Which would give new meaning to the term killer feature and I would be
first in line to buy one (after I passed the screening process).
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Agreed...one of my favorites.
http://xkcd.com/325/
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My Nokia N95 works fairly well. They don't do too much with it, mainly
just adjust the backlighting to conserve a little more battery.
To agree with Mickey, just because the hardware can do something (that
may seem cool at the time) doesn't mean that it should be done. But on
the flip side, not
Awesome update both in progress and content! I realize that you are
right in the middle of the crossfire and probably get a lot of flack for
things that are mostly out of your control.
I put in one email yesterday why I think people get frustrated with the
lack of hardware updates. Its because
This isn't another negative post about the delays, I promise.
I have loosely followed this project since somewhere around the middle
of last year. There were delays, they didn't tell/inform us. It was
very frustrating because I was in a situation like yours...I really
needed a new phone and I
Just throwing my $.02 out there, but your first paragraph is exactly the
type of paragraph that I personally feel is what the community is
wanting/expecting from Michael in his community updates. Furthermore,
*if* they do find a showstopper bug, knowing that too would be nice as
well.
I honestly
Depending on the level of complexity, this could be *great* news for me.
I don't travel internationally that often (currently, but the frequency
could always up in the future) so having quad-band is borderline nice
and necessity.
But if I could make changes (before/after trips) to switch the
I was wondering why people we using static routes. I have my own dhcp
server, so if I want static routes, then I just put the configuration
into the dhcp server (based on MAC address). It lets you only have to
configure one thing and everyone get the same information.
Whether or not a dhcp
Just came across this discussion
http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/e8efe3d7e9927851/04302351954cbc6f#04302351954cbc6f
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First, thanks to Michael for giving the update. It is never good to
have to be the bearer of bad news.
However, this is huge! My probability of purchasing just dropped from
95% to about ~5%. I'm getting ready to move and not knowing what my
coverage will be like in those areas is definitely a
That does look pretty impressive especially considering that hardware
acceleration isn't implemented.
But now my question is how does e17, OKL4, raster, etc. all fit into the
overall OpenMoko equation?
-Jonathon
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Two separate quotes from the main website
However, some Tablet PCs or PDAs may not have a pen button or any other
convenient way to right-click. The alternative gesture to bring up the
context menu is the hold-click. Press with the pen without moving for
one second and the context menu will show
I'll admit I was one who grumbled in the past. My complaint was that
there was good flow of information when things were on track (which was
appreciated), but as soon as things slipped it was complete and utter
silence (hence most of the angry emails, not the actual slippage).
That said, posts
: Evolution - Message Filters
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:48:32 -0500
Just select one of the mailing list messages, right click select Create
filter from Mailing list in the pop up menu. :)
On Tue, 2007-10-23 at 09:56 -0500, Jonathon Suggs wrote:
Sorry to send this to the whole list, but I figured
Sorry to send this to the whole list, but I figured at least one person
out there is using Evolution. I just (well, still in the progress)
migrated my work desktop from XP to Ubuntu. I was using Thunderbird for
reading this list and had no problems having it move all OM related
email to specific
Rodolphe Ortalo wrote:
Hmmm. Does it mean that (all real programmers use vi and all real
programmers use perl) or that (a programmer using vi is real and a
programmer using perl is real) or that (a programmer not using vi or not
using perl is virtual)?
Am I ok wrt to speculations at least? (To
Rodolphe Ortalo wrote:
Yes, that's pointless. Let's get back to more productive debates, like
the respective merits of using emacs or vi for $your_favorite_task_here,
or even maybe python or perl as a default scripting language for the
Neo.
Ok. Only real programmers use vi. Only real
I'll just be honest and say that I am just too lazy to search the tubes
for the answer, so here goes.
From the bluetooth perspective, are many/any of the profiles dependent
upon hardware or can just about any hardware module implement the
profiles via software? I thought that Bluetooth 2.0
Brad Midgley wrote:
Johathon
Yes it is a bluetooth 2.0+extended data rate adapter (strangely there
are a few bt2.0 devices without edr)
The available profiles are determined by the software stack.
