Re: QtMaze - Mokomaze 0.2 for Qt Extended

[Lorn Potter]

ext Fabio Locati wrote:
> Thank you ANT :)
> I have now the phone away (they are putting the buzz fix and the bass
> fix). As soon as it will come back, I'll test it again :)
> 
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 12:04 PM, ANT wrote:
>> Fabio Locati wrote:
>>> I compiled it but when I try to exec it, it returns "QtMaze was
>>> terminated due to application error."
>> The only thing that can cause the error is changed path to data files
>> (.json). Now the game checks only _local_ directory "etc/qtmaze/". I suppose
>> that after embedding the game into image, .json files must appear in
>> /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/etc/qtmaze/ directory. But it seems that
>> /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/ is not a "current directory" for the game, so
>> "etc/qtmaze/" can't be found. It is needed to know where data files are
>> really placed, and patch some lines of a code to search for them there. OR
>> data files can be built into game's executable as a resources, but it is
>> worse.

Qtopia::qtopiaDir() is base directory where Qtopia files are installed.

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Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12

[Lorn Potter]

On 2/6/09 6:22 PM, Goffi wrote:

Le mardi 2 juin 2009 05:50:45, Lorn Potter a écrit :
   

Goffi wrote:
This would require someone to translate the ~3000 strings in Qtopia, and
then configure it with that language enabled and then install that
language.
 


It is not possible to have an option just for the dict ?


Well, anything is possible given the right amount of time and developers.
:)

The translation of
the 3000 strings would take some time and the dicts are already in the sources
! IMO it's not a big deal for most users to have the interface in english, but
the dictionary is more important.
Anyway, by copying the french file over the en_US ones, it works (it's just a
little less handy than a compilation option).

Cheers
Goffi
   


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Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12

[Lorn Potter]

Goffi wrote:
> Thank you for all the great work ! I compile your git branch regularly and it 
> works very well, it's my main distro for daily telephony (I keep an eye on 
> OM2009 too ;) ).
> 
> I have some questions/remarks:
> 
> - I didn't found any option for sms delivery receipt, will QTEi have this 
> option in the future ? It would be really handy :)
> 
> - There is a french dictionary in the sources, but not activable during the 
> configure (only en_US is available). I cheat by copying french dict on en_US 
> files, but an option for other languages would be greatly appreciated (phone 
> key are IMHO unusable with a foreigner dictionary).

This would require someone to translate the ~3000 strings in Qtopia, and 
then configure it with that language enabled and then install that language.

> It would be very perfect to have the choice of the dict language when we use 
> phone keys.

Currently there is no way to do this, other than installing a new 
language and using it.
> 
> - I my knowledge, it is not possible to change the volume during a call, it 
> would be nice to add a slider.

There is, but it is rather difficult. (during a call) Settings->Call 
Options->Call Volume. But it doesn't currently remember this setting.

> I found the sound a little weak in the speaker, it's difficult to hear 
> somebody 
> in a noisy environment, is it possible to do a software boost ? I have 
> already 
> put 127 in control 4 of  /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state, but 
> it's not enough.
> 
> - The alarm don't seem to awake the phone in deep sleep (need some tests: I 
> will try again and fill a bug report)
> 

known bug. patches welcome. :)

> - sometime when I look into my sim's contacts, there is nothing (but 
> everything is ok most of time)
> 
> - I have followed manually the instructions of the script when I have 
> installed my own compiled QTEi version, but for the bluetooth everything is 
> commented, and I can't install anything related to bluetooth with opkg ("opkg 
> search bluetooth" give nothing, "opkg install bluez-audio" says there is not 
> package of this name), so my BT is not working :( .
> It's not a big deal since I have usb cable, but I'd like to save my contacts, 
> and sending vcards via BT is a solution.
> 
> Anyway everything is very usable, again thanks to you and the other devs for 
> all the work.
> I have no time for the moment, but I'd like to install a dev environment to 
> give some help in the future :).
> 
> Cheers,
> Goffi
> 
> On lundi 1 juin 2009 21:02:29 Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
>> (install instructions and script updated on 2090601: see below)
>>
>> It's been a while, but we haven't been sleeping :-)
>>
>> New website:
>> 
>> We have a new website now, thanks to Fale: http://www.qtmoko.org
>> There you can find all the latest changes, report bugs, etc ...
>>
>> IRC channel:
>> 
>> For those wanting to talk: on irc.freenode.net, channel #qtopia is open
>> for business.
>>
>> Things solved/added/changed:
>> 
>> See http://www.qtmoko.org/wiki/Change_log
>> See http://github.com/liedekef/qtmoko/commits/master for the changelog
>> in detail
>>
>> Problems found (more like small nuisances now):
>> ===
>> See http://www.qtmoko.org
>> - if you set the time back to something in the past, the clock service
>>   crashes and you need to restart qtextended if you want to use the
>>   clock again
>> - bluetooth is not working totally ok, only after initial boot it
>>   works, not after suspend/resume. Seems to be kernel/bluez3 version
>>   combo issue ... After suspend/resume bluetooth seems to work, but
>>   receiving files for sure doesn't.
>> - if you try to delete the "Wireless Lan", the system crashes ... cool
>>   huh, a crashed phone? So for now: don't do it :-)
>> - slow building up of the Contacts, because of all the sql queries for
>>   a*, b*, c*, ...
>>
>> Install instructions:
>> =
>> download the script
>> http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/qtmoko_install.sh , read the
>> comments at the top and then execute the script on your openmoko (after
>> having flashed the device and made sure internet works).
>> The script has 2 options: "install" or "update". An update will just
>> download the tgz file and replace your current qtmoko with it.
>>
>> For those who just want to replace thei

Re: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono)

[Lorn Potter]

Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> (Private note: I have this strange sense of Deja Vu :-), although it's been a 
> long time since we had this argument :-)
> 
> On Tuesday 12 May 2009 02:56:12 Lorn Potter wrote:
>> Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
>>> Yeah,
>>>
>>> that's pretty sad. They should have picked FSO or even Pyneo or at least
>>> something that is already in development for quite a while. This way it
>>> looks like NIH syndrome.
>> kettle calling the pot black...
>> I always thought one of open source's strengths was choice.
> 
> What sounds like an asset is a liability thanks to fragmentation. I'd rather 
> chose among few great options than lots of medicre ones.
> 
>>> Until now, trying to co-work with these guys typically went like "yeah,
>>> you can take our APIs, if you want. No, we don't want to look at yours,
>>> thanks.".
>> This is partly due to the fact that they planned the roadmap forward in
>> years, not weeks or months, not to mention the waterfall development style
>> they are probably using.
>>
>> It might have been developed internally for quite some time before this.
> 
> Which doesn't make me more confident in their ability to shape the platform 
> APIs _together_ with the application developers as opposed to merely impose 
> it 
> on them. If it continues to be like that, FSO has a bright life.
> 
>>> In contrast to that, FSO rather embraces application developer's
>>> requests.
>>>
>>> Lets see what happens this time.
>> You tell me, is Nokia opening up and really embracing open source?
>> http://qt.gitorious.org/qt
> 
> That's Qt and they have inherited this style from Trolltech.

But it isn't "Trolltech" that gave the "ok" for this to go ahead. Nokia had to 
sign off on it too.


> 
> The way Nokia has developed Maemo it was always about take it or leave it the 
> way it is. 

True. But Nokia is paranoid about patents and copyrights and licenses and such 
things. Which might
explain one reason why this has been true.

> 
> Open source does not necessarily mean an open development process, you should 
> know that better than me :)

I think that most open source projects have a rather closed development process.


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Re: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono)

[Lorn Potter]

On 12/05/2009, at 3:04 PM, max wrote:

> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:09 AM, max  wrote:
>> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Lorn Potter  
>>  wrote:
>>> max wrote:
>>>> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Lorn Potter  
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> Levy wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 20:08, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> Yeah,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that's pretty sad. They should have picked FSO or even Pyneo  
>>>>>>> or at least
>>>>>>> something that is already in development for quite a while.  
>>>>>>> This way it looks
>>>>>>> like NIH syndrome.
>>>>>> Someone is trying to make they use Pyneo on #ofone channel  
>>>>>> right now.
>>>>>
>>>>> I seriously doubt Nokia would ever have python on a Symbian  
>>>>> device, especially on S40.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Actually, Nokia is quite pro-Python. Check out these links for  
>>>> more info.
>>>>
>>>> http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/pythonfors60/
>>>> http://wiki.opensource.nokia.com/projects/PyS60_extensions
>>>
>>> Let me rephrase that then. I doubt Nokia will ever ship python on  
>>> a Symbian device.
>>> Just because someone started an open source project within Nokia,  
>>> doesn't mean it will ship in a
>>> product.
>>>
>>
>
> Actually, the S60 All-in-one SDKs seems to support Python development
> (officially). So I don't feel Py60 should be seen just as another open
> source project started by someone within Nokia.
>
> (Source: 
> http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/ec866fab-4b76-49f6-b5a5-af0631419e9c/S60_All_in_One_SDKs.html)
>
> Coming back to the topic, personally, I feel the FSO interface should
> have been adopted. D-Bus based APIs? OFono seems to be an alternate
> standard to what FSO already established. While choice is good when it
> comes to implementations, too much "choice" in interfaces/standards,
> fragments the community, and much productivity is lost in duplicating
> stuff.

Except we all know that python is not the direction Nokia is currently  
taking.

Quite possibly OFono was started development before FSO. and besides,  
OFono doesn't use python.



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Re: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono)

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max wrote:
> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Lorn Potter  wrote:
>> Levy wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 20:08, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
>>>  wrote:
>>>> Yeah,
>>>>
>>>> that's pretty sad. They should have picked FSO or even Pyneo or at least
>>>> something that is already in development for quite a while. This way it 
>>>> looks
>>>> like NIH syndrome.
>>> Someone is trying to make they use Pyneo on #ofone channel right now.
>>
>> I seriously doubt Nokia would ever have python on a Symbian device, 
>> especially on S40.
>>
> 
> Actually, Nokia is quite pro-Python. Check out these links for more info.
> 
> http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/pythonfors60/
> http://wiki.opensource.nokia.com/projects/PyS60_extensions

Let me rephrase that then. I doubt Nokia will ever ship python on a Symbian 
device.
Just because someone started an open source project within Nokia, doesn't mean 
it will ship in a
product.

> 
> Btw, an S60 device runs on the Symbian OS. An S40 device does not.

I stand corrected.

> 
> ( Btw, Nokia is pro-Ruby as well :-) . However, Ruby on Symbian is not
> as mature as Py60 is. Read more at:
> http://developer.symbian.com/main/community/open_source_projects/ruby/index.jsp
> )
> 
> - Ajith Hussain,
> Senior Software Engineer, Devices R&D, Nokia
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Re: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono)

[Lorn Potter]

Levy wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 20:08, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
>  wrote:
>> Yeah,
>>
>> that's pretty sad. They should have picked FSO or even Pyneo or at least
>> something that is already in development for quite a while. This way it looks
>> like NIH syndrome.
> 
> Someone is trying to make they use Pyneo on #ofone channel right now.


I seriously doubt Nokia would ever have python on a Symbian device, especially 
on S40.


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Re: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono)

[Lorn Potter]

Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> Yeah,
> 
> that's pretty sad. They should have picked FSO or even Pyneo or at least 
> something that is already in development for quite a while. This way it looks 
> like NIH syndrome.

kettle calling the pot black...
I always thought one of open source's strengths was choice.


> Until now, trying to co-work with these guys typically went like "yeah, you 
> can take our APIs, if you want. No, we don't want to look at yours, thanks.". 

This is partly due to the fact that they planned the roadmap forward in years, 
not weeks or months,
not to mention the waterfall development style they are probably using.

It might have been developed internally for quite some time before this.

> 
> In contrast to that, FSO rather embraces application developer's requests.
> 
> Lets see what happens this time.

You tell me, is Nokia opening up and really embracing open source?
http://qt.gitorious.org/qt


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Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 11

[Lorn Potter]

On 04/05/2009, at 11:01 PM, leonardo wrote:

> Franky Van Liedekerke ha scritto:
>> * contact management:
>>  - I don't like it when SIM contacts get merged invisible, so I want
>> SIM contact import to be optional (and maybe also a SIM export should
>> exist as option)
>>  - the building of the contact list is slow (because of too many SQL
>> statements)
>> * bluetooth: 2.6.28 kernels like bluez4, QtE doesn't ...
>> * keyboard: now that the keyboard prediction can be turned off, it is
>> already much more usable, but still needs a lot of "dragging
>> left/right/up/down" to make a real sentence with punctuation and
>> stuff. So some extra buttons and rearranging of existing ones would  
>> be
>> nice ...
>
> Moro Franky,
> there is another issue that drives me crazy sometimes. If you have two
> numbers for the same person and you want to send an SMS you have to
> choose the person from the contact list before you write the SMS.  
> Else,
> when you chose the person from the list it automatically gets chosen  
> the
> first one (which in general is the home number...).

