Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
This is one I was not aware of - looks nice but its still not 3G capable BillK On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 20:08 +0200, Margo wrote: > 2010/1/4 William Kenworthy : > > What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there? I > > want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more ... > > > > The android phones (htc dream?) - none of which are fully functional on > > FSO/SHR (I think), and access through android to the underlying system > > is minimal. > > > > Flow - good but pricy, and unless I am looking at the design wrong, > > there is only one adapter/interface socket so you can have a phone, or a > > GSM device, but not both at the same time. > > > > Nokia n900 - probably the best choice at this time. > > > > What others are available NOW? > > > > BillK > > > > The Officer S101 seems interesting: > http://www.road.de/en/handypcs/officer.html > http://blog.hackable1.org/2009/08/running-hackable1-on-the-road-officer-s101.html > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM Network Time
Not quite - it should be "if available" - network time is not part of the base GSM standard but an extension which many (most?) networks done use. The zone is part of the standard, but if your provider crosses multi timezones as here in australia, you might not be able to properly use it. Beware using the default time server for network time - in europe it might be ok, but it has jitter and offset here in australia at times - set it to a local timeserver in /etc/frameworkd.conf. Time keeping has improved a lot, but I still find I connect to a network or use GPS once a day to make sure it stays on time. BillK On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 18:31 +0100, Marc Verwerft wrote: > The section about Date/time settings in the SHR wiki from openmoko > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual#Date_and_time says: > "Date and time are automatically set from GPS or Network" > > Regards, > > Marc > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Esben Stien wrote: > > Any way to extract the time from the GSM network and have the time set > > based on this?. > > > > Any distro that does this or any tools available?. > > > > Many phones have this capability. > > > > It would also be nice to set the time based on GPS, when that is > > available, but often when indoors, only GSM works. > > > > -- > > Esben Stien is b...@e s a > > http://www. s tn m > > irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact > > sip:b0ef@ e e > > jid:b0ef@n n > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to manually delete sms from sim using dbus2 or something else?
To list messages (latest shr-t): mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrieveMessagebook 'all' To delete messages one by one: mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.DeleteMessage '1' My SIM had 20 messages so I had to delete from 1 to 20 by changing the number above. There is (or was) a deleteall command but I couldnt find it. You may need to install mdbus2 to get the command. BillK On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 09:59 +0600, Chuck Norris wrote: > Please tell me > How to manually delete sms from sim using dbus2 or something else. > my sim is full of messages > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mapless GPS
Cetus GPS (http://www.cetusgps.dk/ - for Palm) is a good implementation of this (see web page above for screenshots). Also keeps a track history every few seconds and has some other options like averaging to get a reasonably accurate reading vs a rough and ready. Speed is dead accurate (or my car speedo is!), but altitude is a bit sus (reasons given in other, unrelated posts - one our main sporting grounds, ~25mkm from the coast is 8M underwater ... :) Would love to have the ability to use a local offset to the curve to counteract this. Use it on my treo650 with an external bluetooth gps for backup while bushwalking. Billk On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 23:27 +1200, Robin Paulson wrote: > 2008/5/22 Alexey Feldgendler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Simply put, it's a GPS navigator that only repeatedly gives you the > > direction towards the target (in "three o'clock" style) and the distance to > > it, without using any maps at all. It probably won't help you in a maze of > > twisty passages all alike, but should be good enough when navigating in a > > city or suburb where roads are made to enable you to reach places. > > this could be a cool and very simple way of implementing the real-life > pacman game we talked about a couple of weeks back. pacman could have > his gps coords constantly interpreted as a series of directions and > distances, fed to the earpieces of the ghosts, who then have to find > him > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03 case should incorporate stylus holder
As I have short, fat fingers stylii are are a neccessay evil - I find fingers on most smart phones a pain. The only evilness my stylii have is a propensity to hide when they are really needed! - they are so so much faster than my fingers on a treo650 for instance :) And trying to use the dialler is almost impossible with my fingers. This is something I cant see on the freerunner so I presume it does not have a built in stylus/stylus house? Billk and becauseOn Thu, 2008-06-05 at 17:04 +0100, Stroller wrote: > On 5 Jun 2008, at 15:38, Ron K. Jeffries wrote: > > > Can the revised case for GTA03 *please* be designed > > to hold a stylus? > > Nooo! > > Stylii are EVIL! > > If I can't operate an app with my fingers, then there's no place for > that app on my mobile phone! > > vi FTW! > > Stroller. > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)
Is there an 'official' designation of the target market for the GTA03? i.e., freerunner is geeks/early adopters BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
bands
How is the freerunner switched between the two frequency band triplets? Software, new image, link, factory only, ... Asking because what happens if you move carriers and they support "the other" combination? BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bands
:( Thanks, Billk On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 03:01 +0200, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > Am Fr 27. Juni 2008 schrieb W.Kenworthy: > > How is the freerunner switched between the two frequency band triplets? > > > > Software, new image, link, factory only, ... > > > > Asking because what happens if you move carriers and they support "the > > other" combination? > > different build, factory only. No way to switch > /jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS
On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 20:47 +0200, Francesco Cat wrote: > Another thing that might help: If the FR is connected to any network > one should also be able to use IP Locator services like > http://whatismyipaddress.com/ to get another extimation of the > location of FR. They are usually quite accurate. > > Would this help? How accurate does the AGPS prefix need to be to be useful? - the above locator is ~20-25km out for me (In Perth, Western Australia) using a public IP. Not really my idea of "quite accurate"! :) BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS
Another data point. I dont have my FR yet, but looking at this thread got me to fire up an external bluetooth BT74R GPS and connect it to my treo650 using cetus gps to display a satellite map. the GPS is on a SE facing windowsill with one floor above me so everything behind the building will be cut off. This system will usually, but not always get a fix within seconds. Today (and I have seen this before), it cant get a fix. All the strongest satellites in view are aligned east-west. From experience, once the satellites move so they are "spread" across the sky, a fix will happen - and once obtained will stay fixed. Just need to get that first lock! Does the freerunner have software that can show how the satellites position overhead? - satellite location will certainly cause a lot of variability - I would think the only worthwhile measurements on how the FR performs will be comparative (with another, known performer placed alongside) rather than absolute. Billk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: questions about our mailinglists
I thought someone has already set up a forum - but few can be bothered using it so perhaps thats your answer. I cant see the point of so many mailing lists - it just complicates the procmail recipe so they all sort into the same mailbox :) BillK On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 22:09 -0700, Ben Cadieux wrote: > Is conglomerating mailing lists really such a good idea? There's > already an overwhelming amount of e-mail. While I realize there's > already been some discussion about using a forum, it degraded into > trolling -- I do think a forum would be a good idea. Not that it > would replace the mailing lists, but rather to work in tandem. > > Mailing lists simply aren't effective for every situation; individual > questions/problems that may not interest the larger group, for > example. > > Best Regards, > Ben Cadieux > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: which list to write to (was Re: x offset in landscape mode)
On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 15:41 +0100, Stroller wrote: > > > Or to merge them? > > Yikes! Please no! > Keep in mind that: The more lists you have, the more fragmented the data is and the harder it is to both find relevant data (generally you have to be a member of the list), and get participants to threads. The less likely mail goes to the correct list, the less likely those who "need" to see it (vs those who just want it) are likely to see it. For this reason, all my OM emails go to one folder, which defeats the reason for having so many lists - so all I have is the annoyance of managing the procmail filters and suddenly discovering that emails I am interested in have been going to a list I wasnt aware of. A dev and a user list are all thats needed for the open, public lists, with perhaps dev being readonly for users - the others are just making life harder. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery Lifetime
Use "/usr/bin/hcitool scan" from net-wireless/bluez-utils (gentoo) - this picks up any promiscuous bluetooth transmitters in range. BillK On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 09:54 -0500, Steven ** wrote: > I've noticed significantly reduced runtime when using one of the ... > build completely drained the battery in 6 hours (even after asm -s). > How can I check to ensure that the BT module isn't drawing power? > > -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
sound
Ive just realised that I have never heard my OM ring, or make a sound when an sms comes in just vibrate. The annoying 'tick' on the keyboard comes and goes (mostly is gone thank goodness :) Is this normal? - shouldnt think so! Using 2007.2 Billk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sound
Certainly sounds like the same problem. BillK On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 21:14 -0500, Steven ** wrote: > Do you have it set to "dim, then lock"? In my experience, a suspend > kills sound out of the speaker. Making a call seems to restore the > sound. Others have found that rebooting (or just restarting X) > restores sound. There's a thread on the support list about this. > Perhaps you're seeing the same thing. > > -Steven > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 8:34 PM, W.Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ive just realised that I have never heard my OM ring, or make a sound > > when an sms comes in just vibrate. The annoying 'tick' on the keyboard > > comes and goes (mostly is gone thank goodness :) > > > > Is this normal? - shouldnt think so! > > > > Using 2007.2 > > > > Billk > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sound
ok, thats fixed it (changed from dim/lock to dim only and rebooted) Whats the difference between dim and dim/lock - cant see anything so far as they look the same? Also brings up the point - if I am in a meeting and want vibrate only is it possible to change back and forward between vibrate and ring/vibrate? - or do I have to turn GSM off? BillK On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 10:30 +0800, W.Kenworthy wrote: > Certainly sounds like the same problem. > > BillK > > On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 21:14 -0500, Steven ** wrote: > > Do you have it set to "dim, then lock"? In my experience, a suspend > > kills sound out of the speaker. Making a call seems to restore the > > sound. Others have found that rebooting (or just restarting X) > > restores sound. There's a thread on the support list about this. > > Perhaps you're seeing the same thing. > > > > -Steven > > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 8:34 PM, W.Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Ive just realised that I have never heard my OM ring, or make a sound > > > when an sms comes in just vibrate. The annoying 'tick' on the keyboard > > > comes and goes (mostly is gone thank goodness :) > > > > > > Is this normal? - shouldnt think so! > > > > > > Using 2007.2 > > > > > > Billk > > > > > > ___ > > > Openmoko community mailing list > > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sound
It worked for a few times, but has now gone silent. Maybe it will get more stable. BillK On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 20:14 -0700, Scott Petersen wrote: > W.Kenworthy wrote: > > Certainly sounds like the same problem. > > > > BillK > > > > On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 21:14 -0500, Steven ** wrote: > > > Do you have it set to "dim, then lock"? In my experience, a suspend > > > kills sound out of the speaker. Making a call seems to restore the > > > sound. Others have found that rebooting (or just restarting X) > > > restores sound. There's a thread on the support list about this. > > > Perhaps you're seeing the same thing. > > > > > > -Steven > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 8:34 PM, W.Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Ive just realised that I have never heard my OM ring, or make a sound > > > > when an sms comes in just vibrate. The annoying 'tick' on the keyboard > > > > comes and goes (mostly is gone thank goodness :) > > > > > > > > Is this normal? - shouldnt think so! > > > > > > > > > I had the same issue and found that mwester had a solution has worked > for me for a while now. > > http://moko.mwester.net/fixes.html > > I still have suspend resume issues but this works most of the time. > > Cheers > Scott Petersen > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: uboot versions or a changelog?
