluez-utils-compat - 3.23-r2 - I checked top while I was playing. madplay was at about 18% usage and aplay took another 12%. If I just used aplay with a wav, it uses about 20%. Is gstreamer what openmoko-mediaplayer uses? Cause that wouldn't even play sound. Not sure what that is doing (obviously my goal would be for the mediaplayer to play to the BT headset). I noticed in the ticket a comment about trying it at 16 KHz sample rate. So, I played the same song with that sample rate. It performed much better. Of course, it sounds like crap... But I only got a few stutters/glitches. It was fairly bearable. I actually listened to the whole song and I noticed the following output: Playing WAVE 'stdin' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 16000 Hz, Stereo 6746 frames decoded (0:02:56.2), +0.6 dB peak amplitude, 36 clipped samples If I play the same clip at the same distance, but at the original 44.1 KHz, it's unbearably glitchy. I get: Playing WAVE 'stdin' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo 6746 frames decoded (0:02:56.2), +0.6 dB peak amplitude, 187 clipped samples -Steven On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Brad Midgley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Daniel Benoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I reported a problem to the openmoko bug tracker a little while ago and I haven't received any feedback yet. I'm hoping I will get more feedback here. there are two sources of possible trouble for quality, cpu load and timing of bluetooth frames. The cpu is not likely the problem on neo. When driving it through the alsa driver, the neo1973 had really good a2dp performance even on older versions of bluez-utils, much better than the TI cpus (eg in the n800). Did you check the cpu load while playing? I don't have a freerunner, but the cpu is supposed to only be an improvement over the neo1973. btw, what version of bluez-utils is in the system? an aside, the gstreamer plugin has had a performance issue that burns a lot of cpu. I never did isolate it to either the encoder or transmission components. It isn't likely you're using the gstreamer route unless you specifically set out to do it that way. -- Brad ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Making a clean and easy viewable overview page in the wiki
I would politely suggest you join the documentation mailing list and discuss it there. :-) -Steven On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Rorschach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I started today an overview page in the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Overview . It's supposed to be clean and easy viewable so everyone can fast find the information he's looking for. I have my freerunner just since this morning so I haven't done much in the wiki until now but I'm wiki-moderator on wiki.ubuntuusers.de the biggest german wiki about ubuntu and I would like to contribute my experience with wikis on openmoko. Any help, suggestions and additions are pretty welcome! ciao ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to see how full my battery is?
The last few percent always take longer to charge than the first 80. This is true of every battery I'm familiar with. The other thing to keep in mind is, how is it estimating that hour? I'm sure it's basing it on the current charge rate, which is going to be lower if you're at the terminal on the Neo typing in apm (because the screen is at full brightness drawing more power). -Steven On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Benedikt Schindler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Wilson schrieb: I guess what I am saying is that I'd like to know what the sysfs numbers mean -- why did ASU think the battery was dead when the sysfs said 91? I will try cat /proc/apm tonight but knowing how to interpret it would be good too when i type apm -v i get a realy clear and readable answer. -- charging 91% (1:04:12) btw: it's charging over usb, so don't wonder why it needs 1 hour for 9% ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO ringtone
I think you are being overly critical of a prototype. That is what Zhone is, right? It's prototype code to flesh out the framework. I know I tend to hard-code things when I'm first getting something working. It's a lot easier to debug things that way. -Steven On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 1:51 AM, Matt Joyce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't mean to be overly critical, the process you've described is trivial enough, and thank you for sharing, but why is is designed like this? Surely if the exact same steps are performed before building the software, it will be much easier for many more people. It just seem insane to be hardcoding references to sound files for functions that people will habitually want to change. Ring tone is probably the first item of customisation a new user will want to change, and they will expect it to be intuitive. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2007.2 Multitap-pad toggle?
Where is the xml file supposed to go? -Steven On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Dylan Reilly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here you go. You still need the other two matchbox keyboard packages. Use the button in the lower right to switch profiles. There are even more characters in the numbers layout available via shift. package: http://atariland.net/~dreilly/openmoko/matchbox-keyboard-0.1-finger.tar.gz source: http://atariland.net/~dreilly/openmoko/matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod_0.1-finger_armv4t.ipk layout only: http://atariland.net/~dreilly/openmoko/keyboard.xml Changes - 1) Keyboard repeat removed for finger usability. 2) Defaults to a larger size. The -h argument can be used to adjust that, but is max 33% in landscape. 3) Key presses are sent on release not press so you can notice errors and abort. 4) Moving off a key deselects it and sends no key. 5) Swipe up, down, left, right to move the cursor in that direction. 6) Width values specified in layout now in absolute pixels. 7) The package overwrites the default keyboard.xml, so back it up if you like it. Known Issues -- 1) I know nothing about automake, so I had to hack into the makefile to set the X session script as executable. If you play with the source, don't automake without fixing this and expect a make install to be 100% correct. 2) I think there is something slightly wrong with the meta data in the ipk. Opkg complains about a related package (matchbox-keyboard-im I think) after upgrades now. 3) I just noticed the control key seems to be applying at strange times. If you get a } character, hit the CTRL key first. I will look into this. On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 6:08 AM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, I have a tweaked version of matchbox keyboard and an accompanying layout that is finger capable and still usable in a shell. The layout is based upon the iPhone keyboard (do not hate me!) because I figured they spent many dollars on getting it right. It's by no means perfect but I find it very usable. If that interests anyone, I can post is somewhere. count me as interested! ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Dylan Maxwell Reilly ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Qtopia-Images fixes suspend problem nearly complete!
