Re: [Gta04-owner] No gta-04 available
Hi, I found this one : http://honglixin-hk.en.alibaba.com/product/555784898-213451334/LQ070Y3DG3B_SHARP_7_0_SIZE_LCD_TFT_LED_800_480_WLED.html As the price on the page is 10$ (!!), I prefered to send a request for 500 pcs. I'll post the answer a soon as I got it. Regards Thomas - Mail original - | De: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com | À: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org | Envoyé: Lundi 22 Octobre 2012 17:10:18 | Objet: Re: [Gta04-owner] No gta-04 available | | Hi, | | | You are unfortunately the second last on the backorder list. So it | will take a little longer. | | | A rough estimate for smallest quantities (e.g. 5 units): | | * a GTA04 (custom) board inside - could become cheaper if no UMTS | GPS capabilities | * a Sharp LQ070Y3DG3B display [1] ~130 EUR (incl. VAT) @ Avnet | Express [2] | * Battery ~30 EUR (incl. VAT) | * PCB + internal components incl. production ~50-100 EUR (incl. VAT) | * Shapeways case ~77 EUR (incl. VAT) | * plus UMTS antenna, GPS antenna (if wanted) ~30 EUR | | If someone knows a cheaper source for a display than [2], please let | us know. | | Provided there is enough interest, we could offer a kit made of | battery and | complete PCB and offer the required GTA04-Custom variant (there are | some | connectors not installed). And everyone could buy a display and a | Shapeways | case whereever he/she likes. | | Would that be interesting to have components DIY? Or would there | be more interest in completely assembled devices? | | Nikolaus | | [1] | http://www.panelook.com/LQ070Y3DG3B_SHARP_7.0_LCM_overview_9649.html | [2] | http://octopart.com/partsearch#search/requestDataq=%20LQ070Y3DG3B | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | -- ¤º°`¯ ¯`°²º¤æ=¬« Thomas HOCEDEZ »¬=椺²°`¯ ¯`°º ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [dfu-util] who use it for flashing FR?
On 08/05/2012 09:45, urodelo wrote: I always use dfutils for flashing android on nand urodelo I'm a bit out-of-subject, but which images are you using ? thx Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Serdar Dere Android on Freerunner Mirrors ?
On 04/05/2012 10:14, David Matthews wrote: +++ urodelo [04/05/12 09:35 +0200]: Hi, you can find updated (but experimental) builds for both nand and sd here: http://serdar-dere.net/~ran/ Hi Thomas yeah urodelo is correct, in fact that's where I got them from - the same files are still there so I think you do not need me. Well thank you very much both ! I found the cupcake images pretty damn stable - in fact I liked them so much I eventually bought an android phone (the larger screen did it for me). That's probably not the recommendation that Alexander would like :) but battery life was the only drawback cf qtmoko and shr as far as I was concerned. It's just to test if the phone, every distro hangs at startup ... If it is definitly broken , I will (try) transform it into a PirateBox ! Thanks again for the link, I'll backup those file immediately. Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Serdar Dere Android on Freerunner Mirrors ?
Hi, I was looking back for the Serdar Dere's android installers. It was great, and I'm sad the site is empty now. Does anyone has any backup of those images/files ? Thanks a lot Thomas/AstHrO ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Serdar Dere Android on Freerunner Mirrors ?
On 03/05/2012 22:47, dmatthews.org wrote: Hi Thomas I was looking back for the Serdar Dere's android installers. It was great, and I'm sad the site is empty now. Indeed yes Does anyone has any backup of those images/files ? I have android-on-freerunner-cupcake-daily-20110312.tar.gz and android-on-freerunner-cupcake-sd-daily-20110312.tar.gz Both work well, but eat battery even by freerunner standards; the sd card version is best if you want to customize things. I could stick either or both on a server temporarily if you like. Ho yeah I'll be really happy ! I have a Moko with (I think) a 'hole' in the NAND, and Android on Sd is the best solution ... Let me know where you put them or if you want an account somewhere to drop it. Thanks alot by advance Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Qtmoko all version : strange segfault
Hi freerunists ! A friend of mine have a moko that segfault at the beginning of QtMoko (all versions). As the logs are empty, it is a bit difficult to track somrthing. Do you know how to activate logs ? When the firs clock appear when the screen appears, a little black square with a carret appears on the top left, and the clock stop turning. I tried to restart qpe manually, I only see a segmentation fault message, everything else works great (internals, commnications ...) Does anybody have an idea of what could the problem be ? on SHR the same segfault arrives just after boot. I think it might be a component error, or filesystem. Thanks a lot. Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSDEM 2012: Ready... set... GO!