Brad
Thanks for the response, but if it had not included edr, then would
there be profiles that
Tim Newsom wrote:
I guess my only comment is that while I don't really care which
interface people use on their phones, it seems like the data
interfaces should be the same... If I open up qtopia phone edition and
look at my contacts or maybe even edit them and then close it down and
open up
--- wrote:
I had made some updates on my idea to a new text input method:
http://www.inf.ufsc.br/~guy/text_input.html
an append: when the user press the key it could expand (about 40%) that key
and contract the others. With that, the user probably will see all chars
that he can access by that
Lars Hallberg wrote:
You mean 8 drag directions + just press+relese... 9 functions per key.
Might work. Guess testing on the device is how to find out. But 6x5
keyboard with 8 drag directions give:
6 9 9 9 9 6
6 9 9 9 9 6
4 6 6 6 6 4
A total of 128 'keys'... Good *if* it works :-)
As someone
Ben Burdette wrote:
I'd have to say that for the casual or occasional user, there are
significant advantages to a web forum. For me, monitoring an active
email list like openmoko in my email client is a fairly sizable
undertaking - there are many emails per day to look through. I take
time
Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote:
Hi! I want to ask phase0 developers: what is the format of gllin
output data? I am trying to convert it to google earth using gpsbabel
but I have no clue what i could be. Most possible guess is NMEA but
the error for my location is about half of the world ;))) so I
Does anyone have a good recommendation for a Bluetooth module/adapter
for the desktop ? Features: Bluetooth 2.0, good support under Ubuntu,
and also provide most all of the Bluetooth profiles.
I don't mind a dongle, but would think that having an internal card
would be less likely to get
Kyle Bassett wrote:
Hello Everyone,
forums.makeopensource.com is online and running.
For those of you who are unable to use the forums on a consistent basis, I
am actively searching for a solution for integrating the mailing lists,
NNTP, and forums; as one community.
I am setting up a second
Ted Lemon wrote:
Quite frankly I am completely, totally,
overwhelmingly baffled at the resistance to the forums. Quite a few
people have expressed their dislikes of mailing lists and how they were
*very* reluctant (like myself) to join.
Worrying about your email address being exposed
Andreas Kostyrka wrote:
To put it differently, there is at least one Linux based gadget that I
use, that I'd probably put some time into it (it's my sat receiver ;) ),
where I don't participate, because the community organizes around a
forum. Well, end effect the community is very static and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not arrogance or snobbery -- different view of reality.
At this point, openmoko *is* a development project. It's emphatically not
for Joe and Jane -- it says so on the web site, where you order your phone.
There are disclaimers all over the place. It's not even for
Mathew Davis wrote:
Sorry for writing so much but I really feel strongly that a forum will
only
be a positive thing. The more information we can get out to general
users
and the more help we can offer them the better. I personally thing the
forums and the mailing list will be two seperate
Andy Powell wrote:
On Thursday 19 July 2007 23:39, Steven ** wrote:
Is that searchable? Is it threaded? Will there be someone on 24/7 that is
knowledgable and helpful?
I understand that some people love IRC and mailing lists. But users expect
to search and ask questions in a forum, not
Andy Powell wrote:
On Friday 20 July 2007 17:35, Jonathon Suggs wrote:
IRC and mailing lists have their uses, but so do forums. I honestly
don't understand the resistance to the idea of a forum. Other than
people being so closed minded and elitist that they can't understand how
people
Jonathon Suggs wrote:
IRC is great for technical people to ask quick little questions
without spamming the list. However, IRC is not an option for those
less-technical. Basically, if they can't get the information they are
looking for using their browser and ONLY their browser
Jeff Rush wrote:
1. Our community is small -- spreading the discussions thinly before we have
reached critical mass will dilute the synergy. We are just now starting to
come together as a community, and I think we even have too many mailing lists
as it is (not always clear on which one to
Giles Jones wrote:
If you minimise the time using the stylus then you eliminate a huge
section of the public who don't want to use a stylus (yes I know the
Nintendo DS has one and has sold 40 million ;)). I would say the main
reason for using the stylus is drawing lines.