I did try this. It doesn't help. I added little scripts to /etc/apm/suspend.d and /etc/apm/resume.d. Unless there's someplace else those should be. I did find that slowing the SD clock (per ticket #1743 about the Intenso SD card issue) had a positive effect. Kinda. See http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1802 -Steven On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 5:00 AM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It didn't occur to me to mount the card ro, but I will try it and see if it helps. not sure if it will help -- but why not unmount the sd card on suspend and remount on resume? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Qtopia-Images fixes suspend problem nearly complete!
I might've spoken too soon. I think it does help to unmout/remount. I just noticed that the reason/method of the resume has an effect on this issue. In my debugging, I added scripts to /etc/apm/suspend.d/ and /etc/apm/resume.d/ that would unmount and remount my partitions. This didn't seem to make any difference. However, I'm currently in an area that has no cell signal and therefore doesn't get woken up by those pesky cell broadcast messages. So, my Neo is waking up from pressing the power button only now. When it does that, combined with the unmount/remount hack, the partition table is not affected. -Steven On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did try this. It doesn't help. I added little scripts to /etc/apm/suspend.d and /etc/apm/resume.d. Unless there's someplace else those should be. I did find that slowing the SD clock (per ticket #1743 about the Intenso SD card issue) had a positive effect. Kinda. See http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1802 -Steven On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 5:00 AM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It didn't occur to me to mount the card ro, but I will try it and see if it helps. not sure if it will help -- but why not unmount the sd card on suspend and remount on resume? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
I'm curious about this theme of yours. -Steven On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Jeremiah Flerchinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would suggest changing the gtk theme to something that doesn't mess up visibility of rendering like it has and matches the rest of the theme better (I have a theme if anyone wants it). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?
I dunno. I started regretting not ordering the full body protector the other day. Right after my Freerunner slipped out of my hand as I got out of my car. Hit some nice hard concrete. Now it has several scuffs/divots along the sides. :-( The good news is, the Freerunner is the first phone I've had that I might be able to order a replacement case some day. -Steven On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 4:24 AM, David Pottage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I orderd the full body protector, but now that I have it, I don't think it is worth having. All I received was a screen protector, and a series of cut out section, which are meant to be molded around the case. It would probably work well for something with a flat face like an iPod, but I don't think it would work for the freerunner. I would suggest that anyone else buys just the screen protector. -- David Pottage ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Qtopia-Images fixes suspend problem nearly complete!
The trick may work. But I'm not sure booting from an SD works if the first partition is a swap partition (as opposed to the vfat parition it expects). Can you boot from SD with your setup? Or is that not something you mess with? -Steven On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Andrew Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/11/08, Pawel Kowalak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not that easy. But IIRC somebody on OLPC tracker stated that this problem no longer occurs in 2.4.26. We'll see when Andy switch us to 2.4.26 ;) That was me. OLPC is on 2.6.25 BTW, perhaps with upstream patches. I also posted a workaround that might avoid data loss when the partition table gets hosed, see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/026156.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2008.8 comments and questions
I think this is related to the bug where sound is lost when you suspend/resume. As Om2008.8 likes to suspend a LOT, chances are it suspended before your alarm could go off. At least, I think that's what happened on my attempts. I don't know if the alarm wakes the phone up or not. Didn't really check that. -Steven On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Helmut Tessarek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ad 3) this does not work either. sometimes I can see an alarm icon, but no alarm tone. hmmm, not much of an alarm then. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangospg and 2008.8 - gui not drawing
FYI, I submitted at least part of this issue a few days ago: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1786 -Steven On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Geoff Ruscoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Risto H. Kurppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And is this patch for tangogps or general gtk stuff.. To me it looks it doesn't have much to do with tango.. It looks to me as though this is something that should be in the 2008.08 deployment (opkg update anybody?). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any progress on the white screen of death problem?
I assume that's a kernel for Om2008.8. Are those kernels compatible with OM2007.2 still? -Steven On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today's kernel package has a patch from Mike Westerhof he reckoned might impact it somewhat, if it is caused by the GSM interrupt stuff. - -Andy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2008.8 keyboard wishlist
I tried to compile Dasher for Openmoko. I failed... Too many dependencies and libraries that refused to compile for me. -Steven On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Daniel Benoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, I'm interested in the imput method software called 'Dasher' http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/ Perhaps someone might consider making a version of this which replaces the om2008.8 keyboard (Or you can toggle to it or something.) Another thing that Dasher does that may be useful with openmoko, is that instead of dictionary files, it accepts 'training files' which are example files of ordinary typing, and it gets its suggestions for the next character/word while your typing from what's contained in that file, and what you've typed since. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?
