Re: QtMaze - Mokomaze 0.2 for Qt Extended

2009-06-22 Thread Lorn Potter
ext Fabio Locati wrote:
 Thank you ANT :)
 I have now the phone away (they are putting the buzz fix and the bass
 fix). As soon as it will come back, I'll test it again :)
 
 On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 12:04 PM, ANTant0...@gmail.com wrote:
 Fabio Locati wrote:
 I compiled it but when I try to exec it, it returns QtMaze was
 terminated due to application error.
 The only thing that can cause the error is changed path to data files
 (.json). Now the game checks only _local_ directory etc/qtmaze/. I suppose
 that after embedding the game into image, .json files must appear in
 /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/etc/qtmaze/ directory. But it seems that
 /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/ is not a current directory for the game, so
 etc/qtmaze/ can't be found. It is needed to know where data files are
 really placed, and patch some lines of a code to search for them there. OR
 data files can be built into game's executable as a resources, but it is
 worse.

Qtopia::qtopiaDir() is base directory where Qtopia files are installed.

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Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12

2009-06-01 Thread Lorn Potter
Goffi wrote:
 Thank you for all the great work ! I compile your git branch regularly and it 
 works very well, it's my main distro for daily telephony (I keep an eye on 
 OM2009 too ;) ).
 
 I have some questions/remarks:
 
 - I didn't found any option for sms delivery receipt, will QTEi have this 
 option in the future ? It would be really handy :)
 
 - There is a french dictionary in the sources, but not activable during the 
 configure (only en_US is available). I cheat by copying french dict on en_US 
 files, but an option for other languages would be greatly appreciated (phone 
 key are IMHO unusable with a foreigner dictionary).

This would require someone to translate the ~3000 strings in Qtopia, and 
then configure it with that language enabled and then install that language.

 It would be very perfect to have the choice of the dict language when we use 
 phone keys.

Currently there is no way to do this, other than installing a new 
language and using it.
 
 - I my knowledge, it is not possible to change the volume during a call, it 
 would be nice to add a slider.

There is, but it is rather difficult. (during a call) Settings-Call 
Options-Call Volume. But it doesn't currently remember this setting.

 I found the sound a little weak in the speaker, it's difficult to hear 
 somebody 
 in a noisy environment, is it possible to do a software boost ? I have 
 already 
 put 127 in control 4 of  /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state, but 
 it's not enough.
 
 - The alarm don't seem to awake the phone in deep sleep (need some tests: I 
 will try again and fill a bug report)
 

known bug. patches welcome. :)

 - sometime when I look into my sim's contacts, there is nothing (but 
 everything is ok most of time)
 
 - I have followed manually the instructions of the script when I have 
 installed my own compiled QTEi version, but for the bluetooth everything is 
 commented, and I can't install anything related to bluetooth with opkg (opkg 
 search bluetooth give nothing, opkg install bluez-audio says there is not 
 package of this name), so my BT is not working :( .
 It's not a big deal since I have usb cable, but I'd like to save my contacts, 
 and sending vcards via BT is a solution.
 
 Anyway everything is very usable, again thanks to you and the other devs for 
 all the work.
 I have no time for the moment, but I'd like to install a dev environment to 
 give some help in the future :).
 
 Cheers,
 Goffi
 
 On lundi 1 juin 2009 21:02:29 Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
 (install instructions and script updated on 2090601: see below)

 It's been a while, but we haven't been sleeping :-)

 New website:
 
 We have a new website now, thanks to Fale: http://www.qtmoko.org
 There you can find all the latest changes, report bugs, etc ...

 IRC channel:
 
 For those wanting to talk: on irc.freenode.net, channel #qtopia is open
 for business.

 Things solved/added/changed:
 
 See http://www.qtmoko.org/wiki/Change_log
 See http://github.com/liedekef/qtmoko/commits/master for the changelog
 in detail

 Problems found (more like small nuisances now):
 ===
 See http://www.qtmoko.org
 - if you set the time back to something in the past, the clock service
   crashes and you need to restart qtextended if you want to use the
   clock again
 - bluetooth is not working totally ok, only after initial boot it
   works, not after suspend/resume. Seems to be kernel/bluez3 version
   combo issue ... After suspend/resume bluetooth seems to work, but
   receiving files for sure doesn't.
 - if you try to delete the Wireless Lan, the system crashes ... cool
   huh, a crashed phone? So for now: don't do it :-)
 - slow building up of the Contacts, because of all the sql queries for
   a*, b*, c*, ...

 Install instructions:
 =
 download the script
 http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/qtmoko_install.sh , read the
 comments at the top and then execute the script on your openmoko (after
 having flashed the device and made sure internet works).
 The script has 2 options: install or update. An update will just
 download the tgz file and replace your current qtmoko with it.

 For those who just want to replace their existing qtmoko manually,
 here's the link: http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/qte_20090601.tgz .

 Enjoy!

 Franky

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Re: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono)

2009-05-14 Thread Lorn Potter
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
 (Private note: I have this strange sense of Deja Vu :-), although it's been a 
 long time since we had this argument :-)
 
 On Tuesday 12 May 2009 02:56:12 Lorn Potter wrote:
 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
 Yeah,

 that's pretty sad. They should have picked FSO or even Pyneo or at least
 something that is already in development for quite a while. This way it
 looks like NIH syndrome.
 kettle calling the pot black...
 I always thought one of open source's strengths was choice.
 
 What sounds like an asset is a liability thanks to fragmentation. I'd rather 
 chose among few great options than lots of medicre ones.
 
 Until now, trying to co-work with these guys typically went like yeah,
 you can take our APIs, if you want. No, we don't want to look at yours,
 thanks..
 This is partly due to the fact that they planned the roadmap forward in
 years, not weeks or months, not to mention the waterfall development style
 they are probably using.

 It might have been developed internally for quite some time before this.
 
 Which doesn't make me more confident in their ability to shape the platform 
 APIs _together_ with the application developers as opposed to merely impose 
 it 
 on them. If it continues to be like that, FSO has a bright life.
 
 In contrast to that, FSO rather embraces application developer's
 requests.

 Lets see what happens this time.
 You tell me, is Nokia opening up and really embracing open source?
 http://qt.gitorious.org/qt
 
 That's Qt and they have inherited this style from Trolltech.

But it isn't Trolltech that gave the ok for this to go ahead. Nokia had to 
sign off on it too.


 
 The way Nokia has developed Maemo it was always about take it or leave it the 
 way it is. 

True. But Nokia is paranoid about patents and copyrights and licenses and such 
things. Which might
explain one reason why this has been true.

 
 Open source does not necessarily mean an open development process, you should 
 know that better than me :)

I think that most open source projects have a rather closed development process.


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Re: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono)

2009-05-12 Thread Lorn Potter

On 12/05/2009, at 3:04 PM, max wrote:

 On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:09 AM, max csy0...@googlemail.com wrote:
 On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Lorn Potter  
 lpot...@trolltech.com wrote:
 max wrote:
 On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Lorn Potter  
 lpot...@trolltech.com wrote:
 Levy wrote:
 Hi,

 On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 20:08, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
 mic...@vanille-media.de wrote:
 Yeah,

 that's pretty sad. They should have picked FSO or even Pyneo  
 or at least
 something that is already in development for quite a while.  
 This way it looks
 like NIH syndrome.
 Someone is trying to make they use Pyneo on #ofone channel  
 right now.

 I seriously doubt Nokia would ever have python on a Symbian  
 device, especially on S40.


 Actually, Nokia is quite pro-Python. Check out these links for  
 more info.

 http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/pythonfors60/
 http://wiki.opensource.nokia.com/projects/PyS60_extensions

 Let me rephrase that then. I doubt Nokia will ever ship python on  
 a Symbian device.
 Just because someone started an open source project within Nokia,  
 doesn't mean it will ship in a
 product.



 Actually, the S60 All-in-one SDKs seems to support Python development
 (officially). So I don't feel Py60 should be seen just as another open
 source project started by someone within Nokia.

 (Source: 
 http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/ec866fab-4b76-49f6-b5a5-af0631419e9c/S60_All_in_One_SDKs.html)

 Coming back to the topic, personally, I feel the FSO interface should
 have been adopted. D-Bus based APIs? OFono seems to be an alternate
 standard to what FSO already established. While choice is good when it
 comes to implementations, too much choice in interfaces/standards,
 fragments the community, and much productivity is lost in duplicating
 stuff.

Except we all know that python is not the direction Nokia is currently  
taking.

Quite possibly OFono was started development before FSO. and besides,  
OFono doesn't use python.



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Re: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono)

2009-05-11 Thread Lorn Potter
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
 Yeah,
 
 that's pretty sad. They should have picked FSO or even Pyneo or at least 
 something that is already in development for quite a while. This way it looks 
 like NIH syndrome.

kettle calling the pot black...
I always thought one of open source's strengths was choice.


 Until now, trying to co-work with these guys typically went like yeah, you 
 can take our APIs, if you want. No, we don't want to look at yours, thanks.. 

This is partly due to the fact that they planned the roadmap forward in years, 
not weeks or months,
not to mention the waterfall development style they are probably using.

It might have been developed internally for quite some time before this.

 
 In contrast to that, FSO rather embraces application developer's requests.
 
 Lets see what happens this time.

You tell me, is Nokia opening up and really embracing open source?
http://qt.gitorious.org/qt


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Re: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono)

2009-05-11 Thread Lorn Potter
Levy wrote:
 Hi,
 
 On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 20:08, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
 mic...@vanille-media.de wrote:
 Yeah,

 that's pretty sad. They should have picked FSO or even Pyneo or at least
 something that is already in development for quite a while. This way it looks
 like NIH syndrome.
 
 Someone is trying to make they use Pyneo on #ofone channel right now.


I seriously doubt Nokia would ever have python on a Symbian device, especially 
on S40.


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Re: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono)

2009-05-11 Thread Lorn Potter
max wrote:
 On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Lorn Potter lpot...@trolltech.com wrote:
 Levy wrote:
 Hi,

 On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 20:08, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
 mic...@vanille-media.de wrote:
 Yeah,

 that's pretty sad. They should have picked FSO or even Pyneo or at least
 something that is already in development for quite a while. This way it 
 looks
 like NIH syndrome.
 Someone is trying to make they use Pyneo on #ofone channel right now.

 I seriously doubt Nokia would ever have python on a Symbian device, 
 especially on S40.

 
 Actually, Nokia is quite pro-Python. Check out these links for more info.
 
 http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/pythonfors60/
 http://wiki.opensource.nokia.com/projects/PyS60_extensions

Let me rephrase that then. I doubt Nokia will ever ship python on a Symbian 
device.
Just because someone started an open source project within Nokia, doesn't mean 
it will ship in a
product.

 
 Btw, an S60 device runs on the Symbian OS. An S40 device does not.

I stand corrected.

 
 ( Btw, Nokia is pro-Ruby as well :-) . However, Ruby on Symbian is not
 as mature as Py60 is. Read more at:
 http://developer.symbian.com/main/community/open_source_projects/ruby/index.jsp
 )
 
 - Ajith Hussain,
 Senior Software Engineer, Devices RD, Nokia
 
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Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 11

2009-05-04 Thread Lorn Potter

On 04/05/2009, at 11:01 PM, leonardo wrote:

 Franky Van Liedekerke ha scritto:
 * contact management:
  - I don't like it when SIM contacts get merged invisible, so I want
 SIM contact import to be optional (and maybe also a SIM export should
 exist as option)
  - the building of the contact list is slow (because of too many SQL
 statements)
 * bluetooth: 2.6.28 kernels like bluez4, QtE doesn't ...
 * keyboard: now that the keyboard prediction can be turned off, it is
 already much more usable, but still needs a lot of dragging
 left/right/up/down to make a real sentence with punctuation and
 stuff. So some extra buttons and rearranging of existing ones would  
 be
 nice ...

 Moro Franky,
 there is another issue that drives me crazy sometimes. If you have two
 numbers for the same person and you want to send an SMS you have to
 choose the person from the contact list before you write the SMS.  
 Else,
 when you chose the person from the list it automatically gets chosen  
 the
 first one (which in general is the home number...).

The order of numbers on a new contact is this:

Mobile, Home

But listed on the details page as this:
Home
Mobile.

When I tested this, and created a new sms, I got the Mobile number.


 It is really
 annoying because you write the whole SMS and then you throw it away
 because you can't choose the number.

 This is a regression from Qtopia where it was possible to choose among
 the addresses.

 It's in my to-do list after the visual feedback on the keyboard.

Having to choose would add a few more clicks to actually sending an sms.
But, being able to choose between business mobile and mobile might  
mean the difference between a won contract and a kick in the pants.



 ciao,
 leonardo.


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Re: [QT Extended Improved] GPS Mapping Demo

2009-04-27 Thread Lorn Potter

On 27/04/2009, at 5:14 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:

 On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Fabio Locati  
 fabioloc...@gmail.com wrote:
 What about looking into SHR or other openmoko distro to copy the
 compile options of SDL?