Using fingers to
?
On 6/15/07, Thomas Gstädtner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Some (pretty good) news:
http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/06/15/#20070615-gta01-factory-trip
2007/6/15, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Thursday 14 June 2007 23:45:29 Jonathon Suggs wrote:
Well as far as we know
Well as far as we know (no *official* word) the models (GTA-01) that you
have actually are vaporware as far as we are concerned since they are
not going to be mass producing them in favor of rolling out the GTA-02's.
Ole Tange wrote:
I understand your concern. I have at the moment 2 Neo1973
First, the mailing list is to be used for ideas and communication. You
are absolutely correct that FIC will have to make the final decisions
about what is and isn't included. However, suggesting that people
shouldn't be expressing their interests about features no matter how
Well since this was supposed to be available back in March, there was no
immediate need. Now the pressure (for me) is starting to build. So it
is more of a question of I've been waiting for ~3 months now and there
is still no idea of when it is going to actually become available.
Yes, I
I understand being careful with what you say, but even something like
We've built X devices with a defect ratio of Y. We want that ration to
be Z before we push the production line full steam ahead would be
promising. That is unless X=0 Y=100 and Z is anything greater than
zero, THEN we'd be
You asked for it and you got it...
Here is a link to a frontpage slashdot article.
http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/06/1327238
It links directly to this page
http://www.hothardware.com/image_popup.aspx?image=big_fic2.jpgarticleid=979t=a
Just thought that I would share.
Again, please only respond to my Clarification email if you have
something FACTUAL. This is my rant email, so if you are just anxious
like me then respond to this.
I've been following the project for quite some time now and was
anxiously awaiting being able to purchase the phone in March
I did the same thing. I had played with it in the past using the
browser applet and it really didn't do it much justice. I put it on my
pda and (after some training) and you were inputting common words, then
it wasn't that bad, but still not a super intuitive method for input,
but may be a
Yes, but if I am relying on my device to be able to get from point A to
point B then I would MUCH rather have it be able to give me an accurate
map and directions.
Its almost a chicken and egg problem. TomTom only sells/ports to high
volume platforms. Platforms need TomTom (not
I had mentioned this before, but it didn't get much conversation since
it was deep within a thread. Anyway, since there are no hardware
buttons for input, could we not use the vibrator to give a quick pulse
so that you still have some feedback as to when a button is pressed? It
might go a
Don't know if people saw this or not, but Ubuntu just announced that
they will be working on mobile and embedded distros.
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-May/000289.html
I'm not sure what all their goals are, and how they align with what
OpenMoko is doing, but if
I don't mind about 3.5 or 2.5mm, but we could start a vote. ;-)
Or a flame war 8-)
Carlo
Umm, I don't think we can just vote and have the hardware magically
change. It takes quite a bit of time (and necessary hardware) to change
the design. So unless this is a vote for future
I wonder if there would be an advantage in embedding the server in the
browser or vise versa. Then the whole issue of polling localhost would
be moot.
Alex
Something else to consider (again) is that we are talking about an
embedded device. So the javascript implementation/engine may or may
Tim Newsom wrote:
That seems weird... Even in email you can turn off read receipts... It
seems like an invasion of sort (though a minor one) to not allow
disabling of delivery reports for the receiving party.
If the sending party can enable it and the receivers phone
automatically responds,
Andrew Turner wrote:
For a dynamic scripting language that would be best served to consume
web resources and already tie into a big development community there
are two primary choices: Python and Ruby.
Python has had incredible support and impact on Nokia mobiles with
Py60 (see Nokia's Py60
Andrew Turner wrote:
Caching googlemaps tiles, and not through their client, is a violation
of their Terms of Service. Same for all the other providers.
snip
Here's an interesting question. What if you constantly logged your
position (while driving). Then when you got back home, you could
Gabriel Ambuehl wrote:
I dont know in general, but all Sandisk microsd cards I've seen have been
shipped with microSD to SD adapters.
I know that when you purchase a microSD card it will come with an
adapter, but doesn't the Neo come with an included microSD card? If so,
does the Neo also
please fell free to comment...
