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Hi,
I've tried many times over many years to do this, and I've never managed
to do so to my satisfaction. I did once (years ago) find a non-free (as
in closed source _and_ cost $20) Sid to midi converter, but I never
bought it and haven't been able
the claim, if true,
will never see the light of pixels, and if false, is self refuting.
That's my rhetorical observation for the day.
Dale Maggee wrote:
Shawn Rutledge wrote:
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net
wrote:
Generally when I hear
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Shawn Rutledge wrote:
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net wrote:
Generally when I hear the word nazi used, it means totalitarian, not
monster or mass murderer - think of the soup nazi in Seinfeld.
That's what I
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For the Conspiracy Theorists out there: Steve and I are discussing this
off-list.
For everybody else: This list will now be free of my vitriol while Steve
and I talk. Enjoy.
Steve Mosher wrote:
Dale Maggee wrote:
Hi Steve,
I appreciate your
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arne anka wrote:
Guten Tag, Sieg Heil.
...
beautiful and intelligent people in the world, and your country reflects
that... :) )
wow.
insulting and slimy at once!
I'd just like to say thanks for addressing the points I make in such a
calm
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arne anka wrote:
Bitter much? : )
nope. he's just a troll.
Before I bought My Neo, I was told by OM that it would work as a phone.
dale, you told us all of this already -- at least ten times.
Sources? I don't think it has been ten. and I've
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Thank you very much for a rational contribution to this thread, Franky.
Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 10:44 AM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote:
Bitter much? : )
nope. he's just a troll.
Before I bought My Neo, I was
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arne anka wrote:
so, how is a globally true statement of fit to be used as ...
possible?
it might be true for _you_, but it isn't for _me_ -- so please, always be
aware that those statemants express only _your_ point of view, not an
objective
EMAIL THREAD---
Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: FreeRunner]]
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:19:34 +1100
From: Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net
To: cont...@openmoko.com, s...@openmoko.com, st...@openmoko.com
Having received absolutely no response whatsoever after more than a
week, even after opening a refund
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Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 03:34:40PM +0200, Marcel wrote:
I'm sorry to contradict you (am I really?), but using Nazi slogans in such
I call for the rule of Godwin's Law!
Rui
I had never heard of Godwin's Law
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Marcel wrote:
Am Freitag, 8. Mai 2009 14:43:16 schrieb Dale Maggee:
arne anka wrote:
Guten Tag, Sieg Heil.
...
beautiful and intelligent people in the world, and your country
reflects that... :) )
wow.
insulting and slimy at once!
I'd just
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Get your facts straight...
he doesn't use an fr
No, I don't use one, but I own one. That's the whole problem: I had to
buy another phone, just to have a phone.
and he does in no way contribute
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoTool
-- what do
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Christoph Pulster wrote:
IMO most misunderstandings happen because marketing of the Freerunner
was focused on mobile phone. So customers expect a mobile phone to use
as a mobile phone. However Freerunner is a multi-purpose developement
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arne anka wrote:
Bitter much? : )
nope. he's just a troll.
Before I bought My Neo, I was told by OM that it would work as a phone.
Once I got it and said WTF This doesn't work as a phone! I was told by
OM that 2008.8 would. So I waited.
It
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net wrote:
arne anka wrote:
Bitter much? : )
nope. he's just a troll.
Before I bought My Neo, I was told by OM that it would work as a phone.
Once I got it and said WTF This doesn't work as a phone! I was told by
OM that 2008.8
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...An OM Device which doesn't comply with EMI Standards? :O
hands up if you're suprised.
hands go behind back
Sam Kuper wrote:
2009/5/5 Marcel tan...@googlemail.com
Am Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 18:38:42 schrieb Mile Davidovic:
Yesterday I
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Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
The community work seems to be slowing down now (because of the
summer?)