The order of numbers on a new contact is this:

Mobile, Home

But listed on the details page as this:
Home
Mobile.

When I tested this, and created a new sms, I got the Mobile number.


> It is really
> annoying because you write the whole SMS and then you throw it away
> because you can't choose the number.
>
> This is a regression from Qtopia where it was possible to choose among
> the addresses.
>
> It's in my to-do list after the visual feedback on the keyboard.

Having to choose would add a few more clicks to actually sending an sms.
But, being able to choose between "business mobile" and "mobile" might  
mean the difference between a won contract and a kick in the pants.


>
> ciao,
> leonardo.
>
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Re: [QT Extended Improved] GPS Mapping Demo

[Lorn Potter]

On 27/04/2009, at 5:14 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Fabio Locati  
>  wrote:
>> What about looking into SHR or other openmoko distro to copy the
>> compile options of SDL?
>>
>> I think SDL is a needed instrument, because it would allow the  
>> support
>> of many applications that are not supported by Qt Extended because
>> they need X.
>>
>> In any ways, I'll try to look into it as soon as I'll have time, but
>> if someone want to do it before...he/she is completely welcome.
>
> The problem is that we have tu use a framebuffer, and they can rely on
> a X-server ...
> I see that it is possible to compile SDL in, have you tried that yet?
>


SDL was 'ported' to Qtopia 2, with a little work, it could be 'ported'  
to qt 4.

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Re: [QtEI] LODI file

[Lorn Potter]

Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:54:31 +0200
> Fabio Locati  wrote:
> 
>> Is these 800 and some Kb really useful? It seems not updated and,
>> maybe, not useful... what do you think about this file?
>>
> 
> dunno, never cared about that LODI file :-)

LODI stands for List Of Deliverable Items, which is a list of all the files in 
the package.

It was used by the trolltech release manager. It's safe to remove.

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Re: [QtExtended] Delete all contacts on sim/export to sim/import from sim

[Lorn Potter]

On 24/4/09 10:53 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> it seems qtextended by default imports all contacts from SIM (wether
> or not you want it). If the contact was already in the addressbook
> (like in my case: I first imported my VCF file), it tries to merge the
> two, but this sometimes fails (mostly because the name is shorter on
> the sim than on the phone).
> End result: 2 contacts in the list with the same number, but one with
> a shorter name ...
> Even the logic for updating the SIM is flawed: I have 200 contacts on
> SIM (the maximum here), and these get imported. But when I try to edit
> a contact that's imported from SIM, I get a warning that the SIM is
> full and the contact can't be saved on the SIM, even though the
> contact is on the SIM (this can be a simple bug, though).
>
> So my question is: can I prevent this automatic import from SIM
> contacts (make it optional via a config file or so)? Or is there a way
> to delete all contacts on the SIM via the qtextended interface (I
> might have overlooked something)?
> Ideally, I would have 2 options: "export all to sim", "import all from
> sim". No intelligent logic when a contact gets updated, that the SIM
> needs updating as well ...
> I don't care about merging and stuff, and my current SonyEricsson P900
> does it like that as well :-)
>
>
>
I believe 4.2 used to be like that, with a menu entry for sim 
import/export, but someone thought that too convenient.

Please add to trak and I can look at reimplementing this, as it really 
bugs me too.



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Re: [QtExtended] gstreamer question

[Lorn Potter]

On 23/04/2009, at 4:00 AM, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> in qtextended, there are different kind of media engines:
>
> - helix
> - cruxus
> - gstreamer
>
> cruxus is the default, and using the libmad patch, it can play mp3's
> But what's the advantage of gstreamer support? If I compile it in, has
> it priority over cruxus if gstreamer libs are on the device?

depends on how it is ordered in the .pri/o file, first one in the list  
gets priority.


> And if gstreamer is installed, can I then just play mp3's (using the
> correct codecs) without the libmad patch?

Yes, if you have the correct gstreamer plugin(s) installed.
There are some performance problems with gstreamer though...
mp3 should be ok.

> I don't think helix is of any use anymore ...
>

It is, but the public source has not been updated, and no one can  
distribute it without a license besides.
:)


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Re: [Qtei] Which IDE for Development?

[Lorn Potter]

Roland wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I want to get a little more involved in development for Qtei. Especially
> after Franky's cry for help. Franky: I have to agree with Leonardo - great
> work! To you and everybody else working on Qtei - I'm really impressed with
> the improvements in the last months.
> So why am I writing this mail...
> I have downloaded the sources of Qtextended and also built it a couple of
> times. I also did a checkout of the new git repository and that worked for
> me as well. But any changes I made I had to type into a plain text editor
> and that is kind of annoying.
> 
> Is there any IDE one can use for the development?

You can try the kdevelop out of the neo vmware sdk. There are some scripts in 
there to use to help,
although it is not totally integrated.
You can use QtCreator to edit, but again, it's not integrated and it knows 
nothing about qbuild,
same as KDevelop.

Qtopia/Qt Extended development was always using an editor, a console and maybe 
designer.


> Coming from software development with Qt Desktop I think I would be able to
> contribute, but working with a normal editor is not really fun.
> 
> Also: Is there a way to debug the newly written applications?

gdb, or kdbg. Again there is helper scripts and stuff in the sdk.

> 
> I am willing to install any Linux distribution and any package needed for
> development - but I have to admit I don't have a clue what to install.

Needs vmplayer (or virtualbox)
http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=78

> 
> Any comment and recommendation is welcome!
> Roland
> 
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Re: [QtExtended] call for help

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Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> Ok, it seems my knowledge of qtextended has reached its limits. I'm
> giving up on trying to fix issues that are definitely qtopia-core 
> related. So, if anybody has the skills to help fix issue
> http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/26 feel free to
> jump in. I've spend too much time on these kind of things and since
> even Trolltech didn't bother fixing it, why should I? I'm just one guy
> that happened to put some stuff together, not a company with a bunch of
> developers behind it.
> The same goes for bluetooth.
> So: every qtopia/qt/qtextended developer in this list, please jump in.
> If no response is received, I might as well consider that
> qtextended-on-freerunner is not wanted/needed anymore ... 
> 
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try something like this:

diff --git a/src/server/pim/savetocontacts/savetocontacts.cpp
b/src/server/pim/savetocontacts/savetocontacts.cpp
index d89cbd2..8e7ecfb 100644
--- a/src/server/pim/savetocontacts/savetocontacts.cpp
+++ b/src/server/pim/savetocontacts/savetocontacts.cpp
@@ -23,6 +23,7 @@ void SavePhoneNumberDialog::savePhoneNumber(const QString 
&number, QWidget *pare
 "" + qApp->translate("SavePhoneNumberDialog", "Create a new 
contact?") + "",
 QAbstractMessageBox::Warning,
 QAbstractMessageBox::Yes, QAbstractMessageBox::No );
+box->setWindowModality(Qt::WindowModal);

 if (!box) {
 qLog(Component) << "SavePhoneNumberDialog: No message box available";




There might be other popup dialogs that have the wrong modality. The fix is 
usually always making it
WindowModal.

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Re: [QtExtended] Do we need to set QTOPIA_PHONE_VENDOR

[Lorn Potter]

On 31/03/2009, at 12:22 AM, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:

> In the file devices/neo/custom.h, there's a parameter called  
> QTOPIA_PHONE_VENDOR, but this is not set for the neo. It *is* set  
> for the greenphone, so I'm wondering: do we need this variable or not?
> According to http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/syscust-gsm.html,  
> this is not really needed, but I changed something in the file  
> devices/neo/src/plugins/phonevendors/neo/vendor_neo.cpp (to get the  
> voicemail number from a conf file, like for the greenphone), and it  
> doesn't seem as if qtopia uses the changes (the generated  
> libneovendor.so file) since for voicemail, it still tries the AT  
> commands ...
>
> Franky

It is set in the qpe script that starts qtextended. 

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Re: [qtextended] a wishlist

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On 19/03/2009, at 6:14 AM, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Hereby some missing things that should get (fixed) in qtextended (or
> call it a wishlist I you like):
>
> 1) mp3 support
> on the openmoko wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qt_Extended_4.4.3,
> I found the following link for libmad and qtextended:
> http://radagast.bglug.ca/openmoko/qt-extended-4.4.3-libmad.tar.gz
> Is this patch still valid?

Yes. Not sure about that patch, but libmad and the libmad plugin can  
be gotten from qtextended.org
Its been there for a while.

>
> 2) some kind of working gps support
>   See http://www.onkelinx.com/qtopia.on.neo/?page_id=4
>   or navit, tangogps, ... ?

There already is, and specific to the Neo. Use whereabouts example  
application. If someone wants to extend that or write there own, use  
QtopiaWhereAbouts class.


>
> 3) working alarm

I briefly looked into this, but could not find anything in Qtopia that  
would mess up the alarm handling, as it works on other devices.


>
> 4) google contact sync
>   See http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=2
>
> 5) working "voice notes" recording (see my bugreport
> http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/9, any hints on
> getting this fixed are much appreciated ...)

hint: probably need to add support for QAudioStates in the  
mediarecorder. It had been on the qtopia bug list for sometime, but  
got a lower priority than other things.


>
> 6) 2.6.28 support
>
>
> It seems a very reasonable and doable list to me (1 and 3 were being
> worked on, 4 seems doable, 5 just needs a fix, 6 is a must later on).
> Any comments, hints, tips?
>
> Franky
>
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howto qt 4.5 with qtextended 4.4.3

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http://yasmar.net/qtopia/Using%20Qt%20Extended%204.4%20with%20Qt%204.5.html


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Re: [QtExtended] some things

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Dale Maggee wrote:
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>> Dale Maggee wrote:
>>> Aah, the fun continues...

[snip utter nonsense]

and you have just demonstrated your maturity level. Go home, your 
parents want to wash your mouth out with soap.

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Re: [QtExtended] Terminal

[Lorn Potter]

Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:08:45 +0100
> Radek Polak  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> this is patch and sources for adding terminal application
>> to QT Extended Improved. Patch is attached, sources are
>> here [1]. They are taken from here [2].
>>
>> The tar has to be extracted to src/3rdparty/applications
>> then apply patch and rebuild.
>>
>> Radek
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> http://activationrecord.net/radekp/openmoko/qterminal/qterminal.tar.gz
>> [2]
>> http://git.asheesh.org/?p=qtopia_snapshot.git;a=tree;f=src/3rdparty/applications/qterminal;h=ae7a87fde1f1200ed0deab47b1bf6ca197f072ae;hb=tsdogs
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> Has this anything to do with
> http://www.qt-apps.org/content/show.php?action=content&content=92158
> or with
> http://code.google.com/p/qscite/
> ?

No, qterminal is a 'port' of embeddedkonsole from Qt/E 2 to Qt/E 4.

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Re: [QtExtended] some things

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Dale Maggee wrote:
> Aah, the fun continues...

[snip utter nonsense]

http://www.netalert.gov.au/advice/behaviour/netiquette_emoticons/What_is_netiquette.html
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Re: [QtExtended] some things

[Lorn Potter]

On 16/03/2009, at 6:21 PM, Dale Maggee wrote:

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> Lorn Potter wrote:
>> Quite actually, I was using the predictive keyboard long before  
>> anyone
>> on this list was, so yes, I have done this. Many times.
>
> "Quite actually"??? Quite what? work on your english.
>
> So you've done it, many times... awesome... I note however that you
> didn't actually answer my question: How Long does it take? and now,  
> how
> long does it take on your PC?
>
> How long did it take you to type up my sample sms on your FR running
> QTe? and why did you do that "Many Times", as you claim? seems like
> wasted effort to me...
>
> Also, if you'd like to explain why I should CARE IN THE SLIGHTEST that
> you were using it long before anyone else, I'd love to hear it.

because just perhaps I have an insight in how one is supposed to  
actually be using it.


>
>> umm, yes. I can access the menu just fine with my finger.
>> Options -> Change Input Method.
>
> ok, fair enough, so you can do it in 2 clicks, which cycles input
> methods. Neat!
>
> Unfortunately, however, as is your usual, you've not really answered  
> my
> question: I was interested in bringing up the list of input methods,  
> not
> cycling through them. It should be 2 clicks to change from  
> predictive to
> qwerty, and 2 to go back. You're advocating 2 clicks to get to the
> qwerty keyboard, and 7 clicks to get back. How efficient.

The list of input methods was actually depreciated. What you are  
seeing is that someone didn't have the time or inspiration to remove  
that from the neo's theme.