Thanks,much appreciated. BillK On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 07:50 -0700, Mike Montour wrote: > William Kenworthy wrote: > > Is there a list of uboot versions or a changelog? I would like to see > > what changes have been done from that shipped with 2007.2? > > See http://git.openmoko.org/?p=u-boot.git;a=shortlog;h=stable and the > archives for the openmoko-kernel mailing list. > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Warranty after fix for GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue
and a negative - I moved the maps in tangoGPS from /tmp to the (orig freerunner) sdcard and it only works partially or not at all. This is offline usage. If I am online and I delete the map cache so tango starts clean, it loads the maps fine - probably caches them in ram. If I go offline to move around, only the maps cached in ram are displayed. I can see the files on the sd card so that part is ok. If I use /tmp tango is fine. BillK On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 20:07 +0100, Andy Green wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Somebody in the thread at some point said: > > | I drove here almost 100km/h (but don't tell anyone) on max zoom, to > | read tiles faster from the card. As you can see, no jump offs from the > | road. > | > | So, to me, GPS works great now. I had more problems with accuracy of > | my Garmin outdoor device. > > Thanks for the report Pavel, we can't be doing that bad. > > - -Andy > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkiQvAgACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqG4wCglAywViFM6xy0teBZPjQgsqwO > HW4Ani+qbG+4hvUN9+4t2d6X9k9+j/ms > =IKUp > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Warranty after fix for GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue
After a reboot, it worked ok so its a false alarm - sorry! BillK On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 08:38 +0100, Andy Green wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Somebody in the thread at some point said: > > | and a negative - I moved the maps in tangoGPS from /tmp to the (orig > | freerunner) sdcard and it only works partially or not at all. This is > | offline usage. If I am online and I delete the map cache so tango > | starts clean, it loads the maps fine - probably caches them in ram. If > | I go offline to move around, only the maps cached in ram are displayed. > | I can see the files on the sd card so that part is ok. > | > | If I use /tmp tango is fine. > > Sorry when you say "works partially or not at all", what is the symptom? > ~ Is that a GPS issue or a "maps on SD Card" data retrieval issue? Which > kernel? > > - -Andy > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkiRbAYACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqEJACdFaBF+0Mja4QCWYotfW6o/QEV > tRoAn0asAwK2ReeUR4qmRCcKdgX46/mc > =YKC/ > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
battery again
While in a meeting, I let the battery run down to 0% (as read by apm) Now when I plug it into usb, I get cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/chgmode gives play-only and cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/charger_type gives host/500mA usb mode 100mA Is it charging (at 100ma) and I just need to let it do its thing ? Will the wall charger work better - its at home(!) Or do I need to jump start the battery? :( Shouldnt the phone have shut itself down at 0% as protection? 2007.2 with todays updated kernel BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: battery again
On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 02:04 -0400, Matthew Lane wrote: > W.Kenworthy wrote: > > While in a meeting, I let the battery run down to 0% (as read by apm) ... > > > I believe the neo sometimes can use more than 100mA to operate, so just > plugging it in without enabling fast charge could STILL discharge the > battery. You need to enable 500mA or 1A quick charge, as noted by the > poster above me. Not quite, I borrowed a wall charger and it was ok, charged at 1A. USB from my laptop is still 100ma instead of the 500ma it has been previously. My thinking is usb charging is broken and not fixed by the depmod todays kernel needs before networking will work. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
alarm clock for 2007.2?
Is there an alarm clock pkg for 2007.2? Something that plays a sound at a particular time off the calendar? I even tried to search the repo for cron and at without luck - so I suppose these are manual build/installs? BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to see how full my battery is?
On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 18:20 +0300, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > Hi, > > kazaam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > There's some symbol in the try looking a bit like a black battery > > with a lightning symbol in it. Is this meaning it's loading? And > > where do I see how full it is? I tried acpi -v in the terminal but > > it seems openmoko is running without acpi. > > Try "apm" to see current charge and "cat > /sys/devices/platform/bq2700-battery.0/power_supply/bat/current_now" > to see power consumption. > What units is this in? - I get a slightly varying "505500" BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to see how full my battery is?
Something wasnt right - the next resume X didnt come back leaving a console display without any means of data entry. Required the battery to be removed to reboot it. And it was ~1hr when I discovered it and the battery had lost 30% in that time - was down to 4% :) Now its drawing ~166000 when I removed the charger. BillK On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 07:54 +0100, Andy Green wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Somebody in the thread at some point said: > | On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 18:20 +0300, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > |> Hi, > |> > |> kazaam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > |>> There's some symbol in the try looking a bit like a black battery > |>> with a lightning symbol in it. Is this meaning it's loading? And > |>> where do I see how full it is? I tried acpi -v in the terminal but > |>> it seems openmoko is running without acpi. > |> Try "apm" to see current charge and "cat > |> /sys/devices/platform/bq2700-battery.0/power_supply/bat/current_now" > |> to see power consumption. > |> > | What units is this in? - I get a slightly varying "505500" > > uA... that's a lot of power you're sucking there? Normally Freerunner > is around 190mA with backlight on full or 90mA idle with backlight down. > > Negative numbers from that is charging current again in uA. > > - -Andy > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkianBkACgkQOjLpvpq7dMpA3QCfZIZB1tHhHxo9CO30pBZRqDU9 > V5AAoI9bLe03Et8r8HczevfQ5L7VNvhK > =HH18 > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: receiving SMS messages
This is what seems to happen for me on 2007.2 on the Oz vodafone network. Sent an sms (didnt ask for rx) to the phone after it had been in dim&lock for a couple of hours. No indication of message - phone didnt wakeup. On actually waking phone, by pressing pwr button some 10 minutes after sending the sms, the message received ring sounded as the display became live. As sms reception did wakeup the phone at some point, a bug has been introduced somewhere that needs tracking down. BillK On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 15:09 -0400, Bruce Adams wrote: > I've had the impression, on other phones, that the GSM network could > successfully deliver a message into the SIM card inside my phone, but if > the phone software was too distracted to hear the initial notification > from the SIM card about the new message, the phone wouldn't notice the > message until another message came along or something else happened > (such as rebooting the phone) that caused the phone to look for messages > on the SIM. > > Is there a way to actively interrogate the SIM card for a list of > messages (instead of waiting around for a new message notification)? > > - Bruce > > P.S. I have to admit I have zero depth of knowledge about SMS, GSM or > SIM cards. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Feed updates
I tried to do this with 2008.8 to see if the keyboard mod would make it usable. What I ended up with was a broken X display - dont know if it fixed the phone issues (unable to register, where 2007.2 works fine) that I have as I havent put the SIM in it yet. I have a white background with icons but no decorations - huge download with almost every package upgraded. BillK On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 14:10 -0700, Scott Petersen wrote: > On Mon, August 11, 2008 09:51, Julian Chu wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 02:15:20PM +0200, Norbert Hartl wrote: > > > >> Since the release of Om2008.8 there were IMHO no further updates > >> over the feeds. Is this caused by the hard-earned rest of the exhausted > >> developers or has development switched to a dev branch/feed? > >> > >> Norbert > > > > Hi Norbert, > > > > > > We will keep update the feeds to bring the bug fix :-) > > > > > > Best Regards. > > -Ju1ian > > Could you tell us how these bug updates will be published? I had to > manually download and flash a more recent kernel because of the bug with > charging. There are other fixes that are making me think to switch back to > the buildhost feeds. The only thing stopping me is that I have seen > information (wiki in particular) that make it unclear if buildhost builds > are up to date and related to 2008.8. > > Cheers > Scott Petersen > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Suspend / Resume speed
Only part of the problem :( There is also firmware upgrade - since moko11 (tried ~1 week) I did not lose any calls/sms. I then moved to shr-unstable and its finally working almost like a phone BillK On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 17:50 -0500, Warren Baird wrote: > Interesting! > > Would this impact resume from suspend on an incoming phone call? The > reason I abandoned the 2008.X family was that I was missing 3/4 of my > incoming calls because by the time the phone unsuspended I had missed > the call... If this will fix it, maybe I can finally move off QtE... > > Warren > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Florian Hackenberger > wrote: > On Thursday 26 February 2009 18:08:54 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) > wrote: > > Check your uboot commandline loglevel value... It highly > impacts on the > > suspend/resume time. I've set it to 3 (but some time ago was > set by the > > system to 8, and I had to wait more than 6-7 seconds to wake > the phone, > > while it generally takes just 1-2 secs). > > > Thanks, that solved it! I documented this fact in the FAQ: > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Why_is_resuming_from_suspend_so_slow > > Cheers, >Florian > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Suspend / Resume speed
On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 22:31 +0100, Florian Hackenberger wrote: > On Thursday 26 February 2009 18:08:54 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: > > Check your uboot commandline loglevel value... It highly impacts on the > > suspend/resume time. I've set it to 3 (but some time ago was set by the > > system to 8, and I had to wait more than 6-7 seconds to wake the phone, > > while it generally takes just 1-2 secs). > > Thanks, that solved it! I documented this fact in the FAQ: > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Why_is_resuming_from_suspend_so_slow > > Cheers, > Florian > This does make a huge difference! - wow! - I used to fail to answer calls because they had almost rang out by the FR resumed. The test I just did had the ring almost coincident with the ring tone in the calling phones hand piece! But ... how can I make it permanent? - I issue "saveenv" and it seems to do so, but if I power off and reboot its gone :( BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Suspend / Resume speed
On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 17:20 +0900, W.Kenworthy wrote: > On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 22:31 +0100, Florian Hackenberger wrote: > > On Thursday 26 February 2009 18:08:54 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: > > > Check your uboot commandline loglevel value... It highly impacts on the > > > suspend/resume time. I've set it to 3 (but some time ago was set by the > > > system to 8, and I had to wait more than 6-7 seconds to wake the phone, > > > while it generally takes just 1-2 secs). > > > > Thanks, that solved it! I documented this fact in the FAQ: > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Why_is_resuming_from_suspend_so_slow > > > > Cheers, > > Florian > > > This does make a huge difference! - wow! - I used to fail to answer > calls because they had almost rang out by the FR resumed. > > The test I just did had the ring almost coincident with the ring tone in > the calling phones hand piece! > > But ... how can I make it permanent? - I issue "saveenv" and it seems to > do so, but if I power off and reboot its gone :( > > BillK > eh - the last part was operator error - cant save to "nor"! BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QTE 4.4.3] Determining which version of GSM firmware I have.