The MokoMakefile is great. I've had it working for months. But I still don't know how I would contribute to OM. There's a wiki page about using the MokoMakefile to edit the existing packages. But I don't think that addresses actually contributing said changes back to OM. Maybe I'm just missing something. Now I have used the toolchain to make my own little app. But I don't think that's what Jay meant by contributing. -Steven On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Roland Mas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay Vaughan, 2008-08-13 14:42:23 +0200 : Idea of Open Source projects is to release them before they're ready, to let community work on them as well. That would be fine in our case, *if* we could work on them concurrently, but there is so much cruft in dealing with the build environment - and too many forks in the details - that it makes it very unproductive to try to contribute. Oh come on. After reading all your (and others') scary messages about that, I decided to give it a try. So I pointed my browser to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile. Half an hour later, I had a build in progress. Most of that half-hour was spent waiting for stuff to download, and part of the rest was due to my running the whole stuff in a particular isolated environment (cowbuilder chroot, for those who care) with its own characteristics (stuff runs as root, and I didn't have a home directory). Of course, the build hasn't completed yet (I have a few *.ipk already, but the webpage mentions 5 hours on a computer that's rather faster than mine), but if pasting less than 15 commands straight from a web page is too high a barrier to entry for prospective developers, I doubt they'd be able to accomplish much even if it was a single command to run. Half an hour. 15 commands to copy and paste. How much more hand-holding does a developer need? Roland. -- Roland Mas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Watching videos on neo freerunner (openmoko 2008.12) mplayer-glamo
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 10:31 AM, pottwal4 pottw...@web.de wrote: Thanks Daniel, you was right! There was a problem concerning the $DISPLAY-Variable. But there was an other one, which I fixed, choosing the output device -vo glamo instead of -vo xover:glamo. The xover issue you had is only a problem when starting the video over SSH. It works just fine with xover when started from the terminal on the Neo. Actually, I think it works better. What that option seems to do is force the video to the front (ie over everything else). Without that option, I can't get the mplayer window to accept input(clicks). They pass right through and hit whatever was on the screen before I ran your script. -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All] To build a better music player
Unless I'm misinterpreting, what you want is already there. Just select the directory and add it. This assumes your music is sorted with each album in a subdirectory, which seems pretty common. -Steven On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 7:37 AM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Perhaps an add all button when you want the entire album too. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: SHR Unstable
Pressing the power button brings up a small menu. One of the options is suspend. Suspending this way takes a few seconds, but the resume is pretty snappy. -Steven On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Matthew Lane mal...@purdue.edu wrote: Luckily, I do. Can you manually suspend by tapping the power button, like 2008.12? And once the SMS is read, will it then automatically suspend? Thanks. Richy wrote: The phone does suspend. Battery-life is at least a day. (without wifi). However, it doesn't suspend again after receiving an sms. Which is a battery-killer if you don't check your phone every 20min. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix
I applied [1] the fix to my Neo with positive results. It's seems to have greatly reduced if not eliminated the buzz. -Steven Note [1]: By I applied I mean I bribed a co-worker with some Mt. Dew to do the soldering for me. ;-) On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) t...@openmoko.com wrote: #1 Can't tell how much it could improve, yet As described above, buzz fix actually is EMI resist fix/workaround, Currently, we have 2 feedback from kindly community member help verify joerg's SOP, and have positive result. Community do a great work on verification, but we don't finish internal/mass verification for how much it could improve. Regards, - -- Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) Openmoko, Inc. Support ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix attempt, tomorrow
I too applied the fix. Or, I should say, got a co-worker to apply the fix. He worked with surface mount components for a few years and our lab has all the necessary equipment to do surface mount soldering. As well as a stock room with a fairly large selection of components. It took about an hour because the components are so hard to work with. I used a tantalum capacitor (as my work's stock room didn't have ceramic with the needed specs) which made things rather difficult. The capacitor was just small enough to fit inside the case. But it could not be positioned as depicted in the white paper. We ended up soldering some copper ribbon to the exposed pad to extend it to the left in order to place the capacitor between the components on the right and the screw hole. I did not take any pictures (since cameras are forbidden inside my place of work). I have extra capacitors and resistors I don't need/want. I'm not sure if anyone would want them though, since the capacitor was so hard to place well. -Steven On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 3:44 AM, kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Yoan, I am about to buy the capacitor and resistor and ask a friend to do the buzz fix. Before diving into trouble water, I would really apreciate some feedback on your attemp : * did you succeed ? * is the buzz canceled ? * have you taken photographs on your work ? Thanks in advance Kimaidou 2009/1/6 Yoann ARNAUD yarn...@crans.org kimaidou a écrit : Tommorow, I (my colleague, actually) will try to fix the buzz of my OM version A5 according to the manual of Joerg. Since I was asked, here is the documentation I will use : http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP__DRAFT3__.pdf -- Yoann ARNAUD Nantes, France. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Finger friendly scrolling - Was: [SHR] Miscellanious minor issues