>
>> A use case is usually something that is very often used and  
>> repeatable
>> for any user. Typing 'antidisestablishmentarianism' is hardly  
>> typical.
>
> So, you're going to squibble over semantics, rather than actually
> discussing the issues at hand? right. Sure sounds like
> you're interested in quality.
>
> In all the work I've ever done, I'd consider a worst-case-scenario  
> to be
> a use case, and very worthy of concern. As far as I'm concerned, if  
> you
> don't agree with that assessment, then that's a good explanation as to
> why your software is shit.
>
>> No, but he will need to add those words to the common dictionary  
>> before
>> they will show up in the list of words. To enter a word in the
>> dictionary - simply press and hold the letters method.
>
> Are you saying that any word I type which isn't in the dictionary is
> automatically added? if this is the case then why is the word 'wot',
> which I use *all the time*, not in my dictionary? Where is
> 'antidisestablishmentarianism', which I typed earlier today?
>
>> There are too many niche scenarios to target, so we targeted common,
>> most used ones.
>
> ...and when someone brings up one you didn't target? Ignore it? stick
> your head in the sand? tell them that they're imagining it? This is a
> really great way to write shit software.
>
> News flash: Users don't care what your software is designed to do, or

correction: _you_ don't care what the software was designed to do.
>

> Right, so you *are* saying that anything I type is added  
> automatically...

No, I didn't say that.

>
> So, you're telling me that if I accidentally misspell
> 'antidisestablishmentarianism', the misspelling will be added to the
> dictionary, and from now on it will *only* suggest the misspelt  
> version,
> meaning that next time I am *forced* to type it letter-by-letter. wow,
> how awesome!
>

I can't believe you failed to read the help for the input method.  
Actually I can.
In fact, I can even edit those misspellings, but I will leave that as  
an endeavor for the reader.

> I think, however, that you're really just digging a big fucking hole  
> for
> yourself, because 'antidisestablishmentarianism' is *NOT* in my
> dictionary, and neither are any of the intentional mis-spellings I've
> typed today (or, in fact, ever, as far as I can see). If I were you,  
> I'd
> steer clear of espousing the virtues of FEATURES THAT DO NOT WORK - it
> just makes you sound even more stupid, really.
>

well, it certainly works for me.

>
[snip useless drivel]

>> I am merely explaining to you the way it works.
>
> No, you're trying to minimise the impact of my concerns, and pretend
> that they're not valid. You're pretending like you haven't written  
> shit
> software when you have. You're acti

Re: [QtExtended] some things

[Lorn Potter]

On 16/03/2009, at 7:57 PM, Dale Maggee wrote:

>

> seeing using the software. What I am *more* interested in is the
> developer trying to tell me that my problems are not actually  
> problems,
> trying to pretend like his software is infallible and/or it's me at
> fault, when it is clearly and demonstrably the software which is at  
> issue.

There is no 'the' developer. Qtopia was a project that had many  
developers. There were more than 30 developers of qtopia, not  
including the Qt part. Include that, and you near about 80.
I am quite flattered that you think I was a major contributor to  
Qtopia. In reality, I was only a major developer for the Neo device  
configuration.


>
>> that have nearly zero information?
>
> * My emails contain quite a lot of information, much of it highly
> detailed. I'd suggest you read through them in their entirety with
> detachment, rather than allowing their tone to feed your emotions and
> provoke a kneejerk reaction.
>
>> Don't you like the keyboard? Send a patch.

agreed.

>
> * Already addressed in my previous emails, try actually reading them  
> to
> find out what I said about this.

How can we when you just rant on and on and on?

>
>> If you have idea - write it down as short as it can be.
>
> Yep, I did that, and Lorn proceeded to tell me that this "was not a
> valid use case". Which is utter bullshit.

That's fine if you do not like my opinion, but that doesn't make it  
invalid. You need to separate opinions from facts, because you seem to  
be getting them mixed up.


>
>> If the idea's good someone will pick it up.
>
> At least two people have replied agreeing with the issue, but not the
> developer of the software. If you'd read my emails properly you'd most
> likely also agree.
>
>> Otherwise please stop spamming this list with this offensive  
>> nonsence.
>
> 1. I'll stop when Lorn acknowledges that his software is not perfect,
> and apologises to me for effectively trying to tell me that the  
> issues I
> and others have with the software do not matter, or are imaginary.
>

For one, it isn't MY software, and I never said it didn't have issues.

I have no reason to apologize. Show me where I stated your issues do  
not matter, or were imaginary?

What I told you was a way to work with the software, as it is. You  
could have found that out yourself, it you would have read the help to  
see how it works. It is not that complicated, but you must know how it  
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Re: [QtExtended] some things

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On 16/03/2009, at 6:38 PM, Dale Maggee wrote:

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>
[snip BS]

>
> PREDICTION: Lorn won't reply cuz I pwned him so hard he has to go to
> perth to look for his dignity.

I think your spell checker is failing, because you use nonsensical  
words and misspellings.


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Re: [QtExtended] some things

[Lorn Potter]

W.Kenworthy wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 16:12 +1100, Dale Maggee wrote:
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>> W.Kenworthy wrote:
>>> Disable it - find the keyboard files and copy terminal.kbd over the top
> ...
>> It's kinda like having to choose between death by disemboweling or death
>> by dismemberment.
>>
> 
> Sounds even worse than shr/2008x/FSO then - why oh why cant some of the
> time spent on keyboards for any OM version be put into something that
> works.

Well, obviously that is only his one opinion.

> 
> Never been able to run qt - always tried it on the SD card, which in
> hindsight, needed a slow clock.  Wasn't game to flash it as I needed a
> phone and if it didnt work on SD ...

actually, Qtopia is by far the best and most usable phone software for 
the Neo.

> 
> I am finding shr much more usable than the others at the moment - but
> even it does have its "quirks" if you want to use it everyday.


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Re: [QtExtended] some things

[Lorn Potter]

Dale Maggee wrote:
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> Lorn Potter wrote:
>> Typing numbers are not 'suggested'.
> 
> Fine, be fastidious if you must, You know what I meant.
> 
> How long did it take you to type your postal address? Now, how long does
> it take on your PC?
> 
> Oh... you didn't test it? You didn't bother typing out the sample SMS in
> my email? Hmmm, Interesting...

Quite actually, I was using the predictive keyboard long before anyone 
on this list was, so yes, I have done this. Many times.

> 
>> I personally do not find the delay all that troublesome.
> 
> Well, that indicates to me that you're either not using it for everyday
> use, or that you happen to be a lucky person who's typing dictionary
> words, or, more likely, that as the developer all the words you use
> commonly happen to be in the dictionary already (strange, that...)
> 
>> As I said, if you can easily switch to the qwerty keyboard.
> 
> bwahahaha, that's a funny joke. Have you ever tried actually switching
> to the qwerty keyboard using just your finger? for me, it usually takes
> at least 3-4 attempts just to bring up the list of input methods. Then
> there's actually attempting to type on the qwerty keyboard, which we'll
> get into later...

umm, yes. I can access the menu just fine with my finger.
Options -> Change Input Method.

> 
>> This is not a very valid usecase. How many times are you going to type 
>> this into your phone in a real world situation?
> 
> You're incorrect - it's a completely valid, worst-case scenario which
> serves very well to illustrate the inadequacy of the 'typing one letter
> at a time' method which you are advocating. In real-world usage, I'll
> concede that 'antidisestablishmentarianism' isn't used often, but long
> words which aren't in the dictionary are not at all uncommon, especially
> given long words combined with sms-speak spelling. How would you suggest
> a biologist or chemist use this input method to talk about his work?

A use case is usually something that is very often used and repeatable 
for any user. Typing 'antidisestablishmentarianism' is hardly typical.

> 
> If you're trying to tell me that the biologist needs to put a
> "biologist's dictionary" on his phone before he can use it, I'll laugh
> my ass off, and I'll tell you exactly how utterly ludicrous that Idea
> really is.

No, but he will need to add those words to the common dictionary before 
they will show up in the list of words. To enter a word in the 
dictionary - simply press and hold the letters method.

> 
> As a software developer, I'm *very* interested in worst-case scenarios,
> as they work very well to find all these little inefficiencies - if I
> can make my software usable in a worst case scenario, it's going to be
> absolutely brilliant for average, everyday use. I test (and sometimes
> write) all my software on low-powered machines for this reason

There are too many niche scenarios to target, so we targeted common, 
most used ones.

> 
> If you're not interested in actually making your software robust and
> useful, maybe you should apply for a job at Microsoft.

...

> 
>> For a fact, though, this took me exactly as much time to tap it out, 
>> without having to use the press down method ~10 seconds.
> 
> Care to clarify on that? to me, this statement makes no sense.

Using the 'predictive keyboard', it took me 10 seconds to type 
'antidisestablishmentarianism'.


> 
> If you're saying that you just typed in 'antidisestablishmentarianism'
> and it was suggested and you were able to choose it because it had no
> idea what you were typing and showed you what you typed, then you're
> doing it wrong, and your test is invalid.

No, it was not a suggested word, as it was longer than any suggestions 
it could find, so it just took the letters I was typing in.

> 
> For it to be a valid test, you need to do the following:
> 
> 1. *quickly* Type 'antidisestablishmentarianism', as if you're expecting
> it to be in the dictionary. (Type quickly, and ignore precision,
> assuming the dictionary will still suggest the correct word even if you
> accidentally hit a couple of letters wrong).

I did. its not in the dictionary. see my statement above.

> 
> (i.e: If I'm typing 'owned' in an SMS, I don't concern myself if I
> actually accidentally type "pwned", because I know the dictionary will
> pick up on my mistake and suggest "owned". For your test to be valid,
> you need to type 'antidisestablishmentarianism

Re: [QtExtended] some things

[Lorn Potter]

Dale Maggee wrote:
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> Lorn Potter wrote:
>> Just hold down on the letter you want to select. You will see a round 
>> 'spy glass' thing pop up with your letter.
> 
> This is all well and good, but it's for all intents and purposes totally
> useless in practical application - typing anything remotely long or
> complex (examples: My mail server address, somebody's surname, a phone
> number, an email address, a street/suburb name, GPS coordinates) takes

Typing numbers are not 'suggested'.

> an *inordinate* amount of time - just try typing out your postal address
> using that method - you'll soon find that you're developing a powerful
> urge to stab yourself in the eyeballs with a rusty fork... ;)

Then you can easily switch to the qwerty keyboard.
I personally do not find the delay all that troublesome.

> 
> If typing your postal address doesn't do it, see how long it takes you
> to type the following (spelling is important!):
> 
> "yo doodz wots up? im sendin this sms cuz i cbf typin an email you ya,
> and cuz i wanna demo jus how goddamn awful it is to type wen it takes 3
> secs for each bluddy letta. Got ne rusty forks lyin round?"

As I said, if you can easily switch to the qwerty keyboard.


> How long does it take you to type 'antidisestablishmentarianism' using
> this method? Don't forget to also include in this figure the time it
> takes to type "antidisestablishmentarianism", only to discover that it's
> not in the dictionary, then delete that, then type it out
> letter-by-letter. For comparison, here are some figures I just worked
> out, using a stopwatch to time myself typing 'antidisestablishmentarianism':

This is not a very valid usecase. How many times are you going to type 
this into your phone in a real world situation?

For a fact, though, this took me exactly as much time to tap it out, 
without having to use the press down method ~10 seconds.


> 
> * My PC - Standard US 101-key IBM Model M qwerty Keyboard - 6.18 seconds
> * My Ipaq - HP Ipaq 6515 with built-in mini-qwerty keyboard - 12.35 Seconds
> * FreeRunner running QT extended, using 'predictive keyboard': 81.95
> Seconds (almost a minute and a half!)
> 
> I can't think of a more dramatic way to point out how slow this method
> is. Obviously I don't expect it to match the Ipaq, but more than 6 times
> slower than the Ipaq is abysmal. It shouldn't take a minute and a half
> to type one word.
> 
> The simple and easy solution is as I noted before: the predictive text
> should always offer you exactly what you type - if I type "pwned", I
> want to see "pwned" and  "owned" in the word list, regardless of whether
> "pwned" is in the dictionary.

Then it would not be suggestive/predictive, and you should use the 
qwerty keyboard.

You can even use this with big fingers and hit in between letters and it 
will still work (suggestively) well. Don't make it something its not 
supposed to be.


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Re: [QtExtended] some things

[Lorn Potter]

Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 06:31:43 +1000
> Lorn Potter  wrote:
> 
>>> - writing an sms is an almost impossible task ... unless you can
>>>  disable predictiveness and use a "good" keyboard, this will need
>>>  attention. The thing is that I want to write an sms with my
>>>  fingertips ...
>> I find the 'predictive' keyboard quite usable. You just need to
>> forget what it is suggesting until you are finished with the word.
>> But for any language other than English, it might be a hassle.
>>
> 
> well, indeed, I mostly write Dutch or sms-speak :-) So then, I should
> be able to be disabled the predictive part ...

You just need to add your words to the dictionary, so you wont have to 
tap so much.