My guess would be that a whole lot of people have realised that their
$400 Neo is better used as a boat anchor, and put them on ebay. or in
the
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Hehe, what gave you that idea? ;)
Yogiz wrote:
Bitter much? : )
On Wed, 06 May 2009 18:09:35 +1000
Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net wrote:
Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
The community work seems to be slowing down now (because of the
summer
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Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
Huh, neotool avoids dfu-util?
less +/dfu-util `which NeoTool`
/j
neotool's *rootfs backup* avoids dfu-util.
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I have a few questions on OpenMoko phones. I am planning to buy one.
1. Which is the default OS that comes in OpenMoko: OM 2007 ?
2007.2
2. Do you use the default OS or have you flashed soe other OS of your own?
Well, 2007.2, despite being the
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Adam Jimerson wrote:
On Thursday 23 April 2009 03:42:52 am Ali wrote:
On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 10:29 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
...
Hmm.. suppose this was not planned to be posted to community mailing
list..?
r
Did you stop to think that
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Hi,
To backup your rootfs with NeoTool:
* Make sure you have a working image on your Neo. By 'Working', I mean
it should boot into the GUI, and networking should work - you should be
able to ssh into your neo. NeoTool is supposed to be pretty much
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I also note that Lorn's been completely silent for the past 24 hours.
I wonder if this is because he's (finally!) realised that he's been
digging a hole for himself, or if it's just because he got pwned once
again... Or perhaps he took my advice
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Franky,
As I said to others, If you don't want to read it, filter out this thread.
Personal insults are completely valid and infact necessary when someone
provokes me by lying to me and/or being an idiot.
Personal attacks are appropriate and
is probably a wise move.
Russell Steicke wrote:
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 04:15:53PM +0900, Russell Steicke wrote:
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* ^From: (Dale Maggee|Lorn Potter)
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Oops...
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* ^From: (Dale Maggee|Lorn Potter)
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roguem...@roguewrt.org wrote:
Dale Maggee wrote:
This discussion *is* actually leading somewhere, though: Lorn is
digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself.
And I'm amazed he hasn't just given up and said something like OK,
you're right
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W.Kenworthy wrote:
Sounds even worse than shr/2008x/FSO then - why oh why cant some of the
time spent on keyboards for any OM version be put into something that
works.
Oh, it's ass-and-a-half-of-full-cream-dairy-milk... ;)
Yeah, I can't fathom
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Lorn Potter wrote:
Sounds even worse than shr/2008x/FSO then - why oh why cant some of the
time spent on keyboards for any OM version be put into something that
works.
Well, obviously that is only his one opinion.
Actually, these are facts.
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Lorn Potter wrote:
Quite actually, I was using the predictive keyboard long before anyone
on this list was, so yes, I have done this. Many times.
Quite actually??? Quite what? work on your english.
So you've done it, many times... awesome... I
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roguem...@roguewrt.org wrote:
Dale Maggee wrote:
_insert previous email here_
With optimism, I have to say qte is rather polished and shows what
potential can be gleamed from the FR in certain areas.
Optimism aside, I have to agree with Dale
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Dale Maggee wrote:
(Alot, handing Lorn his ass on a silver platter, with dill leaves for
garnish and Lorn's choice of Chips with salad or vegetables on the side,
Pwning him back to whatever hole he crawled from after 3 months of
complete silence
of qtextended, and give credit where credit is due ...
Franky
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.netwrote:
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Lorn Potter wrote:
Quite actually, I was using the predictive keyboard long before anyone
on this list
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Radek,
I'm just going to address this in quick dot points:
you must have a problem not related to Qt Extended at all.
My issue *is* with QT Extended. You suggesting that it is otherwise
indicates that you haven't read my emails properly /
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How can we when you just rant on and on and on?
It's easy: What you do is read the emails, and then address the concerns
I raised. Things you shouldn't do include: Contradicting yourself,
telling me about the virtues of features that don't work,
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Sarton,
A *big* Thank You to you for actually bothering to take the time to
read my emails in their entirety!