 I think SDL is a needed instrument, because it would allow the  
 support
 of many applications that are not supported by Qt Extended because
 they need X.

 In any ways, I'll try to look into it as soon as I'll have time, but
 if someone want to do it before...he/she is completely welcome.

 The problem is that we have tu use a framebuffer, and they can rely on
 a X-server ...
 I see that it is possible to compile SDL in, have you tried that yet?



SDL was 'ported' to Qtopia 2, with a little work, it could be 'ported'  
to qt 4.

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Re: [QtEI] LODI file

2009-04-26 Thread Lorn Potter
Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
 On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:54:31 +0200
 Fabio Locati fabioloc...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Is these 800 and some Kb really useful? It seems not updated and,
 maybe, not useful... what do you think about this file?

 
 dunno, never cared about that LODI file :-)

LODI stands for List Of Deliverable Items, which is a list of all the files in 
the package.

It was used by the trolltech release manager. It's safe to remove.

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Re: [QtExtended] Delete all contacts on sim/export to sim/import from sim

2009-04-24 Thread Lorn Potter
On 24/4/09 10:53 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
 Hi all,

 it seems qtextended by default imports all contacts from SIM (wether
 or not you want it). If the contact was already in the addressbook
 (like in my case: I first imported my VCF file), it tries to merge the
 two, but this sometimes fails (mostly because the name is shorter on
 the sim than on the phone).
 End result: 2 contacts in the list with the same number, but one with
 a shorter name ...
 Even the logic for updating the SIM is flawed: I have 200 contacts on
 SIM (the maximum here), and these get imported. But when I try to edit
 a contact that's imported from SIM, I get a warning that the SIM is
 full and the contact can't be saved on the SIM, even though the
 contact is on the SIM (this can be a simple bug, though).

 So my question is: can I prevent this automatic import from SIM
 contacts (make it optional via a config file or so)? Or is there a way
 to delete all contacts on the SIM via the qtextended interface (I
 might have overlooked something)?
 Ideally, I would have 2 options: export all to sim, import all from
 sim. No intelligent logic when a contact gets updated, that the SIM
 needs updating as well ...
 I don't care about merging and stuff, and my current SonyEricsson P900
 does it like that as well :-)



I believe 4.2 used to be like that, with a menu entry for sim 
import/export, but someone thought that too convenient.

Please add to trak and I can look at reimplementing this, as it really 
bugs me too.



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Re: [QtExtended] gstreamer question

2009-04-22 Thread Lorn Potter

On 23/04/2009, at 4:00 AM, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:

 Hi all,

 in qtextended, there are different kind of media engines:

 - helix
 - cruxus
 - gstreamer

 cruxus is the default, and using the libmad patch, it can play mp3's
 But what's the advantage of gstreamer support? If I compile it in, has
 it priority over cruxus if gstreamer libs are on the device?

depends on how it is ordered in the .pri/o file, first one in the list  
gets priority.


 And if gstreamer is installed, can I then just play mp3's (using the
 correct codecs) without the libmad patch?

Yes, if you have the correct gstreamer plugin(s) installed.
There are some performance problems with gstreamer though...
mp3 should be ok.

 I don't think helix is of any use anymore ...


It is, but the public source has not been updated, and no one can  
distribute it without a license besides.
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Re: [Qtei] Which IDE for Development?

2009-04-21 Thread Lorn Potter
Roland wrote:
 Hello all,
 
 I want to get a little more involved in development for Qtei. Especially
 after Franky's cry for help. Franky: I have to agree with Leonardo - great
 work! To you and everybody else working on Qtei - I'm really impressed with
 the improvements in the last months.
 So why am I writing this mail...
 I have downloaded the sources of Qtextended and also built it a couple of
 times. I also did a checkout of the new git repository and that worked for
 me as well. But any changes I made I had to type into a plain text editor
 and that is kind of annoying.
 
 Is there any IDE one can use for the development?

You can try the kdevelop out of the neo vmware sdk. There are some scripts in 
there to use to help,
although it is not totally integrated.
You can use QtCreator to edit, but again, it's not integrated and it knows 
nothing about qbuild,
same as KDevelop.

Qtopia/Qt Extended development was always using an editor, a console and maybe 
designer.


 Coming from software development with Qt Desktop I think I would be able to
 contribute, but working with a normal editor is not really fun.
 
 Also: Is there a way to debug the newly written applications?

gdb, or kdbg. Again there is helper scripts and stuff in the sdk.

 
 I am willing to install any Linux distribution and any package needed for
 development - but I have to admit I don't have a clue what to install.

Needs vmplayer (or virtualbox)
http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=78

 
 Any comment and recommendation is welcome!
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Re: [QtExtended] call for help

2009-04-20 Thread Lorn Potter
Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
 Ok, it seems my knowledge of qtextended has reached its limits. I'm
 giving up on trying to fix issues that are definitely qtopia-core 
 related. So, if anybody has the skills to help fix issue
 http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/26 feel free to
 jump in. I've spend too much time on these kind of things and since
 even Trolltech didn't bother fixing it, why should I? I'm just one guy
 that happened to put some stuff together, not a company with a bunch of
 developers behind it.
 The same goes for bluetooth.
 So: every qtopia/qt/qtextended developer in this list, please jump in.
 If no response is received, I might as well consider that
 qtextended-on-freerunner is not wanted/needed anymore ... 
 
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try something like this:

diff --git a/src/server/pim/savetocontacts/savetocontacts.cpp
b/src/server/pim/savetocontacts/savetocontacts.cpp
index d89cbd2..8e7ecfb 100644
--- a/src/server/pim/savetocontacts/savetocontacts.cpp
+++ b/src/server/pim/savetocontacts/savetocontacts.cpp
@@ -23,6 +23,7 @@ void SavePhoneNumberDialog::savePhoneNumber(const QString 
number, QWidget *pare
 qt + qApp-translate(SavePhoneNumberDialog, Create a new 
contact?) + /qt,
 QAbstractMessageBox::Warning,
 QAbstractMessageBox::Yes, QAbstractMessageBox::No );
+box-setWindowModality(Qt::WindowModal);

 if (!box) {
 qLog(Component)  SavePhoneNumberDialog: No message box available;




There might be other popup dialogs that have the wrong modality. The fix is 
usually always making it
WindowModal.

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Re: [QtExtended] Do we need to set QTOPIA_PHONE_VENDOR

2009-03-30 Thread Lorn Potter

On 31/03/2009, at 12:22 AM, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:

 In the file devices/neo/custom.h, there's a parameter called  
 QTOPIA_PHONE_VENDOR, but this is not set for the neo. It *is* set  
 for the greenphone, so I'm wondering: do we need this variable or not?
 According to http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/syscust-gsm.html,  
 this is not really needed, but I changed something in the file  
 devices/neo/src/plugins/phonevendors/neo/vendor_neo.cpp (to get the  
 voicemail number from a conf file, like for the greenphone), and it  
 doesn't seem as if qtopia uses the changes (the generated  
 libneovendor.so file) since for voicemail, it still tries the AT  
 commands ...

 Franky

It is set in the qpe script that starts qtextended. 

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howto qt 4.5 with qtextended 4.4.3

2009-03-18 Thread Lorn Potter
http://yasmar.net/qtopia/Using%20Qt%20Extended%204.4%20with%20Qt%204.5.html


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Re: [qtextended] a wishlist

2009-03-18 Thread Lorn Potter

On 19/03/2009, at 6:14 AM, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:

 Hi,

 Hereby some missing things that should get (fixed) in qtextended (or
 call it a wishlist I you like):

 1) mp3 support
 on the openmoko wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qt_Extended_4.4.3,
 I found the following link for libmad and qtextended:
 http://radagast.bglug.ca/openmoko/qt-extended-4.4.3-libmad.tar.gz
 Is this patch still valid?

Yes. Not sure about that patch, but libmad and the libmad plugin can  
be gotten from qtextended.org
Its been there for a while.


 2) some kind of working gps support
   See http://www.onkelinx.com/qtopia.on.neo/?page_id=4
   or navit, tangogps, ... ?

There already is, and specific to the Neo. Use whereabouts example  
application. If someone wants to extend that or write there own, use  
QtopiaWhereAbouts class.



 3) working alarm

I briefly looked into this, but could not find anything in Qtopia that  
would mess up the alarm handling, as it works on other devices.



 4) google contact sync
   See http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=2

 5) working voice notes recording (see my bugreport
 http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/9, any hints on
 getting this fixed are much appreciated ...)

hint: probably need to add support for QAudioStates in the  
mediarecorder. It had been on the qtopia bug list for sometime, but  
got a lower priority than other things.



 6) 2.6.28 support


 It seems a very reasonable and doable list to me (1 and 3 were being
 worked on, 4 seems doable, 5 just needs a fix, 6 is a must later on).
 Any comments, hints, tips?

 Franky

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Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-16 Thread Lorn Potter

On 16/03/2009, at 6:38 PM, Dale Maggee wrote:

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 Dale Maggee wrote:


[snip BS]


 PREDICTION: Lorn won't reply cuz I pwned him so hard he has to go to
 perth to look for his dignity.

I think your spell checker is failing, because you use nonsensical  
words and misspellings.


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Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-16 Thread Lorn Potter

On 16/03/2009, at 7:57 PM, Dale Maggee wrote:



 seeing using the software. What I am *more* interested in is the
 developer trying to tell me that my problems are not actually  
 problems,
 trying to pretend like his software is infallible and/or it's me at
 fault, when it is clearly and demonstrably the software which is at  
 issue.

There is no 'the' developer. Qtopia was a project that had many  
developers. There were more than 30 developers of qtopia, not  
including the Qt part. Include that, and you near about 80.
I am quite flattered that you think I was a major contributor to  
Qtopia. In reality, I was only a major developer for the Neo device  
configuration.



 that have nearly zero information?

 * My emails contain quite a lot of information, much of it highly
 detailed. I'd suggest you read through them in their entirety with
 detachment, rather than allowing their tone to feed your emotions and
 provoke a kneejerk reaction.

 Don't you like the keyboard? Send a patch.

agreed.


 * Already addressed in my previous emails, try actually reading them  
 to
 find out what I said about this.

How can we when you just rant on and on and on?


 If you have idea - write it down as short as it can be.

 Yep, I did that, and Lorn proceeded to tell me that this was not a
 valid use case. Which is utter bullshit.

That's fine if you do not like my opinion, but that doesn't make it  
invalid. You need to separate opinions from facts, because you seem to  
be getting them mixed up.



 If the idea's good someone will pick it up.

 At least two people have replied agreeing with the issue, but not the
 developer of the software. If you'd read my emails properly you'd most
 likely also agree.

 Otherwise please stop spamming this list with this offensive  
 nonsence.

 1. I'll stop when Lorn acknowledges that his software is not perfect,
 and apologises to me for effectively trying to tell me that the  
 issues I
 and others have with the software do not matter, or are imaginary.


For one, it isn't MY software, and I never said it didn't have issues.

I have no reason to apologize. Show me where I stated your issues do  
not matter, or were imaginary?

What I told you was a way to work with the software, as it is. You  
could have found that out yourself, it you would have read the help to  
see how it works. It is not that complicated, but you must know how it  
works to use it correctly. Like driving a car.




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Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-16 Thread Lorn Potter

On 16/03/2009, at 6:21 PM, Dale Maggee wrote:

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 Lorn Potter wrote:
 Quite actually, I was using the predictive keyboard long before  
 anyone
 on this list was, so yes, I have done this. Many times.

 Quite actually??? Quite what? work on your english.

 So you've done it, many times... awesome... I note however that you
 didn't actually answer my question: How Long does it take? and now,  
 how
 long does it take on your PC?

 How long did it take you to type up my sample sms on your FR running
 QTe? and why did you do that Many Times, as you claim? seems like
 wasted effort to me...

 Also, if you'd like to explain why I should CARE IN THE SLIGHTEST that
 you were using it long before anyone else, I'd love to hear it.

because just perhaps I have an insight in how one is supposed to  
actually be using it.



 umm, yes. I can access the menu just fine with my finger.
 Options - Change Input Method.

 ok, fair enough, so you can do it in 2 clicks, which cycles input
 methods. Neat!

 Unfortunately, however, as is your usual, you've not really answered  
 my
 question: I was interested in bringing up the list of input methods,  
 not
 cycling through them. It should be 2 clicks to change from  
 predictive to
 qwerty, and 2 to go back. You're advocating 2 clicks to get to the
 qwerty keyboard, and 7 clicks to get back. How efficient.

The list of input methods was actually depreciated. What you are  
seeing is that someone didn't have the time or inspiration to remove  
that from the neo's theme.



 A use case is usually something that is very often used and  
 repeatable
 for any user. Typing 'antidisestablishmentarianism' is hardly  
 typical.

 So, you're going to squibble over semantics, rather than actually
 discussing the issues at hand? right. Sure sounds like
 you're interested in quality.

 In all the work I've ever done, I'd consider a worst-case-scenario  
 to be
 a use case, and very worthy of concern. As far as I'm concerned, if  
 you
 don't agree with that assessment, then that's a good explanation as to
 why your software is shit.