It did for me - absolutely refused to upgrade in every way I tried until I downgraded (as per the wiki page) and then the upgrade worked fine. This happened with moko10 and trying to upgrade to moko11 - yes doesnt make sense, but the fact I ran into it, and the wiki page had a fix that specifically mentioned it means its a real problem. BillK On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 14:01 +0300, Paul Fertser wrote: > Friedrich Clausen writes: > > On the previously mentioned GSM flashing page it says > > > >> Also PLEASE DON 'T USE moko9beta1, as there is at least one report on > >> reflashing to > >> another FW gets difficult from moko9b1. > > > > but this is the GSM firmware that came with my phone so I have no > > choice but to flash from this firmware - I hope it goes well! > > Looks like there was some confusion and this information is > incorrect. The installed firmware version can't make upgrading harder, > especially given you use the ROM bootloader. > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-Testing] Slow response when answering a call
I found this is mainly due to enlightenment using too much cpu - a workaround was posted a couple of weeks back. copy a desktop file from /usr/share/applications to /tmp, wait a few seconds and copy it back. Yes, I know it is black magic, but ... it works! A few minutes later cpu will drop back to zero if nothing else is going on. BillK On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 21:48 -0400, Cameron Frazier wrote: > Hello List > > I'm running an up-to-date SHR-Testing image. Upon receiving a call, I > answer it, but the phone continues to ring/vibrate for about 8-10 > seconds after I accept the call, then there is another second or two of > delay before audio commences. These delays are rather problematic as > the caller has no idea if I've picked up or if the call was dropped. > > I know there is some delays in the system, but earlier SHR images (the > old testing and the older per-new-testing unstable releases) were much > quicker when responding to a call. > > I'm writing this to see if there are any other users in List-land that > have similar issues and any suggestions you may have. Right now I'm not > sure if this is a localized (re: user) issue or not. > > Kind regards, > > Cameron > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-Testing] Slow response when answering a call
Just once, I do it straight after boot - lasts through suspend etc.
The original called for move and I wrote copy - sorry - not sure if copy
works as well, or it has to be move ("mv" vs "cp")
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On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 21:23 -0500, The Digital Pioneer wrote:
> I'll second this. It's always annoying, since the caller probably
> hears my ringtone still going which has to be odd for them...
>
> W.Kenworthy:
> Does that need to be done periodically, or just once after the phone
> has been running for a while?
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Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 14:48 +1100, Dale Maggee wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Lorn Potter wrote: > > Typing numbers are not 'suggested'. ... > > As I said, if you can easily switch to the qwerty keyboard. > > bwahahaha, that's a funny joke. Have you ever tried actually switching Disable it - find the keyboard files and copy terminal.kbd over the top of default and numbers. No dictionary, and terminal pops up nicely instead of those brain dead ones - you wont miss them, I dont. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 16:12 +1100, Dale Maggee wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > W.Kenworthy wrote: > > > > Disable it - find the keyboard files and copy terminal.kbd over the top ... > > It's kinda like having to choose between death by disemboweling or death > by dismemberment. > Sounds even worse than shr/2008x/FSO then - why oh why cant some of the time spent on keyboards for any OM version be put into something that works. Never been able to run qt - always tried it on the SD card, which in hindsight, needed a slow clock. Wasn't game to flash it as I needed a phone and if it didnt work on SD ... I am finding shr much more usable than the others at the moment - but even it does have its "quirks" if you want to use it everyday. Billk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] Usable alarm clock/timer app?
And mine on shr-testing annoyed the family so much THEY wanted to kill SHR, the FR and me in whatever order it took to shut it up in the early hours of the morning ... :) BillK On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 14:03 -0500, The Digital Pioneer wrote: > Yeah, I'd love to see one for SHR-Unstable too, as the default alarm > clock app went all wacky on me and tried to kill my SHR. > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shr- avoid suspend and dim screen
Taken from the replies to a similar post of mine (I think!) some time back. Replace the exec call in the desktop file (/usr/share/applications/tangogps) to this script. The exports work around where tango cant seem to find its home config This is my "car" script - sets up the FR so I can place it in a recess of the dash in landscape mode. For walking i dont rotate the screen, and allow suspend (just comment out the relevant lines). One day I'll get around to replacing it with a c program using library calls which will hopefully speed it up - I am using this script to customise tango, mofi, FBreader etc. Using shr-testing up to date a few days ago (as I am having problems building my repo at the moment :) BillK r...@om-gta02:~# cat mefiles/tgps #!/bin/sh export USER='root' export HOME='/home/root' export PWD='/home/root' cd /home/root /usr/bin/xrandr -o 1 mdbus -s org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage /org/shr/ophonekitd/Usage org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage.RequestResource 'CPU' mdbus -s org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage /org/shr/ophonekitd/Usage org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage.RequestResource 'Display' /usr/bin/tangogps mdbus -s org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage /org/shr/ophonekitd/Usage org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage.ReleaseResource 'CPU' mdbus -s org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage /org/shr/ophonekitd/Usage org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage.ReleaseResource 'Display' /usr/bin/xrandr -o 0 r...@om-gta02:~# On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 20:58 +0100, Fernando Martins wrote: > Ah! I forgot to tell: I'm using shr unstable from January and the > settings UI doesn't work, , so I was looking for a command line > instruction to suspend on/off. > > Unfortunately, suspend off is not sufficient since the battey gets > drained too fast, in a couple hours while using GPS. I don't know how > much power the GPS and CPU is being used, but I'm sure switching off the > screen would help. > > Fernando > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sean's speech at ESC about making a 3G device
On Fri, 2009-04-03 at 11:10 +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 18:35:58 +0100 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra > said: > > > On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 06:13:36PM +0100, Justyn Butler wrote: > > > 2009/4/2 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra : ... > 3g can be done - just like the 2g on feeerunner - you will talk to a closed > blob via a defined protocol. just like any chip anywhere. no less free than > gta02 in that way. BUT yes - you'll pay an extra $200. > Repeating a suggestion someone made months ago - place the gsm chipset on a (mini) daughterboard and have a cheap option (calypso) and a 3G option for those who want to pay for it. Downside is more room inside the case is likely needed, and extra costs. Taken further, from a hobyist point of view, having all major systems (GSM, GPS, WiFi, ...) pluggable would be a great idea ... Dream on ... BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Graphics Performance
On Fri, 2009-04-03 at 10:29 +0200, joa...@verona.se wrote: > ri...@happyleptic.org writes: > > > -[ Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 09:45:37AM +0200, Miguel Ángel Calderón ] > >> What really surprises me is the fact that if this is so clear, why is > >> Comunity not working on qvga graphics yet? > >> (...) > >> I'd prefer to drive the funnier modest car than to have the ferrary parked > >> outside... I though linux and free software people were mostly this way. > > > > I was feeling exactly the same, and will try qvga asap. > > I feel the "ferrari" analogy is broken. it depends on what you would > like to do with the device. Moving bling bling is not efficient, Ok. > Things that demand high resolution, like ebooks and emacs work fine. > Exactly, I dont watch movies so thats not important to me - I do however read text ebooks, use an xterm etc. which is where the hires screen is really good. I also have a 320x320 (I think) Palm treo650 - I DO NOT want to try and do what I can on the FR on that screen - its ok for video, but doesnt do text well at all. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] latest unstable with problems!
on the FR "ifdown usb0;ifup usb" If you are trying to change the default map directory: rm -rf ~/Maps ln -s YourMapDir ~/Maps BillK 0On Fri, 2009-04-03 at 11:58 +0200, Tony Berth wrote: > Dear Group, > > just tried the latest SHR unstable (both kernel and jffs) and found > following problems: > > - when in the boot screen the device gets listed in my debian server > as a usb one but after booting it dissapears from the list! So can't > access my FR any more from my machine! > - tangoGPS still crashes when trying to change the settings :( > - when I place a call, I can't hear any sound that its ringing! > > Any advice for the above issues? > > Thanks > > Tony > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: on recurring alarm and simulating a down
On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 12:32 +0200, Łukasz Pankowski wrote: > kimaidou writes: ... > > Thanks anyway, great soft ! > When you do the rewrite, can you "lose" the 1..2..3..4.. thing! - or at least make it an optional setting in favour of a large (red) single button saying "STOP!" Woke up this morning, and by the time I had fumbled and missed trying to enter the digits because of bleary sleep filled eyes and no glasses, my other half was awake and sympathetically saying "Can you please just stop fiddling around and take the battery OUT!" Otherwise its great on shr-testing - even wakes when its supposed to - not like the alarm app thats the default. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-testing] hope this isn't a stupid question...
What version? shr-testing prior to the current one had enlightenment using 30+% of cpu slowing everythingdown. The fix is to move a desktop file in/out of /usr/share/applications. Black magic - search the list for the details. BillK On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 16:19 -0500, Young wrote: > I just received my freerunner last week, so please be gentle! =P > > I have played around with the various distros, and I finally decided > that SHR was the best one to play with. (for right now) but the > ASU theme for 2008.12 was a LOT faster and more usable than the > Illuem-SHR theme. So, is it possible to install the ASU theme on SHR? > > thanks, > Young > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-Testing] Wireless Frustration - definitely a kernel problem
The older kernel works for me as well - on latest shr-testing. What I did find is that the busybox tar and gzip seem broken - the extracted modules seem corrupt. I ended up extracting on the local machine and rsyncing across to the FR. BillK On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 19:29 +0200, Nicola Mfb wrote: > 2009/4/28 Helge Hafting : > > Helge Hafting wrote: > [..] > > > > It is a kernel problem, because going back to the older kernel > > uImage-2.6.28-oe1+gitr34240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26-r3-om-gta02.bin > > fixes the WIFI problem. > > > > Unfortunately, using this older kernel with SHR testing of april 22. > > means no usb networking instead. And no sound, so no phone either. > > Did you installed modules too? it works for me, I do not know if there > are some changes that breaks frameworkd, but audio and usb works fine. > > Nicola > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ffalarms 0.2.1 and atd-over-fso (now works on SHR-testing)
Configurable, configurable, ... Everyones use case is different! - I usually wake with the click and display glow when the FR comes out of suspend, even before the alarm starts to sound, so I find the very low start fine as do the rest of the household (see next). I would also like to have a setting to remove the puzzle as I cant even see the buttons, let alone the tiny numbers without glasses. Ended up hacking the code to remove it and print a large "ACK" on the first button as the puzzle makes the FR unusable as an alarm clock (you DO have to be able to turn the alarm off before it wakes the rest of the household you know :) Colours for the clock display - I changed mine to a dim amber - much better in a dark room. Also, does the green cause problems for the colour blind? (something to think about) - but the green is much better in daylight. Again, would be nice if its both configurable and/or selectable from the display. Billk On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 13:47 -0500, Steven ** wrote: > 2009/4/27 Łukasz Pankowski : > > Currently it increases the volume +1 each second, I may make the time > > between increases configurable in config file if you insist that fixing > > point 2. (see below) is not enough for you. > > I "decoded" the python file and figured out where to change that. I > originally set it to increase by 3 each step. But then I decided > starting at a louder volume fit my use-case better. Until the volume > gets above 200, I can't really hear it in my bedroom (lots of ambient > noise from fans). I don't think it would too difficult to make these > options in the config file (I see you have a few already). Maybe some > people would rather it be configurable in the GUI, but I'm fine with > the config file approach. > > >> 2. Make ffalarms prevent suspend for a time, maybe 5 minutes. (Note > >> that it would be REALLY bad to prevent suspend indefinitely, as I > >> might forget I set an alarm and walk away from the phone, only to come > >> back hours later to an empty battery) > > > > I will try to fix the suspend issue this weekend (time is scarce) that > > is avoid suspending until you stop the alarm. > > Thanks. I'll gladly beta test any ipks you send me. :-) > > -Steven > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Time from the calypso chipset
I am playing with the calypso :) Can read the chipset time, but cant seem to set it (from mickyterm). Tried lots of variations, and from what googling finds it *should* work, but doesnt. Is there something I am missing? (using moko11 firmware) OK AT+CCLK? AT+CCLK? +CCLK: "0/1/1,0:0:14" OK AT+CCLK="00/01/01,1:0:15" AT+CCLK="00/01/01,1:0:15" ERROR AT+CCLK="0/1/1,1:0:15" AT+CCLK="0/1/1,1:0:15" ERROR ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Time from the calypso chipset
Just some further info to this: I was hoping to use the time from the SIM as a reference to keep a check on the FR time which is rarely correct, often being at least a few minutes out, and sometimes days/years out after a crash unless I notice it. Unfortunately, once you set the SIM time, it loses time at a fairly fast rate so thats not an option :( Billk On Fri, 2009-05-01 at 14:30 +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > Hi Bill, > > > Can read the chipset time, but cant seem to set it (from mickyterm). > > Tried lots of variations, and from what googling finds it *should* work, > > but doesnt. Is there something I am missing? (using moko11 firmware) > > > > OK > > AT+CCLK? > > AT+CCLK? > > +CCLK: "0/1/1,0:0:14" > > > > OK > > AT+CCLK="00/01/01,1:0:15" > > AT+CCLK="00/01/01,1:0:15" > > ERROR > > AT+CCLK="0/1/1,1:0:15" > > AT+CCLK="0/1/1,1:0:15" > > ERROR > > Welcome to the wonderful world of standards compliance *cough*. Getting the > time from the modem has just recently been implemented in frameworkd as per > http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=commitdiff;h=633ffc7bb9bbfc25ff4142d9291af00afbbd4fad;hp=1d4a6f96edf56531c891533bb7e704e2c950943b > > The fun thing is you need to give the UTC offset in the set command, although > the Calypso does not honor it and won't report it back. So if you want to do > it manually, do it like that: > > <--- Mickey's Term V2.9.1 @ /dev/pts/3 ---> > AT-Command Interpreter ready > > OK > at+cclk? > > +CCLK: "0/1/1,0:0:9" > > OK > at+cclk="09/04/01,14:30:00+00" > > OK > at+cclk? > > +CCLK: "9/4/1,14:30:3" > > OK > > Cheers, > > :M: > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ain't it funny..