On 03/02/2012 23:01, Niels Heyvaert wrote: Dear all, We've been working on the FOSDEM presentation with the people from Golden Delicious, QtMoko, SHR and Debian. The AoF part is also in, of course. The final review is done and we're all set to go. Our talk has moved from a lightning talk to a 30min presentation in the Open Mobile Devroom (building AW) starting at 12h00 till 12h30. See the schedule here: http://www.fosdem.org/2012/schedule/track/open_mobile_linux_devroom I'll be passing by the Golden Delicious stand before and after the talk. Hope to see you all in the Devroom and at the Golden Delicious stand before or after the talk. Kind regards, Niels-- Microsoft gives you windows, Linux gives you the whole house. Great ! See you there ! Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] new theme: MokoFaen
On 12/12/2011 11:54, Joif wrote: Hi people There is a new theme that I worked on: MokoFaen. It is the continuation of the work done on Faenqo/Faenqomod and it is inspired, in part, from the today smartphone GUIs (just to not say that... it shamelessly copies them ;) ). yop ! sweet, clear nice : adopted as default one ! Thanks a lot. Thomas (In free software, we don't copy, we fork ;-D) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The idea of making the MOKO tab
Le 09/11/2011 21:32, Alexander Lehner a écrit : On Wed, 9 Nov 2011, elf Pavlik wrote: Someone have just showed me yesterday this one: http://wetab.mobi/en/ It says 'Open Software, Open Hardware' but don't seam to me like open source hardware... Still it runs version of MeeGo as you can see on this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOBUdiPZ1hA Ha, I applied to this company a few years ago, when the product was still in the pre-alpha phase. I guess it was shortly after the Neo came out and I was interested in opensource development. I didn't take the job for other personal reasons. But there already the whole sofware and hardware stack seemed not open at all. So if you take all disadvantages of the NEO and the iPad, you will get this 'weTab'. (Sorry weTab-guys for the hard criticism). Similair to FIC/OpenMoko, their business plan seems not to work out. And I guess there is no community around the weTab at all. Maybe also have a look at the new 1-Laptop-per-Child XO/3 tablet (german news site): http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/OLPC-Gruender-will-Tablets-mit-dem-Hubschrauber-verteilen-1374592.html (Hardware is still a mock-up, of course...) I still prefer the 'wooden-case' version after all these discussions ;) A. Hi all, The idea is great, and (I thiunk) not so much hard to do. The project could be based on the GTA04 hardware, (because it can be used with a larger screen, with higher resloution), thoug the GTA02 won't ba able to. So it is only a problem of finding a new touchscreen, and a case (as usual ,-) ). It could be a good idea to ask to Dr Nocholaus Scheller for the screen. Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 Boot speed comparison
On 21/09/2011 13:45, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Here is a short video showing booting * GTA02 (with quite old OM2009.5 - modern SHR and QtMoko are faster) * GTA04 (with Debian Squeeze 6.0.2 and LXDE) and * iPhone 3G (iOS 4.2.1): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG31rCHZXh4 The winner is ... ... find out yourself! ___ I didn't know the iOS is s long to boot ! And choosing OM2009.5 is a tricky choice to win ;-D... GTA02 boots faster on recent distros. But good thing to see a GTA04 working ! I Really need to see it in shops. Regards, Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04A3 test progress
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 03:25:43 +0200 Christoph Mair m...@chonyota.net wrote: Hi, finally here is a status update on the GTA04A3 board. That's what I've done until now to test it: - attach power, serial console works - boot from sd card (works) - revert I2C-fix from u-boot and kernel - works without: the hardware is ok, the power supply issues are gone. - test switches and LEDs (seems ok) - turn GPS on and off (works, didn't wait for a fix yet) - attach an external GPS antenna (was not recognized, maybe my antenna is broken) - boot debian and lxde (works) - test touch screen (works) - attach an USB cable (gives errors in dmesg, GTA04 is not recognized as USB device, usb host not tested yet) - add driver and firmware for WLAN (chip is recognized, driver seems to be buggy, does not execute commands) - enable bluetooth (without success yet) Enough for today, I will continue tomorrow. Good night, Christoph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community So many good news, I hope you will sleep a bit now, 3:25 am is a good time to go to bed! Do you have the GSM chip enabled ? -- Thomas HOCEDEZ thomas.hoce...@free.fr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shiftd