 No, but he will need to add those words to the common dictionary  
 before
 they will show up in the list of words. To enter a word in the
 dictionary - simply press and hold the letters method.

 Are you saying that any word I type which isn't in the dictionary is
 automatically added? if this is the case then why is the word 'wot',
 which I use *all the time*, not in my dictionary? Where is
 'antidisestablishmentarianism', which I typed earlier today?

 There are too many niche scenarios to target, so we targeted common,
 most used ones.

 ...and when someone brings up one you didn't target? Ignore it? stick
 your head in the sand? tell them that they're imagining it? This is a
 really great way to write shit software.

 News flash: Users don't care what your software is designed to do, or

correction: _you_ don't care what the software was designed to do.


 Right, so you *are* saying that anything I type is added  
 automatically...

No, I didn't say that.


 So, you're telling me that if I accidentally misspell
 'antidisestablishmentarianism', the misspelling will be added to the
 dictionary, and from now on it will *only* suggest the misspelt  
 version,
 meaning that next time I am *forced* to type it letter-by-letter. wow,
 how awesome!


I can't believe you failed to read the help for the input method.  
Actually I can.
In fact, I can even edit those misspellings, but I will leave that as  
an endeavor for the reader.

 I think, however, that you're really just digging a big fucking hole  
 for
 yourself, because 'antidisestablishmentarianism' is *NOT* in my
 dictionary, and neither are any of the intentional mis-spellings I've
 typed today (or, in fact, ever, as far as I can see). If I were you,  
 I'd
 steer clear of espousing the virtues of FEATURES THAT DO NOT WORK - it
 just makes you sound even more stupid, really.


well, it certainly works for me.


[snip useless drivel]

 I am merely explaining to you the way it works.

 No, you're trying to minimise the impact of my concerns, and pretend
 that they're not valid. You're pretending like you haven't written  
 shit
 software when you have. You're acting like a complete retard, posting
 what are either outright lies or uninformed bullshit. Either is
 unacceptable from the developer of a product. You're not even  
 explaining
 the way it works, because IT DOESN'T WORK THE WAY YOU'RE SAYING.

It does.


 You'll note that I never said I could do a better job, only that *you
 have done a shit job*. These are two completely different things...  
 So,
 what's your point?


You have absolutely no idea which parts of Qtopia I worked on, so you  
cannot say I have done a bad job, when in fact, I had no contact with  
this code.

I suppose, 'those that cannot do, just complain and expect someone  
else to fix things for them

Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-16 Thread Lorn Potter
Dale Maggee wrote:
 Aah, the fun continues...

[snip utter nonsense]

http://www.netalert.gov.au/advice/behaviour/netiquette_emoticons/What_is_netiquette.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette


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Re: [QtExtended] Terminal

2009-03-16 Thread Lorn Potter
Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
 On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:08:45 +0100
 Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote:
 
 Hi,
 this is patch and sources for adding terminal application
 to QT Extended Improved. Patch is attached, sources are
 here [1]. They are taken from here [2].

 The tar has to be extracted to src/3rdparty/applications
 then apply patch and rebuild.

 Radek


 [1]
 http://activationrecord.net/radekp/openmoko/qterminal/qterminal.tar.gz
 [2]
 http://git.asheesh.org/?p=qtopia_snapshot.git;a=tree;f=src/3rdparty/applications/qterminal;h=ae7a87fde1f1200ed0deab47b1bf6ca197f072ae;hb=tsdogs

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 Has this anything to do with
 http://www.qt-apps.org/content/show.php?action=contentcontent=92158
 or with
 http://code.google.com/p/qscite/
 ?

No, qterminal is a 'port' of embeddedkonsole from Qt/E 2 to Qt/E 4.

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Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-16 Thread Lorn Potter
Dale Maggee wrote:
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 Lorn Potter wrote:
 Dale Maggee wrote:
 Aah, the fun continues...

[snip utter nonsense]

and you have just demonstrated your maturity level. Go home, your 
parents want to wash your mouth out with soap.

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Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-15 Thread Lorn Potter

On 15/03/2009, at 2:17 AM, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:

 On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:24:20 +0100
 Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be wrote:

 Some initial things I found after a first boot:

 - upon boot, there's something about a ASoC driver (about the last
  thing you see before the graphical stuff begins), but it also says
  that this driver is only for gta01 hardware. Don't know if this
  affects anything though ...
 - upon first boot, you're required to set the time/timezone, but this
  setting is afterwards ignored and you need to redo this. So, if
  possible, this first setting screen should be removed.
 - the power management settings for plugged in mention that the
 phone should suspend when plugged in. This seems illogical. Also upon
 first boot, suspend doesn't work (when set to suspend after x secs
 when on battery), upon second boot it does ...
  But even then, when plugged in, it suspends (although the battery
  icon shows that it is loading, so the software detected that is
  plugged in). Hmmm ... tested it again (after putting the improved
  echo fix version on it) and the suspends no longer happens.
 - upon first boot, pressing the phone icon without sim card in it,
  results in a black screen. You then need to press the powerbutton
 for 10 secs to reboot the device. Upon second boot, this doesn't
 happen anymore.

 So for now: reboot twice and put the improved version on it :-)

 Now on to the phone testing!

 ok, first simple tests:

 - writing an sms is an almost impossible task ... unless you can
  disable predictiveness and use a good keyboard, this will need
  attention. The thing is that I want to write an sms with my
  fingertips ...

I find the 'predictive' keyboard quite usable. You just need to forget  
what it is suggesting until you are finished with the word.
But for any language other than English, it might be a hassle.


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Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-15 Thread Lorn Potter
Dale Maggee wrote:
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 Lorn Potter wrote:
 I find the 'predictive' keyboard quite usable. You just need to forget  
 what it is suggesting until you are finished with the word.
 But for any language other than English, it might be a hassle.

 
 It isn't too bad, but it's very painful as soon as the word you're
 typing isn't in it's dictionary. It should always offer exactly what you
 typed as an option, regardless of whether it's in the dictionay or not:
 If I type pwned, I should see both pwned and owned in the word list.
 
 It's also completely evil when you try to type just a single character,
 such as the word I or a full stop - I often have trouble tapping on
 these in the word list to get them to be added to what I'm typing -
 seems they're too small and require precise tapping.
 
 You should be able to add a word to the dictionary very easily, perhaps
 even automatically adding any word you type which isn't in the
 dictionary - I use *many* non-dictionary wrds wen im typin an sms, 2 da
 point where language other than english' would describe it.

Just hold down on the letter you want to select. You will see a round 
'spy glass' thing pop up with your letter.


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Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-15 Thread Lorn Potter
Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
 On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 06:31:43 +1000
 Lorn Potter lpot...@trolltech.com wrote:
 
 - writing an sms is an almost impossible task ... unless you can
  disable predictiveness and use a good keyboard, this will need
  attention. The thing is that I want to write an sms with my
  fingertips ...
 I find the 'predictive' keyboard quite usable. You just need to
 forget what it is suggesting until you are finished with the word.
 But for any language other than English, it might be a hassle.

 
 well, indeed, I mostly write Dutch or sms-speak :-) So then, I should
 be able to be disabled the predictive part ...

You just need to add your words to the dictionary, so you wont have to 
tap so much.



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Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-15 Thread Lorn Potter
Dale Maggee wrote:
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 Lorn Potter wrote:
 Typing numbers are not 'suggested'.
 
 Fine, be fastidious if you must, You know what I meant.
 
 How long did it take you to type your postal address? Now, how long does
 it take on your PC?
 
 Oh... you didn't test it? You didn't bother typing out the sample SMS in
 my email? Hmmm, Interesting...

Quite actually, I was using the predictive keyboard long before anyone 
on this list was, so yes, I have done this. Many times.

 
 I personally do not find the delay all that troublesome.
 
 Well, that indicates to me that you're either not using it for everyday
 use, or that you happen to be a lucky person who's typing dictionary
 words, or, more likely, that as the developer all the words you use
 commonly happen to be in the dictionary already (strange, that...)
 
 As I said, if you can easily switch to the qwerty keyboard.
 
 bwahahaha, that's a funny joke. Have you ever tried actually switching
 to the qwerty keyboard using just your finger? for me, it usually takes
 at least 3-4 attempts just to bring up the list of input methods. Then
 there's actually attempting to type on the qwerty keyboard, which we'll
 get into later...

umm, yes. I can access the menu just fine with my finger.
Options - Change Input Method.

 
 This is not a very valid usecase. How many times are you going to type 
 this into your phone in a real world situation?
 
 You're incorrect - it's a completely valid, worst-case scenario which
 serves very well to illustrate the inadequacy of the 'typing one letter
 at a time' method which you are advocating. In real-world usage, I'll
 concede that 'antidisestablishmentarianism' isn't used often, but long
 words which aren't in the dictionary are not at all uncommon, especially
 given long words combined with sms-speak spelling. How would you suggest
 a biologist or chemist use this input method to talk about his work?

A use case is usually something that is very often used and repeatable 
for any user. Typing 'antidisestablishmentarianism' is hardly typical.

 
 If you're trying to tell me that the biologist needs to put a
 biologist's dictionary on his phone before he can use it, I'll laugh
 my ass off, and I'll tell you exactly how utterly ludicrous that Idea
 really is.

No, but he will need to add those words to the common dictionary before 
they will show up in the list of words. To enter a word in the 
dictionary - simply press and hold the letters method.

 
 As a software developer, I'm *very* interested in worst-case scenarios,
 as they work very well to find all these little inefficiencies - if I
 can make my software usable in a worst case scenario, it's going to be
 absolutely brilliant for average, everyday use. I test (and sometimes
 write) all my software on low-powered machines for this reason

There are too many niche scenarios to target, so we targeted common, 
most used ones.

 
 If you're not interested in actually making your software robust and
 useful, maybe you should apply for a job at Microsoft.

...

 
 For a fact, though, this took me exactly as much time to tap it out, 
 without having to use the press down method ~10 seconds.
 
 Care to clarify on that? to me, this statement makes no sense.

Using the 'predictive keyboard', it took me 10 seconds to type 
'antidisestablishmentarianism'.


 
 If you're saying that you just typed in 'antidisestablishmentarianism'
 and it was suggested and you were able to choose it because it had no
 idea what you were typing and showed you what you typed, then you're
 doing it wrong, and your test is invalid.

No, it was not a suggested word, as it was longer than any suggestions 
it could find, so it just took the letters I was typing in.

 
 For it to be a valid test, you need to do the following:
 
 1. *quickly* Type 'antidisestablishmentarianism', as if you're expecting
 it to be in the dictionary. (Type quickly, and ignore precision,
 assuming the dictionary will still suggest the correct word even if you
 accidentally hit a couple of letters wrong).

I did. its not in the dictionary. see my statement above.

 
 (i.e: If I'm typing 'owned' in an SMS, I don't concern myself if I
 actually accidentally type pwned, because I know the dictionary will
 pick up on my mistake and suggest owned. For your test to be valid,
 you need to type 'antidisestablishmentarianism' as if you're expecting
 it to be in the dictionary - i.e quickly and without precision)
 
 2. Since you typed quickly and without precision, you'll now have
 something like antidiseatablishmentaroanusm (note that my spelling
 wasn't precise, and I now have an incorrectly spelled word being
 suggested.
 
 3. A this point, If I swipe my finger to the left (i.e: backspace) to
 correct the spelling mistakes, the entire word is erased, and I have to
 do the 'one letter at a time' bullshit.
 
 4. Alternatively at step 3, I could have tapped on the incorrectly
 spelled word to have

Re: [QtExtended] some things

2009-03-15 Thread Lorn Potter
W.Kenworthy wrote:
 On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 16:12 +1100, Dale Maggee wrote:
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 W.Kenworthy wrote:
 Disable it - find the keyboard files and copy terminal.kbd over the top
 ...
 It's kinda like having to choose between death by disemboweling or death
 by dismemberment.

 
 Sounds even worse than shr/2008x/FSO then - why oh why cant some of the
 time spent on keyboards for any OM version be put into something that
 works.

Well, obviously that is only his one opinion.

 
 Never been able to run qt - always tried it on the SD card, which in
 hindsight, needed a slow clock.  Wasn't game to flash it as I needed a
 phone and if it didnt work on SD ...

actually, Qtopia is by far the best and most usable phone software for 
the Neo.

 
 I am finding shr much more usable than the others at the moment - but
 even it does have its quirks if you want to use it everyday.


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Re: [QtExtended] duplicate SMS messages

2009-03-13 Thread Lorn Potter

On 14/03/2009, at 2:33 AM, Radek Polak wrote:

 Warren Baird wrote(a):
 I haven't had time to install a 4.4.3 build yet, but I was  
 wondering if
 anyone had confirmed if the duplicate sms message issue has been
 resolved?   I'm running Lorn's build of 4.4.2, but my sms inbox keeps
 filling up 'cause every time I get an sms, I get duplicates of many  
 of
 my messages added to the inbox...