Cant let this pass ... On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 11:33 +0200, arne anka wrote: > > Hmmm ... I do contribute and I do use my freerunner (sometimes, mostly > yeah, and there we are again. > _i_ for one do not have complaints (at least no significant amount > different from other phones i used) about the use as daily phone. Either you dont use your phone or its powered off in a draw :) ... see my last comment below as to why I say this. > it works now about as reliable as my treo650 used to do (which had its bad > days, too) and the last time i rebootet was for the buzz fix. i don't I have a 650 - the FR is still a long way from being as stable even now, as the 650 was when released. I was getting uptimes of weeks (and now with the sim in the FR, a battery charge lasts a full MONTH!!!) - the FR will usually only go a few days or resume cycles before a crash or reboot is needed and must be charged daily if any real use is made of it. It may go more if i dont use it, or get any calls but then, why have a phone :) Why am I contributing to a "flame"? - my phone came in the same batch as Dales to Oz (the first release), and yes, I do feel cheated somewhat as well - though I am now getting some of the service from my FR that it was supposed to have when we purchased it - but only because I am modifying the code for various bits and pieces. My point - the FR seems to be very flaky - what works for some wont work for others - in your case it works well, but for many others it is only partially working, or not at all - and this is after 12 months!. Want a concrete example - the FR keeps lousy time. otimed was introduced to help with this - but they hard coded a European IP number into it! So it works fine in Europe but not here for me in Perth Australia because its too far away to be accurate and reliable, but the European users and devs cant see a problem as it "works for them" ... Please understand that what you see, many others are not, and might have a quite different viewpoint on this ... BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GPS] new GPS GUI application for OM freerunner
On Thu, 2009-05-21 at 08:52 +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: > Nice app :) > I know it should be no easy, but a feature that I miss both in Tango > and this is the ability to rotate the maps accordingly the direction I am still waiting for gps lock (actually just got it ... in the office :), but it looks nice so far. symlinking the map directory to the tangogps store works fine. One thing that all gps apps I see on the FR so far do is centre the cursor/position. Thats fine when standing still, but I am not really interested in where I have been, but where I am going so it would be nice if the cursor/centre of the display was offset appropriately. Can someone tell me: what the "foot" with a red cross through it means - doesnt seem to do anything. and similarly, the two diagonal opposing arrows next to it. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GPS] new GPS GUI application for OM freerunner
Hi mgy, good little app. I tried it in the car yesterday and found that the cursor moved off the map unless manually centred - is there a way to make the cursor fixed and the map move under it as does tangogps? Its not possible to continually hit centre whilst driving/biking. I do like the way the display is organised - better, cleaner and more informative. BillK On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 12:53 -0700, mqy wrote: > Hi all: > > I got my gta02 freerunner on DEC 2008. > After nearly 5 months development, I'm happy to announce the first alpha > release of omgps. > > It is not as feature rich as other GPS applications, such as tangoGPS, > anyway I think it should satisfy most of > the daily needs. Please goto http://code.google.com/p/omgps/, download and > give a try. > > After ten years of programming as a web developer for most of the time, now > I join the community with my little gift :) Thanks you to open source > community -- for your great works and spirits. > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: is 0.4A sufficient for charging?
What is the "power_center tool" ? Is it an application, part of a distro, ... BillK On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 08:09 +0200, Alexander Lehner wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, ivvmm wrote: > > > going to buy a device from a local store that will convert alternating > > current from my bicycle's front hub dynamo to 5V 0.4A. Is that > > sufficient for charging my Neo? > > I have soldered such a device by myself and it works. I think the phone > needs only a little more than 120mA for charging, depending on which > features are powered on (GSM, Bluetooth, WiFI, GPS etc). > The main problem that I see is, that the FR will not recognize the load it > may pull from the USB line if you don't put that magic resistor between > the Id and GND pin of the USB plug. > > You can also use the power_center tool to force a charge of 500mA, but I > believe it falls back to 100mA as soon as the power supply drops (what > will happen if you stop bycicling). So a battery-buffered solution would > be preferable. > > BTW: Could you please send a link to the shop where you found this DC > converter? > > Alex. > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] How to power off Wifi?
try `iwconfig eth0 power on txpower off` to minimise power consumption, and the inverse `iwconfig eth0 power off txpower auto` to turn it back on. While not removing power, it certainly reduces consumption. Also, while using wireless with power saving on sounds good when running on battery, Ive found it rather flakey. The above is minimal - for me it was better to set other parameters such as channel number and SSID when powering up as well. BillK On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 22:18 +0100, Alex Oberhauser wrote: > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:24:24AM +0200, Margo Koppelmann wrote: > > I have the same question: how do i turn off wifi? I'm using FDOM and after > > using wifi I do "ifdown eth0" and then turn wifi off in Config -> Settings > > and then I turn it off in Config -> Services, but the little wifi icon in > > the top panel still remains and the battery empties about 3 times faster > > than usual. I have to restart my Freerunner everytime after I use wifi to > > get the normal state back. Is it really impossible to turn the wifi off? > > I don't know exactly how it works under FDOM/2008.x, but under FSO you have > the possibility to power off the devices (not only the wifi, also GSM, GPS and > bluetooth) over D-Bus. I think there is a similar way in FDOM/2008.x. Another > possible is to power it down manually (something under /proc/..., I have the > exact path not in mind). > > For the power down of all devices which are able to send/receive I have > written today a prototype as shell script and an more advanced in python. Is > the first step toward the flight modus. Is there any plan in this direction? > A few months ago I have read about it in the WIKI. > > Regards > > Alex > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Windows on openmoko?
Graphic :( I think there was one as a joke a couple of months back - maybe its the same one. BillK On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 00:59 +0100, Bernd Prünster wrote: > IceWM + custom theme?!!! > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Expressing hope that the next-gen Openmoko hardware might support 3G/3.5G/HSDPA when it arrives
Are there any statistics available on how many phones have been sold and where - I ask out of interest, but realise this may be something thats is commercially sensitive so wont be released. BillK On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 09:05 +0800, Wolfgang Spraul wrote: > Justyn, > > > I do hope Openmoko are giving the connectivity of the phone the > > weighting > > it deserves. ... However, for an increasing portion of the market it > > is becoming > > expected in any new "smart" phone. > ... > > So this email is about making sure that it is known that there is a > > market of people who have suspended their hope in OM for the time > > being but will come rushing back once it can offer 3.5G > > Yes, we are fully aware of 3G, thanks for the reminder still. > Luckily development is heating up, both internally we continue hiring > and our community grows and buys more phones. > The smarter we are in ramping this up the faster we get to 3G. > > Best Regards, > Wolfgang > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Compatible earphones ...
Have to find something first - thinking bluetooth may be better. BillK On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 19:19 +0100, Marcel wrote: > Am Monday 01 December 2008 13:00:15 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Just broke my freerunners original headset. Is there a list of > > > compatible models? - not much thats useful on the wiki that Ive been > > > able to find Just that some Nokia smartphone models will work ... > > > > > > Looking more for a headset rather than the original earbuds. > > > > > > BillK > > > > Try to keep the broken headset around anyway. It can be useful to solder > > a headphone jack to it so you can use whatever headphones you like with > > it. The 2.5mm 4-pole plug seems hard to come by. > > And please add your results to [1] when you've got something working! :) > > [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Headset > > -- > Marcel > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Crackly Calls and Battery Tips!