I too don't understand why some devs aren't willing to take a completely
presented and well constructed criticism, and admit that more
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Lorn Potter wrote:
Nah, I'm not concerned with symantics, I'm all about software
development. If it appears that in every single email I've sent this
afternoon, I have dealt entirely with grammar, spelling, and choice of
words, you're actually
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Aah, the fun continues...
because just perhaps I have an insight in how one is supposed to
actually be using it.
I think it's pretty clear at this point that the word insight is
completely foreign to you.
Wow, I have to give you credit - you
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Johny Tenfinger wrote:
I don't know what would you say, if I'll tell you that I'm programming
on FreeRunner using qwerty keyboard and only with finger (for instance
in train - PM module in shr-settings is from train and was written
only with
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Johny Tenfinger wrote:
FSO has had PIM (opimd) since milestone5 (but disabled by default).
SHR will use it in nearly future.
O RLY?!?
:D
Awesome! So there's progress being made on that front at least, that's
great to hear! SHR is sounding more
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Johny Tenfinger wrote:
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 15:06, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net wrote:
Is this in SHR? If so, maybe it's worth trying out.
Yes, it's standard Illume keyboard. SHR is using that ;)
aah, excellent - that keyboard works
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Lorn Potter wrote:
Dale Maggee wrote:
Aah, the fun continues...
[snip utter nonsense]
Utter nonsense, again, including questions which you persist in
ignoring, and discussion of the issues with your shit software which you
categorically refuse
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Lorn Potter wrote:
[snip utter nonsense]
and you have just demonstrated your maturity level. Go home, your
parents want to wash your mouth out with soap.
Haha, says he who repeatedly and persistently refuses to discuss the
issues! Wow, now you
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I'd suggest you filter out this conversation if you're not interested.
This discussion *is* actually leading somewhere, though: Lorn is
digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself.
wim.delv...@adaptiveplanet.com wrote:
Dale, lorn ... please, go
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Lorn Potter wrote:
I find the 'predictive' keyboard quite usable. You just need to forget
what it is suggesting until you are finished with the word.
But for any language other than English, it might be a hassle.
It isn't too bad, but it's
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Lorn Potter wrote:
Just hold down on the letter you want to select. You will see a round
'spy glass' thing pop up with your letter.
This is all well and good, but it's for all intents and purposes totally
useless in practical application - typing
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Lorn Potter wrote:
You just need to add your words to the dictionary, so you wont have to
tap so much.
...which is exactly why it should be very easy, perhaps even automatic,
to add words to the dictionary...
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Lorn Potter wrote:
Typing numbers are not 'suggested'.
Fine, be fastidious if you must, You know what I meant.
How long did it take you to type your postal address? Now, how long does
it take on your PC?
Oh... you didn't test it? You didn't bother
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W.Kenworthy wrote:
Disable it - find the keyboard files and copy terminal.kbd over the top
of default and numbers. No dictionary, and terminal pops up nicely
instead of those brain dead ones - you wont miss them, I dont.
Thanks for the
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Robin Paulson wrote:
for a simple stable phone, i'd start with qt ext and then give shr a go
For a simple and stable phone, I'd start with a Nokia...
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Joop Boonen wrote:
I've changed a few things in NeoTool.
Thanks for your contributions!
Please note however that I am working (*very* slowly!) on NeoTool v1.3,
and these changes may or may not appear in the new version. I am however
quite willing
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john dowd wrote:
I've alway been able to backup the kernel partition of my Neo FR but
not the jffs2 partition. Here's the error that is reported:
Opening USB Device 0x:0x...
Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=4, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6,
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I've done a fair bit of searching lately and I've not found anything. If
you find something, please let me know!
I also get it with incoming phone calls (not all the time, but often)
Lorn from Trolltech said recently that we can expect a new version
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Bastian Muck wrote:
Dale Maggee schrieb:
[..]