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Re: [QtExtended] some things

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Dale Maggee wrote:
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>> I find the 'predictive' keyboard quite usable. You just need to forget  
>> what it is suggesting until you are finished with the word.
>> But for any language other than English, it might be a hassle.
>>
> 
> It isn't too bad, but it's very painful as soon as the word you're
> typing isn't in it's dictionary. It should always offer exactly what you
> typed as an option, regardless of whether it's in the dictionay or not:
> If I type "pwned", I should see both "pwned" and "owned" in the word list.
> 
> It's also completely evil when you try to type just a single character,
> such as the word "I" or a full stop - I often have trouble tapping on
> these in the word list to get them to be added to what I'm typing -
> seems they're too small and require precise tapping.
> 
> You should be able to add a word to the dictionary very easily, perhaps
> even automatically adding any word you type which isn't in the
> dictionary - I use *many* non-dictionary wrds wen im typin an sms, 2 da
> point where "language other than english' would describe it.

Just hold down on the letter you want to select. You will see a round 
'spy glass' thing pop up with your letter.


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Re: [QtExtended] some things

[Lorn Potter]

On 15/03/2009, at 2:17 AM, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:24:20 +0100
> Franky Van Liedekerke  wrote:
>
>> Some initial things I found after a first boot:
>>
>> - upon boot, there's something about a ASoC driver (about the last
>>  thing you see before the graphical stuff begins), but it also says
>>  that this driver is only for gta01 hardware. Don't know if this
>>  affects anything though ...
>> - upon first boot, you're required to set the time/timezone, but this
>>  setting is afterwards ignored and you need to redo this. So, if
>>  possible, this first setting screen should be removed.
>> - the power management settings for "plugged in" mention that the
>> phone should suspend when plugged in. This seems illogical. Also upon
>> first boot, suspend doesn't work (when set to suspend after x secs
>> when on battery), upon second boot it does ...
>>  But even then, when plugged in, it suspends (although the battery
>>  icon shows that it is loading, so the software detected that is
>>  plugged in). Hmmm ... tested it again (after putting the improved
>>  echo fix version on it) and the suspends no longer happens.
>> - upon first boot, pressing the phone icon without sim card in it,
>>  results in a black screen. You then need to press the powerbutton
>> for 10 secs to reboot the device. Upon second boot, this doesn't
>> happen anymore.
>>
>> So for now: reboot twice and put the improved version on it :-)
>>
>> Now on to the phone testing!
>
> ok, first simple tests:
>
> - writing an sms is an almost impossible task ... unless you can
>  disable predictiveness and use a "good" keyboard, this will need
>  attention. The thing is that I want to write an sms with my
>  fingertips ...

I find the 'predictive' keyboard quite usable. You just need to forget  
what it is suggesting until you are finished with the word.
But for any language other than English, it might be a hassle.


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Re: [QtExtended] duplicate SMS messages

[Lorn Potter]

On 14/03/2009, at 2:33 AM, Radek Polak wrote:

> Warren Baird wrote(a):
>> I haven't had time to install a 4.4.3 build yet, but I was  
>> wondering if
>> anyone had confirmed if the duplicate sms message issue has been
>> resolved?   I'm running Lorn's build of 4.4.2, but my sms inbox keeps
>> filling up 'cause every time I get an sms, I get duplicates of many  
>> of
>> my messages added to the inbox...
>>
>> Anyone know if that's been fixed?
>>
>> Warren
>
> Just tested sending 3 SMS to my phone from internet gateway.
> Got build from QTE improved and see no duplicates. Maybe i am
> doing somethnig wrong ;-) or it is fixed.

This problem was intermittent and only happened on gta02, and only  
sometimes.
We looked into this but could not reliably reproduce it, although it  
always happened on my gta02.

We believe it was most likely the modem, or something to do with it,  
but don't know for sure.



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Re: Anyone have ogg support in qt extended 4.4.3 ?

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andrew howlett wrote:
> Hi qt users,
> 
> ogg support is missing in all my qt extended 4.4.3 builds. (which is
> strange, because the tremor plugin and vorbis library are build ok, but I
> digress)
> 
> Is it just me? Has anyone got ogg support in 4.4.3?
> 
> Let me know if your ogg support is working or broken. If everyone's is
> broken then I will fix it.
> 
> later,
> radagast

I think you might have to edit $QPEDIR/etc/mime.types and/or the MediaPlayer 
desktop file to add ogg
to the files the mediaplayer can recognize. Then run make install again.


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Re: [QtExtended] about bug reports

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Tomas Riveros Schober wrote:
> Considering that QtE is officially "dead", what shall we do about bugs 
> in the current (last) code?

What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the Master calls the butterfly.


> shall we start a separate bug tracker in addition to the community git 
> repo?

yep.

> shall we report back to nokia using the usual tracker?

Nope.

> should we 
> just send patches to the git repo (until a solution is found)?
> It would be nice if we (the community) join efforts to keep QtE alive as 
> long as possible.

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Re: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released

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On 06/03/2009, at 11:06 PM, Chris Samuel wrote:

> On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:59:58 pm HouYu Li wrote:
>
>> OK, actually. I was talking with lpotter in IRC channel #qtopia at  
>> FreeNode
>> about the further improvement of QTextended. He will setup a git  
>> repository
>> based on the 4.4.3 release source by the end of this week. Just  
>> waiting for
>> a while. We are going to move QTextended to kernel 2.6.28.
>
> Aha!  Sounds good to me. :-)

There is a git repo already setup for sometime now, just havent  
updated it to 4.4.3
git://git.asheesh.org/qtopia_snapshot.git

http://git.asheesh.org/?p=qtopia_snapshot.git


>
> I'll let the git push complete as it won't do any harm for now, we  
> can always
> kill it later if need be.
>
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Re: Qt Software discontinues Qt Extended

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xChris wrote:
> 
> Is there any future plan for the QTcreator to produce Qt extended
> applications?

Only if someone in the community adds this.

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Re: Qt Software discontinues Qt Extended

[Lorn Potter]

Shawn Rutledge wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Lorn Potter  wrote:
>> No public list available, but probably none of the applications in Qt
>> Extended will go into Qt. Just backend/classes kind of thing.
> 
> What about the ability to run Qt on a framebuffer as opposed to X?

Qt Embedded is still being developed. :)

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RE: Qt Software discontinues Qt Extended

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>-Original Message-
>From: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org 
>[mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of 
>Shawn Rutledge
>Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:34 AM
>To: List for Openmoko community discussion
>Subject: Re: Qt Software discontinues Qt Extended
>
>On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Lorn Potter 
> wrote:
>> 
>http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/news/qt-software-discontinues-qt-exten
>> ded
>
>It says some features will be migrated into Qt itself.  I 
>assume that means Nokia doesn't see a need for some of the 
>low-level open-source phone-specific stuff (daemons etc), 
>because they want to keep using their pre-existing versions 
>instead?  What about the applications?  Is there a list of 
>stuff that will be migrated and stuff that will disappear?

No public list available, but probably none of the applications in Qt
Extended will go into Qt. Just backend/classes kind of thing.


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RE: [Qt Extended] Qt Extended discontinued

[Lorn Potter]

Indeed.
http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/03/03/in-case-you-missed-it/
 


  _  

From: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org
[mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of HouYu Li
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:43 AM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: [Qt Extended] Qt Extended discontinued


Is it possible for community to take up the development(improvement) of qt
extended?


On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:54 PM, arne anka  wrote:


> it's a great toolkit for the desktop.


a devastating compliment ...


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Qt Software discontinues Qt Extended

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http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/news/qt-software-discontinues-qt-extended



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Re: [QtExtended] Proper way to invoke suspend?

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Martin Bernreuther wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> on a Linux system (with ACPI) it is possible to invoke a suspend through
> 
> echo -n mem > /sys/power/state
> 
> (see http://ols.fedoraproject.org/OLS/Reprints-2008/brown-reprint.pdf 
> (chapter 5, 6th page 42);
>  http://www.linux.com/articles/54610, 
> http://acpi.sourceforge.net/documentation/sleep.html,
>  http://www.columbia.edu/~ariel/acpi/acpi_howto.txt (section 23.2),
>  
> http://www.linux-magazin.de/heft_abo/ausgaben/2004/02/einschlaf_hilfen/(offset)/2
>  (german),...)
> 
> Qt Extended on the Neo Freerunner
> (http://moko.mwester.net/download/uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin +
>  
> http://other.lastnetwork.net/OpenMoko/qtextended-4.4.2-gta02-rootfs-release-working-with-SystemRingTones.jffs2)
> seems to be APM based
> (/sys/power/state is also present and `echo mem > /sys/power/state` works)
> and `cat /proc/apm` shows some information.
> Working on a console (if you have one, which is not default for QtExtended), 
> section 12.18.8.1.1
> of 
> http://www.uibk.ac.at/linuxdoc/LDP/LDP/Mobile-Guide/html/mobile-guide-p2c1s8-apm.html
> shows a nice way to keep an eye on the battery state through the command 
> prompt:
> export PS1="\$(cat /proc/apm | awk '{print \$7}') \h:\w\$ "
> Invoking a suspend on a APM based systems can be done with
> 
> apm -s
> 
> I noticed /etc/apm/suspend.d/gsm_suspend, which executes
> echo "1" >/sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/flowcontrolled
> Is this also needed for a proper suspend? (It seems to work without that.)
> 
> 
> In contrast to the information about e.g. how to turn on/off LEDs 
> (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner/Buttons_and_LEDs)
> I didn't find this in the OpenMoko Wiki. Maybe because OpenMoko offers the
> "Ompower" Power management daemon:
> 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Ompower
> 
> This service seems not to be available for QtExtended:
> 
> r...@om-gta02:~# dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.openmoko.Power / 
> org.openmoko.Power.Core.ListResources
> Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.openmoko.Power 
> was not provided by any .service files
> 
> which is not astonishing since
> "ompower is a suspend handling daemon talking dbus installed by default since 
> Om 2008.8"
> but apparently not by QtExtended (and /usr/share/dbus-1/services/ is empty).
> 
> QtExtended offers (formerly QCop and now Qtopia IPC based) services 
> (http://doc.trolltech.com/qtextended4.4/services.html),
> which include a pre-defined suspend service 
> (http://doc.trolltech.com/qtextended4.4/suspendservice.html)
> (also cmp. /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/services)
> The qcop command-line tool 
> (http://doc.trolltech.com/qtextended4.4/qcop-tool.html) should also be 
> capable to do the job:
> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/lib
> export PATH=/opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/bin:$PATH
> 
> qcop service send Suspend 'suspend()'
> 
> 
> There might be more ways to do a suspend...
> 
> 
> What is the proper way to suspend the Freerunner for QtExtended?
> (Probably the last one. But is there more to be done?)

Proper way is to just let it suspend on it's own.

> 
> The next question will be how to configure the lock icon (padlock.png for 
> finxi)
> on the home screen (the rightmost icon on the bottom) to be connected with the
> suspend command/service... (instead of Screen Lock)

You would have to edit the code and recompile, as this is not how the screen 
lock currently works.


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Re: QT Extended

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Dale Maggee wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm having a couple of problems with QT Extended (the fixed version from
> http://other.lastnetwork.net/OpenMoko/):
> 
> 1. The predictive keyboard. I deleted the dictionary file as suggested
> elsewhere to disable the predictive keyboard, but it still predicts
> words which are found in my address book, like people's names, which
> makes it even less useful because now it never ever suggests the word
> I'm trying to type!
> 
> 2. The Messaging app - it's doing strange things, like sometimes it
> creates duplicates of messages, so I'll see 2 or 3 copies of the same
> SMS in my inbox. So I'll move all messages to trash and empty trash,
> then a couple of minutes later an SMS will arrive and it'll say '17
> messages recieved' and I'll see many duplicates of old messages I just
> deleted in my inbox. Also it will only store about 130 messages - is
> this storing SMS messages on the SIM? can it be configured to store them
> in it's own database?
> 
> 3. The clock - every time I reboot the device I need to set the clock,
> it seems to revert to GMT and not take my timezone into account, or
> something. I tried using the 'hwclock --systohc' command but got an error.
> 
> 4. I'm told that the echo is back (which wasn't there with Trolltech's
> QT extended image, the one which didn't ring)
> 
> Does anybody have any ideas on any of these things? apart from this and
> the fact that I can't run any of the cool software being produced for
> 2008.x, I like Qt Extended alot!
> 
> I'd also like to know if anybody knows if there's a new version of QT
> Extended in the works - I've noticed Lorn Potter has been pretty quiet
> on these lists lately...
> 
> Apologies if this has been asked / solved elsewhere - I had a bit of a
> look but couldn't find anything much...

I am still here. Just been busy with other things.
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Re: [Qt extended] Default input method

[Lorn Potter]

Dareus wrote:
> Does someone know if there's a way to set the default input method?
> 
> I really can't use handwriting and I really like the predictive keyboard, is
> it necessary to select my favourite input method everytime qtextended
> starts?

theoretically, it already has a default keyboard, which is already set 
to the predictive keyboard. Known bug.