On 09/06/2011 18:17, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Dear Community! (..)No circuit boards were printed. Steel tooling wasn't cut. Mass production didn't dent our view of reality. No. This time, ones and zeros were all it took to assembly Openmoko's fourth product: shiftd.com - A web service to bookmark, share, and discover videos worth watching. I wish it have at least a small PCB board, or small things to solder... I'm not fond of You-thing videos, and I'm not sure this is OpenMoko's (OpenMobileKomunication) job to do this kind of aggregation tools. Furthermore : I receive enough dents on identi.ca with links to videos : that is the same job. Idea #1: I still wonder why Openmoko didn't work a bit on GTA04 project... Idea #2: Wikireader has USB capabilities, but I'm not smart enough to unlock it. It could be really funny to use it (as a small info touchscreen, interface, remote ...) Idea #3: I saw this week some really cheap phones (35€), with only phone/SMS capabilities, but colour screen BT. I bought one, but the OS is totally crap buggy. I wish I could update the code, compile reflash it with my own one... Idea #4: Easy navigation system (based on OSM), wifi enabled to sync (R/W) with PC, to update infos from your desk to your car... reverse ! Idea #5: Build brand new projects based on the community ideas ... Thomas, disapointed. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shiftd
On 10/06/2011 12:05, Giacomo 'giotti' Mariani wrote: Hi, Here are my ratings out of 10 for Openmoko products :- GTA01 - 5 GTA02 - 10 Wikireader - 0 Shiftd - 0 What does anyone else think? GTA01 - 10 GTA02 - 7 Wikireader - 0 Shiftd - 0 Regards Giacomo Instead of punshing against things done (and you already know the answer of your poll), could you suggest ideas to go ahead ? Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ANN: GTA04A2 engineering sample is now running Linux / will be shown at LinuxTag
The time is near my friend ! The time is near ! (it's a really good news though!) On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 23:09:44 +0200 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Dear all, after all the previous announcements that were certainly not encouraging and making everybody happy, I have this time really good news. And hope that there are only good news to report in the future... We have finally found a way to patch the power supply issue of our first engineering sample board and are since this morning able to boot Linux and demonstrate LXDE on Debian. We will present this unique unit during LinuxTag on 11-14th May in Berlin. So please come! This power supply hack was to solder an additional 1.2V LDO chip (TPS73601DCQ) to give the CPU more supply power [1]. Apparently this is sufficient to solve the spurious shutdown issue, which was coming from a very suboptimal PCB layout of our engineering board. Anyway, the new GTA04A3 boards (which are already in production) have a heavily improved board layout so that I expect that they will never show this problem and are much more robust. After knowing how much the layout can and should be improved, I am still surprised that hacking the hardware with a 2 € LDO chip was a sufficient work-around... Here is finally a brand new video showing the device in (battery!) operation: [2] So we are looking forward to get the new GTA04A3 boards from SMD assembly (in approx. 4 weeks), connecting a display, inserting a SD card and a battery ... Happy easter time to everyone, Nikolaus Schaller [1]: http://download.goldelico.com/gta04/images/DSC00784.jpeg [2]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KnJc7eImQ4 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Thomas HOCEDEZ tho...@hocedez.fr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader Forth Simulator
le Fri, 8 Apr 2011 14:50:36 + (UTC) Greg Santucci thecodewi...@gmail.com a écrit: Carsten Strotmann (private carsten at strotmann.de writes: János Bolyai writes in his blog at http://createuniverses.blogspot.com/2011/03/wikireader-forth-simulator.html I bought a WikiReader recently, which apart from being a 4GB text only offline version of Wikipedia, comes with a fun feature where it can run any Forth programs which are placed on its internal mini SD card. I wrote this program so I could test my small Forth programs without having to swap the mini SD card in and out repeatedly. The current version can run most of the test programs exactly as they ... Hi, I'm the author of the Create Universes blog, and I'd like to thank you for mentioning my work here. By the way, my name is Greg Santucci, not János Bolyai. János Bolyai was a famous mathematician that I was merely quoting. Fyi, we also posted it on the French Openmoko Blog http://openmoko-fr.org/blog/index.php?post/2011/04/05/Un-%C3%A9mulateur-WikiReader-! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Thomas HOCEDEZ thomas.hoce...@free.fr pgpRiQ9nNq3xJ.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz Fix
le Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:55:47 +0100 Alfa21 freerun...@my.is.it a écrit: 2011-03-08@21:04 Wesley Frazier Anybody have any tips on mitigating the buzz? If I have a model with the buzz, will grabbing the GTA04 motherboard when it comes out correct it? try to low the gain of your mic with alsamixer during a call and if you like the result save the status in the scenario file(s) the drawback is you have to speak loud about gta04: it's a completely different hardware to be put inside your case, not an upgrade module for gta02 board... the only thing you keep from your current phone is just the plastic case and the display ;) (+the battery, maybe) (and I hope we don't have similar hw issues in the new gta04 too! ^_^) Nope, Hopefully the GTA04 will come with brand new issues, bugs problems. ;-D This is a joke, I'm waiting for one (to solve bugs) ! -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Have I fried my freerunner?
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 13:16:54 + John O'Hagan resea...@johnohagan.com wrote: Hi, After a couple of years of fairly trouble-free qtmoko-FR use, I used a cheap in-car charger on a recent trip. The charger died, and the FR itself began exhibiting a number of odd behaviours such as not coming back from suspend, indicating charging status when it was not charging, crashing, and after a couple of days, not booting into qtmoko at all. Instead, I get an error like debugfs dir creation failed -19, then a Debian login prompt. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to ssh into the FR to investigate, as it doesn't show up on my debian laptop as usbX or ethX, only as /dev/ACM0, so I'm stuck as to how to get the USB networking going. Any help appreciated. John ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Woo, don't smells good. But I would try to reflash it with QtMoko once again. or with a totally different distro such as Android. The secodn one has an installer that verbose the output of the flashing progress. This way, you can see if it fails to write on some clusters on the flash. Let us know the results ! -- Thomas HOCEDEZ thomas.hoce...@free.fr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSDEM Hackable Devices stand
Le 03/02/2011 21:15, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller a écrit : Wim has asked me to forward that the Hackable Devices stand will be located in Building AW. I will show the Openmoko Beagle Hybrid and the GTA04 engineering sample. David will show the Nanonote. And I am sure there are many other Hackable devices to discuss about. See you Saturday/Sunday in Brussels, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Will you be selling some of them ? -- Thomas HOCEDEZ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New theme by a french ..
Le 03/02/2011 21:59, Francesco De Vita a écrit : Nooo! I don't want to believe it! This guy stolen my idea, a theme with the Faenza icons!! Noo! Hahahaha never mind :) I am to busy too work on a new theme in this period (but hey, there was the idea!), so... it is a really good work! :) But I have a question, are these pictures a mock up? or are they about a working theme? Regards Joif ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community This theme is NOT a mockup, it is a REAL one that rocks a lot ! I forward this message to the developper (I think he will find this funny, and hope that you'll won't send an army of lawyers towards him). He also made a webpage to host this theme : https://cyberesprit.fr/faenqo/ Have fun ! -- Thomas HOCEDEZ/openmoko-fr.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Replacement part for GTA02 speaker phone.
Hi list, While I was again disassembling my Freerunner, I lost my speakerphone (the one that you put near your ear). It felt down on the floor and might have felt down into a magical dark hole (the type of one that will bring back stuff when you just bought the replacement one). So I need to find something to replace this speaker, I tried with single headsets phones so, but no luck, I think this piece is really particular. If you have any documentation about this philips receiver (shown on parts list), I'll be happy to read. Thanks a lot, Asthro, deaf. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] buzzfix possible on fosdem?