2. The Messaging app - it's doing strange things, like sometimes it
creates duplicates of messages, so I'll see 2 or 3 copies of the same
SMS in my inbox. So I'll move all messages to trash
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Bastian Muck wrote:
Dale Maggee schrieb:
Bastian Muck wrote:
Dale Maggee schrieb:
[..]
2. The Messaging app - it's doing strange things, like sometimes it
creates duplicates of messages, so I'll see 2 or 3 copies of the same
SMS
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Hi,
I'm having a couple of problems with QT Extended (the fixed version from
http://other.lastnetwork.net/OpenMoko/):
1. The predictive keyboard. I deleted the dictionary file as suggested
elsewhere to disable the predictive keyboard, but it still
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rakshat hooja wrote:
ponoko.com would do it for you, or emachineshop.com
if you get some pricing, could you let us know -- even your desgin?
i am still pondering the idea of a new casing ...
Thanks. will update when I get pricing. My design is
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Lorn Potter wrote:
Dale Maggee wrote:
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Hi,
I'm having a couple of problems with QT Extended (the fixed version from
http://other.lastnetwork.net/OpenMoko/):
1. The predictive keyboard. I deleted
Just out of curiosity, how many OpenMoko users out there would be
willing to pay for bounties? Additionally, how many developers would
work for bounties? What sort of bounties would you guys request? How
much would you pay?
I would certainly pay bounties.
The only problem I see really
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
Rui Castro wrote:
I downloaded the code from http://git.koolu.org/ and tried to make the
generic image, simply executing make, but it fails with the following
error
--
make: *** No rule to make target
`out/host/linux-x86/framework/swt.jar',
David Pottage wrote:
On Thu, November 27, 2008 7:06 am, Denis Johnson wrote:
... Preferably using something like http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ (if
someone knows a Linux equivalent please chime in)
The linux equivalent is cdparanoia. Like EAC it will produce bit
perfect rips of
Denis Johnson wrote:
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* It's my Hard drive that doesn't support FLAC! If I used flac, my music
library (I guess mp3 collection will soon become a misnomer!) would be
*enormous*! Yes, I realise it's lossless etc etc
Evgeny Karyakin wrote:
I think this movement will apply on newly-legalizing patents only, it
will be too much counterforce against it. Patents is vital for
software giants, it's just a basis of their market activity and
relevancy.
As of recent MP3 issue, open-source community can definitely
drac2000 wrote:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes :-p
Just for the record, these were contributed by various people here:
http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg33921.html
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Openmoko
The Best SID ever is the theme from R-Type, IMHO. It also makes a
fantastic ringtone. The only problem with having this as a ringtone is
that you tend not to answer the phone because you're boogie-ing along to
the awesome ringtone.
Other notable Sids include music from:
- IK+ (International
hehehe, it's good to see OM people having a sense of humour as well! :)
Steve Mosher wrote:
they don't already?
please issue a ticket. we'll fix the bug.
George Brooke wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:01:47 +1100
Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tig wrote:
Ok I
Warren Baird wrote:
OM2008.9 and FSO walk into a bar. How are you? How are you? asks FSO.
Buzzz says OM2008.9
LOL!
(for once, usage of that horrible acronym is actually appropriate - I
really did laugh out loud!)
this is my new splash screen... :D
moko_bar.gz
Description: GNU
Maybe these should appear on the splash screen of the Neos
solar.george
Brilliant!
1. Save either attachment somewhere
2. Use NeoTool or 'dfu-util -a splash -R -D filename' to flash the new
splash to your neo
3. power down then turn on your neo
4. Laugh.
:D
-Dale
moko_brick.gz
Tig wrote:
Ok I will bite :)
Q: Why did OM cross the road?
A: To get to another toolkit :)
Q: How many OM devs does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: Well first we need to abandon the old lightbulb holder because at a later
date we may not be able to plug a floodlight in, bring in a
Hi,
Are you using the latest version of NeoTool? v1.1 and up should be able
to detect and handle this situation by presenting you with a screen
asking you which dfu-capable device you want to flash.