On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 20:26 +0100, Leonti Bielski wrote: > Hello and welcome to OM community :) > ... > > 2.) From what you've written it seems like you don't suspend your > phone. What image do you use? Anyways, you have to enable autosuspend > - so phone will go to sleep while not being used and wake up only on ... Is there any benefit in enabling auto-suspend over manual? - I always found it suspended when you least expected it, didnt want it to, often causing crashes as it interrupted something going on. It used to suspend when you were remotely logged in, and often wouldnt wake-up. Manually doing was a lot more successful. However, I have turned auto-suspend off as almost the first action after flashing (the default 10 seconds is a little extreme!) so I have not even triedit for awhile - have all the above issues been fixed? (esp. on 2008.testing which I am using) BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: perl for OM
"opkg list|grep perl" "opkg install perl" BillK On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 13:30 +, Graeme Gregory wrote: > On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 16:20 +0300, Ivan Shirokoff wrote: > > Hello. Has anyone managed to compile perl for FR? > > > > Yes it successfully compiles in OE, so if you log a feature request bug > and request it get added to official feeds it should become available. > > Graeme > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
2008.testing (2008.9 upgraded) - "Settings" not running
I am using 2008.testing (2008.9 upgraded) and the Settings app wont start - same if I run "exposure.py" in a terminal, and no debug is printed. A "ps aux" shows exposure running, but no window appears and the command line returns without printing anything. Is there a way to debug python apps and see where its going wrong? BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qwerty keyboard
Change to the illume theme - instructions on the wiki To stop the other kb's from appearing unexpectedly: opkg list_installed|grep keyboard. Uninstall the numbers and default - leave only the terminal one. I cant be more specific as I have already done so! You will get an occasional flash as it tries to switch, but it comes back with the terminal. Downside is if you go back to asu, you dont have a keyboard - no great loss as with the standard keyboard its unusable anyway. This may be fixable, but I have not looked further. Billk On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 00:33 +0100, Bernd Prünster wrote: > Will Siddall schrieb: > > Hey Tony, > > One thing you my consider would be try install the > > 'illume-keyboards-terminal' (found here: > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#How_to_install_the_illume_.28Raster.27s.29_keyboard_.3F). > > If you install the 'illume-config-illume' package, you will also be > > able to choose your default keyboard as well. > > > > This is what I've been using a lot and it comes with three keyboards > > you can flip between. An 'intelli-type' keyboard (which is alright > > for SMS') and a matching numbers/symbols keyboard and then a terminal > > keyboard which is a tiny keyboard to be typing any kind of terminal > > commands with, but it's still useful. > > > > Until we can get any significant change in using the accelerometers to > > automatically rotate the interface and give us a bigger keyboard, this > > is what's available. > > > > > > > > I CAN'T GET RID OF THAT F*CKING QTOPIA KEYBOARD!!! > followed the instructions, even tried to mess with qpe but after about > 15 minutes is keeps coming back. > how to disable this royal pain in the a**? > > i like my phone but without a rasters keyboard it's pretty useless. > really i am in severe pain right now. > as much as i like the testing image, this is f*cked up sh*t. > sorry about the abusive language, but i'm thinking about throwing my neo > against the wall as last resort to that evil black monster which is > claimed to be a "keyboard" > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qwerty keyboard
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 01:17 +0100, Bernd Prünster wrote: > W.Kenworthy schrieb: > > Change to the illume theme - instructions on the wiki > > > > To stop the other kb's from appearing unexpectedly: > > opkg list_installed|grep keyboard. > > > > Uninstall the numbers and default - leave only the terminal one. I cant > > be more specific as I have already done so! > > > > You will get an occasional flash as it tries to switch, but it comes > > back with the terminal. > > > > Downside is if you go back to asu, you dont have a keyboard - no great > > loss as with the standard keyboard its unusable anyway. This may be > > fixable, but I have not looked further. > > > > > > Billk > > > i ma not talkig about the different illume keyboards, i am talking about > the QTOPIA keyboard (btw i know how the illume kbd works and tweaked the > layout a little in my past image - it is not necessary to remove de > default keyboard if you dont want to use it as default for messages, ect...) > Sorry, missunderstood what you are trying to do. The only way I could stop the other keyboards from appearing at inopportune times was to remove them altogether. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Acustic 'empty battery warning' ?
What distro? - clock doesnt work on 2008.9 through to the current testing. BillK On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 14:12 +0100, Lothar Behrens wrote: > Hmm, > > > using the clock to wake me up in the morning would be an option to > check the > battery. > > > It even wakes up, or boots, if I have shut down the phone :-) > > > If the clock is not at a really alarm time (to wake me up :-), > it could configure the next wakeup to check the battery. > > > Is that a solution if PMU doesn't support us with another solution ? > > > Lothar > > > Am 17.12.2008 um 13:35 schrieb William Kenworthy: > > > Doesnt it already do that - I know that in the middle of the night I > > used to get regularly awakened by a "sht" sound from the Fr as > > the > > battery ran out - oh wait, you mean before ... > > > > :) > > > > Its actually a good idea - I use a couple of perl scripts to flash > > the > > leds in various colours/rates to indicate charge. Doesnt help when > > shut > > down though. Perhaps a cron job to wake every hour and check the > > charge, then go back to sleep? Does cron work on the FR these days? > > > > BillK > > > > > > On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 14:16 +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > > > Lothar Behrens writes: > > > > Is there a way to do this ? > > > > > > while true; do > > > if [ `capacity` -lt 10 ]; then > > > alert > > > fi > > > sleep 120 > > > done > > > > > > > Is there also a way when the device is in suspend mode, to > > > > wakeup and > > > > do this warning ? > > > > > > I'm guessing yes but I do not know the PMU stuff well. > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Openmoko community mailing list > > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- > > William Kenworthy > > Home in Perth! > > > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de > Lothar Behrens > Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 > 73252 Lenningen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
alsa problem after resume
Any ideas on this: Forced audio codec: mad Opening audio decoder: [libmad] libmad mpeg audio decoder AUDIO: 16000 Hz, 1 ch, s16le, 16.0 kbit/6.25% (ratio: 2000->32000) Selected audio codec: [mad] afm: libmad (libMAD MPEG layer 1-2-3) == [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 1ch s16le (2 bytes per sample) Video: no video Starting playback... [AO_ALSA] Pcm in suspend mode, trying to resume. A: 0.0 (00.0) of 177.0 (02:57.0) ??,?% Before suspending, everything is fine. Afterward resume, mplayer gives this error, I have no received audio in phonecalls, or ring tone, or sms beeps. No audio until reboot in fact. Any ideas? BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[2008.testing] Re: alsa problem after resume
Should have added - using 2008.testing, and it used to work. Stopped at "some point" after installs and upgrades, dont know when :( BillK On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 14:54 +0900, W.Kenworthy wrote: > Any ideas on this: > > Forced audio codec: mad > Opening audio decoder: [libmad] libmad mpeg audio decoder > AUDIO: 16000 Hz, 1 ch, s16le, 16.0 kbit/6.25% (ratio: 2000->32000) > Selected audio codec: [mad] afm: libmad (libMAD MPEG layer 1-2-3) > == > [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or > resource busy > [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or > resource busy > AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 1ch s16le (2 bytes per sample) > Video: no video > Starting playback... > [AO_ALSA] Pcm in suspend mode, trying to resume. > A: 0.0 (00.0) of 177.0 (02:57.0) ??,?% > > Before suspending, everything is fine. > Afterward resume, mplayer gives this error, I have no received audio in > phonecalls, or ring tone, or sms beeps. No audio until reboot in fact. > > Any ideas? > BillK > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.testing] Re: alsa problem after resume
Solution: removed speech dispatcher from running and rebooted. Will look further, but it seems it was installed with navit - which I have not used so far. BillK * early sign of madness - replying to ones own posts - multiple times for this one so ... On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 15:21 +0900, W.Kenworthy wrote: > Should have added - using 2008.testing, and it used to work. Stopped at > "some point" after installs and upgrades, dont know when :( > > BillK > > > On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 14:54 +0900, W.Kenworthy wrote: > > Any ideas on this: > > > > Forced audio codec: mad > > Opening audio decoder: [libmad] libmad mpeg audio decoder > > AUDIO: 16000 Hz, 1 ch, s16le, 16.0 kbit/6.25% (ratio: 2000->32000) > > Selected audio codec: [mad] afm: libmad (libMAD MPEG layer 1-2-3) > > == > > [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or > > resource busy > > [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or > > resource busy > > AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 1ch s16le (2 bytes per sample) > > Video: no video > > Starting playback... > > [AO_ALSA] Pcm in suspend mode, trying to resume. > > A: 0.0 (00.0) of 177.0 (02:57.0) ??,?% > > > > Before suspending, everything is fine. > > Afterward resume, mplayer gives this error, I have no received audio in > > phonecalls, or ring tone, or sms beeps. No audio until reboot in fact. > > > > Any ideas? > > BillK > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 12:24 +0100, Michael Zanetti wrote: > As It seems this thread is becoming more and more some sort of a whish-list, > I > will put my 2ct here also: > > - Please don't add a camera: Has ever anyone made a picture with a mobile > phone camera that doesn't suck? Get a real camera if you want to make some > nice pictures! There is just one way to get a useful camera within a mobile > phone: Using very expensive optical lens and zooming technologies. But in > that Actually, please add a camera. Many techos (that is those who work in technical areas) use the mobile phone camera in their work. I.e., photos of situations, faults etc for reference/passing on to support etc. Only one device to carry, and its always with you. Yes early ones were barely adequate (I used a Palm treo for this), but others moved onto nokias etc when they came with better cameras. And how many controversial situations hit the news where a mobile phone camera was used as its on the spot and available? Not talking professional photography here, but a useful tool. Billk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM 2008.12] Enlightenment Drop Shadow Performance
On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 10:04 +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:13:59 +0100 "Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster" > babbled: > > > Dylan Reilly schrieb: > > > FWIW, I have been able to reduce the CPU usage of Enlightenment on my > > > OM testing build device by disabling drop shadows. After recent > > > updates from testing (which should be more or less the 2008.12 image) > > > Enlightenment was constantly grabbing 20% CPU and who knows how much > > > IO. After I obliterated the drop shadow module, > > > (/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/dropshadow) only 1-2% CPU is being > > > used. > > > > > > Moreover, I remembered some recent post(s) tentatively linking the > > > Software-16 crashes (when using the illume theme) to drop shadows. On > > > a whim I re-enabled that engine and am not seeing any problems. So, > > > now I get a snappier UI to boot. > > > > > > > > WOOHOO!!! you made my day > > dropshadow shouldnt cause 20% cpu - unless some totally bizarre stuff has been > done to the theme: > > Running the illume theme: Not sure about the cpu - but removing drop-shadow does stop the segfaults when running software_16 engine. Also the Settings app now runs, and for a short while at least I had a gsm signal level (maybe too low where I am at the moment). Billk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qwerty keyboard
Crashes are a VERY well known problem with LOTS of emails on the list. switch to the software engine, or remove the dropshadow module. BillK On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 22:50 +0100, Pander wrote: > Yeah the default keyboard is not the Illume one, hope this will be > changed soon. And also the Terminal keybaord may be default with Illume > keyboard too. > > I did: > #Add/modify "export QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1" in > /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia > sed -i -e s,asu,illume, /etc/enlightenment/default_profile > /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart > > If I only do the first line, I have no keyboard at all. > > So for now I have the Illume keyboard with Illume and also get a bit > annoyed by all the crashes. What is the way to have the Illume keyboard > but not Illume, like in the latest FDOM? > > > > Peter Stumm wrote: > > is there now any resolution > > > > i have the 2008.12 image and enlightenment crashes always. > > and after that the asu keyboard is there ...shit! > > > > Am Mittwoch, den 17.12.2008, 18:51 +0200 schrieb Yogiz: > >>> One stupid question: is this the first image that is linked? (not by > >>> alphabetical order, by line-number) > >> Doesn't seem to be so. > >> > >>> remote-diagnostics without additional info is quite thing > >>> would you dare to email a compressed (zip/tgz/ar/whatever) version of > >>> your working directory? > >>> ...maybe directly to the ml... shouldn't be such a big file since the > >>> asu theme doesn't use many pics > >> I've sent it to you privately. > >> > >> Yogiz > >> > >> ___ > >> Openmoko community mailing list > >> community@lists.openmoko.org > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [0m2008-9] Trying to partition the uSD card but unable to umount the partition that has been created
lsof will tell you that qtopia uses the file. Stop the xserver and it should free up. By the way, it would be worth your while to read up on the qtopia indexing problem which the sqlite file is a result. BillK On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 11:22 -0500, john dowd wrote: > Would anyone know which application I would have to kill to be able to > unmount the partition that was created on the uSD card? I want to > backup my current kernel & rootfs to the uSD card since it is now > stable. Apparently the Qtopia_db.sqlite file was created for the > Qtopia apps but I can't easily see who is using the partition. > > Cheers!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Freerunner] Access GPS chip's parameters and navigational models?
because the qtopia indexing stops with it ... Its probably possible to just stop the app doing the indexing (mediaserver I think), but I am not sure if it would create problems to knock out a low level part of qtopia or not. An alternative is to change the config so on the next boot, it wont index the SD card at all (best fix in fact) Billk On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 21:46 +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > Al Johnson writes: > > /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop > > Hmm, why is stopping X server necessary? > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki page - which file system in sd card?