Le 02/02/2011 23:04, Jan Vlug a écrit : On 02/02/2011 01:58 PM, Timo Jyrinki wrote: 2011/1/31 Jan Vlug jan.pub...@famvlug.nl: I'm considering to visit Fosdem on Sunday 6 February. Is there someone around who could buzzfix my Freerunner? According to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FOSDEM_2011 aSThRo might. -Timo Hello Thomas, As pointed out by Timo, you might fix some phones at Fosdem. I'm planning to come to Fosdem on Sunday. Would it be possible to fix my phone. Buzz fix, and maybe even more fixes? If possible this would be really cool. If so, do you have the required tools and components yourself? Thanks, Jan Vlug PS Unfortunately, my ISP marks my outgoing mail sometimes as spam. PPS Sorry for cross posting, but I thought this might be of interest for the Openmoko community list as well. Well, I'll bring my soldering iron, some caps, some wire and I'll ask Hackable Device / Tuxbrain for some room on a corner of a table ;-) I'll send you my phone number MP. -- Thomas HOCEDEZ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA04 : which new life for GTA02 motheboards ?
Hi, The idea to upgrade Gta02 with a GTA04 motherboard is excellent*, my question (kind of a poll), is what will we do with our old motherboards ?. As it is a little terminal, it can be used for a lot of stuff/projects, and I'd like to know if you have ideas ? Thanks Asthro / Openmoko-fr.org *except for the one who had not this phone. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 : which new life for GTA02 motheboards ?
On 22/11/2010 15:22, matteo sanvy wrote: You could make a little and low-power server wtih it, or a gps antenna for the netbook/notebook, or, also, you could make a combo with arduino using her antennas and accelerometers for some projects... I thought GTA04 use the old GPS... isnt it ? The idea of the server is nice, (mine is a netbook motherboard nailed on the wall!), but i have to add a ethernet dongle...Ho , I can make a fully wireless server (no network wire, no power wire !) ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Always Innovating
On 02/11/2010 16:44, Al Johnson wrote: On Tuesday 02 November 2010, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote: Le 01/11/2010 12:40, Al Johnson a écrit : On Monday 01 November 2010, Chuck Norris wrote: 01.11.2010 16:41, Ed Kapitein пишет: Hi All, A while ago there was intrest in the MID of always inovating. They seem to be shipping the devices as of today. [1] So get them while they'r fresh ;-) Kind regards, Ed [1] https://www.alwaysinnovating.com/store/home.php Did they add GSM/3G ? or something other features? In that timeframe? You've got to be joking! You're not kidding so much : the founder of A.I. just asked me today if I had finished the design of the plugin I want to build for the Minibook ! I have to work hard tonight ! It's good to know they're interested. What are you putting in the module? Are you using the public info about the 40pin connector, or do you have more to go on? The main idea I had was to plug everything through the 40pin connector. All the stuff will be contained in a case in parallel of the MiniMoko one. (a kind of 'slice' if you want). They wanted us to design the schema of what should be included the connections. For my part, I started with - 1 usb hub | free miniusb connector (to connect the outside world) | 3G usb key (some of them are working out of the box, got to find which) | GPS USB dongle (no idea of which one for now) \ Internal USB Port - Powering capabilities (through USB / extra battery?) There will be a problem in what size all this stuff will be, and as the MiniBook is 0.9cm wide, I don't want to make a hufghr sandwich ! If you have any idea/reference, it'll be welcome ! Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Always Innovating
Le 03/11/2010 13:28, Timo Juhani Lindfors a écrit : Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk writes: Also check they're capable of voice calls - not all of them are. Aren't they going to be too big and power hungry though? It wasn't clear to me whether the minibook had mic and earpiece suitable for phone use either. 3G modules would huawei E169 works with asterisk. nice ! and seems to be fitable in a small case : http://3g-modem.wetpaint.com/page/Huawei+E169+%28E169G,+E169V,+K3520%29 -- Thomas HOCEDEZ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Always Innovating
Le 01/11/2010 12:40, Al Johnson a écrit : On Monday 01 November 2010, Chuck Norris wrote: 01.11.2010 16:41, Ed Kapitein пишет: Hi All, A while ago there was intrest in the MID of always inovating. They seem to be shipping the devices as of today. [1] So get them while they'r fresh ;-) Kind regards, Ed [1] https://www.alwaysinnovating.com/store/home.php Did they add GSM/3G ? or something other features? In that timeframe? You've got to be joking! You're not kidding so much : the founder of A.I. just asked me today if I had finished the design of the plugin I want to build for the Minibook ! I have to work hard tonight ! -- Thomas HOCEDEZ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v28