If you are using the latest version, please run 'dfu-util -l' and post
the output here.
Mikko Ohtamaa wrote:
Symptoms dfu-util/Neotool fails to flash Openmoko when using wiki.openmoko.org
instructions:
sudo ./dfu-util.1 -a rootfs -R -D
Fat_and_Dirty_OM.200809_20081023.rootfs.jffs2
dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc.
This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO
Thanks for Neotool!
You're welcome! :)
Found a typo: Neotool Configurification (instead of Configuration)
And menu item 'setup neotool' takes to 'neotool configuration', a
consistency in the names would make it easier to use.
Are you sure that it's inconsistent? I just had a look and
Hi,
Does anyone know a way to determine which distro I have on my freerunner
from the command line? I'm looking into adding the ability for NeoTool
to import and export contacts, but to do that I'd need a way to
determine whether the user has 2007.2, Qtopia, 2008.x, or FSO installed.
I was
Tim Churchard wrote:
Dale Maggee wrote:
Hi,
Does anyone know a way to determine which distro I have on my freerunner
from the command line? I'm looking into adding the ability for NeoTool
to import and export contacts, but to do that I'd need a way to
determine whether the user has
Charles Pax wrote:
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Does anyone know a way to determine which distro I have on my freerunner
from the command line? I'm looking into adding the ability for NeoTool
to import and export contacts, but to do that I'd need
All,
Just a quick note to announce a new version of NeoTool.
Life has interfered with my ability to work on this lately, so there are
only a couple of smallish changes:
- Changed information at pre-flash prompt to include instructions for
how to get to the NOR menu.
eliminated any mention
Wow, cool! Does this mean that there's now a debian package?
I just saw your other message about this, does this mean that the issues
you were having are solved?
Great stuff.
It would be great if you could update the NeoTool wiki page with
instructions on installing on debian / ubuntu. I
Jelle De Loecker wrote:
Dale Maggee schreef:
Jelle De Loecker wrote:
I wonder if most people's need for a physical keyboard is a
consequence of the GTA02's small screen. (Well, it's too small to
use as a screen AND a keyboard at the same time, I think)
Just make the screen big enough
Jelle De Loecker wrote:
I wonder if most people's need for a physical keyboard is a
consequence of the GTA02's small screen. (Well, it's too small to use
as a screen AND a keyboard at the same time, I think)
Just make the screen big enough to use the virtual keyboard easily, I
think the
definitely 3) qwerty + touchscreen
This shouldn't be too hard to do, I don't think it's too much to ask of
OM - surely the keyboard could be a built-in USB keyboard, which would
mean that all the software etc is already there. All we'd need is a way
to disable the on-screen keyboard, something
on 2007.2:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File ./fingerkeyboard.py, line 62, in module
import etk
ImportError: No module named etk
:(
I also like the Idea, though, but some thoughts:
- The fullscreen keyboard should also have a 'paste' button, so that
when you select the field (i.e:
John,
Thank you very much, it's reassuring to hear these updates and to know
that you guys are indeed working on it. I think that you'll make alot of
people very happy if you keep updates like this coming!
Don't let a couple of negative opinions worry you. Personally I've had
times when I've
the same usage/behavior as Dale Maggee wrote.
I also hope that 2007.2 can be improved and maintained until there is a
really stable distro.
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
I'm still using 2007.2, because in my experience it does have the most
solid phone
I'm still using 2007.2, because in my experience it does have the most
solid phone/sms functionality.
It's far from perfect, though:
- Suspend / resume is a dog, and since it's not being worked on any more
I'm doubtful that this will ever be fixed. I have suspend and resume
turned off, and use
as others have said, thanks alot for your work with these updates Minh!
Great stuff!