If done correctly, the scrollbar is the simplest(easiest to understand) and quickest way to find a contact. It is currently extremely difficult to use the scrollbar in the SHR contacts app. But, instead of making it always take up extra room, I would propose a dynamic resizing. Normally (when not in use) it's small like now. But if the user touches near the right edge, it should explode into a much bigger finger-friendly scrollbar. Instead of just scrolling the list, it would scroll one letter at a time (with adequate visual feedback). Then, when the user removes their finger from the screen, the list will pop to the selected letter. How does that sound? -Steven On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Johny Tenfinger seba.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 19:37, kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com wrote: About the scrollbar, it is much to thin to be reachable with the finger. I proposed an enhancement in the trac : make the right scrollbar twice (or 3 times) bigger, so that all soft needing it become more finger friendly In elementary (shr-settings), scrollbar is not reachable at all, because it is not supposed to. For me, scrollbar in contacts should look and behave like one from elementary, so I don't agree. It's only wasting of space, and there are better ways to navigate than scrollbar and finger scrolling (like alphabetic filtering in contacts etc.) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Suspend / Resume speed
Are you booting from NAND or NOR flash? I know when I boot from NAND flash I see a bunch of text scroll by on resume. I don't see that when booted from NOR. I don't know why... Have you tried that? -Steven On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:32 AM, Florian Hackenberger f.hackenber...@chello.at wrote: I suspect that we could save at least a second of resume time, because printing and scrolling a few hundred lines of kernel log in addition to the mode switches takes a bit of time. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution
You should probably specify exactly which image your testing on the Wiki page. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] from debian to shr ;-)
This has happened to me before when Illume didn't like the combination of categories I used. Copy/paste the categories from a working desktop file and see if that helps. -Steven On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:08 AM, Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com wrote: yes, yesterday i tried making new files in the dir you specified, but with no luck (no new icon appeared)... i'll try again, thanks for your reply! d ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ffalarms 0.2.1 and atd-over-fso (now works on SHR-testing)
A well written app that works quite well under latest SHR-testing (installed via opkg directly from SHR feeds). One area I think needs improvement ASAP: my Freerunner suspends (thus silencing the alarm) before the alarm gets loud enough to really wake me up. SHR goes back to suspended after about 1 minute even if ffalarms is playing the alarm. There are two things that would help this: 1. Make the loudness increase by more with each step. Ideally this would be configurable. 2. Make ffalarms prevent suspend for a time, maybe 5 minutes. (Note that it would be REALLY bad to prevent suspend indefinitely, as I might forget I set an alarm and walk away from the phone, only to come back hours later to an empty battery) Overall, it looks very good. I'll give it a test tonight/tomorrow morning. ;-) -Steven 2009/3/27 Łukasz Pankowski lukp...@o2.pl: Hello I am the author of Finger friendly alarms [1]. Which I developed for Om 2008.12 up to version 0.2. I am happy to announce version 0.2.1 of ffalarms which adds support for SHR (tested on SHR testing) -- for this I ported atd to work on top of FSO Framework Time API (called atd-over-fso available from ffalarms download page [2]). Version 0.2 also fixes Daylight Saving Time problem and adds several minor improvements, see [3] for installation instructions and detailed changes and [2] for downloads. Please report any problems or possible improvements (those may take long time to come :)). [1] http://ffalarms.projects.openmoko.org/ [2] http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=260 [3] http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/shownotes.php?release_id=488 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ffalarms 0.2.1 and atd-over-fso (now works on SHR-testing)
2009/4/27 Łukasz Pankowski lukp...@o2.pl: Currently it increases the volume +1 each second, I may make the time between increases configurable in config file if you insist that fixing point 2. (see below) is not enough for you. I decoded the python file and figured out where to change that. I originally set it to increase by 3 each step. But then I decided starting at a louder volume fit my use-case better. Until the volume gets above 200, I can't really hear it in my bedroom (lots of ambient noise from fans). I don't think it would too difficult to make these options in the config file (I see you have a few already). Maybe some people would rather it be configurable in the GUI, but I'm fine with the config file approach. 2. Make ffalarms prevent suspend for a time, maybe 5 minutes. (Note that it would be REALLY bad to prevent suspend indefinitely, as I might forget I set an alarm and walk away from the phone, only to come back hours later to an empty battery) I will try to fix the suspend issue this weekend (time is scarce) that is avoid suspending until you stop the alarm. Thanks. I'll gladly beta test any ipks you send me. :-) -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Next cofundus OM competition idea
I would like a BT app (that works with FSO based distros). A GUI that allows you to find a headset and pair with it (preferably supporting A2DP), that allows you to send an receive files (I believe this is OBEX), etc. This is the feature I am currently missing most. -Steven On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:23 AM, rakshat hooja raks...@gmail.com wrote: My idea is to have a large nummber of stable and interesting apps avaialble when stable telephony arrives on the FR. So I am looking at smaller projects - those that can be done in a month by one person. Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Next cofundus OM competition idea
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 1:13 PM, rakshat hooja raks...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Steven ** montgoss+openmokocommun...@gmail.com , that allows you to send an receive files (I believe this is OBEX), etc. This is the feature I am currently missing most. -Steven Does copyu work for you to send files? Rakshat I don't know what that is. But I know it's not installed on my Neo. -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.22