On Sun, 2009-02-01 at 15:03 +0100, arne anka wrote: > > systems. Since not many people are recommending reiserfs nowadays due to > > lack of maintenance, regardless of being considered better than ext2/3, > > ext3 remains as the choice. > > it's not only "lack of maintenance" and reiserfs is not "considered to be > better" (by whom?)! > the best you could say is, that opinions are divided on the subject. > ext3 has a long history of kernel support compared to reiserfs -- if > reiserfs would be considered better, ext3 would not have gained the > attrention it got -- there's no natural choice. > even suse, a long term supporter and co-developer of reiser switched to > ext3 -- and certainly not due to lack of maintenance. I have to disagree here - because my own opinion is that ext2/3 are not the best for every purpose, and are demonstrably a poor choice for OSM maps on an SD card for instance. Last I heard reiserfs3 is still being maintained, and it has some real advantages for OSM maps (reiserfs doesnt have inode limits like ext2/3 does), and is much faster (against ext3). The reason you give "if reiserfs would be considered better, ext3 would not have gained the attrention it got" is not valid - politics and personal animosity between the reiserfs developer and the ext2/3 devs played a huge part with the ext2/3 devs having the inside run and able to play politics more effectively (both side are not blameless here) - the history is out there for all to see. The decision wasnt based on technical merits but who played politics better as far as I can see. There is a certain amount of YMMV with file system choices depending on your usage scenarios, but personally I would really like to use reiserfs and dump ext2/3 and all the problems they cause on the FR (lost data/corrupted filesystems, slow performance, ...) that I have. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
yaml rule to stop suspending when using gps
I'am using a recent shr-unstable and trying to work out a way to stop the thing suspending when using GPS. I think I also saw an email in the past asking how to do this using a yaml rule but cant find it - can someone point me in the right direction please. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?
On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 18:43 -0700, tokenwizard wrote: > I have one for you... > I have been "using" my freerunner for about three weeks now. I ordered it ... > and the Power/Aux and Aux/Power combos. I've tried these thing both with and > without the AC adapter attached and after pulling the battery for about a > minute. > > It seems as I have a dead phone now. I don't even hear that distinctive > little hiss that you normally hear when you first press the Power button! > > Anybody seen this before?? > > James Id still bet on the battery - try another to confirm. If the mains adaptor doesnt work, does the usb help? - (did for me at one "event") Ive seen the battery go flat in a couple of hours with the FR too hot to touch Ive seen occasions when plugging in USB it never went to 500ma charge, and slowly discharged with only 100ma available which is less than the FR running draw Ive seen occasions where I plugged in the mains charger - and it didnt charge, again flattening the battery further until discovered and corrected. Currently everything seems to mostly work as it should (uboot/kernel updates!), but there is an element of randomness to when the next affliction strikes! BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Cpoying image to internal flash
I partitioned the SD card with 2G vfat for p1 and the rest as ext2 as p2 (8G card) Then copy the files you want accessible from (in my case) 2007.2 into the first partition. The uboot will start from the SD image fine from the uboot menu (picks up the uImage.bin file and seems to not care there are other files/dirs present), while booted into 2007.2 its on /mnt/card, and /media/mmcblk0p1 as is usual, with the second partition on /media/mmcblk0p2 BillK On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 07:42 +0200, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" wrote: > William Kenworthy wrote: > > I am trying out 2008.9 and am impressed that its almost usable. Before > > I put too much effort into configuring the image I have on the SD card, > > is it possible to move an SD card image to the phone itself? > > I'm interested in this too, but I'd like to know if there's a way to > mount the rootfs partition when you're running a distro from the SD > card. I can do only the contrary! > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Copying image to internal flash
Thanks, the link is much appreciated. BillK On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 08:24 +0200, Olivier Berger wrote: > "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > William Kenworthy wrote: > >> I am trying out 2008.9 and am impressed that its almost usable. Before > >> I put too much effort into configuring the image I have on the SD card, > >> is it possible to move an SD card image to the phone itself? > > > > I'm interested in this too, but I'd like to know if there's a way to > > mount the rootfs partition when you're running a distro from the SD > > card. I can do only the contrary! > > > > See > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Moving_current_system_from_flash_to_SD > for some useful reference. > > Hope this helps. > > Best regards, > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FDOM updated
On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 15:17 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > William Kenworthy wrote: > > This has become a saga. After failing to get FDOM-13092008 working from > > the SD card, I decided to try flashing it. > > ... > I don't use fdom but it sounds suspiciously broken seeing as noone else > has reported it. > > Have you tried an updated uboot and kernel? > > It just seems strange that only you would receive a corrupt or > nonfunctiong userland ... hopefully it's just a mismatch. > > Sarton > I am using the matching kernel and jffs file and a uboot of almost the same day. Going to try some of the other family members sims and see if they make a difference - shouldnt as this one works fine with 2007.2. I did see some others say its working for them - so far what seems to be happening is that the sim cant connect in time, qpe dies and never comes back. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FSO/ASU not registering on the Australian Vodafone GSM network
I am having a problem registering anything ASU/FSO based with the Australian Vodafone GSM network. Its not the SIM card but ASU/FSO as 2007.2 works fine. I also believe that other Aussies are having the same problem. I found some pages describing how to manually talk to the GSM chip, but they are 2007 based and dont work for me. Is there anything on how to talk to the GSM chip (mimicom?) on the wiki? Are the connect commands built into the GSM daemon, or in a config file somewhere they can be checked/modded? BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO/ASU not registering on the Australian Vodafone GSM network
What are the correct minicom settings? - Ive tried almost every combination without any effect - yes Ive powered on the chip before entering minicom! BillK On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 20:15 +0800, Erin Yueh wrote: > William Kenworthy wrote: > > Thanks. I also found you can run the daemon in verbose mode on the > > command line. Doesnt appear to be asking to register. I dont have a > > pin set, so have just set it in my Treo to see if that is the problem. > > > > BillK > > > > On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 10:51 +0100, Al Johnson wrote: > >> On Tuesday 16 September 2008, W.Kenworthy wrote: > >>> I am having a problem registering anything ASU/FSO based with the > >>> Australian Vodafone GSM network. Its not the SIM card but ASU/FSO as > >>> 2007.2 works fine. I also believe that other Aussies are having the > >>> same problem. > >>> > >>> I found some pages describing how to manually talk to the GSM chip, but > >>> they are 2007 based and dont work for me. Is there anything on how to > >>> talk to the GSM chip (mimicom?) on the wiki? > >> mickeyterm in FSO gives you a connection to the GSM chip to run AT > >> commands. > >> > >>> Are the connect commands built into the GSM daemon, or in a config file > >>> somewhere they can be checked/modded? > >>> > >>> BillK > > You still can use 'cu', 'socat' or 'minicom' to connect to GSM modem > directly. If you use '2007.02', you can read gsmd log. If you use > '2008.08', use 'logread' to see the log information from GSM modem. > Check what CME or CMS error code you have. > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM > > Cheers, > Erin > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
What packages have cu and socat?
What packages have cu and socat? BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What packages have cu and socat?
Unfortunately, I need the OM2008.8 pkg. I installed uucp and it doesnt contain cu. minicom doesnt work (or I have not hit on the right settings - doesnt seem to be documented anywhere!), cant find cu/socat ... [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cu -sh: cu: not found [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg list|grep uucp uucp - 1.07-r2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg files uucp Package uucp (1.07-r2) is installed on root and has the following files: /usr/sbin/uucico /usr/bin/uux /usr/bin/uupick /usr/bin/uuto /usr/sbin/uuxqt /usr/bin/uustat /usr/sbin/uuchk /usr/bin/uucp /usr/sbin/uuconv /usr/bin/uuname /usr/bin/uulog /usr/sbin/uusched [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# BillK On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 11:01 +1000, Neil Caldwell wrote: > 2008/9/17 W.Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > What packages have cu and socat? > > > > BillK > > > > > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader > > "(cu is in the taylor-uucp package, use "apt-get install cu" if it is > not yet installed) " > > the taylor-uucp package is in gentoo portage, and possibly in whatever > repository you are using (though i cant be sure). if not im sure > google can help you get it. > > i dont know about the other program though. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO/ASU not registering on the Australian Vodafone GSM network
I set a pin but it only asked for it once(still no connection), and never again. I deleted 2007.2 so cant test it with that anymore, howver everything works as expected on my Treo. BillK On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 12:37 +1000, Sarton O'Brien wrote: > On Tuesday 16 September 2008 19:22:59 Dale Maggee wrote: > > I'm on the Aussie Vodafone network, using an old sim card I've had for > > *many* years (it's red and labelled "sim^2" [i.e sim squared]), and FSO3 > > works fine for me, although sometimes it takes a little while to prompt > > for my PIN. as for ASU I can't be sure - the last time I tested it it > > registered, but again took a while, but It only lasted maybe 2 reboots > > before it got reverted back to 2007.2 again. > > I own a gta02v5. > > I'm on Vodafone too, newer card, Vodafone logo with 'if found call' blah blah. > > Never had a problem. > > I triboot qtopia (updated against testing), om2008 (updated against testing) > and FSO milestone 3 (not sure where to update - tried testing :) and all do > what I'd expect. > > I have a pin set. > > Sorry, not much I can offer. One thought comes to mind though, out of all the > providers I've had, Vodafone seems to have the lowest signal strength. I used > to think it was my ipaq but it is the same with the FR. Maybe 2007 is driving > it harder? That's about all I can think of. > > Sarton > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO/ASU not registering on the Australian Vodafone GSM network
Query - is there anything you do to get the pin dialog up? Have the dialler onscreen? - or just let it boot and it comes up automaticly? Billk On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 12:37 +1000, Sarton O'Brien wrote: > On Tuesday 16 September 2008 19:22:59 Dale Maggee wrote: > > I'm on the Aussie Vodafone network, using an old sim card I've had for > > *many* years (it's red and labelled "sim^2" [i.e sim squared]), and FSO3 > > works fine for me, although sometimes it takes a little while to prompt > > for my PIN. as for ASU I can't be sure - the last time I tested it it > > registered, but again took a while, but It only lasted maybe 2 reboots > > before it got reverted back to 2007.2 again. > > I own a gta02v5. > > I'm on Vodafone too, newer card, Vodafone logo with 'if found call' blah blah. > > Never had a problem. > > I triboot qtopia (updated against testing), om2008 (updated against testing) > and FSO milestone 3 (not sure where to update - tried testing :) and all do > what I'd expect. > > I have a pin set. > > Sorry, not much I can offer. One thought comes to mind though, out of all the > providers I've had, Vodafone seems to have the lowest signal strength. I used > to think it was my ipaq but it is the same with the FR. Maybe 2007 is driving > it harder? That's about all I can think of. > > Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO/ASU not registering on the Australian Vodafone GSM network
On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 13:06 +1000, Sarton O'Brien wrote: > On Wednesday 17 September 2008 12:48:05 W.Kenworthy wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 12:37 +1000, Sarton O'Brien wrote: > > Oh and as we are all supposedly enforcing mailling list rules now, please > don't top post. Well done on the subject btw ;) As I stated initially, the sim works fine on 2007.2 - its only on FSO/FDOM/2008.8 where I am having the problem. I have tried another, few month old vodafone sim with the same results as my many years old one (under FDOM) Please dont bottom post unless willing to trim the mail - I waste such a lot of time scrolling its really frustrating - to the point I often never read bottom posters. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO/ASU not registering on the Australian Vodafone GSM network
On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 13:11 +1000, Sarton O'Brien wrote: > On Wednesday 17 September 2008 13:00:31 W.Kenworthy wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 12:37 +1000, Sarton O'Brien wrote: > > > On Tuesday 16 September 2008 19:22:59 Dale Maggee wrote: ... > > > > Query - is there anything you do to get the pin dialog up? Have the > > dialler onscreen? - or just let it boot and it comes up automaticly? > > It coincides with starting X. Usually a /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart is > enough (or qpe restart?). > > I'm not sure if it will reprompt if the pin has already been entered > successfully however. > > Sarton > Good hint! - restarting X and it asked for the sim (why doesnt it ask on bootup?) And I was able to connect and check voicemail! So at least its usable, now I have to figure out where the problem is. Thanks everyone for putting me on the right track (set pin, restart X). BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What packages have cu and socat?