 Anyone know if that's been fixed?

 Warren

 Just tested sending 3 SMS to my phone from internet gateway.
 Got build from QTE improved and see no duplicates. Maybe i am
 doing somethnig wrong ;-) or it is fixed.

This problem was intermittent and only happened on gta02, and only  
sometimes.
We looked into this but could not reliably reproduce it, although it  
always happened on my gta02.

We believe it was most likely the modem, or something to do with it,  
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Re: [QtExtended] about bug reports

2009-03-10 Thread Lorn Potter
Tomas Riveros Schober wrote:
 Considering that QtE is officially dead, what shall we do about bugs 
 in the current (last) code?

What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the Master calls the butterfly.


 shall we start a separate bug tracker in addition to the community git 
 repo?

yep.

 shall we report back to nokia using the usual tracker?

Nope.

 should we 
 just send patches to the git repo (until a solution is found)?
 It would be nice if we (the community) join efforts to keep QtE alive as 
 long as possible.

agreed.


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Re: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released

2009-03-07 Thread Lorn Potter

On 06/03/2009, at 11:06 PM, Chris Samuel wrote:

 On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:59:58 pm HouYu Li wrote:

 OK, actually. I was talking with lpotter in IRC channel #qtopia at  
 FreeNode
 about the further improvement of QTextended. He will setup a git  
 repository
 based on the 4.4.3 release source by the end of this week. Just  
 waiting for
 a while. We are going to move QTextended to kernel 2.6.28.

 Aha!  Sounds good to me. :-)

There is a git repo already setup for sometime now, just havent  
updated it to 4.4.3
git://git.asheesh.org/qtopia_snapshot.git

http://git.asheesh.org/?p=qtopia_snapshot.git



 I'll let the git push complete as it won't do any harm for now, we  
 can always
 kill it later if need be.

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Qt Software discontinues Qt Extended

2009-03-03 Thread Lorn Potter
http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/news/qt-software-discontinues-qt-extended



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RE: [Qt Extended] Qt Extended discontinued

2009-03-03 Thread Lorn Potter
Indeed.
http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/03/03/in-case-you-missed-it/
 


  _  

From: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org
[mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of HouYu Li
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:43 AM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: [Qt Extended] Qt Extended discontinued


Is it possible for community to take up the development(improvement) of qt
extended?


On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:54 PM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote:


 it's a great toolkit for the desktop.


a devastating compliment ...


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RE: Qt Software discontinues Qt Extended

2009-03-03 Thread Lorn Potter
 

-Original Message-
From: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org 
[mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of 
Shawn Rutledge
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:34 AM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: Qt Software discontinues Qt Extended

On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Lorn Potter 
lpot...@trolltech.com wrote:
 
http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/news/qt-software-discontinues-qt-exten
 ded

It says some features will be migrated into Qt itself.  I 
assume that means Nokia doesn't see a need for some of the 
low-level open-source phone-specific stuff (daemons etc), 
because they want to keep using their pre-existing versions 
instead?  What about the applications?  Is there a list of 
stuff that will be migrated and stuff that will disappear?

No public list available, but probably none of the applications in Qt
Extended will go into Qt. Just backend/classes kind of thing.


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Re: Qt Software discontinues Qt Extended

2009-03-03 Thread Lorn Potter
Shawn Rutledge wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Lorn Potter lpot...@trolltech.com wrote:
 No public list available, but probably none of the applications in Qt
 Extended will go into Qt. Just backend/classes kind of thing.
 
 What about the ability to run Qt on a framebuffer as opposed to X?

Qt Embedded is still being developed. :)

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Re: Qt Software discontinues Qt Extended

2009-03-03 Thread Lorn Potter
xChris wrote:
 
 Is there any future plan for the QTcreator to produce Qt extended
 applications?

Only if someone in the community adds this.

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Re: [QtExtended] Proper way to invoke suspend?

2009-01-04 Thread Lorn Potter
Martin Bernreuther wrote:
 Hello,
 
 on a Linux system (with ACPI) it is possible to invoke a suspend through
 
 echo -n mem  /sys/power/state
 
 (see http://ols.fedoraproject.org/OLS/Reprints-2008/brown-reprint.pdf 
 (chapter 5, 6th page 42);
  http://www.linux.com/articles/54610, 
 http://acpi.sourceforge.net/documentation/sleep.html,
  http://www.columbia.edu/~ariel/acpi/acpi_howto.txt (section 23.2),
  
 http://www.linux-magazin.de/heft_abo/ausgaben/2004/02/einschlaf_hilfen/(offset)/2
  (german),...)
 
 Qt Extended on the Neo Freerunner
 (http://moko.mwester.net/download/uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin +
  
 http://other.lastnetwork.net/OpenMoko/qtextended-4.4.2-gta02-rootfs-release-working-with-SystemRingTones.jffs2)
 seems to be APM based
 (/sys/power/state is also present and `echo mem  /sys/power/state` works)
 and `cat /proc/apm` shows some information.
 Working on a console (if you have one, which is not default for QtExtended), 
 section 12.18.8.1.1
 of 
 http://www.uibk.ac.at/linuxdoc/LDP/LDP/Mobile-Guide/html/mobile-guide-p2c1s8-apm.html
 shows a nice way to keep an eye on the battery state through the command 
 prompt:
 export PS1=\$(cat /proc/apm | awk '{print \$7}') \h:\w\$ 
 Invoking a suspend on a APM based systems can be done with
 
 apm -s
 
 I noticed /etc/apm/suspend.d/gsm_suspend, which executes
 echo 1 /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/flowcontrolled
 Is this also needed for a proper suspend? (It seems to work without that.)
 
 
 In contrast to the information about e.g. how to turn on/off LEDs 
 (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner/Buttons_and_LEDs)
 I didn't find this in the OpenMoko Wiki. Maybe because OpenMoko offers the
 Ompower Power management daemon:
 
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Ompower
 
 This service seems not to be available for QtExtended:
 
 r...@om-gta02:~# dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.openmoko.Power / 
 org.openmoko.Power.Core.ListResources
 Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.openmoko.Power 
 was not provided by any .service files
 
 which is not astonishing since
 ompower is a suspend handling daemon talking dbus installed by default since 
 Om 2008.8
 but apparently not by QtExtended (and /usr/share/dbus-1/services/ is empty).
 
 QtExtended offers (formerly QCop and now Qtopia IPC based) services 
 (http://doc.trolltech.com/qtextended4.4/services.html),
 which include a pre-defined suspend service 
 (http://doc.trolltech.com/qtextended4.4/suspendservice.html)
 (also cmp. /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/services)
 The qcop command-line tool 
 (http://doc.trolltech.com/qtextended4.4/qcop-tool.html) should also be 
 capable to do the job:
 export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/lib
 export PATH=/opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/bin:$PATH
 
 qcop service send Suspend 'suspend()'
 
 
 There might be more ways to do a suspend...
 
 
 What is the proper way to suspend the Freerunner for QtExtended?
 (Probably the last one. But is there more to be done?)

Proper way is to just let it suspend on it's own.

 
 The next question will be how to configure the lock icon (padlock.png for 
 finxi)
 on the home screen (the rightmost icon on the bottom) to be connected with the
 suspend command/service... (instead of Screen Lock)

You would have to edit the code and recompile, as this is not how the screen 
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Re: QT Extended

2008-12-12 Thread Lorn Potter
Dale Maggee wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 Hi,
 
 I'm having a couple of problems with QT Extended (the fixed version from
 http://other.lastnetwork.net/OpenMoko/):
 
 1. The predictive keyboard. I deleted the dictionary file as suggested
 elsewhere to disable the predictive keyboard, but it still predicts
 words which are found in my address book, like people's names, which
 makes it even less useful because now it never ever suggests the word
 I'm trying to type!
 
 2. The Messaging app - it's doing strange things, like sometimes it
 creates duplicates of messages, so I'll see 2 or 3 copies of the same
 SMS in my inbox. So I'll move all messages to trash and empty trash,
 then a couple of minutes later an SMS will arrive and it'll say '17
 messages recieved' and I'll see many duplicates of old messages I just
 deleted in my inbox. Also it will only store about 130 messages - is
 this storing SMS messages on the SIM? can it be configured to store them
 in it's own database?
 
 3. The clock - every time I reboot the device I need to set the clock,
 it seems to revert to GMT and not take my timezone into account, or
 something. I tried using the 'hwclock --systohc' command but got an error.
 
 4. I'm told that the echo is back (which wasn't there with Trolltech's
 QT extended image, the one which didn't ring)
 
 Does anybody have any ideas on any of these things? apart from this and
 the fact that I can't run any of the cool software being produced for
 2008.x, I like Qt Extended alot!
 
 I'd also like to know if anybody knows if there's a new version of QT
 Extended in the works - I've noticed Lorn Potter has been pretty quiet
 on these lists lately...
 
 Apologies if this has been asked / solved elsewhere - I had a bit of a
 look but couldn't find anything much...

I am still here. Just been busy with other things.
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Re: [Qt extended] Default input method

2008-11-17 Thread Lorn Potter
Dareus wrote:
 Does someone know if there's a way to set the default input method?
 
 I really can't use handwriting and I really like the predictive keyboard, is
 it necessary to select my favourite input method everytime qtextended
 starts?

theoretically, it already has a default keyboard, which is already set 
to the predictive keyboard. Known bug.

You can delete the handwriting plugin:
/opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/plugins/inputmethods/libpkim.so


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Re: [debian][neo1973] Forwarding GSM port to PC

2008-11-03 Thread Lorn Potter
Bartlomiej Zdanowski [Zdanek] wrote:
 Greetings,
 I want to write small app on my PC using neo1973's GSM modem. I'd like 
 to somehow forward /dev/ttySAC0 and have serial device in my Linux' /dev 
 and connect to it as to ordinary serial port.
 I have debian installed so I have an access to plenty of packages.
 
 Any ideas? Thank you in advance.
 Best regards,

Qtextended's 'phonebounce' was written for exactly this.
http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/phonebounce.html


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Re: QtExtended 4.4.2 Changes?

2008-10-31 Thread Lorn Potter
On Sat November 1 2008 2:55:36 am Pander wrote:
 I've just tried 4.4.2 with mwester's kernel and it gets losts in an
 infinite pile of 'blah blah Magic bitmask blah blah' so going back to
 4.4.1.

 Does anyone else got it working properly or the same problems?

I forgot to add mwesters file system changes to this image.


 Maelvon HAWK wrote:
  Ben Cadieux a écrit :
  Hi Everyone,
 
  It seems 4.4.2 was released today; as usual, there is no summary of
  changes below the download link.  Does anyone know what was changed?
 
  Don't know exactly what was changed.
 
  But I've tested the previous versions 4.3  4.2 and they always freeze
  after a short period of use. This time I've flashed it on my GTA02, and
  it seems to works well. A little too speed with the finger scrolling.
 
  The dialer and the suspend/resume with a call seems good.
 
  Except a keyboard disapearance sometimes, in the terminal keyboard,
  cannot use the arrow, a Lan config who lost the config, cannot apply a
  static configuration, come back every time at DHCP.
 
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Re: [Om2008.9] AtChat talking every second to SIM

2008-10-21 Thread Lorn Potter
Matthias Apitz wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I was looking a bit through the output of logread and I'm asking me if
 it is normal (and necessary in the sense of power consumption) that 'qpe'
 is talking every second to the SIM to ask for the signal level of the GSM:
 
 Oct 21 11:34:28 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  T : AT+CSQ 
 Oct 21 11:34:28 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  F : +CSQ: 20,99  
 Oct 21 11:34:28 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  F : OK 
 Oct 21 11:34:30 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  T : AT+CSQ 
 Oct 21 11:34:30 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  F : +CSQ: 20,99  
 Oct 21 11:34:30 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  F : OK 
 Oct 21 11:34:32 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  T : AT+CSQ 
 Oct 21 11:34:32 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  F : +CSQ: 20,99  
 Oct 21 11:34:32 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  F : OK 
 Oct 21 11:34:34 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  T : AT+CSQ 
 Oct 21 11:34:34 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  F : +CSQ: 20,99  
 Oct 21 11:34:34 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  F : OK 
 
 Any comment? Thx

every second (or two, as the case may be) might be a bit extreme, but 
this is just getting the signal quality.


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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-21 Thread Lorn Potter
Jim Morris wrote:
 Cédric Berger wrote:
 Here we are
 http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html

 time to port to Neo !

 
 At last maybe we will get a stable, usable O/S for the Neo (which I have 
 shelved until such a thing 
 exists). I was using Qt but QtExtended was a step backwards in stability. I 
 am very happy to see 
 Android available for development, I may un-shelve my Neo blow off the dust 
 and help port it!
 

Just because 4.4.1 might be unstable doesn't mean qt extended will always be 
that way. It just means 
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Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-21 Thread Lorn Potter
Jim Morris wrote:
 Lorn Potter wrote:
 Jim Morris wrote:
 Cédric Berger wrote:
 
 Just because 4.4.1 might be unstable doesn't mean qt extended will 
 always be that way. It just means that 4.4.1 was buggier than expected.