You can delete the handwriting plugin:
/opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/plugins/inputmethods/libpkim.so


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Re: [debian][neo1973] Forwarding GSM port to PC

[Lorn Potter]

Bartlomiej Zdanowski [Zdanek] wrote:
> Greetings,
> I want to write small app on my PC using neo1973's GSM modem. I'd like 
> to somehow forward /dev/ttySAC0 and have serial device in my Linux' /dev 
> and connect to it as to ordinary serial port.
> I have debian installed so I have an access to plenty of packages.
> 
> Any ideas? Thank you in advance.
> Best regards,

Qtextended's 'phonebounce' was written for exactly this.
http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/phonebounce.html


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Re: QtExtended 4.4.2 Changes?

[Lorn Potter]

On Sat November 1 2008 2:55:36 am Pander wrote:
> I've just tried 4.4.2 with mwester's kernel and it gets losts in an
> infinite pile of 'blah blah Magic bitmask blah blah' so going back to
> 4.4.1.
>
> Does anyone else got it working properly or the same problems?

I forgot to add mwesters file system changes to this image.

>
> Maelvon HAWK wrote:
> > Ben Cadieux a écrit :
> >> Hi Everyone,
> >>
> >> It seems 4.4.2 was released today; as usual, there is no summary of
> >> changes below the download link.  Does anyone know what was changed?
> >
> > Don't know exactly what was changed.
> >
> > But I've tested the previous versions 4.3 & 4.2 and they always freeze
> > after a short period of use. This time I've flashed it on my GTA02, and
> > it seems to works well. A little too speed with the finger scrolling.
> >
> > The dialer and the suspend/resume with a call seems good.
> >
> > Except a keyboard disapearance sometimes, in the terminal keyboard,
> > cannot use the arrow, a Lan config who lost the config, cannot apply a
> > static configuration, come back every time at DHCP.
> >
> > Maelvon
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Android open sourced

[Lorn Potter]

Jim Morris wrote:
> Lorn Potter wrote:
>> Jim Morris wrote:
>>> Cédric Berger wrote:
> 
>> Just because 4.4.1 might be unstable doesn't mean qt extended will 
>> always be that way. It just means that 4.4.1 was buggier than expected.
>>
> 
> Oh I know it will get better, I was just disappointed it was less stable than 
> the previous version. 

We all were. The truth is, 4.4.1 was pushed out before it was ready. But it 
couldn't be helped.


> which I had blown away to try 4.4.1 I couldn't really use 4.4.1 of QtEtended 
> as it seemed to hang 
> all the time as well as other issues which I'm sure you are aware of. 
> (Scrolling through lists 
> usually thinks you are selecting something you don't want etc).
> 
> I'll continue to try the new versions of 4.4 as they come out, but in the 
> meantime playing with 
> Android seems like a good use of my time ;)
> 
> I'll use whichever one ends up being a usable phone soonest.
> 


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Re: Android open sourced

[Lorn Potter]

Jim Morris wrote:
> Cédric Berger wrote:
>> Here we are
>> http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html
>>
>> time to port to Neo !
>>
> 
> At last maybe we will get a stable, usable O/S for the Neo (which I have 
> shelved until such a thing 
> exists). I was using Qt but QtExtended was a step backwards in stability. I 
> am very happy to see 
> Android available for development, I may un-shelve my Neo blow off the dust 
> and help port it!
> 

Just because 4.4.1 might be unstable doesn't mean qt extended will always be 
that way. It just means 
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Re: [Om2008.9] AtChat talking every second to SIM

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Matthias Apitz wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I was looking a bit through the output of logread and I'm asking me if
> it is normal (and necessary in the sense of power consumption) that 'qpe'
> is talking every second to the SIM to ask for the signal level of the GSM:
> 
> Oct 21 11:34:28 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  T : "AT+CSQ" 
> Oct 21 11:34:28 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  F : "+CSQ: 20,99 " 
> Oct 21 11:34:28 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  F : "OK" 
> Oct 21 11:34:30 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  T : "AT+CSQ" 
> Oct 21 11:34:30 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  F : "+CSQ: 20,99 " 
> Oct 21 11:34:30 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  F : "OK" 
> Oct 21 11:34:32 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  T : "AT+CSQ" 
> Oct 21 11:34:32 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  F : "+CSQ: 20,99 " 
> Oct 21 11:34:32 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  F : "OK" 
> Oct 21 11:34:34 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  T : "AT+CSQ" 
> Oct 21 11:34:34 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  F : "+CSQ: 20,99 " 
> Oct 21 11:34:34 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat :  F : "OK" 
> 
> Any comment? Thx

every second (or two, as the case may be) might be a bit extreme, but 
this is just getting the signal quality.


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Re: qt extended src does not match precompiled

[Lorn Potter]

Glen Ogilvie wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am not sure if I should be talking about this here, or on the qt extended 
> forum which seems fairly quite.  However, I recently downloaded and compiled
> qt-extended-4.4.1.  
> 
> I then compared the /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia directory from 
> qtextended-4.4.1-gta02-rootfs-release-10022309.jffs2 against the files in my 
> build image directory.
> 
> I noticed that althogh most files build much the same, some things were not 
> in 
> the version I compiled from sournce.
> 
> The missing bits are:
> * s60 and smart themes.

> * qterminal
> * libmad

These two are not in the qt extended source package and can be 
downloaded from qtextended.org.

> * facebook intergration
> * profiles

Profiles should be there, otherwise you could not change ringtones. 
Homescreen->Options->profiles

The rest are included in the sources, but you need edit projects.pro and 
add them to get them built.


> 
> Any suggestions would be appricated.  I am also looking for the respoistory 
> (svn / git, etc) for qtextended so I can track the latest development, but 
> have not been able to find it.
> 

There is no official public repository for sources. We are working on 
getting snapshots working still.

4.3 snapshots should start being published today or tomorrow, and 4.4 
should be soon.


There is an unofficial git at:
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Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 solved

[Lorn Potter]

� wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I finally found a place in the qtopia sources where I could put code for 
> activating the
> echo suppression for every incoming/outgoing call.
> I'm quite sure that experienced qtopia programmers would find a better 
> place for it.

A better place for stuff needed for a particular modem, would be in the 
phone vendor plugin. That's what its there for. Not to defray this 
patch, but this is very calypso specific, and not part of the GSM spec. 
(although any other modem would most likely just spit out an error)


> But this just works. And as long as no other solution is out there I 
> will share it
> with other people who want to combat the echo.
> 
> The patch is against the latest snapshot of Holgers qtopia git.
> commit: 09335e76e1762b97dad23b997978424ed10f8da1
> Unfortunately this version doesn't load the gmshandset.state file when a
> call is initiated.
> 
> When compiling with this patch a new libqtopiaphonemodem.so.4.3.2 is
> created. I replaced this lib with the one on my OM2008.9.
> 
> Instead of compiling it yourself you can download the file here:
> http://danielnoethen.de/libqtopiaphonemodem.so.4.3.2
> Just replace it with the one in /opt/Qtopia/lib and restart qtopia with:
> /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart
> 
> In combination with this gsmhandset.state file the volume of your
> calling partner is loud enough, and vice versa.
> http://danielnoethen.de/gsmhandset.state
> 
> It should work with every distro that uses qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.2

and a device that has the calypso modem.

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Re: UBIFS was Re: Compressed file system for SD?

[Lorn Potter]

nickd wrote:
> I haven't sorry. Coincidentaly, the new kernel which was released the 
> other day (.27) includes a new filesystem designed for flash drives - 
> UBIFS [1]. I wonder if this could be relevant to this project. It looks 
> like it has full write-back support, meaning it doesn't need to write to 
> the SD card all the time, although I guess we don't have that much 
> memory to play with.


ubifs wont work on sd cards, which are not true flash devices.
but it is relevant and could replace jffs2.



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Re: What should a community manager do?

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Rod Whitby wrote:
> Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
>> On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Duv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> My only concern here is that there seems to be a separation between the
>>> developer and the user... that in the community both seem to have there
>>> little corner. Maybe I am reading that wrong, but if I am not... I am not
>>> too sure that it's something that I would agree with, if only because the
>>> current make-up of OpenMoko, Developer and user are one in the same.
>> I agree: There's no reason to make a separation between developers and
>> users. They do have a bit different needs but no matter what, they're
>> all needed. A community manager should take care of all members of the
>> community, from beginners to kernel developers. Help the beginners to
>> get involved and allow and enable developers to work as efficiently as
>> possible.
> 
> I'm sorry, but I don't believe one single community manager can cross
> the divide between the "developer" and "user" mindsets that I spoke
> about in my reply to your earlier post.

I disagree. I have been doing exactly that for the last 5 years. Trying 
to anyway. I believe a community manager can only be _one_ person.

To have a user mindset, you simply need to use what you're trying to 
evangelize everyday. You see the difficulties of actually using something.

To work with the user community in this fashion, you need to care about 
and understand the flaws the software may have (in terms of bugs and 
usability) and the reasoning the developers may have done a particular 
thing. Only a developer can do this part, and only a developer can work 
with the developer community.


> 
> It's *really* difficult to spend your day answering end-user FAQs and
> support issues, and then turn around and enthuse and excite your
> developers.  One person will burn out very quickly trying to do both.

Perhaps. But variety is the spice of life. It all comes down to passion.


> 
> Note that both needs (support of users and embracing of developers) do
> need to be met for a well functioning community.  But I don't believe a
> single person can do the job of meeting both those needs.

I do.


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Re: [qtextended] After 4 days...

[Lorn Potter]

Paul wrote:
>> I heard today that turning down the speaker volume should fix this 
>> somewhat. Problem is that, after a reboot, this is set to max again. I 
>> intend to have a look at some files and see if I can incorporate a dirty 
>> hack for the time being, to fix this. No promises that this will bring 
>> anything, though.
>>   
> 
> Right. No fix, since I don't see a place where I could grab it in the neck.
> I did find that the phone volume setting is in 
> /home/root/Settings/Trolltech/Phone.conf. Somehow, after a reboot, the 
> setting of this file is not used and implemented, but some default 
> setting is used.
> 
> I found the default Qtopia Phone.conf and played around with that, but 
> to no avail.
> After a reboot the speaker volume is at 127 (max), not at 90 (which is 
> in the Phone.conf in $HOME/Settings/Trolltech/Phone.conf). After just 
> looking at the setting, Phone.conf is updated already, overwriting the 
> preferred setting.
> 
> Paul
> 

You can do this to twiddle with volumes:
alsactl restore -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarious/stereout.state
alsamixer
alsactl store -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarious/stereout.state

this goes for any of the files in there, like gsmhandset.state


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Re: QTExtended package repository

[Lorn Potter]

Charles Pax wrote:
> I'm looking for the package repository for QTExtended. 
> http://qtextended.org/packages/feed/4.4.1/neo does not seem to be there, 
> but this is what is in the package manager I flashed to my neo. Please 
> advise.

I haven't gotten around to getting packages built for this. Once the sdk starts 
building again, I 
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Re: one day usage of qtextended

[Lorn Potter]

Matt wrote:
> gtalk uses jabber protocol, so should be doable.

Certainly. If telepathy and gabble were available for the Neo's.

> 
> Nishit Dave wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>
>> This is a gtalk presence indicator.
>>
>> Million dollar question: where is gtalk? how do I install and 
>> configure it?


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Re: one day usage of qtextended

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Devendra Gera wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Oct 2008, Lorn Potter wrote:
> 
>>> I don't see a Gtalk settings entry in the settings menu in my install!
>>> I'm using the original 4.4.1 image. Are you using the one with the
>>> zoneinfo updates? Did you install anything extra? Any updates?
>> Whoops! I forgot I took it out of the build, as there is no telepathy 
>> and gabble available for openmoko.
> 
> Is it coming back? If so, when?

This would depend on Openmoko or someone else adding telepathy and friends to 
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Re: one day usage of qtextended

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Devendra Gera wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Oct 2008, Lorn Potter wrote:
> 
>> Nishit Dave wrote:
>>> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a gtalk presence indicator.
>>>
>>> Million dollar question: where is gtalk? how do I install and configure it?
>> Install/flash qt extended 4.4.1. Settings->Gtalk settings
> 
> I don't see a Gtalk settings entry in the settings menu in my install!
> I'm using the original 4.4.1 image. Are you using the one with the
> zoneinfo updates? Did you install anything extra? Any updates?

Whoops! I forgot I took it out of the build, as there is no telepathy 
and gabble available for openmoko.

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Re: one day usage of qtextended

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Nishit Dave wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> 
> This is a gtalk presence indicator.
> 
> Million dollar question: where is gtalk? how do I install and configure it?

Install/flash qt extended 4.4.1. Settings->Gtalk settings



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Re: why?

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Detructor wrote:
> Why is there no distro with GPRS/WLAN support?
> After (dunno...5 or 6 months?) there is still no distro for the neo
> freerunner that has a GPRS/WLAN support, that works.
> 
> yeah, you'll say "but there is the OM2008.x stuff" and I'll answer: it
> simple does not work! I mean...WLAN works only per editing config files
> (there is no working GUI for encrypted WEP WLANs) and GPRS...you've to
> disable your PIN...sorry, but I don't have that much money, to let
> someone steal my neo/SIM and use it to call his or her friends in china
> or somewhere else. So it simple does not work.
> 
> Now you'll come with qtopia...and I'll say: yeah...errhm...there is a
> GUI (good) but it does not work, because the ppp module isn't builded
> into the kernel (mwester) and there is no kernel from nokia/trolltech
> yet (why?)