Thanks Erin, I'll give it a try tonight. BillK On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 12:38 +0800, Erin Yueh wrote: > Hi, > i use OE to build package and i upload socat package here. You may try > it on. > > http://cs1.cs.nyu.edu/~wcy203/socat_1.3.2.1-r1_armv4t.opk > > --erin > > W.Kenworthy wrote: > > Unfortunately, I need the OM2008.8 pkg. I installed uucp and it doesnt > > contain cu. minicom doesnt work (or I have not hit on the right > > settings - doesnt seem to be documented anywhere!), cant find > > cu/socat ... > > > [...] > > > > On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 11:01 +1000, Neil Caldwell wrote: > >> 2008/9/17 W.Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >>> What packages have cu and socat? > >>> > >>> BillK > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
kobodeluxe - how do you quit?
I installed the kobodeluxe game for the kid, but we cant figure out how to exit it :( Even if you go through 5 new lives and get the menu, hitting quit with a stylus just takes you back into the game. Ended up removing the battery. How? BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: email
Thats qtmail :) Cant handle 6-7000 messages going back 5 years (I regard this as medium, 5+ is large :) I had to delete the account as it slowed the whole messages app so much SMS was a problem. And it wont allow itself to be selective as to what mailboxes it syncs, so its trying to download my archives, which I need available for work on other mail readers (syncing only the Inbox and a couple of current interest accounts is how I dealt with it on my treo). Its a long standing problem with qtmail apparently :( BillK On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 11:39 +1000, nickd wrote: > Have you tried to use the default Qtopia "Messages" client? I see it has > room for emails but I havne't tested it myself. > > -Nick > > William Kenworthy wrote: > > Is there a reasonable email client for the FR ASU? > > > > qtmail sucks - its been ~20 hours and it still hasnt finished syncing my > > mail boxes :( > > > > I tried claws on 2007.2 - interface couldnt handle the screen. > > > > What else is there? > > > > BillK > > > > > > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: email
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtmail might help to get SSL working. BillK On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 19:17 -0700, Shawn "prjktdtnt" Thompson wrote: > nickd wrote: > > Have you tried to use the default Qtopia "Messages" client? I see it has > > room for emails but I havne't tested it myself. > > > > -Nick > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > I tried it myself, don't know if Bill has, and didn't get it to work > right. It apparently has issues with SSL so it doesn't work with my > google apps, wanted to start receiving the mailing lists to my phone but > without SSL support it isn't possible. > > -Shawn > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: email
Tried it - at the small screen setting and smallest I could set font the email got only 2 -3 words per line! Almost useless. Rather than have something adapted from the PC world, we need something designed for a PDA. e.g., Palms Versamail gets quite a panning in general, but its still far better than anything Ive yet tried on the FR :( Mutt or pine in a console might be a better choice, but have not seen a package for them yet. BillK On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 06:45 +0200, Petr Vanek wrote: > On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:18:30 +0800 > William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (WK) > wrote: > > >I tried claws on 2007.2 - interface couldnt handle the screen. > > > > claws could theoretically actually do - i use it daily on my business > desktop and i tried once on FR, didn't have time since then, but the > speed was OK (i have the same speed issues with qtmail) > > In Claws Mail, try in Menu: View->Layout->Small Screen > > then look up the keyboard shortcuts, these are excellent (only few, > say 5, but very powerful) > > > > -- > Petr Vaněk > http://biodynamika.cz > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: console command history
On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 22:21 -0400, Joel Newkirk wrote: > On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:29:59 +1100, "Sarton O'Brien" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tuesday 14 October 2008 12:17:06 Joel Newkirk wrote: > >> On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:21:18 +0200, Fox Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> > If you use bash on OM than do it the same way how it is done in a > > normal > >> > linux pc. You must "export HISTFILESIZE=1000" to set the number of > > lines > >> > saved to 1000. Just put this command in an adequate file to be > > executed > >> > at start like profile or bashrc. > >> > > >> > Ciao, > >> > Rainer > >> > >> Indeed, but how then do I tell it to use bash instead of ash for > > Terminal > >> and ssh? > > > > vi /etc/passwd? > > > > Sarton > > (Ok, I'll go sit in the corner for five minutes wearing the stupid hat... > I already knew that from desktop/server context but for some reason my > brain just didn't make the connection...) > > Thanks. > > j > be aware that doing this used to break X and other things during boot-up - not sure why but "funny things happened ..." Only work around I found was to log in as usual, and type "bash" at the command prompt. Be interesting to see if this is still the case ... BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience
2008.9 + updates A phone that works: reliably make and receive calls reliably make and receive sms's At the moment, totally losing sms messages (phone sometimes hangs/crashes when one comes in) or not waking up if suspended when one comes in means that its almost unusable as a phone. It often takes several boots before the pin dialog comes up. If you forget while waiting and it does come up but its awhile until you get to it, it will hang so you have to reboot anyway. Sometimes restarting X helps, but not always Stability: My average in normal usage is at least two boots a day due to crashes, and often extra rebooting to check if an sms comes in (sometimes they will only show on fresh re-registration. Leaving the phone on and registered for hours doesnt seem to help - not sure how vodafone australia takes to retry messages but surely its less that 12 hours. The only way to stop crashes is not to use the thing! No GPS, no wireless, no phone calls, and definitely never send/receive an sms :) I suspect the event/0 thread is at the root of a lot of this so I am waiting a fix for that. I dont think I am alone in this - hopefully the new focus means that these issues can be dealt with. I am a little concerned though that you think things like boot time is important enough to mention, but not basic issues like being able to reliably make a phone call. Though a faster boot means less time wasted going through multiple bootups to get the thing registered. :) I should mention that 2007.2 seemed more stable and mature than 2008 anything still is up until work stopped on it. BillK On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 15:47 +0800, John Lee wrote: > Hi, > > Like Wolfgang said in > http://n2.nabble.com/Weekly-Engineering-News-41-2008-td1336450.html > > We assembled a team to focus on improving the user experience. Here > is our todo list at the moment: > > * Reduce boot time. > > * Optimize the touch screen driver on freerunner for finger usage. > > * A generic python loader to enhance the start up time of python > scripts. > > * Work with system team to improve suspend/resume user experience. > > > I would like to ask the community: > > What do you want us to work on? > > > The idea is > > * We improve the current stack, not creating new features. > > * Prefer stuffs which could be brought over to gta03 instead of > gta02/om2008 specific. > > * won't work on om2007 stack. > > > So, tell us what you want, then the coding monkeys will start working! > :) > > > Regards, > John > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: suspend quality (was: Re: [FDOM] best kernel to use for new release)
because when the phone suspends you lose calls/sms messages ... BillK On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 17:36 +0100, Marcel wrote: > Why do you all turn off suspend? > I can clearly understand (and I do this also) that autosuspend is a mess if ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web based WIFI authentication
I think links works with ssl ... BillK On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 07:31 +1300, Robin Paulson wrote: > 2008/10/28 Leonti Bielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > A lot of WIFI networks uses web based authentication - network is open, you > > connect to it, but in order to actually use internet you have to provide > > some login and password. > > How do you deal with that? > > I have a problem with all browsers: > > Minimo - it loads login page allright, than asks to accept certificate > > (login page is ssl encrypted) and crashes every time. > > Midori - doesn't react at all - like connection is broken (does it work with > > ssl and all this certificate stuff?). > > Dillo - doesn't support ssl at the time. > > > > Does anyone experiense same problem? > > Leonti > > yup, had exactly the same problems, with ssl not being accepted using gmail > > it's not critical, so i'm consigned to waiting till it and a myriad of > other bugs are fixed. frustrating i know > > did you know there's a workaround to get dillo to do ssl? it requires > a re-compile, but doesn't appear too complicated > > or maybe you could give fennec a go? > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: no icons in 2008.testing
Flashing the images for 26/27 and 28 showed icons. Unusable for me though as only the 26th ever registered (rarely, seems to be due to installing the gsm mux by default - none of the distros I tried that uses it works for me) and then the illume theme continually segv's which is a real pain. BillK On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 14:51 +0100, Benedikt Schindler wrote: > hi, > > this ticket (http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2082) said that the > "no icons bug" is fixed since 4 days. > But there isn't an update in the unstable or testing tree. (they are > still "svnr36882". ) > > How long does it need to get into unstable / testing ? > Because the updates in the kernel-git (stable) showing up in the > unstable-feeds 1 day after the patch is send to the git. > > So should i say something if these changes are not showing up after 4 > days in the unstbale tree or is normal and should i be quiet and wait > for it ? :) > > cu > Beni > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [omgps] collect feature requests
On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 23:32 +0200, Laszlo KREKACS wrote: ... > > But, it was reproducible. If the device freezed or I removed the battery, many > tile maps got unreadable. I couldnt even list some directories or cd into > them! > (it rules out heavy CPU load, and not getting enough power) ... > So the problem really comes about the insane 75000 files (118MB). > ... 75000 tiles is not a lot: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ df -h Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/root 252544151096101448 60% / none 6040056 60344 0% /dev shmfs60400 0 60400 0% /dev/shm /dev/mmcblk0p1 94559 76295 13382 85% /media/card /dev/mmcblk0p2 5719599 2107720 3383078 38% /media/p2 volatile 60400 580 59820 1% /var/volatile r...@om-gta02 ~ $ find /media/p2/OSM -name *.png|wc 2207969 2207969 74463452 Yes, thats over 2 million files :) TangoGPS works fine ... Not all SD cards are created equal - many (including mine) require a reduced clock speed and then they are completely stable. I keep running out of inodes - ext3 sucks, even when created using maximum inodes - then fsck really takes forever! I believe reiserfs which is a far better file system in my opinion is available in 2.6.29 SHR (I am stuck on 2.6.28 as 2.6.29 gsm doesnt work for me.) - stabler and doesnt have inode limits. Try creating an init.d script to run at boot: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ cat /etc/init.d/sd_clk #!/bin/sh echo 1000 > /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_max_clk r...@om-gta02 ~ $ and make sure its mounted async BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [omgps] collect feature requests