On 20/10/2010 13:34, Alfa21-mobile wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Radek Polakpson...@seznam.cz wrote: Hi, there is now new v28 release of qtmoko ready for downloading flashing and testing. You can download it from our sourceforge page under Experimental folder [1]. please, - review and possibly include the patched version of the script for usb mass storage I sent some day ago. - roll back the power config patch about locked scenario to the previous state because it's bugged and not stable. (and no, it's not only a cosmetic bug) - please don't switch back and forth on odd/even numbers to indicate a stable or experimental release, or add a tag to the version number to do that, eg: v28exp or v28u VS v28 otherwise it's difficult to understand if it's ok for everyday use. btw, thank you all for the work! :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community As usual, works great, but the reboot-when-you-launch-dialer-after-changing-theme is still there... It is REALLY faster, - stop keepeing accelerating, I won't be fest enough to use my moko anymore !- Thanks AstHro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid - was: [Community Updates] 2010-08-01 is out
On 13/10/2010 08:15, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Again good news: we have won one of the new PandaBoards (OMAP4 / ARM Coretx A9) boards through the PandaBoard Early Adopter Program: http://omappedia.org/wiki/PandaBoard_Voting#PHASE-I_Winners http://omappedia.org/wiki/PEAP_Projects#Handheld_LCD_.26_GPS_.26_Navigation_Expansion_Board http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Beagle_Hybrid Our goal is to adapt the hard- and software of the Openmoko Beagle Hybrid to this new board. This will give even more power to future Openmoko devices. Nikolaus Am 14.09.2010 um 10:50 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: -- That's sound Excellent ! (still a lot of new work, but excellent news !) Thomas Hi, you may wonder what has happened to the Openmoko Beagle Hybrid [1] mentioned in the August Community update (cited below). First of all we had some delay with our SMD assembly company. They had holidays on one hand and more work than expected (economy appears indeed to flourish again). But now we have 10 kits available to find a new home. And we received a BeagleBoard XM some days ago and started to test the OM Hybrid. We found two major issues so far: 1. the BB-XM already comes with connectors soldered to the board. Unfortunately Murphy's law did hit us and the BB-XM uses the opposite gender as our approach for mounting to the BB-C4. We now have to adjust for that (by finding a simple adapter solution). 2. the BB-XM uses a different version of the bootloader that is not compatible with our own code extensions [2]. So we have to fix that so that our SD card image works on the both, the older BB-C and the new BB-XM. Why is the BB-XM important at all, considering that the BB-C4 is still available and a little cheaper? Well, the BB-XM comes with a new DM3730 processor (1 GHz ARM Cortex A8), has a built-in USB/Ethernet hub for 4 ports and a built-in RS232 converter. This makes it even more simple to experiment with Bluetooth, WiFi, UMTS sticks connected to the Openmoko Beagle Hybrid while still having a portable design (using an external battery pack) to do experiments. So we work on these issues and just need some more days to solve them. Nikolaus [1]: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Beagle_Hybrid [2]: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/ombeagle/ Am 04.08.2010 um 10:28 schrieb Timo Jyrinki: Newest community update now available at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2010-08-01 and simplified text version below. Community Most important and change making mails on the mailing lists, blogs etc.. Coolest hacks, screenshots, themes etc.. * Golden Delicious Computers released Openmoko Beagle Hybrid Boards including GPS and a gyroscope. At the same time, they announced - http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-July/062609.html - plans to develop the next open hardware phone. Based on a OMAP3530 SoC this device will bring a lot of computing power to your pocket. ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list smartphones-userl...@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Phone Project (MiniMoko) : Which functionalities ?