On SHR-Testing (from May 2nd image), I get the following error with this version (after creating all the needed symlinks to get the launcher to actually start): launcher: symbol lookup error: launcher: undefined symbol: elm_scroller_bounce_set Do I have a different/wrong version of elementary? Obviously somethings not quite right since I had to symlink a bunch of libe* files to include svn in their names. -Steven On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:00 PM, c_ccchan...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Cameron Frazier wrote: in c (derived from [1], look at the bottom): elm_scroller_bounce_set(self.obj, h_bounce, v_bounce) Thanks. That helped. I needed to update my elementary libs on the laptop too. So here's the latest version - without the bouncing - and yes it's a lot simpler to use. http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3034171/launcher_0.22_arm.ipk launcher_0.22_arm.ipk -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-Home-Page-%28alpha%29-Release-0.21-tp2969146p3034171.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.22
The command Launcher pulls from the desktop file seems to have a character limit that is too short. I'm guessing you use 45 characters. That's not necessarily enough... I finally figured out that was why one of my apps wasn't launching: Because I had used a bunch of parameters and the launch was erroring out because Launcher was dropping part of one of my parameters. -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] create opkg-packages
I created an ipk by hand the other day (as there was no OE recipe). So, it is possible. Firstly, an ipk is created using ar, not tar. The ipk contains control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz (created using tar -czf). Extract a working ipk to see what goes in these tar.gz's. The ipk will not work unless the top-level contents of the two tar.gz's is the . directory. Call tar from the command line with ./whatever to get tar to put everything under a . directory. -Steven On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Vinzenz Herschehers...@puzzle.ch wrote: hello there, i want to create a opkg-package, but i didn't found ipkg-utils on shr, also not on ubuntu. so i tried to create this otherwhise, with the same structure, but if i look into another opk-package, the files in the tar.gz control are childfolders of ., mine isn't (folder . does already exist) and if i save the top-archive as .deb-file, it seems to work, but if i renamed it to ipk/opk, it doesn't work (with ark). the other packages does work normal with ark. so where i became the ipkg-utils? ftp-server with the files seems also to be down :/ greets ps: just by the way, if someone knows this; is there any library with e-mail- support for vala? :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: input method : dasher
If you use Debian on your Neo, a dasher package is available. It works, but the animations are unbearably slow. I don't know if there are options compiled in that we don't need. There are surely some optimizations that can be done... Several of the command line options failed as well. I believe one of the ones that doesn't work is the one that would make dasher usable as a keyboard on the Neo. The default start mode opens dasher as a sort of text editor. So, the characters you type go into a text field instead of whatever app you want to type in... I think there is an option that would make it act more like a regular keyboard, sending key events. -Steven On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:55 AM, swap38swa...@openmoko-fr.org wrote: Hi, At the end of this article [1], there's a comment about Dasher [2]. It's a strange but simple funny input method that can be very fast (39 words per minute). Dasher support numerous languages and the source code is open. A version for mobile device (ARMv4 / Windows Mobile) is in developed by Glen Femandes. Do you think Dasher can be useful for the Neo Freerunner ? [1] http://lwn.net/Articles/336787/ [2] http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/ -- swap38 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner A6 Sale
I don't want to hurt OM's sales, but why not buy directly from SDG Systems? http://sdgsystems.com/estore/cart.php?target=productproduct_id=269category_id=17 It seems they are selling the A6 version with the buzz fix pre-installed. -Steven On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Jason Selfjason.s...@gmail.com wrote: I've been holding off on buying a FreeRunner until until it seemed sufficiently problem-free to me. $250 is a very appealing price. I just wanted to confirm my understanding that the only difference between A6 and A7 is that a) the buzz fix is applied and b) it has a newer GSM firmware (which I can flash myself anyway, so not a big deal.) If my understanding is correct, then it sounds like a great deal, especially if I'm able to ship it to SDG Systems for them to apply fhe fix for me. http://sdgsystems.com/estore/cart.php?target=productproduct_id=269category_id=17 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Why vala? Was - Re: ffalarms 0.2.3 Vala/libeflvala/Elementary rewrite
I've seen several developers talking about porting things to vala. I'm not really familiar with this language. What is the point? Why would you spend the effort rewriting an app that already works into another language when the result is identical to the original? Is vala really that much easier to program in that C? Łukasz, was it worth all that time to rewrite ffalarms (which is a great app)? Just wondering if I should be paying more attention to this vala stuff... -Steven 2009/6/28 Łukasz Pankowski lukp...@o2.pl: Hi I have just released ffalarms 0.2.3. Features: - rewritten using Vala/libeflvala/Elementary (same features as 0.2.2) [...] Rewrite in Vala took much of my available time. I hope to add recursive alarms, but you know well my time limited, slow rate of development :). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: openmoko accessories