On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 07:13 +0200, Laszlo KREKACS wrote: > On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 6:12 AM, W.Kenworthy wrote: > > Yes, thats over 2 million files :) > > TangoGPS works fine ... > > > > Are you brave enough, that when you use tangogps for lets say a half an hour, > you remove the battery from your phone? (without any power connection). > > Please report how much time it takes the fsck to finish (after that). > > Cant be just me. It happened with the default 512MB card too, > which comes with the phone. > > Im not saying that we should create only one big archive file. Im saying > that we should create archive files with 512-1024 kB size. > So be reasonable filesizes. > It optimize filesystem usage too, reduce fsck. > > I can see only positive effects here. I dont see the > "carrying all eggs in one basket". > Positive effects: > - reduced fsck time > - far less inode uses, that means we can even use vfat for it > - much less copying time (when you copy to the phone), > I hope several order of magnitude less > - 512-1024kB filesize shouldnt be a big deal of memory usage > > Im more than happy to gather a bit attention here. > > Thank you for your time. > > Laszlo 1/2 an hour is no problem (often use GPS daily on the way to work - coz I can :) - longest drive was ~5 hours, which needed power at about the 3.5 hour mark - was 6 months ago and it should go longer now. fsck does take an hour or so, but i only do it once a month as programmed maintenance - rarely finds an error UNLESS there has been a nasty crash which is rather rare these days (shr-unstable, built by myself). Yes it sometimes used to happen that I get a call or SMS when using tangogps and have had crashes so need to take the battery out to reset - almost always no errors (using ext3, for at least the past two months). If you are worried about fsck speed, put the SD card in a usb key and use a desktop/laptop to fsck it - much faster. Try reducing the clock speed as I suggested - thats the most likely cause of your problems. Your symptoms sound very like what happens to me (on any SD card) when running with the standard clock speed. While the speed drop is ~1/3, its unnoticeable in my usage pattern. Also make sure that the card is mounted async - sync is dismally slow and any gain in stability is lost because transfers are exposed as they take much longer to complete. Swap will also add a degree of reliability in normal use, but if using a lot of swap, the phone can slow down dramaticly as thrashing starts - manually flushing swap gets things back on an even keel. There are some "tar" based compressed file systems out there (when tested, ~3.3gbytes of png's will compress down to ~550Mbytes as tar.bz2, but you need a lot of cpu cycles to extract) and they are not reliable at all. the problem is that OSM maps are either png (lots of small files) or vector based which adds a real and critical processing load as seen by navit. I actually symlink similar files (many are just ocean/desert - South Western Australia) and symlinks less than a certain size get stored in the inodes (fast symlinks) so dont take any disk space - the problem then becomes that ext3 has an upper limit to inodes :( In short, you are barking up the wrong tree if you think that large numbers of files are causing your problem. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-unstable] The date in Dates is incorrect
On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 15:05 -0400, Adam Jimerson wrote: > On Wednesday 08 July 2009 01:50:04 am jeremy jozwik wrote: > > its no minor bug. in the PST8PDT timezone the day would get switched > > after 6 pm. which is completely unhelpful. i put an email on the > > pimlico mailing list and have no response in over 2 months. have since > > switched to gpe-calendar > > > I have tried gpe-calendar have found a major issue with it usability wise for > me it is slow and unresponsive, also between it and ffalrams I think it > messed > up the ata deamon so now I have to do a weird work around for ffalarms to > both > schedule and alarm and to have it go off: > Immediately after booting, restart atd and everything works fine. "/etc/init.d/atd restart" Seems it starts too early in the boot process. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Screen in FR goes black and white after resume from suspend
On Sun, 2009-08-09 at 19:21 +0200, Jens Seidel wrote: > On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 01:43:31PM +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: > > tb writes: > > > Or use uboot and not qi > > > > If there's a real problem to debug please do not suggest to hide it > > with various work-arounds! Do you know any system-level dev who's > > interested in supporting u-boot? Qi is supported and the latest kernel > > is supported. > > I think I was affected as well by the white screen after suspend. The first > time since months as I disabled suspend in my Debian installation but not in > my new SHR installation. > > shr-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090721-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 > uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119838+2d158aae9d8d36f575504f59884ed8e80802efe2-r3.5-om-gta02.bin > > I use uboot and no qi! > > It did not happened again until now ... > > Jens I am using shr-u with an older 2.8.28 kernel - never had a wsod until I changed to Qi. It also seems tied to the amount of text printed to the screen via klogd - its noticably more common if you have an almost blank screen on resume - hardly ever happens if a lot of text is present Race condition ??? u-boot never wsods for me, but then Qi will always be able to boot up with a working GSM. u-boot will often need poking to get serial talking. And with the latest 2.6.29, GSM serial has never worked with either. Seems to me that both uboot and Qi are missing the initialisation of something important on startup. And with resume, is Qi or u-boot involved at all? BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Screen in FR goes black and white after resume from suspend
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 11:17 +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: > "W.Kenworthy" writes: > > Seems to me that both uboot and Qi are missing the initialisation of > > something important on startup. And with resume, is Qi or u-boot > > involved at all? > > Qi doesn't touch jbt at all. On boot it does initialize glamo to be > able to access uSD but iirc it does nothing of the sort on resume, > basically just jumps to the resume location in kernel. > > And btw to me it looks like your GSM serial problems are hardware > related. It doesn't seem like anybody has anything like that. Probably > some flow control line is defective or some stuff. > Or perhaps the GSM clock is off - the GSM chip internal timekeeping is terrible, none the less, certain combinations work reliably, others dont. But if both Qi and uboot dont come into play on resume, its something else that has crept in lately (~1 month) as I have never seen this before on this phone, and at least a few others are seeing it. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] first impressions
On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 19:12 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 07:39:02PM +0200, arne anka wrote: > > > Then where do you have any "OK" button? > > > > ok, it's called "quit". > > And it's utterly useless, in fact I'm thinking of writing up a > few small-screen usability recommendations for our friendly apps. > > One of them is: don't use "quit/close/..." buttons, they waste valuable > eral estate and you can close the windown easily in an alternative way > (panel, click on close). > > Rui Hooray - sense at last. Coming up with a user oriented interface, not a programmers idea of what he personally likes will be a great step forward. I like close buttons, but consistency is more important I think. And please, please get rid of those dumb sliders used where radio buttons are used :) BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 1024#
On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 11:36 +0200, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote: > David Garabana Barro a écrit : > > On Wednesday 07 October 2009 10:57:02 Christ van Willegen wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Ivan Shirokov > >> > > wrote: > > > >>> I've been wondering if all the freerunners are affected by bug #1024? > >>> > > > > No, not all FR are affected, AFAIK > > > > > >> I've been wondering the same thing... > >> > >> It would seem that the extra current draw in suspend would affect all > >> FRs, so having a #1024 fix-party would be a good idea in any case (?). > >> > > > > #1024 is not causing extra current drain, but the software solution to this > > bug: > > Not allowing Calypso entering deep sleep mode. > > > > You can check if your FR is suffering from #1024 editting > > /etc/frameworkd.conf > > and changing > > > > ti_calypso_deep_sleep = never > > > > to > > > > ti_calypso_deep_sleep = always > > > > then restarting framework: > > > > /etc/init.d/frameworkd restart > > > > After doing so, if your FR suffers from this bug, your modem will > > continuously > > register/unregister from GSM network when suspended, and you will lose calls > > ... On my A5 I find "never" gives noticeably poorer battery life, and often wakes from suspend at random times. The phone also seems a lot less rteliable with reboots need to get a working system again. BillK more crashes than normal (things not working/stop working) and o ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tips when GSM doesn't work
On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 20:58 -0500, Cristian Gómez wrote: > Hi guys, I've post this question on the IRC channel andunfortunately I > face that the IRC is abbandoned, only KenYoung answered (Thanks for > being there). I think that IRC makes our lifes more easier. PLEASE > DON'T LET IT DIE! > > After this request, this is my question: > IRC actually quite active - keep in mind most of the IRC population seems to keep european day time and is quiet about now. > I'm using my FR (with SHR - last) as main phone. I experienced > sometimes that when I start SHR, GSM functions doesn't start > I don't know how can I check any log or how can I start manually GSM > services, I type /etc/init.d/frameworkd restart, but I don't know if > it's supossed to solve this issue. Can you give me some advices to > take in count when I have this problem? What distro? - I find this happens to me a lot - so much so that I have a desktop icon named "Reset" :) Write a script that stops the xserver, and various fso services, kill -9 any remnants such as battget and then restart the xserver which will start the services again. For shr-u, GSM is handled by fso-abyss and frameworkd so make sure they are dead after stopping the service before restarting the xserver. If its properly hung, you will find that things wont shut down cleanly so the kill is often necessary - which would explain why frameworkd on its own didnt work. May take a few goes before it sorts itself out. Occasionally it will be so fu-barred that you will need to remove the battery for 30 seconds to get it to work again. BillK > What I'm doing was: > it happens to me few hours ago, I was renaming icons of the desktop so > I can have them in the order I want > when I was editing pidgin.desktop I save the file (I was connected via > SSH) and got an error message that give me two choices: Restart - Stop > I press Stop and it goes to the terminal and hangs on a message: > restarting xserver > so I power down by removing the battery (I know, the ugly way) and > wait a few seconds to put it back again. When I power on the FR again, > when SHR starts, I don't have GSM services > I let the FR without any intervention a few minutes and it never get > GSM active, I tried restarting frameworkd and it doesn't do anything > > / > * Don't Worry...Be Linux > * Cristian Gómez Alvarez > * Ingeniero en Sistemas y Computación > * Universidad de Caldas > * Comunidad de Software Libre Manizales > * IEEE/WIE Student Member > * Linux User #463617 > * Mi Blog: http://cristianpark.sehablalinux.com > / > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