 
 Oh I know it will get better, I was just disappointed it was less stable than 
 the previous version. 

We all were. The truth is, 4.4.1 was pushed out before it was ready. But it 
couldn't be helped.


 which I had blown away to try 4.4.1 I couldn't really use 4.4.1 of QtEtended 
 as it seemed to hang 
 all the time as well as other issues which I'm sure you are aware of. 
 (Scrolling through lists 
 usually thinks you are selecting something you don't want etc).
 
 I'll continue to try the new versions of 4.4 as they come out, but in the 
 meantime playing with 
 Android seems like a good use of my time ;)
 
 I'll use whichever one ends up being a usable phone soonest.
 


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Re: qt extended src does not match precompiled

2008-10-20 Thread Lorn Potter
Glen Ogilvie wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I am not sure if I should be talking about this here, or on the qt extended 
 forum which seems fairly quite.  However, I recently downloaded and compiled
 qt-extended-4.4.1.  
 
 I then compared the /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia directory from 
 qtextended-4.4.1-gta02-rootfs-release-10022309.jffs2 against the files in my 
 build image directory.
 
 I noticed that althogh most files build much the same, some things were not 
 in 
 the version I compiled from sournce.
 
 The missing bits are:
 * s60 and smart themes.

 * qterminal
 * libmad

These two are not in the qt extended source package and can be 
downloaded from qtextended.org.

 * facebook intergration
 * profiles

Profiles should be there, otherwise you could not change ringtones. 
Homescreen-Options-profiles

The rest are included in the sources, but you need edit projects.pro and 
add them to get them built.


 
 Any suggestions would be appricated.  I am also looking for the respoistory 
 (svn / git, etc) for qtextended so I can track the latest development, but 
 have not been able to find it.
 

There is no official public repository for sources. We are working on 
getting snapshots working still.

4.3 snapshots should start being published today or tomorrow, and 4.4 
should be soon.


There is an unofficial git at:
git://git.asheesh.org/qtopia_snapshot.git


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Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 solved

2008-10-13 Thread Lorn Potter
� wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I finally found a place in the qtopia sources where I could put code for 
 activating the
 echo suppression for every incoming/outgoing call.
 I'm quite sure that experienced qtopia programmers would find a better 
 place for it.

A better place for stuff needed for a particular modem, would be in the 
phone vendor plugin. That's what its there for. Not to defray this 
patch, but this is very calypso specific, and not part of the GSM spec. 
(although any other modem would most likely just spit out an error)


 But this just works. And as long as no other solution is out there I 
 will share it
 with other people who want to combat the echo.
 
 The patch is against the latest snapshot of Holgers qtopia git.
 commit: 09335e76e1762b97dad23b997978424ed10f8da1
 Unfortunately this version doesn't load the gmshandset.state file when a
 call is initiated.
 
 When compiling with this patch a new libqtopiaphonemodem.so.4.3.2 is
 created. I replaced this lib with the one on my OM2008.9.
 
 Instead of compiling it yourself you can download the file here:
 http://danielnoethen.de/libqtopiaphonemodem.so.4.3.2
 Just replace it with the one in /opt/Qtopia/lib and restart qtopia with:
 /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart
 
 In combination with this gsmhandset.state file the volume of your
 calling partner is loud enough, and vice versa.
 http://danielnoethen.de/gsmhandset.state
 
 It should work with every distro that uses qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.2

and a device that has the calypso modem.

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Re: UBIFS was Re: Compressed file system for SD?

2008-10-12 Thread Lorn Potter
nickd wrote:
 I haven't sorry. Coincidentaly, the new kernel which was released the 
 other day (.27) includes a new filesystem designed for flash drives - 
 UBIFS [1]. I wonder if this could be relevant to this project. It looks 
 like it has full write-back support, meaning it doesn't need to write to 
 the SD card all the time, although I guess we don't have that much 
 memory to play with.


ubifs wont work on sd cards, which are not true flash devices.
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Re: What should a community manager do?

2008-10-11 Thread Lorn Potter
Rod Whitby wrote:
 Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
 On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Duv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My only concern here is that there seems to be a separation between the
 developer and the user... that in the community both seem to have there
 little corner. Maybe I am reading that wrong, but if I am not... I am not
 too sure that it's something that I would agree with, if only because the
 current make-up of OpenMoko, Developer and user are one in the same.
 I agree: There's no reason to make a separation between developers and
 users. They do have a bit different needs but no matter what, they're
 all needed. A community manager should take care of all members of the
 community, from beginners to kernel developers. Help the beginners to
 get involved and allow and enable developers to work as efficiently as
 possible.
 
 I'm sorry, but I don't believe one single community manager can cross
 the divide between the developer and user mindsets that I spoke
 about in my reply to your earlier post.

I disagree. I have been doing exactly that for the last 5 years. Trying 
to anyway. I believe a community manager can only be _one_ person.

To have a user mindset, you simply need to use what you're trying to 
evangelize everyday. You see the difficulties of actually using something.

To work with the user community in this fashion, you need to care about 
and understand the flaws the software may have (in terms of bugs and 
usability) and the reasoning the developers may have done a particular 
thing. Only a developer can do this part, and only a developer can work 
with the developer community.


 
 It's *really* difficult to spend your day answering end-user FAQs and
 support issues, and then turn around and enthuse and excite your
 developers.  One person will burn out very quickly trying to do both.

Perhaps. But variety is the spice of life. It all comes down to passion.


 
 Note that both needs (support of users and embracing of developers) do
 need to be met for a well functioning community.  But I don't believe a
 single person can do the job of meeting both those needs.

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Re: [qtextended] After 4 days...

2008-10-09 Thread Lorn Potter
Paul wrote:
 I heard today that turning down the speaker volume should fix this 
 somewhat. Problem is that, after a reboot, this is set to max again. I 
 intend to have a look at some files and see if I can incorporate a dirty 
 hack for the time being, to fix this. No promises that this will bring 
 anything, though.
   
 
 Right. No fix, since I don't see a place where I could grab it in the neck.
 I did find that the phone volume setting is in 
 /home/root/Settings/Trolltech/Phone.conf. Somehow, after a reboot, the 
 setting of this file is not used and implemented, but some default 
 setting is used.
 
 I found the default Qtopia Phone.conf and played around with that, but 
 to no avail.
 After a reboot the speaker volume is at 127 (max), not at 90 (which is 
 in the Phone.conf in $HOME/Settings/Trolltech/Phone.conf). After just 
 looking at the setting, Phone.conf is updated already, overwriting the 
 preferred setting.
 
 Paul
 

You can do this to twiddle with volumes:
alsactl restore -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarious/stereout.state
alsamixer
alsactl store -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarious/stereout.state

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Re: one day usage of qtextended

2008-10-08 Thread Lorn Potter
Matt wrote:
 gtalk uses jabber protocol, so should be doable.

Certainly. If telepathy and gabble were available for the Neo's.

 
 Nishit Dave wrote:
 On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This is a gtalk presence indicator.

 Million dollar question: where is gtalk? how do I install and 
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Re: QTExtended package repository

2008-10-08 Thread Lorn Potter
Charles Pax wrote:
 I'm looking for the package repository for QTExtended. 
 http://qtextended.org/packages/feed/4.4.1/neo does not seem to be there, 
 but this is what is in the package manager I flashed to my neo. Please 
 advise.

I haven't gotten around to getting packages built for this. Once the sdk starts 
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Re: one day usage of qtextended

2008-10-07 Thread Lorn Potter
Nishit Dave wrote:
 On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 This is a gtalk presence indicator.
 
 Million dollar question: where is gtalk? how do I install and configure it?

Install/flash qt extended 4.4.1. Settings-Gtalk settings



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Re: one day usage of qtextended

2008-10-07 Thread Lorn Potter
Devendra Gera wrote:
 On Wed, 08 Oct 2008, Lorn Potter wrote:
 
 Nishit Dave wrote:
 On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This is a gtalk presence indicator.

 Million dollar question: where is gtalk? how do I install and configure it?
 Install/flash qt extended 4.4.1. Settings-Gtalk settings
 
 I don't see a Gtalk settings entry in the settings menu in my install!
 I'm using the original 4.4.1 image. Are you using the one with the
 zoneinfo updates? Did you install anything extra? Any updates?

Whoops! I forgot I took it out of the build, as there is no telepathy 
and gabble available for openmoko.

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Re: one day usage of qtextended

2008-10-07 Thread Lorn Potter
Devendra Gera wrote:
 On Wed, 08 Oct 2008, Lorn Potter wrote:
 
 I don't see a Gtalk settings entry in the settings menu in my install!
 I'm using the original 4.4.1 image. Are you using the one with the
 zoneinfo updates? Did you install anything extra? Any updates?
 Whoops! I forgot I took it out of the build, as there is no telepathy 
 and gabble available for openmoko.
 
 Is it coming back? If so, when?

This would depend on Openmoko or someone else adding telepathy and friends to 
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Re: one day usage of qtextended

2008-10-06 Thread Lorn Potter
Craig B. Allen wrote:
 Comments and additions:
 - mp3's play choppy, even ogg's experience this (especially when
 touching the screen while the player is on)
 128k mp3s from podcasts play fine, haven't tried music or ogg.
 
 - I have been unable to get wifi at home working (WPA2) despite
 several attempts.
 
 - feed address is wrong; changing it to 4.3.2 connects but finds no
 packages (browsing there shows several).
 
 - no way to install packages downloaded with wget

Only way to install packages into qt extended is through the package 
manager, which only allows packages via web server. I know, it's 
retarded, but thats the way it is. It might change in the future.

 
 - finger scrolling too sensitive - often launches programs
 
 - frequent messages from 129 (apparently transmissions from
 T-Mobile that indicate that I have voicemail waiting show up in the
 new message queue, they should be handled quietly in the background
 and set a new voicemail indicator in the UI.
 
 - I have not seen any documentation on phone features, other than the
 help system (bravo that it exists!), like the little grey globe in the
 header on the homescreen.

This is a gtalk presence indicator.

 
 - help system sometimes describes features that don't appear to exist.

Can you name specifics here?

 
 - record audio doesn't.
 
 - browser doesn't see USB network
 
 - rotated screen squashes graphic elements (e.g. icons)

Only on the homescreen

 
 - smart' theme has no way to get to dialer
 
 I have to say that Qtextended is fast and works better as a phone than
 other distributions I have tried.  There are obviously many kinks and
 applications to be enhanced, but we could do worse than a marriage of
 the qt apps and FSO.
 
 Kudos to the trolls!

Thanks!

 
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Re: one day usage of qtextended

2008-10-06 Thread Lorn Potter
Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I've used the qtextended distro for one day as a regular phone, here
 are my experiences:
 
 - first of all: battery life seems to be ok, after one day the battery
 meter was still at 80%. Nice!
 - echo issue: with my alsa state file, no issue anymore

Could you attach your alsa state file?

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Re: Community update, october 3rd 2008

2008-10-06 Thread Lorn Potter
Minh Ha Duong wrote:

 * Another big point release: Qtopia 4.4. It's now called Qt Extended, we 
 will need to update that string on about ~100 wiki pages!

Qt Extended only refers to versions 4.4.1 and above. Any reference to 
Qtopia 4.3.x should remain the same.

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Re: why?

2008-10-06 Thread Lorn Potter
Detructor wrote:
 Why is there no distro with GPRS/WLAN support?
 After (dunno...5 or 6 months?) there is still no distro for the neo
 freerunner that has a GPRS/WLAN support, that works.
 
 yeah, you'll say but there is the OM2008.x stuff and I'll answer: it
 simple does not work! I mean...WLAN works only per editing config files
 (there is no working GUI for encrypted WEP WLANs) and GPRS...you've to
 disable your PIN...sorry, but I don't have that much money, to let
 someone steal my neo/SIM and use it to call his or her friends in china
 or somewhere else. So it simple does not work.
 
 Now you'll come with qtopia...and I'll say: yeah...errhm...there is a
 GUI (good) but it does not work, because the ppp module isn't builded
 into the kernel (mwester) and there is no kernel from nokia/trolltech
 yet (why?)

Because Qt Software doesn't do kernels. and I havent had time to work on GPRS.
Qt Extended wlan works without editing conf files, btw.


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Re: [Qt Extended]: Power management functions not working when plugged in.

2008-10-05 Thread Lorn Potter
Kelvie Wong wrote:
 On Sunday, October 05, 2008 20:46:27 Kelvie Wong wrote:
 I've used the Power Management dialog to set the FR to turn off its screen
 after X amount of time -- this seems to only work when the phone is
 unplugged.

 Whenever I plug it back in, the settings are not respected.  Is this a
 known issue?  When on battery, the settings get respected.

 I have also removed the power management settings from the current profile,
 so I don't think that is what is affecting it right now.
 
 Also, this is on 4.4.1, with the latest kernel on mwester's site:
 gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable
 
 

Yes, this is a known issue, unfortunately. Am working on this as we speak.


