On Jan 17, 2007, at 5:57 PM, Richard Franks wrote:
I disagree - VoIP via WiFi is an obvious evolution rather than
revolutionary. I don't think it's a 'killer app' either - in the terms
of the phone manufacturer who is more likely to benefit from getting
6-12months lead and market share in an
On Jan 17, 2007, at 7:37 PM, David Schlesinger wrote:
The NEO's not _cheap_, exactly: there was a recent survey of 1,800
recent
purchasers of cell phones, and 21--not 21 _percent_, mind you, 21,
period--paid over $400. Not many more paid as much as $350.
To me what differentiates the NEO
On Jan 21, 2007, at 6:28 PM, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
Hehe...waterproof phones would be really cool. It's just so expensive.
Sort of on that same note, though, once the design becomes a little
more solid, building some additional durability into the phone would
be a nice thing. So many
On Jan 22, 2007, at 2:49 PM, Andraž 'ruskie' Levstik wrote:
Personaly by default there should be none. And let the user decide
what he
wants. For example I prefer ruby over perl, lua or python and I
like using
bash scripts for a lot of stuff. So having lua on my system would
be more
or
On Jan 22, 2007, at 3:28 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
So when you put your first python
application on, ipkg will conclude you need python. When you put your
second on, it will conclude you've alrady got python.
Sure. So in that case it does make sense to talk about standard
versions of each
On Jan 23, 2007, at 9:37 AM, quixote wrote:
How do other people feel about this?
I think it'd be a nice variant, but I'm glad it's not in the base
model. Bear in mind that there are some bitchen' bluetooth
keyboards out there, like the ThinkOutside stowaway sierra.
Depending on your
On Jul 17, 2007, at 12:59 AM, ramsesoriginal wrote:
Teh ub3rz h4ck70r7 Ph0n3!!11oneeleven
Perfect. :')
Honestly, I don't think this is something that one needs to worry
about. What's going to happen if OpenMoko really becomes usable is
that various vendors will adopt it in markets
Sean, probably a dumb question, but I'm leaving for IETF on Saturday,
so I'm really hoping that my two-day delivery will get the phone here
by Friday. I don't desperately need it before IETF - I just don't
want it sitting on my front stoop for a week (well, for that part of
a week before
Has anyone seen this?
http://www.freeopenmoko.com/
Weird, huh?
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On Jul 19, 2007, at 12:29 PM, Andy Powell wrote:
What they should have done is not opened the shop for 2 weeks and
then got
everything in place rather than taken the orders and then sit
around waiting
because no one thought about the merchant account.
Those bastards! How dare they?
Man,
On Jul 20, 2007, at 2:31 AM, Santiago Crespo wrote:
I like the spanish term: libre (like in ubuntu cd-box).
It's not a bad word, but unfortunately when I hear it I get an image
of a guy wearing army fatigues and carrying an automatic weapon. To
some extent I think choosing a branding
People who are interested in marketing OpenMoko might want to read
this article:
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/07/
just_because_it_saves_the_world.php
It speaks to exactly the problem that we will have marketing
OpenMoko: how to get Joe and Jane Average to think of the Open in
On Jul 20, 2007, at 11:48 AM, Rodolphe Ortalo wrote:
I suspect we should only ask the average people to follow us [1],
not to
understand the full software stack. That may even be beneficial in the
end.
This is precisely why I suggest reading the article.
On Jul 20, 2007, at 4:25 PM, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
It speaks to exactly the problem that we will have marketing
OpenMoko: how to get Joe and Jane Average to think of the Open in
OpenMoko as something they care about.
Don't do rthat then. As in don't limit the marketing to only focus on
the
On Jul 20, 2007, at 5:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe I stated the obvious, but I would like this phone to be a
success
and thats how i see it happening.. start with the basics...
Like the iPhone, you mean? :')
Of course it would be great to be able to sync with Microsoft
On Mon, 2007-07-23 at 23:28 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Has anyone else NOT received any response at all yet since YES_I_DO?
I'm in the 1900's, and I haven't heard anything. They've assured us
that they aren't fulfilling orders in order of the RT ticket number, so
I guess there's no need
On Tue, 2007-07-24 at 19:19 +0200, Andreas Kostyrka wrote:
No, it's just habits. And it's not about Engineers, it's about long
time email users.
What, that they never actually read what anyone writes, but just skim it
looking for something that they can flame about?