Because Qt Software doesn't do kernels. and I havent had time to work on GPRS.
Qt Extended wlan works without editing conf files, btw.


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Re: Community update, october 3rd 2008

[Lorn Potter]

Minh Ha Duong wrote:

> * Another big point release: Qtopia 4.4. It's now called Qt Extended, we 
> will need to update that string on about ~100 wiki pages!

Qt Extended only refers to versions 4.4.1 and above. Any reference to 
Qtopia 4.3.x should remain the same.

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Re: one day usage of qtextended

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Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've used the qtextended distro for one day as a regular phone, here
> are my experiences:
> 
> - first of all: battery life seems to be ok, after one day the battery
> meter was still at 80%. Nice!
> - echo issue: with my alsa state file, no issue anymore

Could you attach your alsa state file?

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Re: one day usage of qtextended

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Craig B. Allen wrote:
> Comments and additions:
>> - mp3's play choppy, even ogg's experience this (especially when
>> touching the screen while the player is on)
> 128k mp3s from podcasts play fine, haven't tried music or ogg.
> 
> - I have been unable to get wifi at home working (WPA2) despite
> several attempts.
> 
> - feed address is wrong; changing it to 4.3.2 connects but finds no
> packages (browsing there shows several).
> 
> - no way to install packages downloaded with wget

Only way to install packages into qt extended is through the package 
manager, which only allows packages via web server. I know, it's 
retarded, but thats the way it is. It might change in the future.

> 
> - finger scrolling too sensitive - often launches programs
> 
> - frequent "messages" from "129" (apparently transmissions from
> T-Mobile that indicate that I have voicemail waiting show up in the
> new message queue, they should be handled quietly in the background
> and set a new voicemail indicator in the UI.
> 
> - I have not seen any documentation on phone features, other than the
> help system (bravo that it exists!), like the little grey globe in the
> header on the homescreen.

This is a gtalk presence indicator.

> 
> - help system sometimes describes features that don't appear to exist.

Can you name specifics here?

> 
> - record audio doesn't.
> 
> - browser doesn't see USB network
> 
> - rotated screen squashes graphic elements (e.g. icons)

Only on the homescreen

> 
> - "smart' theme has no way to get to dialer
> 
> I have to say that Qtextended is fast and works better as a phone than
> other distributions I have tried.  There are obviously many kinks and
> applications to be enhanced, but we could do worse than a marriage of
> the qt apps and FSO.
> 
> Kudos to the trolls!

Thanks!

> 
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Re: [Qt Extended]: Power management functions not working when plugged in.

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Kelvie Wong wrote:
> On Sunday, October 05, 2008 21:00:41 Lorn Potter wrote:
>> Yes, this is a known issue, unfortunately. Am working on this as we speak.
> 
> Good to hear :)  Are snapshots going to be available, or would I have to wait 
> until the next release?
> 

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Re: [Qt Extended]: Power management functions not working when plugged in.

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Kelvie Wong wrote:
> On Sunday, October 05, 2008 20:46:27 Kelvie Wong wrote:
>> I've used the Power Management dialog to set the FR to turn off its screen
>> after X amount of time -- this seems to only work when the phone is
>> unplugged.
>>
>> Whenever I plug it back in, the settings are not respected.  Is this a
>> known issue?  When on battery, the settings get respected.
>>
>> I have also removed the power management settings from the current profile,
>> so I don't think that is what is affecting it right now.
> 
> Also, this is on 4.4.1, with the latest kernel on mwester's site:
> gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable
> 
> 

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Re: [QTextended] how to select music directory in Media Player?

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Craig B. Allen wrote:
> I have been trying to setup to play files stored on my SD card but
> cannot find any way to select or enter a directory.

Put your files in a Documents directory on the sd card and qt extended 
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Re: How do I turn on wifi in QTextended?

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Charles Pax wrote:
> I'm using the new version of QTextended (was Qtopia) and I can't seem to 
> find any way to turn on my wireless. I see where I can turn on/off the 
> Bluetooth, but nothing for the wifi chip. Any advice?

Settings->Internet->Options (menu)->New->Wireless


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Re: [Om2008.9] stored PIN for qpe

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Matthias Apitz wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Is it somehow possible to feed the PIN from a file in rootfs into the
> PIN dialog of 'qpe'? Thx

nope. But the sources are available you could patch it to do this.


> I know it's not very secure, but normal people will not know how to read
> files in a FR :-)
> 
>   matthias

If you don't want sim pin, you can 'disable' it, from the Security 
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Re: How to build qt-extended?

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Nicola Mfb wrote:
> 2008/10/3 Jim Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> 
> It is activated in the released image. At least I can set the
> encryption on my email account.
> 
> 
> I just downloaded the updated toolchains, but the problem persist:

Looks like it configured in ssl to me:

> Configuring Qt Extended (expanded commandline):
> -using-device neo -ui-type mobile -dynamic-rotation -ssl -dbus -libamr


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Re: [SPAM] Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4

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Kishore wrote:
> On Friday 03 Oct 2008 4:46:45 am Lorn Potter wrote:
>> Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:43:23 +0200
>>>
>>> Petr Vanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> No problem here. I reflashed previous QT snapshot 4.3 so i presume if
>>>> you use kernel from 4.3 you are ready to go.
>>>>
>>>> unless...I was also looking at the "services" screen or what it's
>>>> called in QT4.4 so i might have activated USB networking by an
>>>> accident and it's kernel independent? Check it out anyways.
>>> hmmm ... I'm guessing that image isn't the official released one, too
>>> many bugs (old and new):
>>>
>>> - lots of kernel-warnings spit out during booting (using
>>> uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin from I believe the
>>> previous 4.3.x snapshot version). Or maybe this is a uimage issue?
>> yes, this has nothng to do with qtextended.
> 
> I get plenty of errors with regard to splash plugin not found. Seems like 
> there should have been a splash screen that is trying to be updated but then 
> it does not exist. And yes, boot it still slow.

thats because I removed that, but some script is still trying to use it. It's 
harmless

> 
>>> - timezone management isn't working (the files just aren't there
>>> in /usr/share/timezone). Also the time itself can't be changed.
>> hmmm...
>> indeed. sorry. I will update with a new image.
> 
> I hope it will be possible to just upgrade from the current install i just 
> spent a few hours setting up the moko, transferring contacts etc. (My 
> previous 
> motoming phone does not have an export all feature)

ok. I will put up a ipkg of the needed zoneinfo files.

> 
>>> - echo problem is back
>> odd.
>>
>>> - alarm keeps vibrating the phone, after pressing "snooze"
>>> - each received call arrives twice, causing the second call to show up
>>> as "missed"
>> also odd. I haven't seen this.
>>
>>> The image is called 4.4.1, but my phone reports it as 4.4.2 ... I
>>> thought it was going to be 4.4.3?
>> Thats because its really a snapshot. which is just 4.4.1 + a few bug fixes.
> 
> I do not use the FR as my primary phone yet so have not tested how well it 
> manages calls.
> 
> Ps: Lorn, In your blog post for today, you mention dynamic rotation. Does 
> that 
> mean it adjusts based on accelerometer reading? I could only find one 
> application where i had to tap on the screen to make it rotate.

We have not done anything with motion sensors yet. So it is not automatic 
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Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4

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Vince M. Clark wrote:
> I switched a setting to make the menus do the wheel thing (didn't 
> realize what I was doing when I selected it) and now I cannot select 
> anything. Touchscreen doesn't respond to selection on the wheel. So now 
> I can't get to settings, apps, etc. Guess I'll re-flash.
> 
> While I was able to get to apps I don't recall seeing the webkit browser 
> or a GPS app. Am I missing something?

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Re: [SPAM] Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4

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Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:43:23 +0200
> Petr Vanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>
>> No problem here. I reflashed previous QT snapshot 4.3 so i presume if
>> you use kernel from 4.3 you are ready to go.
>>
>> unless...I was also looking at the "services" screen or what it's
>> called in QT4.4 so i might have activated USB networking by an
>> accident and it's kernel independent? Check it out anyways.
>>
> 
> hmmm ... I'm guessing that image isn't the official released one, too
> many bugs (old and new):
> 
> - lots of kernel-warnings spit out during booting (using
> uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin from I believe the
> previous 4.3.x snapshot version). Or maybe this is a uimage issue?

yes, this has nothng to do with qtextended.

> - timezone management isn't working (the files just aren't there
> in /usr/share/timezone). Also the time itself can't be changed.
hmmm...
indeed. sorry. I will update with a new image.

> - echo problem is back

odd.

> - alarm keeps vibrating the phone, after pressing "snooze"
> - each received call arrives twice, causing the second call to show up
> as "missed"

also odd. I haven't seen this.

> 
> The image is called 4.4.1, but my phone reports it as 4.4.2 ... I
> thought it was going to be 4.4.3?

Thats because its really a snapshot. which is just 4.4.1 + a few bug fixes.




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Re: How to build qt-extended?

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Nicola Mfb wrote:
> I'm trying to build qt-extended myself, but build process fails, anyone 
> may help?
> 
> This is what i did:
> 
> cd /opt
> wget http://qtextended.org/downloads/neo/arm920t-eabi-ficgta01-toolchain.tgz
> tar xzvfC arm920t-eabi-ficgta01-toolchain.tgz /
> wget 
> http://qtextended.org/downloads/source/qt-extended-opensource-src-4.4.1.tar.gz
> tar xvzf qt-extended-opensource-src-4.4.1.tar.gz
> mkdir build
> cd build
> export QTOPIA_DEPOT_PATH=/opt/qt-extended-4.4.1
> $QTOPIA_DEPOT_PATH/configure -device neo
> 
> it results in:
> 
> 
> ***
> Configuring Qt Extended (expanded commandline):
> -using-device neo -ui-type mobile -dynamic-rotation -ssl -dbus -libamr
> -pictureflow -add-mediaengines cruxus -add-modules bluetooth 
> -add-modules cell
> -add-modules connectivity -add-modules devtools -add-modules essentials
> -add-modules games -add-modules inputmethods -add-modules location 
> -add-modules
> media -add-modules messaging -add-modules pim -add-modules pkgmanagement
> -add-modules telephony -add-modules ui -displaysize 480x640 -font
> dejavu_sans_condensed:10,12,13,16,28:50 -font
> dejavu_sans_condensed:13,14,15,16,20,21,23,32,36:75 -xplatform linux-neo-g++
> -arch arm -languages en_US -prefix /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia
> -extra-qtopiacore-config -qt-mouse-tslib -sound-system alsa -mkconf -make
> /usr/bin/gmake -no-save-options -make /usr/bin/gmake -using-mkconf
> -no-save-options
> ***
> 
> 
> This is the Qt Extended Open Source Edition.
> 
> You are licensed to use this software under the terms of the GPL.
> Please see the file LICENSE.GPL for the licensing terms.
> 
> Type 'yes' to accept this license offer.
> Type 'no' to decline this license offer.
> 
> Do you accept this license agreement? yes
> 
> Testing the system Qt: OK
> Qt Extended is using the following locations:
> Qt  PREFIX  = /usr
> Qt  LIBRARIES   = /usr/lib/qt4
> Qt  BINARIES= /usr/bin
> Qt  HEADERS = /usr/include/qt4
> Qt Embedded SOURCE tree = /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1/qtopiacore/qt
> Qt Embedded BUILD  tree = /opt/build/qtopiacore/target
> Qt Extended SOURCE tree = /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1
> Qt Extended BUILD  tree = /opt/build
> Qt Extended SDKtree = /opt/build/sdk
> 
> Checking the compiler (host): OK (GCC 4, Little Endian)
> Checking the compiler (target): OK (GCC 4, Little Endian)
> Bootstrap QBuild: ... OK
> Testing QBuild: OK
> Testing for ALSA: OK
> Testing Qt Extended Media Engines: cruxus
> Checking QMAKE_RPATH: -Wl,-rpath-link,
> Testing for OpenSSL: FAIL
> ERROR: You requested -ssl but it was disabled.
> gmake: *** [src/build/mkconf/configure] Error 1
> 
> adding -no-ssl switch to configure line:
> 
> 
> ***
> Configuring Qt Extended (expanded commandline):
> -using-device neo -ui-type mobile -dynamic-rotation -ssl -dbus -libamr
> -pictureflow -add-mediaengines cruxus -add-modules bluetooth 
> -add-modules cell
> -add-modules connectivity -add-modules devtools -add-modules essentials
> -add-modules games -add-modules inputmethods -add-modules location 
> -add-modules
> media -add-modules messaging -add-modules pim -add-modules pkgmanagement
> -add-modules telephony -add-modules ui -displaysize 480x640 -font
> dejavu_sans_condensed:10,12,13,16,28:50 -font
> dejavu_sans_condensed:13,14,15,16,20,21,23,32,36:75 -xplatform linux-neo-g++
> -arch arm -languages en_US -prefix /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia
> -extra-qtopiacore-config -qt-mouse-tslib -sound-system alsa -no-ssl -mkconf
> -make /usr/bin/gmake -no-save-options -make /usr/bin/gmake -using-mkconf
> -no-save-options
> ***
> 
> 
> This is the Qt Extended Open Source Edition.
> 
> You are licensed to use this software under the terms of the GPL.
> Please see the file LICENSE.GPL for the licensing terms.
> 
> Type 'yes' to accept this license offer.
> Type 'no' to decline this license offer.
> 
> Do you accept this license agreement? yes
> 
> Testing the system Qt: OK
> Qt Extended is using the following locations:
> Qt  PREFIX  = /usr
> Qt  LIBRARIES   = /usr/lib/qt4
> Qt  BINARIES= /usr/bin
> Qt  HEADERS = /usr/include/qt4
> Qt Embedded SOURCE tree = /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1/qtopiacore/qt
> Qt Embedded BUILD  tree = /opt/build/qtopiacore/target
> Qt Extended SOURCE tree = /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1
> Qt Extended BUILD  tree = /opt/build
> Qt Extended SDKtree = /opt/build/sdk
> 
> Checking the compiler (host): OK (GCC 4, Little Endian)
> Checking the compiler (target): OK (GCC 4, Little Endian)
> Bootstrap QBuild: ... OK
> Testing QBuild: OK
> Testing for ALSA: OK
> Testing Qt Extended Media Engines: cruxus
> Checking QMAKE_RPATH:

Re: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released!