Minh Ha Duong wrote:
Hello everybody,
welcome to the unofficial Openmoko Community newsletter, October 4th to 19th
issue. The two big news are the launch of opkg.org, an application directory,
and
arne anka wrote:
==Pim device==
imho that's exactly the kind of task openmoko did _not_ ask for.
I would respectfully disagree - Openmoko asked about Improving user
experience, and users are saying they want to experience PIM capabilities.
there are a lot of posts lately
Hello, boys and girls,
This is your old pal Stinky Wizzleteats
This is a song about a whale,
No! This is a song about being happy!
That's right! It's the Happy Happy Joy Joy song!
Happy Happy Joy Joy
Happy Happy Joy Joy
Happy Happy Joy Joy
Happy Happy Joy Joy
Happy Happy Joy Joy
Happy Happy Joy
My 1/50th of a dollar...
A lot of people have made some really good points and suggestions here.
Here's what I'd like to see personally, in order of priority, with
absolutely no consideration given to feasability or difficulty what I
want ;) :
1. rock-solid phone / sms functionality, with
Kelvie Wong wrote:
I was just wondering, is there a way to flash the kernel live (i.e. with the
software still running)? Is the boot partition (it's on the NAND Flash
somewhere) something I can just mount and override a file? Or do I have to
use dd? Or is there some trickery I can do
Christian Adams wrote:
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moinmoin,
did anyone manage to get the usb-gadget g_file_storage to work properly?
for me it's no problem to do:
ifconfig usb0 down
rmmod cdc-ether
rmmod g_ether
modprobe g_file_storage file=...
but what - at least
Mikko Rauhala wrote:
Personally I'll be loathe to buy Nokia products anyway, they're just way
too inconsistent with their policies and have no commitment to free
software whatsoever. But, if something good comes out of them, that's,
well, good.
Open source or not, you've gotta admit Nokia
I've been hard at work again, and a new version my utility is now
available...
I've renamed it (again) to NeoTool.
Download it from [1]
I've also created a wiki page for it at [2], and linked to it from the
Flash and Backup wiki pages.
Major new features include:
- Support for multiple
Minh Ha Duong wrote:
Hi all,
We all love Community Updates, but that's a huge endeavour for one person to
tackle. So let us try a little social experiment here: community written
community update. I just posted an outlined list of bullet points at:
Daniel Hedblom wrote:
Looks really nice and seems friendly enough for the beginners. Its
amazing what one can do with bash =)
//danielh
Thanks! :)
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Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote:
Dale,
This is some great work! Thank you for letting me work with you on
this to support multiple devices.
-Shawn
Thanks! And thanks for your help and suggestion!
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dale Maggee wrote:
[1] http://users.on.net/~antisol/neotool
[2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoTool
Oh ... you're antisol :)
I'm roguetr, nice to see you friend ;)
hehe
Sarton
I am indeed
Vinc Duran wrote:
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL
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wrote:
u-boot is effectively your bios and therefore fwiu facilitates power
management and the like.
Certain features will benefit like suspend and booting from ext3.
I'dd
Bill,
I'm on the Aussie Vodafone network, using an old sim card I've had for
*many* years (it's red and labelled sim^2 [i.e sim squared]), and FSO3
works fine for me, although sometimes it takes a little while to prompt
for my PIN. as for ASU I can't be sure - the last time I tested it it
Iain B. Findleton wrote:
Aborts with some message about not being able to convert the png CREATOR
field to an ISO charset.
Anybody know the solution to this one?
google is your friend
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Iain B. Findleton wrote:
Hardly. Its the screen shot application on the GTA-02 that fails with
this message. I know what the png field actually is. My question is
whether there is a fix or configuration requirement for my FreeRunner.
yes there is, and if you type the error message into
Hi,
as per the 'DFUScript' thread, I've made a change to my flashing /
backup utility to enable support for more than one attached DFU-capable
device, but I'm interested to know what happens if you have more than
one of the same device attached and booted into NAND/NOR.
So, if you have more
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