Come on guys, read for
On Tue, 2007-07-24 at 12:33 -0500, Hans L wrote:
Are you saying that if you don't want your email
address harvested by spammers, then you should not participate in
discussions about openmoko at all? Keeping your email address private
IS a valid reason for the use of forums.
No, I'm saying
On Thu, 2007-07-26 at 08:23 -0700, Tim Newsom wrote:
They claim to have many of the features we have talked about on the
list... however, I am wondering about the pending patent related to
placing security in the bootloader for signature checking of a boot
image. Does anyone know if this is
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 14:12 +0530, Sudharshan S wrote:
I just couldn't resist the urge to ask if there are anyone here who
had ordered the development release but *not been billed* yet.
Especially anxious since there has not been any word of the second
batch, AFAIK (ordered it on 11 July,
On Aug 24, 2007, at 12:57 PM, Carlo E. Prelz wrote:
WxWidgets never crossed my path. Qt is out of the question since I
don't do C++. I tried a handful of times to get familiar with it, and
was fiercely rejected every time.
That's strange - I have tried a variety of widget libraries,
On Aug 27, 2007, at 5:56 AM, Richard Bennett wrote:
A crude solution to make spamassassin restart if it crashes could
be to start it with a script, wrap the start command in a loop that
can never finish. When spamassassin dies, the command will re-run...
Then you can find the reason it
On Sep 2, 2007, at 7:17 AM, Giles Jones wrote:
Launch speed is something that can be fixed, I'm not sure if the
build system is using pre-linking? if not it will be something to
use as this is the cure to application launch speed delays on Unix
like systems.
This is probably true.
The
On Sep 2, 2007, at 8:24 AM, Giles Jones wrote:
VGA is 4x times the data, not two times. That will have a noticable
effect. The only VGA device I have owned was a Toshiba E800 PDA,
this had an ATI chip and it was still a little sluggish.
Hm. The best example of slow draw times that I can
On Sep 7, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Andreas Utterberg wrote:
What the v2 neo needs is a nice oi, the best would be if its
possible to add compiz fusion, beryl effects to it. That would
really boost the interest to the mass, just look at the development
speed to the berylproject had, and the very
On Sep 7, 2007, at 1:19 PM, Raphael Jacquot wrote:
- At least several hours of H.264 playback.
possibly doable but I don't believe the current hardware can handle it
The point here is that for the GTA02, if the video hardware supports
hardware playback of H.264, we need a driver that allows
On Sep 8, 2007, at 3:28 AM, Florent THIERY wrote:
But who really wants to check out youtube
videos in the subway ? Marketing, marketing...
My wife uses the video feature on her iPod quite a bit when we're
traveling. And video podcasts are a great idea for the subway -
just as good as
On Sep 8, 2007, at 7:00 AM, Mikko Rauhala wrote:
Software playing will probably take a bit more power, sure, but
that aside, the Neo's youtube capabilities already partially exceed
(*sigh* at the obligatory comparison) the iPhone's.
A lot more power, not a little. Flash is even worse -
On Sep 8, 2007, at 11:22 AM, Ian Stirling wrote:
It's not _quite_ that bad.
You get 1 hour, even playing h.263 very loudly while on a phone
call.
That's cool for demo purposes. Unfortunately H.263 is really only
of interest to people with patience - the average end-user will
consider
On Sep 18, 2007, at 9:48 AM, Tilman Baumann wrote:
But thats how it is. Opensource is just about freedom to choose.
The more choices the better...
My big question about Qtopia for Neo is whether or not Trolltech will
be willing to take back changes. I've had some challenges in the
past
On Sep 18, 2007, at 9:28 AM, Scott Rushforth wrote:
Phone calling works, for both incoming and outgoing calls, the only
hitch was that I had to manually set the alsa levels using
gsmhandset.state.
That's a helpful hint. It appears to be the case that audio doesn't
work for other apps as
On Sep 18, 2007, at 1:48 PM, Lorn Potter wrote:
Try ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/tech-preview/
Sweet, thanks!
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On Sep 22, 2007, at 10:11 AM, Joshua Layne wrote:
a brief googling * turned up 'substruct' - open source, based on
ruby on rails - meets a subset of your requirements, but may be
extensible enough that you don't have to reinvent the entire wheel,
only the shiny new spin-rims.
The carts
On Sep 22, 2007, at 1:22 PM, Ian Stirling wrote:
Paypal means that you never see the CC info at all.
This is called throwing the baby out with the bathwater...
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On Sep 23, 2007, at 10:09 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Why haven't you said that initially? It would have saved me to even
mention
oscommerce and you the discussion about it.