On 12/10/2010 04:57, Esben Stien wrote: Thomas HOCEDEZthomas.hoce...@free.fr writes: Always Innovating (A.I.), is opened to think about a collaboration They have no mailing lists for their projects?. This projects comes from us (community). So the mailing list for the project is here ;-). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Phone Project (MiniMoko) : Which functionalities ?
On 10/10/10 17:27, Al Johnson wrote: On Saturday 09 October 2010, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote: On 10/09/2010 06:15 PM, Al Johnson wrote: On Saturday 09 October 2010, Timo Jyrinki wrote: 2010/10/6 Eddered...@tkwsping.nl: Will it support headphone, with a microphone? I think it's safe nowadays to just assume Bluetooth headphones, ie. not all devices need the extra plugs if something has to be sacrificed. The 40 pin connector[1] has pins for headset left, right, mic and detect, so it should support a headset connecting through this at least. There is also a minijack socket that appears to be 3.5mm[2], but the spec[3] and pin disposition suggest this may be audio out only. If so it's an odd choice as there is a de fatcto standard for 4-pole minijacks for headphone and headset. 2010/10/6 giacomo 'giotti' marianigiacomomari...@yahoo.it: Looks like it miss USB connectivity and I need SSH strongly! Well SSH over Bluetooth personal area network works just fine, but indeed I'd also like USB port for charging and connecting other devices (host mode) USB is also on the 40-pin connector. Judging by the beagleboard, the OTG pins wil give gadget or OTG support while the other port will give host mode. There doesn't appear to be a 5V out pin though, so host mode may be unpowered. Personally I would rather see a pair of usb ports than the micro-HDMI and the barrel power connector, and make sure the headset connector is 4-pole with mic support. [1] http://alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/40-pin_connector [2] http://alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/MID_board [3] http://alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Smart_Book_specs Interesting notes ! I add them to the Do/Don't Do list. Where is this list? -- It's in my head, and in the ML also here : http://pollen.chorem.org/pollen/poll/votefor/6f8d4dbd06ca4ae9bb90d117a5dbaf79 I just answerd about a USB adapter (pluged into the 40pins). Perhaphs a multiport adapter, plugged in the 40pins, but with a 'U' form factor, so the wires will be parallel to the phone and behind. What about that ? Add some fold out legs and you have a docking station in the same unit. It's certainly neater than an octopus cable, or multiple adapters. In another post I suggested putting the 3G module, gps, pressure and ambient light sensors, magnetometer and gyro plus connectors in a small clip on module using the 40 pin connector. That makes phone and navigation hardware an option for those that want it without requiring AI to change their existing design, or force the extra expense on those that don't want it. The moko nav board v2 already shows the sensor circuit - 3.3v supply and i2c interface as available on the 40pin connector. There's a serial port for GPS too, which just leaves 3G, and perhaps some level shifting for the interfaces. Really really nice idea !!! I Like the idea of the dockable addon ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Phone Project (MiniMoko) : Which functionalities ?
On 10/10/10 17:42, Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau wrote: Looks like we have 2 different opinions here: 1. attach-all-possible-staff-to-MID add new holes new connectors and so on, e.g. people dreams about open extra-cool phone. I'm a bit confused by such unrealistic direction of developing MiniMoko, and it will require at least 1-2 years. 2. Use already created MiniBook, just add gsm/3g board inside. IMHO, more realistic idea and definitely require less efforts. And one more note: attaching anything via external 40pin port, will make device impossible to attach to Smartbook. Maksim Definitly, the way we wanted to go here is the 2nd one. But your note is excellent, and we have to ask : do we have to plug the MiniBook to the smartbook with all its stuff ? (I assume it is 'yes'...,but, We'll had the questions for A.I.) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Phone Project (MiniMoko) : Which functionalities ?