I'm with Chris on this one. I'd like a car cradle. While I thought EUR 29 was expensive, I finally decided I wanted it enough to buy it. Until I saw that it'd cost another EUR 30 to ship it to me! I'm not paying $83 for a car cradle. Even with 19% discount (which I'm betting only applies to the item, not shipping), it'd be about $76. That's crazy. Are there really no distributors selling Freerunner accessories in the US? Or any that have reasonable shipping rates (ie rates that don't double the cost of the accessory)? -Steven On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 6:11 AM, Adam Jimersonvend...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 27 June 2009 04:44:00 am Christoph Pulster wrote: I am looking for where I can buy accessories for my FreeRunner in US I stock 17 different accessories for the Freerunner. Based in Germany, but we ship worldwide for 30 EUR flat rate. Customers outside EU Europe get 19% VAT reduction on all shop prices: http://www.pulster.eu Chris ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community That would be perfect, but the reason I am trying to avoid shipping from a different country because I am recently unemployed and don't really have that much I can spend on a case for a phone so unless the 19% VAT reduction is enough to make up for that I don't think I should. Thanks for letting me know that you have them in stock though. -- We must plan for freedom, and not only for security, if for no other reason than only freedom can make security more secure. Karl Popper ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why vala? Was - Re: ffalarms 0.2.3 Vala/libeflvala/Elementary rewrite
I actually work in C with all the crazy function pointers and what-not every day. So, that's sort of how my brain works these days. I looked at some Vala samples and was like Wait a minute, are these classes or something? I haven't seen stuff like this since college!. ;-) -Steven On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauermic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Anf if you're still not convinced, read some C/GLib/Gobject source code and then some Vala source code. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone 0.60 Almost Stable ;-)
Not to be picky, but a second is a long time (in terms of button presses). I can easily see changing my mind within 1 second and wanting to pause the music again... I'm guessing the invalid event comes within a few milliseconds of the first, real event. Maybe 100 ms is enough of a wait? Thanks, -Steven On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:47 AM, c_ccchan...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Thanks for the testing. Will reject the second event for play/pause if it happens within a sec. Just need to think how best to implement this. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone 0.61 Almost Stable ;-)
I tried those commands, but I get: WARNING: erroneous pipeline: no element sbcenc SBC seems to be part of bluez, but it's not in the latest SHR-unstable (or at least I couldn't find it). -Steven On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:56 PM, c_ccchan...@yahoo.com wrote: Also - Cry Regarder suggested that I try the following method for streaming music to the bt headsets - since it uses less CPU. gst-launch filesrc location=file.mp3 ! decodebin \ ! audioconvert \ ! audioresample \ ! sbcenc \ ! a2dpsink device=00:0C:78:41:04:B9 Can someone confirm this (since his phone is out for a buzzfix). It would be nice if someone posts back the following * how much CPU this method uses with mp3/oga files (and their bitrates) * how much CPU mplayer uses with the same files streaming over bt Also can you send me the errors (if any) gstreamer gives if :- 1. The streaming fails 2. There is no bluetooth device paired 3. The bluetooth headset is switched off while gstreamer is streaming. Thanks. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [fso] scripts on suspend/resume
This probably isn't exactly what you're looking for, but... I believe /etc/enlightenment/suspend.sh is the file ran to cause the suspend. You could modify that. I don't know if there's an equivalent for resume. That suspend script uses FSO. And it seems like FSO calls the Resume function of all the resources when the device comes out of suspend[1][2]. Perhaps you can use that? -Steven [1] http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.Usage.html;hb=HEAD#Suspend [2] http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.Resource.html;hb=HEAD#Resume On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:35 PM, arne ankaopenm...@ginguppin.de wrote: is there any infrastructure to run scripts upon suspend resp resume? the only way so far seems to be using apmd -- but that adds considerable delay to resume ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Enhancing launcher - feedback
The notifications stuff makes sense, as it is definitely needed(although preferably integrated with Illume instead of standalone). But what is the motivation for writing another set of phone apps? And why as part of launcher (and not standalone apps)? -Steven On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:25 PM, c_ccchan...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I thought I'll use this email to get some feedback on this ML. I've spent some time trying to add stuff to Illume - but am still divided between having a seperate user space app for the FR. Tying phone functionality to Illume doesn't really feel right. Launcher already works reasonably - and adding basic phone functionality will make a lot of sense - hence this effort. Unfortunately, I'm never really satisfied with the basic ;-) The plan is therefore to add the following:- * call log (already done to a large extent) * match numbers to callers (in progress) * sms app (with threads) (planned but not yet started) * location info display (if someone can show me how) * notification service - (stuck halfway) allowing any app to give a notification to the user. It'll work similar to the way things work now for indicating sms/missed calls. A notification icon gets shown on the home page, clicking it brings up a notifications window with an icon and a message in a button allowing the (client) app to set another app (mostly itself) to run in response to the button click. * reminders for notifications (including sms/missed calls) * icons indicating the profile settings (vibrate / silent etc) * perhaps overloading the aux button to provide some specific functionality (like brightness/picking calls etc) Help needed * dbus service using e libs. How do I register a service from a running app? I'm a little unsure about whether a marshaller is needed or not - and what the right way to implement this using e would be. * icons for just about everything - missed calls, incoming calls, outgoing calls, new sms, read sms, phone icon, mobile icon etc. I'm currently using icons from opimd-utils. Hope that's OK. * bug reports on launcher. There are a few pending bugs - will fix them soon. I'll get back sms/missed call functionality (had shifted to opimd till I was told that the current stack hasn't) and will release a test version with phonelog working soon(maybe today). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: blink AUX or power light while suspended?