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Re: [Qt Extended]: Power management functions not working when plugged in.

2008-10-05 Thread Lorn Potter
Kelvie Wong wrote:
 On Sunday, October 05, 2008 21:00:41 Lorn Potter wrote:
 Yes, this is a known issue, unfortunately. Am working on this as we speak.
 
 Good to hear :)  Are snapshots going to be available, or would I have to wait 
 until the next release?
 

We are waiting on an 'ok' to start snapshots.


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Re: How do I turn on wifi in QTextended?

2008-10-04 Thread Lorn Potter
Charles Pax wrote:
 I'm using the new version of QTextended (was Qtopia) and I can't seem to 
 find any way to turn on my wireless. I see where I can turn on/off the 
 Bluetooth, but nothing for the wifi chip. Any advice?

Settings-Internet-Options (menu)-New-Wireless


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Re: [QTextended] how to select music directory in Media Player?

2008-10-04 Thread Lorn Potter
Craig B. Allen wrote:
 I have been trying to setup to play files stored on my SD card but
 cannot find any way to select or enter a directory.

Put your files in a Documents directory on the sd card and qt extended 
will find them



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Re: [SPAM] Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4

2008-10-03 Thread Lorn Potter
Kishore wrote:
 On Friday 03 Oct 2008 4:46:45 am Lorn Potter wrote:
 Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
 On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:43:23 +0200

 Petr Vanek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 No problem here. I reflashed previous QT snapshot 4.3 so i presume if
 you use kernel from 4.3 you are ready to go.

 unless...I was also looking at the services screen or what it's
 called in QT4.4 so i might have activated USB networking by an
 accident and it's kernel independent? Check it out anyways.
 hmmm ... I'm guessing that image isn't the official released one, too
 many bugs (old and new):

 - lots of kernel-warnings spit out during booting (using
 uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin from I believe the
 previous 4.3.x snapshot version). Or maybe this is a uimage issue?
 yes, this has nothng to do with qtextended.
 
 I get plenty of errors with regard to splash plugin not found. Seems like 
 there should have been a splash screen that is trying to be updated but then 
 it does not exist. And yes, boot it still slow.

thats because I removed that, but some script is still trying to use it. It's 
harmless

 
 - timezone management isn't working (the files just aren't there
 in /usr/share/timezone). Also the time itself can't be changed.
 hmmm...
 indeed. sorry. I will update with a new image.
 
 I hope it will be possible to just upgrade from the current install i just 
 spent a few hours setting up the moko, transferring contacts etc. (My 
 previous 
 motoming phone does not have an export all feature)

ok. I will put up a ipkg of the needed zoneinfo files.

 
 - echo problem is back
 odd.

 - alarm keeps vibrating the phone, after pressing snooze
 - each received call arrives twice, causing the second call to show up
 as missed
 also odd. I haven't seen this.

 The image is called 4.4.1, but my phone reports it as 4.4.2 ... I
 thought it was going to be 4.4.3?
 Thats because its really a snapshot. which is just 4.4.1 + a few bug fixes.
 
 I do not use the FR as my primary phone yet so have not tested how well it 
 manages calls.
 
 Ps: Lorn, In your blog post for today, you mention dynamic rotation. Does 
 that 
 mean it adjusts based on accelerometer reading? I could only find one 
 application where i had to tap on the screen to make it rotate.

We have not done anything with motion sensors yet. So it is not automatic 
rotation on the Neo.


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Re: How to build qt-extended?

2008-10-03 Thread Lorn Potter
Nicola Mfb wrote:
 2008/10/3 Jim Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 It is activated in the released image. At least I can set the
 encryption on my email account.
 
 
 I just downloaded the updated toolchains, but the problem persist:

Looks like it configured in ssl to me:

 Configuring Qt Extended (expanded commandline):
 -using-device neo -ui-type mobile -dynamic-rotation -ssl -dbus -libamr


 OpenSSL support . yes (run-time)




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Re: [Om2008.9] stored PIN for qpe

2008-10-03 Thread Lorn Potter
Matthias Apitz wrote:
 Hello,
 
 Is it somehow possible to feed the PIN from a file in rootfs into the
 PIN dialog of 'qpe'? Thx

nope. But the sources are available you could patch it to do this.


 I know it's not very secure, but normal people will not know how to read
 files in a FR :-)
 
   matthias

If you don't want sim pin, you can 'disable' it, from the Security 
settings app.



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Re: How to build qt-extended?

2008-10-02 Thread Lorn Potter
Nicola Mfb wrote:
 I'm trying to build qt-extended myself, but build process fails, anyone 
 may help?
 
 This is what i did:
 
 cd /opt
 wget http://qtextended.org/downloads/neo/arm920t-eabi-ficgta01-toolchain.tgz
 tar xzvfC arm920t-eabi-ficgta01-toolchain.tgz /
 wget 
 http://qtextended.org/downloads/source/qt-extended-opensource-src-4.4.1.tar.gz
 tar xvzf qt-extended-opensource-src-4.4.1.tar.gz
 mkdir build
 cd build
 export QTOPIA_DEPOT_PATH=/opt/qt-extended-4.4.1
 $QTOPIA_DEPOT_PATH/configure -device neo
 
 it results in:
 
 
 ***
 Configuring Qt Extended (expanded commandline):
 -using-device neo -ui-type mobile -dynamic-rotation -ssl -dbus -libamr
 -pictureflow -add-mediaengines cruxus -add-modules bluetooth 
 -add-modules cell
 -add-modules connectivity -add-modules devtools -add-modules essentials
 -add-modules games -add-modules inputmethods -add-modules location 
 -add-modules
 media -add-modules messaging -add-modules pim -add-modules pkgmanagement
 -add-modules telephony -add-modules ui -displaysize 480x640 -font
 dejavu_sans_condensed:10,12,13,16,28:50 -font
 dejavu_sans_condensed:13,14,15,16,20,21,23,32,36:75 -xplatform linux-neo-g++
 -arch arm -languages en_US -prefix /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia
 -extra-qtopiacore-config -qt-mouse-tslib -sound-system alsa -mkconf -make
 /usr/bin/gmake -no-save-options -make /usr/bin/gmake -using-mkconf
 -no-save-options
 ***
 
 
 This is the Qt Extended Open Source Edition.
 
 You are licensed to use this software under the terms of the GPL.
 Please see the file LICENSE.GPL for the licensing terms.
 
 Type 'yes' to accept this license offer.
 Type 'no' to decline this license offer.
 
 Do you accept this license agreement? yes
 
 Testing the system Qt: OK
 Qt Extended is using the following locations:
 Qt  PREFIX  = /usr
 Qt  LIBRARIES   = /usr/lib/qt4
 Qt  BINARIES= /usr/bin
 Qt  HEADERS = /usr/include/qt4
 Qt Embedded SOURCE tree = /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1/qtopiacore/qt
 Qt Embedded BUILD  tree = /opt/build/qtopiacore/target
 Qt Extended SOURCE tree = /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1
 Qt Extended BUILD  tree = /opt/build
 Qt Extended SDKtree = /opt/build/sdk
 
 Checking the compiler (host): OK (GCC 4, Little Endian)
 Checking the compiler (target): OK (GCC 4, Little Endian)
 Bootstrap QBuild: ... OK
 Testing QBuild: OK
 Testing for ALSA: OK
 Testing Qt Extended Media Engines: cruxus
 Checking QMAKE_RPATH: -Wl,-rpath-link,
 Testing for OpenSSL: FAIL
 ERROR: You requested -ssl but it was disabled.
 gmake: *** [src/build/mkconf/configure] Error 1
 
 adding -no-ssl switch to configure line:
 
 
 ***
 Configuring Qt Extended (expanded commandline):
 -using-device neo -ui-type mobile -dynamic-rotation -ssl -dbus -libamr
 -pictureflow -add-mediaengines cruxus -add-modules bluetooth 
 -add-modules cell
 -add-modules connectivity -add-modules devtools -add-modules essentials
 -add-modules games -add-modules inputmethods -add-modules location 
 -add-modules
 media -add-modules messaging -add-modules pim -add-modules pkgmanagement
 -add-modules telephony -add-modules ui -displaysize 480x640 -font
 dejavu_sans_condensed:10,12,13,16,28:50 -font
 dejavu_sans_condensed:13,14,15,16,20,21,23,32,36:75 -xplatform linux-neo-g++
 -arch arm -languages en_US -prefix /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia
 -extra-qtopiacore-config -qt-mouse-tslib -sound-system alsa -no-ssl -mkconf
 -make /usr/bin/gmake -no-save-options -make /usr/bin/gmake -using-mkconf
 -no-save-options
 ***
 
 
 This is the Qt Extended Open Source Edition.
 
 You are licensed to use this software under the terms of the GPL.
 Please see the file LICENSE.GPL for the licensing terms.
 
 Type 'yes' to accept this license offer.
 Type 'no' to decline this license offer.
 
 Do you accept this license agreement? yes
 
 Testing the system Qt: OK
 Qt Extended is using the following locations:
 Qt  PREFIX  = /usr
 Qt  LIBRARIES   = /usr/lib/qt4
 Qt  BINARIES= /usr/bin
 Qt  HEADERS = /usr/include/qt4
 Qt Embedded SOURCE tree = /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1/qtopiacore/qt
 Qt Embedded BUILD  tree = /opt/build/qtopiacore/target
 Qt Extended SOURCE tree = /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1
 Qt Extended BUILD  tree = /opt/build
 Qt Extended SDKtree = /opt/build/sdk
 
 Checking the compiler (host): OK (GCC 4, Little Endian)
 Checking the compiler (target): OK (GCC 4, Little Endian)
 Bootstrap QBuild: ... OK
 Testing QBuild: OK
 Testing for ALSA: OK
 Testing Qt Extended Media Engines: cruxus
 Checking QMAKE_RPATH: -Wl,-rpath-link,
 Testing for dynamic rotation: OK
 Testing DBUS: OK
 Checking for PAGE_SIZE and PAGE_MASK: MISSING
 

Re: [SPAM] Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4

2008-10-02 Thread Lorn Potter
Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
 On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:43:23 +0200
 Petr Vanek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

 No problem here. I reflashed previous QT snapshot 4.3 so i presume if
 you use kernel from 4.3 you are ready to go.

 unless...I was also looking at the services screen or what it's
 called in QT4.4 so i might have activated USB networking by an
 accident and it's kernel independent? Check it out anyways.

 
 hmmm ... I'm guessing that image isn't the official released one, too
 many bugs (old and new):
 
 - lots of kernel-warnings spit out during booting (using
 uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin from I believe the
 previous 4.3.x snapshot version). Or maybe this is a uimage issue?

yes, this has nothng to do with qtextended.

 - timezone management isn't working (the files just aren't there
 in /usr/share/timezone). Also the time itself can't be changed.
hmmm...
indeed. sorry. I will update with a new image.

 - echo problem is back

odd.

 - alarm keeps vibrating the phone, after pressing snooze
 - each received call arrives twice, causing the second call to show up
 as missed

also odd. I haven't seen this.

 
 The image is called 4.4.1, but my phone reports it as 4.4.2 ... I
 thought it was going to be 4.4.3?

Thats because its really a snapshot. which is just 4.4.1 + a few bug fixes.




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Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4

2008-10-02 Thread Lorn Potter
Vince M. Clark wrote:
 I switched a setting to make the menus do the wheel thing (didn't 
 realize what I was doing when I selected it) and now I cannot select 
 anything. Touchscreen doesn't respond to selection on the wheel. So now 
 I can't get to settings, apps, etc. Guess I'll re-flash.
 
 While I was able to get to apps I don't recall seeing the webkit browser 
 or a GPS app. Am I missing something?

They are there in the 4.4.1 image. gps is called mappingdemo.



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Re: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended ?

2008-09-30 Thread Lorn Potter
� wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 13:50, Marco Trevisan (Trevi�o)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is has been renamed to Qt Extended right now, isn't it?

 However there are some very interesting videos on the net [1]
 
 renamed indeed... I had not seen this before :
 http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/09/28/qt-extended/
 
 Hey Lorn... you did not post this info on this list ?
 Is that because of this : Changes in my job from Qtopia Community
 Liasion to Software Engineer ?... so we won't be in touch with you as
 often as before ?

Nope. I changed titles two years ago already! :)
Only difference is now I have two jobs to do - community _and_ engineering.


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Re: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released!

2008-09-30 Thread Lorn Potter
� wrote:
 C�dric Berger wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 13:50, Marco Trevisan (Trevi�o)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is has been renamed to Qt Extended right now, isn't it?

 However there are some very interesting videos on the net [1]
 renamed indeed... I had not seen this before :
 http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/09/28/qt-extended/
 
 Finally there are official news: Qt Extended 4.4 released [1]!
 
 Look at the many cool videos and see how the Freerunner works [2],
 but... Where are sources and binaries?

We usually release the open source packages a couple days after the 
commercial release.

They will be at the new site:
http://qtextended.org

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Re: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released!