I've only loosely followed this conversation, so please forgive any
oversights or re-hashes. However I did notice two things 1) Google
Summer of Code 2) Finger Splash application
So, here is my input. Google wants *high quality* projects that will
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
Jon Phillips wrote:
Heya Mickey, on the official openmoko side, how many students is
openmoko shooting for and how many qualified mentors are there? Not that
I have an official in at google, I'm just curious?
Right now we are 4 mentors and we aim for 8
Andreas Kostyrka wrote:
...plus probably a system that would automatically upload/download moko-ness
information.
snip
This way all mokos could keep in touch, and people that switch phones
more often would be able to tune it.
First, I'm not a SMS user (I use email.), so you can take this
Tobias Gruetzmacher wrote:
Hi,
Am Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:28:28 +0100 schrieb Sven Neuhaus:
With regards to encryption - it'd be great if microSD cards can contain
dm-crypt'ed partitions. It's probably rather trivial to add this.
Partitions are a major usability nightmare IMHO. That is
Ben Burdette wrote:
I think that the Neo1973 is both a phone and a portable handheld
device. Using it as a remote control is one of the things I've
personally been interested in this whole thing for. I'd like to think
of the OpenMoko device as an extension of myself into the world of
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 22:57 +0100, Marcel de Jong wrote:
From a user's standpoint:
I do not think I'd like to enter a passphrase or any other measures
just to open up my contacts list (which is after all a piece of
personal data). Also for opening my calendar and such actions on the
device,
Robert Michel wrote:
PS: Ahh, and when your aim is to sabotage openmoko (or someone
would try it in your style) your noise will not stopp anybody
here who is seriously active on/with openmoko - no it will/would
strengthen the community.
Yeah, through all that ranting I think I/we actually laid
Eric Heinemann wrote:
Guys/Gals,
Cingular is not clear as to which data plan is the proper one to purchase for a
specific phone. Some reps are well informed, while others are not. I
currently have a Blackjack, and after 3 days of asking which is the proper plan
I just decided to screw it
Andreas Kostyrka wrote:
well the wap apn would make me suspicious if you'll get normal internet
connectivity with it.
But yes if it's only wap, and if the final version will include a wap browser,
then yes, the Neo will work with the plan. OTOH you might something different
than what you
Mike wrote:
Thanks Harald, I'm out,
I think I speak for us all when I say, Don't let the door hit ya where
the good Lord split ya.
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Matthew S. Hamrick wrote:
Yes... if you have a Blackberry, Treo or HTC phone, run Windows and
don't mind keeping your data on Plaxo's servers, Plaxo is indeed a
good solution.
Still... I'm fairly certain that most GSM phones can't make the data
call to the Plaxo servers _while_ they are on a
Gabriel Ambuehl wrote:
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 18:49:17 dimitris wrote:
Sean, given the uncertainty surrounding Wifi drivers, would an
externally-accessible SDIO slot be a better step for the next hw revision?
I would very much welcome a standard SD slot anyhow. SD cards are
Rod Whitby wrote:
I can't believe this thread.
Anyone who is going to be a phone developer should be able to do their own
research on phone plans.
With the attitude being displaying (I'm out and advising others to do the
same), I wonder what the reaction would be to a P1 device with bugs in
Mike wrote:
SmartPhone Connect and Data Connect ONLY?
All t-mobile data plans will work? All?
Are you with the openmoko project or is your advice conjecture? Is
your advice official?
This is my point.
I would shut up since on this subthread, I look like the only one with
the problem.
Chuck Pareto wrote:
I was thinking about getting a Sip phone to use with the Gizmo Voip
service
(my friend is using it and loves it), but then thought about creating a
Sip/Voip client to run on the OpenMoko. Does anyone know if this would be
possible? Can it be done exclusively in software? I
Mike wrote:
mathew davis wrote:
you also don't _need_ to sign up for a data plan, but I would bet
if your getting this for the neo1973 you will have more features like
google maps, internet browsing, and many other features that would
require a data plan.
Thanks by why don't I need to
Gabriel Ambuehl wrote:
Clear yes, but also about 3 times smaller than on your desktop screen...