[Lorn Potter]

Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
> Lorn Potter wrote:
>> I wrote:
>>> but... Where are sources and binaries?
>> We usually release the open source packages a couple days after the 
>> commercial release.
>>
>> They will be at the new site:
>> http://qtextended.org
>>
>> As soon as I can. Hopefully by this weekend.
> 
> Cool... Btw I've seen that there are also some commercial (premium)
> modules that could be integrated with Qtopia, also if they're not open
> source. Well, will be there a way to get the torch mobile browser, for
> example?

This is the full functionality Iris web browser. This was not developed by Qt 
Software. There is a 
simple example web browser in the qtextended sources. You would have to contact 
the premium module 
companies to find out if they are releasing a version for the Neo.

None of the 'premium' modules were developed by Qt Software. Qt Extended is 
fully dual licensed.

> According to its homepage, it shouldn't be free (as speech) but it seems
> at least freeware. I don't like too much these things, but it could be a
> good tool for who needs a better browser.
> 
> Also the eZi keyboard seems quite pretty... :|
> 
> 
> [1]
> http://trolltech.com/products/device-creation/qt-extended/premium-modules/torch-mobile



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Re: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released!

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Thomas Bertani wrote:
> wow! confirmed new features? gtalk, webbrowser, gps?
> In videos I can't see screen orientation, it is aviable?

Yes. dynamic rotation is available.

> 
> Thanks a lot for your work!

no worries!

> 
> 2008/9/30 Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> 
> � wrote:
>  > C�dric Berger wrote:
>  >> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 13:50, "Marco Trevisan (Trevi�o)"
>  >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>  >>> Is has been renamed to Qt Extended right now, isn't it?
>  >>>
>  >>> However there are some very interesting videos on the net [1]
>  >> renamed indeed... I had not seen this before :
>  >> http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/09/28/qt-extended/
>  >
>  > Finally there are official news: Qt Extended 4.4 released [1]!
>  >
>  > Look at the many cool videos and see how the Freerunner works [2],
>  > but... Where are sources and binaries?
> 
> We usually release the open source packages a couple days after the
> commercial release.
> 
> They will be at the new site:
> http://qtextended.org
> 
> As soon as I can. Hopefully by this weekend.
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Re: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released!

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� wrote:
> C�dric Berger wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 13:50, "Marco Trevisan (Trevi�o)"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Is has been renamed to Qt Extended right now, isn't it?
>>>
>>> However there are some very interesting videos on the net [1]
>> renamed indeed... I had not seen this before :
>> http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/09/28/qt-extended/
> 
> Finally there are official news: Qt Extended 4.4 released [1]!
> 
> Look at the many cool videos and see how the Freerunner works [2],
> but... Where are sources and binaries?

We usually release the open source packages a couple days after the 
commercial release.

They will be at the new site:
http://qtextended.org

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Re: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended ?

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� wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 13:50, "Marco Trevisan (Trevi�o)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Is has been renamed to Qt Extended right now, isn't it?
>>
>> However there are some very interesting videos on the net [1]
> 
> renamed indeed... I had not seen this before :
> http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/09/28/qt-extended/
> 
> Hey Lorn... you did not post this info on this list ?
> Is that because of this : "Changes in my job from Qtopia Community
> Liasion to Software Engineer" ?... so we won't be in touch with you as
> often as before ?

Nope. I changed titles two years ago already! :)
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Re: Qtopia 4.4 ?

[Lorn Potter]

Russell Hay wrote:
> Keen to try the Qtopia 4.4 image if/when it's available - does anyone 
> have an outlook? There are comments going back to June/July saying 
> 'coming soon'...

Only someone working in Qt Software. :)

4.4 is right around the corner.
It has dynamic rotation, webkit/example browser, a location API/example 
gps apps, Gtalk jabber thingy. and I cannot remember what else.

And something else that you'll have to read about when the announcement 
comes out.

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Re: 2008.8 default dialer crash on # or *

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Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:

> I've made a patch for it [1] and as you can see it works [2] :P, but I
> had no time yet to attach it to the trac (ehm, also because the other
> patches I've made to qtopia haven't been neither reviewed :|).

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Re: (Some?) 3G support for Linux from Nokia - relevant for future models?

[Lorn Potter]

Mikko Rauhala wrote:
> to, 2008-09-18 kello 05:45 +1000, Lorn Potter kirjoitti:
>> Mikko Rauhala wrote:
>>> Personally I'll be loathe to buy Nokia products anyway, they're just way
>>> too inconsistent with their policies and have no commitment to free
>>> software whatsoever.
>> I would beg to differ. Trolltech is now part of Nokia, Qt and Qtopia 
>> certainly are open source and I can tell you for certain, we are 
>> committed to keeping them open source.
> 
> Sure Nokia has some products which happen to be free software. That
> doesn't make them committed to free software, what with being eg.
> hostile to free formats,
IANAL, but... (nor am I a spokesperson for Nokia)
Nokia's position is that here are no 'free' codecs. _Everything_ has patents 
surrounding it.
According to Nokia's attorneys, ogg/vorbis is encumbered by patents as well, 
regardless of what Xiph 
says about it. Nokia does not want to chance getting sued over patents, they 
are _very_ costly. They 
have very deep pockets.
It's not just Nokia, it's other phone manufactures and mostly phone operators.

> a strong opponent of independent software

Have you seen forum.nokia.com? or maemo.org? Know about 'Qt Everywhere'?

> development in general through their patent lobby, very much clueless in
> top level press comments about these subjects, 
> and in general not being
> very consistent in what they're up to in this area.

Nokia employs thousands of _individuals_, we are not borg, nor do we all think 
and act the same.

> 
>> Maemo is quite good. That is pure Nokia. Qt and Qtopia are good, that is 
>> now from Nokia...
> 
> The tablet OS has significant proprietary portions, both third party and
> in-house - the latter having insiders commenting that it's difficult
> (when at all possible) to get the go-ahead to free the code properly.
> Not to mention the target hardware platform pretty much requires binary
> blob kernel code and such (last I checked anyway).
> 
> Not meaning to start a Nokia flamefest here, it was originally just a
> side comment, but since we have a (paid) on-list representative here,
> apparently a reminder of the other side of the coin is in order.

Not sure if you are aware, but I have my roots from within the community, was 
the community manager 
for a few years and I am very aware of the community side of things. I am a 
fence sitter. It is part 
of my job to see both sides.
I have done my share of complaining about Nokia's software patents (directly to 
the Finns too!), the 
closed-ness of maemo and (for a year or so) Qtopia.

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Re: (Some?) 3G support for Linux from Nokia - relevant for future models?

[Lorn Potter]

Marcus Bauer wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 05:45 +1000, Lorn Potter wrote:
>> I would beg to differ. Trolltech is now part of Nokia, Qt and Qtopia 
>> certainly are open source and I can tell you for certain, we are 
>> committed to keeping them open source.
> 
> I wonder what your plans are for the phone stack? I doubt that you are
> going FSO? At least to me this is a big horror as is much of the
> Openmoko software development. It is just not clear what the other open
> source players are doing? The single most important piece is the gsmd
> with muxing capabilities and some kind of stable API. Next important
> part is the power management.
> 
> Can you publically talk about where you are going?

Qtopia does not use gsmd, but has it's own gsm classes. Qtopia has 95% the 
needed parts for a 
workable phone. It has power management classes, as well. But the stableness 
and reliability of them 
depend on the underlying system to function properly.


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Re: (Some?) 3G support for Linux from Nokia - relevant for future models?

[Lorn Potter]

Mikko Rauhala wrote:
> Bumped into the following:
> http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/09/17/dr-ari-jaaksi-on-maemo-5/
> 
> Relevantly "Nokia is now Gold Sponsor of Linux Foundation, has
> contributed code today for 3G/HSPA cellular (data) connectivity for
> OMAP3 to Linux kernel"
> 
> I would interpret this as there being a free driver solution for 3G
> handset suitable chipsets now available, though perhaps I am missing
> some details? Good for 04 (you know, whenever) getting UMTS, one might
> hope?
> 
> Personally I'll be loathe to buy Nokia products anyway, they're just way
> too inconsistent with their policies and have no commitment to free
> software whatsoever.

I would beg to differ. Trolltech is now part of Nokia, Qt and Qtopia 
certainly are open source and I can tell you for certain, we are 
committed to keeping them open source.

Nokia is also a patron of KDE.

Thats more than I can say about other phone manufacturers...


> But, if something good comes out of them, that's,
> well, "good".

Maemo is quite good. That is pure Nokia. Qt and Qtopia are good, that is 
now from Nokia...


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Re: FSO/ASU not registering on the Australian Vodafone GSM network

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W.Kenworthy wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 13:11 +1000, Sarton O'Brien wrote:
>> On Wednesday 17 September 2008 13:00:31 W.Kenworthy wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 12:37 +1000, Sarton O'Brien wrote:
 On Tuesday 16 September 2008 19:22:59 Dale Maggee wrote:
> ...
>>> Query - is there anything you do to get the pin dialog up?  Have the
>>> dialler onscreen? - or just let it boot and it comes up automaticly?
>> It coincides with starting X. Usually a /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart is 
>> enough (or qpe restart?).
>>
>> I'm not sure if it will reprompt if the pin has already been entered 
>> successfully however.
>>
>> Sarton
>>
> 
> Good hint! - restarting X and it asked for the sim (why doesnt it ask on 
> bootup?)

might be because the Calypso modem in the FR is very slow to wake up and 
respond to initial 
commands. As well, it tends to fall asleep.

> 
> And I was able to connect and check voicemail! So at least its usable,
> now I have to figure out where the problem is.
> 
> Thanks everyone for putting me on the right track (set pin, restart X).
> 
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Re: Qtopia and VOIP

[Lorn Potter]

JW wrote:
>>> 2008/9/16 Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>> Sorry, voip had to be removed from Qtopia.
>>> Something to do with Nokia's wider commercial interests/partnerships?
>> No, something to do with Nokia's more vigilant attorneys.
> 
> 
> Hi lorn,
> 
> what other features have been removed or are under threat since Nokia joined 
> the
> table?[question suitable for a software engineer...]
> 
> why do Nokia view VOIP as legally dodgy? [question not suitable for a software
> engineer but still relevant to Qtopia's status within the FOSS community so
> perhaps one of your lawyers could answer?]

It's not voip itself they think is dodgy.

http://www.qtopia.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=51

We are looking at other voip/sip stacks for future integration, to replace the 
missing one.
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Re: Qtopia and VOIP

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Neil Jerram wrote:
> 2008/9/16 Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Sorry, voip had to be removed from Qtopia.
> 
> Something to do with Nokia's wider commercial interests/partnerships?

No, something to do with Nokia's more vigilant attorneys.

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Re: Qtopia and VOIP

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Nicola Mfb wrote:
> I rebuilded Qtopia with -voip for the freerunner, but i cannot see 
> settings->voip. Any hint?

Sorry, voip had to be removed from Qtopia.