2008-09-30 Thread Lorn Potter
Thomas Bertani wrote:
 wow! confirmed new features? gtalk, webbrowser, gps?
 In videos I can't see screen orientation, it is aviable?

Yes. dynamic rotation is available.

 
 Thanks a lot for your work!

no worries!

 
 2008/9/30 Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 � wrote:
   C�dric Berger wrote:
   On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 13:50, Marco Trevisan (Trevi�o)
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Is has been renamed to Qt Extended right now, isn't it?
  
   However there are some very interesting videos on the net [1]
   renamed indeed... I had not seen this before :
   http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/09/28/qt-extended/
  
   Finally there are official news: Qt Extended 4.4 released [1]!
  
   Look at the many cool videos and see how the Freerunner works [2],
   but... Where are sources and binaries?
 
 We usually release the open source packages a couple days after the
 commercial release.
 
 They will be at the new site:
 http://qtextended.org
 
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Re: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released!

2008-09-30 Thread Lorn Potter
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
 Lorn Potter wrote:
 I wrote:
 but... Where are sources and binaries?
 We usually release the open source packages a couple days after the 
 commercial release.

 They will be at the new site:
 http://qtextended.org

 As soon as I can. Hopefully by this weekend.
 
 Cool... Btw I've seen that there are also some commercial (premium)
 modules that could be integrated with Qtopia, also if they're not open
 source. Well, will be there a way to get the torch mobile browser, for
 example?

This is the full functionality Iris web browser. This was not developed by Qt 
Software. There is a 
simple example web browser in the qtextended sources. You would have to contact 
the premium module 
companies to find out if they are releasing a version for the Neo.

None of the 'premium' modules were developed by Qt Software. Qt Extended is 
fully dual licensed.

 According to its homepage, it shouldn't be free (as speech) but it seems
 at least freeware. I don't like too much these things, but it could be a
 good tool for who needs a better browser.
 
 Also the eZi keyboard seems quite pretty... :|
 
 
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 http://trolltech.com/products/device-creation/qt-extended/premium-modules/torch-mobile



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Re: Qtopia 4.4 ?

2008-09-26 Thread Lorn Potter
Russell Hay wrote:
 Keen to try the Qtopia 4.4 image if/when it's available - does anyone 
 have an outlook? There are comments going back to June/July saying 
 'coming soon'...

Only someone working in Qt Software. :)

4.4 is right around the corner.
It has dynamic rotation, webkit/example browser, a location API/example 
gps apps, Gtalk jabber thingy. and I cannot remember what else.

And something else that you'll have to read about when the announcement 
comes out.

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Re: (Some?) 3G support for Linux from Nokia - relevant for future models?

2008-09-17 Thread Lorn Potter
Mikko Rauhala wrote:
 Bumped into the following:
 http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/09/17/dr-ari-jaaksi-on-maemo-5/
 
 Relevantly Nokia is now Gold Sponsor of Linux Foundation, has
 contributed code today for 3G/HSPA cellular (data) connectivity for
 OMAP3 to Linux kernel
 
 I would interpret this as there being a free driver solution for 3G
 handset suitable chipsets now available, though perhaps I am missing
 some details? Good for 04 (you know, whenever) getting UMTS, one might
 hope?
 
 Personally I'll be loathe to buy Nokia products anyway, they're just way
 too inconsistent with their policies and have no commitment to free
 software whatsoever.

I would beg to differ. Trolltech is now part of Nokia, Qt and Qtopia 
certainly are open source and I can tell you for certain, we are 
committed to keeping them open source.

Nokia is also a patron of KDE.

Thats more than I can say about other phone manufacturers...


 But, if something good comes out of them, that's,
 well, good.

Maemo is quite good. That is pure Nokia. Qt and Qtopia are good, that is 
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Re: (Some?) 3G support for Linux from Nokia - relevant for future models?

2008-09-17 Thread Lorn Potter
Marcus Bauer wrote:
 On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 05:45 +1000, Lorn Potter wrote:
 I would beg to differ. Trolltech is now part of Nokia, Qt and Qtopia 
 certainly are open source and I can tell you for certain, we are 
 committed to keeping them open source.
 
 I wonder what your plans are for the phone stack? I doubt that you are
 going FSO? At least to me this is a big horror as is much of the
 Openmoko software development. It is just not clear what the other open
 source players are doing? The single most important piece is the gsmd
 with muxing capabilities and some kind of stable API. Next important
 part is the power management.
 
 Can you publically talk about where you are going?

Qtopia does not use gsmd, but has it's own gsm classes. Qtopia has 95% the 
needed parts for a 
workable phone. It has power management classes, as well. But the stableness 
and reliability of them 
depend on the underlying system to function properly.


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Re: 2008.8 default dialer crash on # or *

2008-09-17 Thread Lorn Potter
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:

 I've made a patch for it [1] and as you can see it works [2] :P, but I
 had no time yet to attach it to the trac (ehm, also because the other
 patches I've made to qtopia haven't been neither reviewed :|).

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Re: Qtopia and VOIP

2008-09-16 Thread Lorn Potter
Nicola Mfb wrote:
 I rebuilded Qtopia with -voip for the freerunner, but i cannot see 
 settings-voip. Any hint?

Sorry, voip had to be removed from Qtopia.

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Re: Qtopia and VOIP

2008-09-16 Thread Lorn Potter
JW wrote:
 2008/9/16 Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Sorry, voip had to be removed from Qtopia.
 Something to do with Nokia's wider commercial interests/partnerships?
 No, something to do with Nokia's more vigilant attorneys.
 
 
 Hi lorn,
 
 what other features have been removed or are under threat since Nokia joined 
 the
 table?[question suitable for a software engineer...]
 
 why do Nokia view VOIP as legally dodgy? [question not suitable for a software
 engineer but still relevant to Qtopia's status within the FOSS community so
 perhaps one of your lawyers could answer?]

It's not voip itself they think is dodgy.

http://www.qtopia.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=51

We are looking at other voip/sip stacks for future integration, to replace the 
missing one.
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Re: FSO/ASU not registering on the Australian Vodafone GSM network

2008-09-16 Thread Lorn Potter
W.Kenworthy wrote:
 On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 13:11 +1000, Sarton O'Brien wrote:
 On Wednesday 17 September 2008 13:00:31 W.Kenworthy wrote:
 On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 12:37 +1000, Sarton O'Brien wrote:
 On Tuesday 16 September 2008 19:22:59 Dale Maggee wrote:
 ...
 Query - is there anything you do to get the pin dialog up?  Have the
 dialler onscreen? - or just let it boot and it comes up automaticly?
 It coincides with starting X. Usually a /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart is 
 enough (or qpe restart?).

 I'm not sure if it will reprompt if the pin has already been entered 
 successfully however.

 Sarton

 
 Good hint! - restarting X and it asked for the sim (why doesnt it ask on 
 bootup?)

might be because the Calypso modem in the FR is very slow to wake up and 
respond to initial 
commands. As well, it tends to fall asleep.

 
 And I was able to connect and check voicemail! So at least its usable,
 now I have to figure out where the problem is.
 
 Thanks everyone for putting me on the right track (set pin, restart X).
 
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Re: Qtopia-core look consistency

2008-09-12 Thread Lorn Potter
Nicola Mfb wrote:
 My applications has different looks on pc/qt4, on qvfb/i686fb, and on 
 the Freerunner with official qtopia.

It will depend on theme used, screen resolution and dpi.
Use the ficgta01 skin and the finxi theme to mimic what is default for 
the Neo.

Qtopia has its own themes, lok and feel, so straight qt apps will look 
out of place.


 The last has a lot of problems on a QGraphicsScene/QGraphicsView, broken 
 painterpaths, no rounded edges, no antialiasing, weird fonts, bad 
 collision detection and so on.
 I'd like to know the exact src tarball used to build qtopia for the 
 Freerunner and the configure command line, hoping that using it to build 
 my SDK will give me the same results. Actually, infact, i'm trying to 
 debug on the device directly (as only there i have problems!), but it's 
 a real pain! I was not able to have a qemu-1973 with qtopia too.

ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/snapshots/qtopia-opensource-src-4.3.2-snapshot-20080912.tar.gz

You can either grab the ficgta02 sdk iso, or the toolchain. But I havent 
updated the toolchain with the gstreamer and ssl includes and libs, yet. 
(these can easily be configured out by editing the 
devices/ficgta01/configure file and removing gstreamer and -ssl argument.

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Re: Qtopia-core look consistency

2008-09-12 Thread Lorn Potter
Nicola Mfb wrote:
 
 [...]
 So there is a problem in qtopia/arm or i'm missing again somethink.
 This is the reason why i asked you how should i do to have
 consistency beetween the two SDK (arm - x86). Howewer i installed my
 built /opt/Qtopia on the Freerunner to be sure i used the same
 toolkit, but the problems are the same.
 
 
 Hi Lorn! after a two day headache i finally found the problem. In 
 Qtopiacore for arm qreal is a float while in i686fb qreal is double.
 I defined qreal as a float on i686 and recompiled it, and now i have the 
 same paint horror on the desktop :)
 The following is a snippet that you can use to show how is simple to 
 break a QPainterPath rendering in a QGraphicsScene/QGraphicsView:
 
 #include QtopiaApplication
 #include QGraphicsView
 #include QGraphicsScene
 #include QGraphicsPathItem
 
 int main ( int argc, char *argv[] )
 {
 qDebug ( sizeof qreal is %d,sizeof ( qreal ) );
 
 QtopiaApplication app ( argc, argv );
 QGraphicsScene *qgs = new QGraphicsScene;
 QGraphicsView *qgv = new QGraphicsView ( qgs );
 qgv-showMaximized();
 
 QPainterPath *qpp = new QPainterPath;
 
 qpp-moveTo ( 18164355,12559962 );
 qpp-lineTo ( 18164319,12560006 );
 qpp-lineTo ( 18164273,12560058 );
 qpp-lineTo ( 18164262,12560068 );
 qpp-lineTo ( 18164253,12560074 );
 qpp-lineTo ( 18164242,12560080 );
 qpp-lineTo ( 18164232,12560085 );
 qpp-lineTo ( 18164222,12560093 );
 qpp-lineTo ( 18164221,12560106 );
 qpp-lineTo ( 18164224,12560112 );
 qpp-lineTo ( 18164231,12560113 );
 qpp-lineTo ( 18164239,12560112 );
 
 QGraphicsPathItem *p=new QGraphicsPathItem ( *qpp );
 QPen pen ( Qt::white );
 //pen.setWidthF(1.0); //UNCOMMENTING THIS BREAKS PAINTING
 p-setPen ( pen );
 qgs-addItem ( p );
 
 QRect r ( 18164355-qgv-width() /2,12559962-qgv-height() 
 /2,qgv-width(),qgv-height() );
 qgv-setSceneRect ( r );
 
 return app.exec();
 }
 
 Run it twice toggling the pen.setWidthF line comment and you'll se wath 
 i'm saying.
 
 Hoping this may help, i'd like to follow/contribute to further 
 investigation on a bug tracking system, is there one for qtopia?

Yes there is. I think this would be a good one. thanks
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Re: QTopia 4.3.3 doesn't suspend at first

2008-09-09 Thread Lorn Potter
Thomas Bertani wrote:
 
 
 2008/9/9 Jean-Eric Cuendet [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Hi,
 I installed the last image from Lorn of QTopia 4.3.3
 I have a problem: when I start it, it seems like if QTopia thinks
 the FR is powered by USB, so it doesn't go to sleep after 30 seconds.
 If I plug it to USB, it then detects the cable (the screen
 brightness is higher).
 If I unplug it, it detects now that it's unplugged (the screen
 brightness is lower). And after that, it suspends after 30 seconds.
 
 So I think that at first boot, QTopia thinks it's connected to USB
 while it is not. And all becomes well after plug/unplug from USB.
 Where is the status of the plug/unplug stored?
 Have someone an idea where to look to debug?
 This is easily reproducible on my FR.
 Lorn?
 
 Thanks.
 -jec
 
 
 
 This appends also for me... same thing
 

fyi, this has been fixed in 4.4


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Re: Trolltech Qtopia (not X11) on 2008.8 base rootfs

2008-09-09 Thread Lorn Potter
Cédric Berger wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 00:29, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 do /opt/Nokia/Qtopia/qpe.sh start
 or ln -s /etc/init.d/qpe.sh /etc/rc5.d/S98qpe.sh
 to make it start up automatically on boot. (dont forget to remove the link 
 in /etc/rc5.d to xserver-nodm

 
 Thanks.
 
 But I still can't get it start : it goes to the empty screen with
 blinking cursor at top, and stays stucked here.
 Where should I look for a log of what is happening ?

You can run qtopia form the console (ssh).
just do this:

source /opt/Nokia/Qtopia/qpe.env
qpe


and this will most likely tell you whats up.

Btw, is this on gta01?