First, I really like this idea for input and think it has potential to
being very intuitive while allowing a decent input rate.
That said, the screen size (and corresponding button size) is an
Ian Stirling wrote:
Ideally - if designing it from a completely clean sheet, you want it
so that 'typos' result in very different letters.
a
e 0 i
o
would be a spectacularly bad pick, for example, whereas
a
d 0 q
f
might be good.
This is so autocorrection software can function
Martin Raißle wrote:
On 3/1/07, Krzysztof Kajkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
However there might be such attempts to create GSM trojans
and we should be aware to enable user to protect itself. The question
is how to do that?
What do you think?
First off all I think that there are good
Mike Hodson wrote:
On 2/28/07, Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The reason that I ask is that on my PocketPC phone (iMate PDA2K), there
is supposedly a hardware limitation that will not allow for this to
occur. It can have the bluetooth headset button initiate the program
kkr wrote:
Why not use an open format (.ogg) rather than proprietary one (.avi)?
Regards,
Really not trying to start a fight here. But more players support avi
than ogg. Therefore I agree with the choice.
Open formats and standards are great when they stand on their own
merits. Not
kkr wrote:
Le jeudi 01 mars 2007 à 09:48 -0600, Jonathon Suggs a écrit :
snip
Isn't this something along the lines of SELinux? If that is the case,
is that something we should look at implementing?
snip
As I understood SELinux, it would be a good tool for security.
Many (or most
Tomasz Zielinski wrote:
2007/3/1, mathew davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
then give it a rating of some sort 1 - being safe/trusted program and
10 -
being known bad binary/ don't use at any cost unless you really want bad
things to happen.
Well, nobody will recognize difference between rating 2 and
I know we never came to an official conclusion on the voice command
question, but I'm going to intentionally jump ahead and ask another
question concerning Bluetooth. So for the sake of the question, lets
assume we have a program called VoiceControl that handles taking spoken
commands and
I feel really stupid asking this, but I am having troubles using
Thunderbird. I receive the list in digest mode. For each digest, it
will show up as a single messages in my inbox. Also for each digest it
will have each individual message as an attachment. But I cannot find a
way to respond
Does anyone know of any software for natural language processing that
could be ported to OM/Neo? I really like some of the software that is
available for the PocketPC (MS Voice Commander and Fonix). They both
run and work well on a resource limited platform as well, so it *can* be
done, but both
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
Do you really want e.g. the incoming phone confirmation dialog behave like
that?
[more notification strategies]
...
I understand your point, I just think that this kind of thinking is not what
the majority of smartphone users wants or is it? Guys?
I
Harald Welte wrote:
yes, the GSM Modem we use has standard AT command Fax modem functionality.
I'm not 100% sure about everything I'm about to say, but I vaguely remember
some things from a similar discussion a while back.
In order for you to send/receive fax via a GSM connection requires you
One thing that should be developed is a unified profile manager (and
well defined API). With all of the application possibilities, there are
going to be several programs that will take action based on (location,
time, schedule, whatever). One of the most frustrating things is to
have several
There has been a lot of talk about GPS recently. There are some really
good ideas floating around, but before people start getting really
excited the BIG question is what is the power draw on the device? Will
you be able to keep the GPS receiver on constantly without having the
battery get
Marcus Bauer wrote:
5mW if you get a fix every ten seconds.
10 seconds is a pretty big interval. Where did you get that information
from? Is there a table that shows the draw/polling interval?
Where is the documentation for the chip? Can its polling interval be
controlled? Who is working on
Sometimes it helps to put a face with a name. Anyway, found this link
and thought the community might want to see who is leading the charge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRvtAAXTIlg
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I'm a computer engineer and want to get involved. All I'm seeing coming
across this mailing list is feature requests, basic inquiries, etc. Is
there another list that is focused more on the development side of things?
I'm a little lost on how this project is structured. Can someone please
Just got signed up on the list, so sorry if this has been covered in
previous topics. But one feature that I find to be very high priority
is the ability to use voice dialing over bluetooth and for it to be a
seamless experience.
So, first. What is the status of the bluetooth on the phone?
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