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Re: Qtopia-core look consistency

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Nicola Mfb wrote:
> 
> [...]
> So there is a problem in qtopia/arm or i'm missing again somethink.
> This is the reason why i asked you how should i do to have
> consistency beetween the two SDK (arm - x86). Howewer i installed my
> built /opt/Qtopia on the Freerunner to be sure i used the same
> toolkit, but the problems are the same.
> 
> 
> Hi Lorn! after a two day headache i finally found the problem. In 
> Qtopiacore for arm qreal is a float while in i686fb qreal is double.
> I defined qreal as a float on i686 and recompiled it, and now i have the 
> same paint horror on the desktop :)
> The following is a snippet that you can use to show how is simple to 
> break a QPainterPath rendering in a QGraphicsScene/QGraphicsView:
> 
> #include 
> #include 
> #include 
> #include 
> 
> int main ( int argc, char *argv[] )
> {
> qDebug ( "sizeof qreal is %d",sizeof ( qreal ) );
> 
> QtopiaApplication app ( argc, argv );
> QGraphicsScene *qgs = new QGraphicsScene;
> QGraphicsView *qgv = new QGraphicsView ( qgs );
> qgv->showMaximized();
> 
> QPainterPath *qpp = new QPainterPath;
> 
> qpp->moveTo ( 18164355,12559962 );
> qpp->lineTo ( 18164319,12560006 );
> qpp->lineTo ( 18164273,12560058 );
> qpp->lineTo ( 18164262,12560068 );
> qpp->lineTo ( 18164253,12560074 );
> qpp->lineTo ( 18164242,12560080 );
> qpp->lineTo ( 18164232,12560085 );
> qpp->lineTo ( 18164222,12560093 );
> qpp->lineTo ( 18164221,12560106 );
> qpp->lineTo ( 18164224,12560112 );
> qpp->lineTo ( 18164231,12560113 );
> qpp->lineTo ( 18164239,12560112 );
> 
> QGraphicsPathItem *p=new QGraphicsPathItem ( *qpp );
> QPen pen ( Qt::white );
> //pen.setWidthF(1.0); //UNCOMMENTING THIS BREAKS PAINTING
> p->setPen ( pen );
> qgs->addItem ( p );
> 
> QRect r ( 18164355-qgv->width() /2,12559962-qgv->height() 
> /2,qgv->width(),qgv->height() );
> qgv->setSceneRect ( r );
> 
> return app.exec();
> }
> 
> Run it twice toggling the pen.setWidthF line comment and you'll se wath 
> i'm saying.
> 
> Hoping this may help, i'd like to follow/contribute to further 
> investigation on a bug tracking system, is there one for qtopia?

Yes there is. I think this would be a good one. thanks
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Re: Qtopia-core look consistency

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Nicola Mfb wrote:
> My applications has different looks on pc/qt4, on qvfb/i686fb, and on 
> the Freerunner with official qtopia.

It will depend on theme used, screen resolution and dpi.
Use the ficgta01 skin and the finxi theme to mimic what is default for 
the Neo.

Qtopia has its own themes, lok and feel, so straight qt apps will look 
out of place.


> The last has a lot of problems on a QGraphicsScene/QGraphicsView, broken 
> painterpaths, no rounded edges, no antialiasing, weird fonts, bad 
> collision detection and so on.
> I'd like to know the exact src tarball used to build qtopia for the 
> Freerunner and the configure command line, hoping that using it to build 
> my SDK will give me the same results. Actually, infact, i'm trying to 
> debug on the device directly (as only there i have problems!), but it's 
> a real pain! I was not able to have a qemu-1973 with qtopia too.

ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/snapshots/qtopia-opensource-src-4.3.2-snapshot-20080912.tar.gz

You can either grab the ficgta02 sdk iso, or the toolchain. But I havent 
updated the toolchain with the gstreamer and ssl includes and libs, yet. 
(these can easily be configured out by editing the 
devices/ficgta01/configure file and removing gstreamer and -ssl argument.

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Re: Trolltech Qtopia (not X11) on 2008.8 base rootfs

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Cédric Berger wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 23:09, Cédric Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Ok thanks, this way I could get the error message :
>>
>> "qpe: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot
>> open shared object file: No such file or directory"
>>
> 
> So I just did an opkg install libstdc++6 and qpe could finally start:-)

yes, g++ now has the silly notion that it needs to link libstdc++ to everything 
it compiles, even if 
it does not need it like Qt and Qtopia.
There is a configure argument to turn off this silliness (when configuring 
g++), but I forget what 
it is. Some toolchains g++ automatically link in libstdc++ for 'you' and some 
do not. Any toolchain 
from OE will exhibit this behavior (since it is g++ default mode).





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Re: Trolltech Qtopia (not X11) on 2008.8 base rootfs

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Cédric Berger wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 00:29, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> do /opt/Nokia/Qtopia/qpe.sh start
>> or ln -s /etc/init.d/qpe.sh /etc/rc5.d/S98qpe.sh
>> to make it start up automatically on boot. (dont forget to remove the link 
>> in /etc/rc5.d to xserver-nodm
>>
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> But I still can't get it start : it goes to the empty screen with
> blinking cursor at top, and stays stucked here.
> Where should I look for a log of what is happening ?

You can run qtopia form the console (ssh).
just do this:

source /opt/Nokia/Qtopia/qpe.env
qpe


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Re: QTopia 4.3.3 doesn't suspend at first

[Lorn Potter]

Thomas Bertani wrote:
> 
> 
> 2008/9/9 Jean-Eric Cuendet <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >
> 
> Hi,
> I installed the last image from Lorn of QTopia 4.3.3
> I have a problem: when I start it, it seems like if QTopia thinks
> the FR is powered by USB, so it doesn't go to sleep after 30 seconds.
> If I plug it to USB, it then detects the cable (the screen
> brightness is higher).
> If I unplug it, it detects now that it's unplugged (the screen
> brightness is lower). And after that, it suspends after 30 seconds.
> 
> So I think that at first boot, QTopia thinks it's connected to USB
> while it is not. And all becomes well after plug/unplug from USB.
> Where is the status of the plug/unplug stored?
> Have someone an idea where to look to debug?
> This is easily reproducible on my FR.
> Lorn?
> 
> Thanks.
> -jec
> 
> 
> 
> This appends also for me... same thing
> 

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Re: Trolltech Qtopia (not X11) on 2008.8 base rootfs

[Lorn Potter]

Cédric Berger wrote:
> I would like to be able to install Trolltech's Qtopia on top of a
> fresh distro such as the latest testing 2008.8 base distro.
> 
> For now I mostly use qtopia distro form qtopia.net
> The rootfs released by qtopia.net can't opkg upgrade. It uses
> buildhost, not available anymore.
> 
> 
> I could not find what is needed to have Qtopia work on a given rootfs ?
> 
> So far, I just tried installing /opt/Nokia/Qtopia/ stuff on 2008.8
> base (from http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/ ),
> then (after a /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop ), launching
> /opt/Nokia/Qtopia/qpe.sh(or putting it in /etc/init.d/ and
> rebooting).

do /opt/Nokia/Qtopia/qpe.sh start
or ln -s /etc/init.d/qpe.sh /etc/rc5.d/S98qpe.sh
to make it start up automatically on boot. (dont forget to remove the link in 
/etc/rc5.d to xserver-nodm

> 
> It did not work (stays on empty screen with cursor only)
> 
> Do I have to put something more in /home/root ? Or elsewhere ?
> Disable something more in 2008.8 ?
> 
> Once this work, what I would be cool is to be able to quickly switch
> beetween 2008.8 X11 stuff and Qtopia framebuffer based stuff :
> 2 scripts, one to do the stop X11 server and some services then aunch
> qpe,  and one for the other way around.
> Is it as easy as it looks ?
> 
> This would replace what I do now : shutdown then reboot on another 
> partition...
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Re: [qtopia] Does qtopia desktop work with freerunner?

[Lorn Potter]

Kieran Fleming wrote:
> Lorn,
> Could you perhaps point us in the direction of this program? I haven't
> been able to find it myself, and I worry it's one of those Trolltech
> secrets :)

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Re: [qtopia] Does qtopia desktop work with freerunner?

[Lorn Potter]

Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano wrote:
> Vinc Duran ha scritto:
>> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Cédric Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 16:30, Kieran Fleming
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>>  > Lorn,
>>  > Could you perhaps point us in the direction of this program? I
>> haven't
>>  > been able to find it myself, and I worry it's one of those Trolltech
>>  > secrets :)
>>  >
>>
>> I think it is a commercial plugin for Outlook (must search on
>> Trolltech site...)
>>
>>
>> I would pay a reasonable amount :-)
>>
>>
> 
> Qtopia is using a new protocol or an existing one like SyncML or another 
> one? If it's new there are some infos/sources so that someone can write 
> a plugin to sync his evolution or thunderbird with freerunner?
> 
> It's only a question

Its all documented.

http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/qtopiadesktop/overviews.html
http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/qtopiadesktop/tasks.html

But qdsync (qtopiadesktop) is not included in the open source package.



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Re: Qtopia on Freerunner: Firsts steps of a newbee

[Lorn Potter]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> Anyway, from where have you got this information?
> 
> From the fact that only files in /media/card are shown in the media
> player. I think it's called "try and error" in english.

/media/card/ and ~/Documents/

Use the Storage.conf file to add other directories to scan.

And it is documented:
http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/syscust-docstorage.html

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Re: [qtopia] Does qtopia desktop work with freerunner?

[Lorn Potter]

Thomas Bertani wrote:
> 
> 
> 2008/9/4 dorje <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> 
> Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
>  > Qtopia Desktop is for Qtopia 2. and probably works with Opie. But not
>  > Qtopia 4 as on the Freerunner.
> 
> 
> Are you sure? and so what is the sync mode aviable in the qtopia fr menu?Yes.

I am quite sure.

The 'Synchronization' app in Qtopia 4 uses 'Sync Agent' to sync with 
Microsoft Outlook. It is not compatible with Qtopia Desktop from Qtopia 2.
 
http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/qtopiadesktop/over-desktop-synchronization-1.html

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Re: [qtopia] Does qtopia desktop work with freerunner?

[Lorn Potter]

dorje wrote:
> Hi all!
> 
> I installed Qtopia Desktop but I cannot connect to the freerunner.
> The message is:
> 
> "Could not connect to the Qtopia device".
> 
> I can connect to my freerunner via ssh and I put the correct
> IP address on Qtopia Desktop settings.
> 
> Is Qtopia Desktop supposed to work with the freerunner?

Qtopia Desktop is for Qtopia 2. and probably works with Opie. But not 
Qtopia 4 as on the Freerunner.



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Re: qtopia update

[Lorn Potter]

Victor Chernyshev wrote:
> Hi Lorn,
> 
> any plans to create similar snapshot for gta01?

The qtopia update will work for both gta01 and gta02 and use the exact 
same binaries. The 'flash' files will be separate for obvious reasons.


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Re: qtopia update

[Lorn Potter]

Sarton O'Brien wrote:
> Hi Lorn,
> 
> On Tuesday 02 September 2008 10:30:14 Lorn Potter wrote:
>> I have updated qtopia at qtopia.net
>>
>> Fixes include sms messages not retrieved after resume. Qtopia getting
>> confused between two calls. Make default call volume down and mic up (only
>> in flash update). Added echo fix.
>>
>>
>> Enjoy!
> 
> I think Qtopia is great but admittedly removed it after less than a day due 
> to 
> there being now browser available.
> 
> I would really like to use Qtopia, can you suggest a method of obtaining a 
> functional browser for Qtopia?

wait for 4.4

> 
> If this is a trolltech obscurity thing then so be it, I'll happily stick with 
> what I'm using but thought I'd ask first.

No, it's a Nokia obscurity thing.


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Re: qtopia update

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Vince M. Clark wrote:
> Lorn - this is great, thanks. Any idea when a 4.4 version will be released?


Yes, but I cannot say. soon...


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qtopia update

[Lorn Potter]

I have updated qtopia at qtopia.net

Fixes include sms messages not retrieved after resume. Qtopia getting confused 
between two calls. 
Make default call volume down and mic up (only in flash update). Added echo fix.


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Re: AT%N0187 openmoko echo patch?

[Lorn Potter]

Jim Morris wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Cesar Eduardo Barros wrote:
>>> NeilBrown escreveu:
>>>   
>>>> On Mon, September 1, 2008 6:59 pm, Yorick Moko wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>   
>>>>>> They certainly are not in our copy of the calypso spec's that we got
>>>>>> directly from TI. If it is, I must be missing it, and haven't found it.
>>>>>> 
>> But couldn't both of those have been documented? And if they have not 
>> been, might be classed as incompetent. They are after all just part of 
>> the modem instruction set.
>>
>> To not release the entire lot is a bit lame.
>>
> 
> Using an undocumented feature in a chip is very dangerous. Minor changes to 
> the fab, even though the 
> chip has the same number may change or remove that undocumented feature that 
> the phones now rely on.
> 
> If this is going to be adopted in builds, then someone at OM needs to get TI 
> to officially support 
> that feature so that it does not disappear later.

If it disappears later, we do have the source and can simply remove the 
additions. As well, it is 
not going to hurt because the modem would just respond with an error and move 
on to the next command.


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