'cuz he's a big meany!
No, wait, that can't be it!
Maybe he figured anyone who was qualified would already
On Sep 24, 2007, at 11:58 PM, Carlo E. Prelz wrote:
QT is bound to C++. With GTK you can choose to program in C, or, if
you really want to, in C++. With QT there is no way you can write your
code in C.
This is an utterly pathetic excuse not to try something. You don't
have to become a C++
On Sep 25, 2007, at 11:14 AM, Carlo E. Prelz wrote:
N. I just say that Qt has no C api. And this makes it
unusable. For me. No mention of it being bad.
The personal reason you've given for why you prefer Gtk to Qt is
valid, for you. However, most of what you said had nothing to do
dmesg from real hardware is appreciated
Hm, in the spirit of adventure, I just flashed your NetBSD kernel on
my Neo, like this:
uma% ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D ~/Desktop/netbsd.boot dfu-util - (C)
2007 by OpenMoko Inc.
Then I tried booting it from the serial console. I can't tell
On Oct 23, 2007, at 4:25 PM, Richard Reichenbacher wrote:
It's so reasonable to expect everybody to dig through
the entire site to find it, amid the multitude of places that still
say OCTOBER...
Considering that the alternative is for someone *else* to dig through
the site and report the
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 03:44 +0800, Michael Shiloh wrote:
(Same problem with Global Locate regarding the GPS driver)
It might be nice to just send out the old module, even if it
theoretically isn't useful, because somebody might be willing to hack it
to make it work. Right now we have nothing.
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 23:46 +0100, AVee wrote:
I think it whould help an awfull lot, it would allow you to switch
firmware
before leaving to an 850 or 900 area. In a lot af cases that will
involve a
air travel and a somewhat longer stay in the 'other frequency' area.
If it
could be just
On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 23:11 +0100, Erland Lewin wrote:
I imagine a kit the size of a regular book for the Neo containing a
fresnel lens with a frame for attaching to the phone, a foldable
keyboard, a small mouse, and a battery pack loadable with, say, 2
regular 'C' size batteries.
The
On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 09:22 -0500, Kyle Bassett wrote:
as the shit starts to hit the fan...
Oh, stop it. Harald has been saying he's been having difficulty for a
while. Maybe this is systemic, and maybe it's not, but there's no
reason to side with chaos. Why not hope for the best, and give
On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 10:11 +0100, Andraž 'ruskie' Levstik wrote:
Why not a laptop chassis
The laptop form factor forces poor ergonomics. I always bring a
keyboard with me when I travel so that I can have the screen up high and
the keyboard down low. So for me the built-in keyboard is just
On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 09:29 +, Andy Powell wrote:
If I can manage to push aside the feeling that people should just buy
something like the Asus EEE PC rather than going this route...
No bluetooth. No DVI out. Doesn't fit in your pocket, unless you
have a really big pocket.
On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 11:19 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote:
I'd like to explore adding a head mounted display to the Neo, like the
i-glasses PC/SVGA Head Mounted Display at about $700. Would require
an
off-board SVGA controller, which could be prototyped with a USB SVGA
controller, assuming
On Mon, 2007-11-19 at 10:35 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote:
What sort of applications make sense
this way? What sort of new applications does this allow?
I think the two big killer apps are laptop replacement and watching
video. But that's going to require hardware acceleration.
Long term, you
On Nov 29, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Ben Burdette wrote:
I was relieved to hear that 850 mhz seems to be a sure thing -
according to the interview there will be two versions of the phone,
one for the US (or other 850mhz countries) and one for the rest of
the world. I assume the US version will be
On Dec 27, 2007, at 11:24 AM, Colan Schwartz wrote:
Would it be possible to add a descriptive prefix to each e-mail sent
to
this list? I don't mind getting a lot of e-mail, but if it's from a
list, I'd like to know where it's coming from.
Suggestion: hack your tool to sort on the List-Id:
On Jan 11, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Lon Lentz wrote:
I read the not so happy comments following the Gizmodo article.
A lot of those comments have been made here on this list. Like the
repeated ones about the boot scroll being visible.
I thought that was weird. The boot scroll is one of my
On Jan 12, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
And we want the matrix screensaver too. :-)
And it can't run down the batteries...
:')
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On Jan 12, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
Well I guess you just can't please everyone :/
Sure you can - put a switch in the phone's advanced preferences! :')
Anyway, I have always felt that with a little dress-up, the verbose
startup could become reassuring rather than
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