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Re: Trolltech Qtopia (not X11) on 2008.8 base rootfs

2008-09-09 Thread Lorn Potter
Cédric Berger wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 23:09, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Ok thanks, this way I could get the error message :

 qpe: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot
 open shared object file: No such file or directory

 
 So I just did an opkg install libstdc++6 and qpe could finally start:-)

yes, g++ now has the silly notion that it needs to link libstdc++ to everything 
it compiles, even if 
it does not need it like Qt and Qtopia.
There is a configure argument to turn off this silliness (when configuring 
g++), but I forget what 
it is. Some toolchains g++ automatically link in libstdc++ for 'you' and some 
do not. Any toolchain 
from OE will exhibit this behavior (since it is g++ default mode).





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Re: Trolltech Qtopia (not X11) on 2008.8 base rootfs

2008-09-08 Thread Lorn Potter
Cédric Berger wrote:
 I would like to be able to install Trolltech's Qtopia on top of a
 fresh distro such as the latest testing 2008.8 base distro.
 
 For now I mostly use qtopia distro form qtopia.net
 The rootfs released by qtopia.net can't opkg upgrade. It uses
 buildhost, not available anymore.
 
 
 I could not find what is needed to have Qtopia work on a given rootfs ?
 
 So far, I just tried installing /opt/Nokia/Qtopia/ stuff on 2008.8
 base (from http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/ ),
 then (after a /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop ), launching
 /opt/Nokia/Qtopia/qpe.sh(or putting it in /etc/init.d/ and
 rebooting).

do /opt/Nokia/Qtopia/qpe.sh start
or ln -s /etc/init.d/qpe.sh /etc/rc5.d/S98qpe.sh
to make it start up automatically on boot. (dont forget to remove the link in 
/etc/rc5.d to xserver-nodm

 
 It did not work (stays on empty screen with cursor only)
 
 Do I have to put something more in /home/root ? Or elsewhere ?
 Disable something more in 2008.8 ?
 
 Once this work, what I would be cool is to be able to quickly switch
 beetween 2008.8 X11 stuff and Qtopia framebuffer based stuff :
 2 scripts, one to do the stop X11 server and some services then aunch
 qpe,  and one for the other way around.
 Is it as easy as it looks ?
 
 This would replace what I do now : shutdown then reboot on another 
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Re: [qtopia] Does qtopia desktop work with freerunner?

2008-09-06 Thread Lorn Potter
Kieran Fleming wrote:
 Lorn,
 Could you perhaps point us in the direction of this program? I haven't
 been able to find it myself, and I worry it's one of those Trolltech
 secrets :)

Yes. So far it hasn't been released. I will see what I can do.


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Re: [qtopia] Does qtopia desktop work with freerunner?

2008-09-05 Thread Lorn Potter
Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano wrote:
 Vinc Duran ha scritto:
 On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 16:30, Kieran Fleming
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Lorn,
   Could you perhaps point us in the direction of this program? I
 haven't
   been able to find it myself, and I worry it's one of those Trolltech
   secrets :)
  

 I think it is a commercial plugin for Outlook (must search on
 Trolltech site...)


 I would pay a reasonable amount :-)


 
 Qtopia is using a new protocol or an existing one like SyncML or another 
 one? If it's new there are some infos/sources so that someone can write 
 a plugin to sync his evolution or thunderbird with freerunner?
 
 It's only a question

Its all documented.

http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/qtopiadesktop/overviews.html
http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/qtopiadesktop/tasks.html

But qdsync (qtopiadesktop) is not included in the open source package.



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Re: [qtopia] Does qtopia desktop work with freerunner?

2008-09-04 Thread Lorn Potter
dorje wrote:
 Hi all!
 
 I installed Qtopia Desktop but I cannot connect to the freerunner.
 The message is:
 
 Could not connect to the Qtopia device.
 
 I can connect to my freerunner via ssh and I put the correct
 IP address on Qtopia Desktop settings.
 
 Is Qtopia Desktop supposed to work with the freerunner?

Qtopia Desktop is for Qtopia 2. and probably works with Opie. But not 
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Re: [qtopia] Does qtopia desktop work with freerunner?

2008-09-04 Thread Lorn Potter
Thomas Bertani wrote:
 
 
 2008/9/4 dorje [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   Qtopia Desktop is for Qtopia 2. and probably works with Opie. But not
   Qtopia 4 as on the Freerunner.
 
 
 Are you sure? and so what is the sync mode aviable in the qtopia fr menu?Yes.

I am quite sure.

The 'Synchronization' app in Qtopia 4 uses 'Sync Agent' to sync with 
Microsoft Outlook. It is not compatible with Qtopia Desktop from Qtopia 2.
 
http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/qtopiadesktop/over-desktop-synchronization-1.html

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Re: Qtopia on Freerunner: Firsts steps of a newbee

2008-09-04 Thread Lorn Potter
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Anyway, from where have you got this information?
 
 From the fact that only files in /media/card are shown in the media
 player. I think it's called try and error in english.

/media/card/ and ~/Documents/

Use the Storage.conf file to add other directories to scan.

And it is documented:
http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/syscust-docstorage.html

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Re: qtopia update

2008-09-03 Thread Lorn Potter
Victor Chernyshev wrote:
 Hi Lorn,
 
 any plans to create similar snapshot for gta01?

The qtopia update will work for both gta01 and gta02 and use the exact 
same binaries. The 'flash' files will be separate for obvious reasons.


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Re: AT%N0187 openmoko echo patch?

2008-09-01 Thread Lorn Potter
Florian Hackenberger wrote:
 On Monday 01 September 2008, Dietmar Friede wrote:
 Hi,

 where is the AT%N command documented?
 Officially: nowhere, they seem to be under an NDA. There was a post 
 stating the commands from a user under [1].

They certainly are not in our copy of the calypso spec's that we got 
directly from TI. If it is, I must be missing it, and haven't found it.

 
 Are there more magic AT-commands?
 Very likely, yes.
 
 What does the value 0187 mean?
 The only thing I know about it is 'Enable AEC and Noise reduction', 
 which is the response you get from the phone if you send the command.
 
 As OM currently does not seem to have the resources (or motivation as 
 there are more pressing problems) to improve the echo situation it 
 maybe useful if someone from the community could sign an NDA with TI. 
 Maybe OM could help on this front (establishing communication with TI)?
 
 [1] 
 http://n2.nabble.com/calypso-hardware-echo-suppression--tp784752p786187.html
 


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Re: Logs

2008-09-01 Thread Lorn Potter
Jean-Eric Cuendet wrote:
 Hi,
 Where to get the system log files?
 My FR boots OK, but stops when wanting to start the Xserver. How to 
 debug that?

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Re: AT%N0187 openmoko echo patch?

2008-09-01 Thread Lorn Potter
Jim Morris wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Cesar Eduardo Barros wrote:
 NeilBrown escreveu:
   
 On Mon, September 1, 2008 6:59 pm, Yorick Moko wrote:
 
 On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
   
 They certainly are not in our copy of the calypso spec's that we got
 directly from TI. If it is, I must be missing it, and haven't found it.
 
 But couldn't both of those have been documented? And if they have not 
 been, might be classed as incompetent. They are after all just part of 
 the modem instruction set.

 To not release the entire lot is a bit lame.

 
 Using an undocumented feature in a chip is very dangerous. Minor changes to 
 the fab, even though the 
 chip has the same number may change or remove that undocumented feature that 
 the phones now rely on.
 
 If this is going to be adopted in builds, then someone at OM needs to get TI 
 to officially support 
 that feature so that it does not disappear later.

If it disappears later, we do have the source and can simply remove the 
additions. As well, it is 
not going to hurt because the modem would just respond with an error and move 
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qtopia update

2008-09-01 Thread Lorn Potter
I have updated qtopia at qtopia.net

Fixes include sms messages not retrieved after resume. Qtopia getting confused 
between two calls. 
Make default call volume down and mic up (only in flash update). Added echo fix.


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Re: qtopia update

2008-09-01 Thread Lorn Potter
Vince M. Clark wrote:
 Lorn - this is great, thanks. Any idea when a 4.4 version will be released?


Yes, but I cannot say. soon...


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Re: qtopia update

2008-09-01 Thread Lorn Potter
Sarton O'Brien wrote:
 Hi Lorn,
 
 On Tuesday 02 September 2008 10:30:14 Lorn Potter wrote:
 I have updated qtopia at qtopia.net

 Fixes include sms messages not retrieved after resume. Qtopia getting
 confused between two calls. Make default call volume down and mic up (only
 in flash update). Added echo fix.


 Enjoy!
 
 I think Qtopia is great but admittedly removed it after less than a day due 
 to 
 there being now browser available.
 
 I would really like to use Qtopia, can you suggest a method of obtaining a 
 functional browser for Qtopia?

wait for 4.4

 
 If this is a trolltech obscurity thing then so be it, I'll happily stick with 
 what I'm using but thought I'd ask first.

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Re: GsmBluetooth state file for gta02

2008-08-31 Thread Lorn Potter
Jim Morris wrote:
 Cesar Eduardo Barros wrote:
 Jim Morris escreveu:
 One thing that may help, is if someone could provide a mapping of the 
 wolfson registers as documented in the WM8753L pdf to the alsa 
 controls. Someone had to have written the code that twiddles the 
 registers in that chip, and would know which also control matches 
 which register.
 That would be sound/soc/codecs/wm8753.c and 
 sound/soc/s3c24xx/neo1973_gta02_wm8753.c on the kernel source code. Take 
 a look:

 http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=blob;f=sound/soc/codecs/wm8753.c;hb=stable
  

 http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=blob;f=sound/soc/s3c24xx/neo1973_gta02_wm8753.c;hb=stable
  


 The mapping is there, you only have to find out how it's described.

 
 Thanks for the pointers. Thats 2,000 lines of code that is about as clear as 
 mud! (and I've written 
 audio drivers before).
 
 There is no mention of Bluetooth in these drivers, and no indication how to 
 switch into bluetooth mode.
 
 Obviously gta01 was very different, and it is not even clear that the 
 gsmbluetooth.state even worked 
 on a gta01, at least I've never seen any gta01 user claim they had it working.

bluetooth audio on the gta01 will never work, even with that bluetooth 
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Re: QTopia 4.3.2 resume on incomming SMS bug

2008-08-31 Thread Lorn Potter
Thomas B. wrote:
 On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 11:16:14AM +0200, Clemens Kirchgatterer wrote:
 Daniel Selinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The only thing i recognized is, when receiving an sms while in
 suspend, the phone resumes, but doesn't notify me about an incoming
 sms, and when i go to the messaging app, there is nothing new in the
 inbox. In fact i know 'something' arrived, because the phone woke up
 from suspend.

 All messages which were received during suspend 'arrive' when the
 first sms comes in while the phone is awake.

 Sent 3 sms during suspend (always waited between until the phone
 suspended again), no alert. Wake the phone up manually, no alert.
 Send the first sms while awake. Phone alerts me that i have received 4
 new sms messages.

 Maybe someone can tell me where to report bugs in the QTopia image.
 this sounds awully like:

 https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1792

 hope this helps.
 
 Sounds similar, but I doubt that it is the same issue, because #1792 was
 caused by an Openmoko specific patch to the Qtopia source, which
 probably isn't included in the original Qtopia.
 
 Anyway, a hint for diagnosing this problem is to get log data to see how
 and where it fails. I guess logging isn't enabled by default in Qtopia,
 but AFAIK it can be enabled by copying
 /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Log.conf to
 ~/Settings/Trolltech/Log.conf and enabling some logging options there
 (in particular AtChat for the communication with the GSM modem). The
 logs can then be read with logread.

zecke:
The fix for this seems to be this:

 //depot/qtopia/4.3/src/libraries/qtopiacomm/serial/qatchat.cpp#6 (text) 


859c859,865
 qLog(AtChat)  W :  d-line;
---
  // Notifications are still processed in case an important 
  event
  // like an incoming SMS arrives during the wakeup process.
  QString command;
  if ( d-matcher-lookup( d-line, command ) == 
  QPrefixMatcher::Notification )
  qLog(AtChat)  d-notifyChar  :  d-line;
  else
  qLog(AtChat)  W :  d-line;




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Re: QtGps for Trolltechs Qtopia

2008-08-30 Thread Lorn Potter
Aaron Sowry wrote:
 On Fri, 2008-08-29 at 11:48 -0700, Jim Morris wrote:
 Radek Barton( wrote:
 Do anyone have compiled package for share? Otherwise I would need to make 
 one 
 just to try an application :-). Thanks.

 Yes if you go to the blog, and download the tar file, there is an executable 
 called qtgps, you just 
 copy that to your FR, and run it on the FR.

 http://blog.wolfman.com/articles/2008/08/27/porting-xgps-to-qtopia-for-the-freerunner
 http://blog.wolfman.com/files/qtgps.tar.gz

 
 I get this:
 
 # ./qtgps 
 ./qtgps: error while loading shared libraries: libQtSvg.so.4: cannot
 open shared object file: No such file or directory


do:
source /opt/Qtopia/qpe.env
or
/opt/Nokia/Qtopia/qpe.env before trying to run any Qtopia applications 
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