To clarify, is it possible to have the LED's on while in suspend at all? Or does the software have to drive the LED high (and default without software input is off)? -Steven On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:25 PM, Timo Juhani Lindforstimo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: Nathan Kinkade n...@nkinka.de writes: 1) Is it even possible for one of those lights to flash intermittently while the device is suspended? No. Leds are blinked using an FIQ handler which is software. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher - v 0.35 Release (inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog)
Your messages app doesn't get most of my contact names right. It just shows the phone number. I'm guessing this is because none of my contacts have a 1 at the start, but the framework stores the received number with that 1. Once I corrected my framework config file, the shr-messages app gets the contact names correctly. The contacts is nice, particularly the jump feature. It didn't work for the first few letters I chose (it would instead jump to the end of the list). Perhaps it hadn't finished building the whole list yet or something. Because after jumping around a few times to letters that did work, I tried one that hadn't worked originally and it then worked. Also, the sorting should probably be case insensitive. I noticed one of my contacts that starts with a lowercase letter is placed at the end of the list instead of where it belongs alphabetically. -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: blink AUX or power light while suspended?
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Rask Ingemann Lambertsenccc94...@vip.cybercity.dk wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:06:24PM +0200, arne anka wrote: This post in that same thread mentions that leaving an LED on would halve the battery life while suspended: what it says is, _blinking_ would halve it, since blinking would mean resume/suspend/resume/suspend ... No, leaving it permanently lit would approximately halve battery life. Suspend current is around 8 mA, AUX LED current is around 6 mA (GTA02 revision 6)[1]. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Is that halving the theoretical suspend time (I thought someone was claiming a suspend life on about 100 hours) or the real suspend time? If we're talking about reducing suspend time to 50 hours, I'd be fine with that. Honestly, I don't think it'd be that much of an issue as I would not expect that LED to be on for long. The point of lighting the LED would be to get my attention if I was away from my phone when a call or sms came in. Obviously the LED would be cleared once I checked the event. So, for my usage, I wouldn't expect that LED to ever be lit for more than 30 minutes. -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher - v 0.35 Release (inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog)
Another small bug: Most of the time, after the title changes to Loading, it never changes back. Which makes it difficult to tell if a click actually launched the app. Honestly, I prefer the Illume launch overlay anyways, as it prevented you from accidentally launching twice and made it very clear that your click worked and something was loading. -Steven On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 2:55 AM, c_c cchan...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Much later than I thought, but here's the latest release of Launcher. Features * Inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog apps * uses opim backends * shows cell broadcast info Feedback is welcome. Enjoy! http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3552019/launcher_0.35_arm.ipk launcher_0.35_arm.ipk -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-v-0-35-Release-inbuilt-contacts-sms-and-phonelog-tp3552019p3552019.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] wakeuptime, was Re: 2.6.31 is out,where is my ultimatekernel?
I'm using SHR-Unstable (updated/upgraded this morning). I hear 3 rings on the sending line before the Neo rings if it is suspended. Even when it's awake, the Neo doesn't ring/vibrate until shortly after the second ring on the sending line. This is all with the debugfs tweak (which I don't think sped anything up for me). Perhaps this delay is caused by my network though? -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Updated package for the puzzle collection
What are the new games? I have oh-puzzles installed with the 24 separate icons. But, I'm using c_c's launcher app to provide a Games category. I'd prefer to be able to launch a specific game right away, as opposed to some sort of launcher script that makes me select which game I want to launch. I only play 3 or 4 of the 24 games anyways... Perhaps you could do both? By default, install a wrapper script. But also provide a second ipk that creates all the .desktop files for each game. -Steven On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 7:45 AM, EdorFaus edorf...@xepher.net wrote: Hi, I finally got tired enough of Loopy not working to do something about it, and ended up creating an updated package. This package has only been tested on SHR-U, but I think it should work on OM and other opkg-based ones too? As long as they have GTK+... The oh-puzzles package is an old fork of Simon Tatham's Portable Puzzle Collection[1], that doesn't seem to be updated these days. So I grabbed the original source from ST's repository instead, and compiled that with the OM toolchain. Only minor changes to the makefile was needed. Just for the record, this is NOT a new fork, nor do I intend to make one, this is just a build of the upstream source. Compared with oh-puzzles, this new package contains several new games and features, a working Loopy, and icons on all the desktop shortcuts. The icons were generated from the same source, using code that already existed for that purpose. The .desktop files are my addition though. On that note: does anyone know what the size(in pixels) is of the desktop icons on the default launcher? (so I can provide that size) I intend to maintain this package as new versions come out, and have (with that in mind) created a personal repository[2] holding it. I also uploaded it to opkg.org[3], so people can find it. I'm going to do some work on automating the building process, and hopefully get my changes into upstream source when I'm done (there's already code there for other platforms). One problem is the icon generation, which needs an X server and to run the built executables. In the meantime, anyone who wants more detail on the makefile changes or other parts of the process, can just ask me. I also hope to take a look at the frontend and getting support for singlebutton mice (such as the touchscreen) into it, and have some ideas for how to do that; but as I'm not familiar with GTK, don't hold your breath. This probably won't happen (by my hand) anytime soon. One thing of note is that having 27 new icons on the desktop from just this one package can be a bit much (though similiar to oh-puzzles' 24). Having a launcher (as fylefou suggested on opkg.org) might be a good alternative, but I don't know how (best) to make one, and don't know if everyone would like one (people using sortdesk might prefer not). I also considered making a monolithic binary with all the games in one, but as I would have to make a new frontend to do that, it's not something I could do quickly. Besides, that would probably take more memory to run. If anyone has any good ideas for this, I'm listening. -- EdorFaus [1] http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/ [2] http://ipk.edorfaus.info/armv4t [3] http://www.opkg.org/package_283.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Litephone 0.1
I'll try it out tonight and get back. But I did notice one thing from the screenshots... http://openmoko.senfdax.de/screenshots/litephone-0.1-5.png Is that supposed to say address at the top? And is that a tab or something (can't figure it out from the screenshot)? -Steven On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Christof Musik chris...@senfdax.de wrote: Hello Today I'm pleased to announce Litephone 0.1. Since the last version released by Michal I've done some work and improved the whole code. There are also many changes and fixes for the UI. To install it follow the instructions on www.litephone.org. There you will find all packages that are needed to install Litephone and Qt. Here is a quick summary of the changes I've done: - Improved message and phonelog view - Contacts can have more properties - Added PIN input widget and use it in PIN change dialog - Translation support (thanks to Bartłomiej Zimoń for polish translation) - Improved startup code If you find any bugs or have feature requests, just report them on www.litephone.org Kind regards, Christof ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] e and illume: how to configure launcher icons?
I'm pretty sure Illume does not have support for categories or the ability to hide apps (especially not through a menu). Workarounds: If you delete the .desktop file from /usr/share/applications/, it won't be displayed. If your .desktop file doesn't contain Type=Application, I don't think it'll be displayed. -Steven On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 7:43 AM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: i'm just checking out enlightenment with illume theme and am very confused about the icons shown on the desktop (launcher). i am sure there has to be a setting where the apps to be listed are selectebale -- and yet, in the rather confusing settings (top shelf - wrench) i don't find anything. so far i've seen that apparently ~/.e/e/appshadow/ contains everything displayed -- but that folder is populated with links from /usr/share/applications/, which strikes me as rather odd, and is recretated everytime e crashes or is restarted, thereby removing _any_ loacl change, with is not longer odd but inacceptable. tapping and holding on the desktop's background doesn't either offer any possibility to configure the launcher's content. so, where does one do that? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Auto home revision 1.1
Where is the software? Where are the details? What software is running on the computer? How does it interface with the appliances? etc. -Steven On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:52 AM, sriranjan ran...@ideachi.com wrote: Hi, We have made the home automation software revision 1.1.This does not require an external dongle like in the previous one.It operates via bluetooth.The phone connects to central home computer and which in turn controls the appliance grid.Basically a layered network implementation. Also included 6-digit numlock based control. This way one can control all the appliance in an entire building using the phone. Posted in the website http://ideachi.com Thanks and Regards Sriranjan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-u] black screen of death on resume
My black screen of death is a little different. About once a month, my Neo will refuse to wake up from suspend. I have to pull the battery to reboot. It usually happens in the middle of the day (where it's just sorta annoying). But last night/this morning it did it and made me late for work (because the alarm didn't go off). :-( Am I the only one this happens to? -Steven On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: Is anyone else noticing a black screen of death when pressing the power button for resume? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