On 10/10/10 20:09, Alfa21 wrote: 2. Use already created MiniBook, just add gsm/3g board inside. IMHO, more realistic idea and definitely require less efforts. Certainly, space permitting. There may be enough space for navigation sensors too. They are easier to add than the 3G module, and have a similarly low requirement for case mods. imho 3g phone module have a certain priority over all the rest. I think we should do things gradually, step by step, just to be concrete. hey, I'm not saying the rest is crap! just do one thing and do it well, to start moving wheels :) I wish I say your words ;-) And one more note: attaching anything via external 40pin port, will make device impossible to attach to Smartbook. The MiniBook can be connected as normal after removing the module. We could design the module so that it can connect everything via USB, in which case the module could dock to one of the USB connections available in the SmartBook. so, why we don't just add the µ-usb port and use that both to connect that module, charge the phone, use it as flashdrive etc..? also you'd need one and only the usb port on the module so you'll be able to connect directly or through one of the others ports on the smartbook. and the barrel 5v connector is removable, imho. Nice analysis, we have to be concrete, simple efficient. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Phone Project (MiniMoko) : Which functionalities ?
On 10/10/10 20:53, Al Johnson wrote: On Sunday 10 October 2010, Alfa21 wrote: And one more note: attaching anything via external 40pin port, will make device impossible to attach to Smartbook. The MiniBook can be connected as normal after removing the module. We could design the module so that it can connect everything via USB, in which case the module could dock to one of the USB connections available in the SmartBook. so, why we don't just add the µ-usb port and use that both to connect that module, charge the phone, use it as flashdrive etc..? also you'd need one and only the usb port on the module so you'll be able to connect directly or through one of the others ports on the smartbook. Because the point of the module is that is doesn't require changes to the existing MiniBook. Much as I would like to replace the barrel and mini-HDMI with client and host usb sockets, that would require a board revision and new plastics. If that's being done then the board rev may as well include the bits that would have gone into the module. As there will be 3G + SimCard reader + USB plugs, yes, the plastics may suffer a bit. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Phone Project (MiniMoko) : Which functionalities ?
On 10/09/2010 08:03 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Em 09-10-2010 15:15, Chuck Norris escreveu: Dudes, what you think about normal usb instead microusb? many devices can be easily plugged into the phone. Not for long usage of course. flash drives, tv tuners, keyboard, gamepad, etc... µ-usb means a much smaller piece, contributing to smaller size, lesser weigh and particle penetration (dust, all) and more compliance with EU law. Don't know about prices, on one hand it's more common so should be less pricey, but on the other hand it has much more material. Rui _ Hello, This idea sounds a good one, but as Rui said, the main problem is a lack of space. The USB female connector is 4 to 6 times bigger than a MiniUSB one ... And when you work on a phone, you can put a lot of things in such place. But It's not a bad idea to add a miniUSB/USB adapter in the box (why not a 'U' adapter that let the USB device behind the phone (parallel)... I repeat : sounds good. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Phone Project (MiniMoko) : Which functionalities ?
On 10/09/2010 06:15 PM, Al Johnson wrote: On Saturday 09 October 2010, Timo Jyrinki wrote: 2010/10/6 Eddered...@tkwsping.nl: Will it support headphone, with a microphone? I think it's safe nowadays to just assume Bluetooth headphones, ie. not all devices need the extra plugs if something has to be sacrificed. The 40 pin connector[1] has pins for headset left, right, mic and detect, so it should support a headset connecting through this at least. There is also a minijack socket that appears to be 3.5mm[2], but the spec[3] and pin disposition suggest this may be audio out only. If so it's an odd choice as there is a de fatcto standard for 4-pole minijacks for headphone and headset. 2010/10/6 giacomo 'giotti' marianigiacomomari...@yahoo.it: Looks like it miss USB connectivity and I need SSH strongly! Well SSH over Bluetooth personal area network works just fine, but indeed I'd also like USB port for charging and connecting other devices (host mode) USB is also on the 40-pin connector. Judging by the beagleboard, the OTG pins wil give gadget or OTG support while the other port will give host mode. There doesn't appear to be a 5V out pin though, so host mode may be unpowered. Personally I would rather see a pair of usb ports than the micro-HDMI and the barrel power connector, and make sure the headset connector is 4-pole with mic support. [1] http://alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/40-pin_connector [2] http://alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/MID_board [3] http://alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Smart_Book_specs ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Interesting notes ! I add them to the Do/Don't Do list. I just answerd about a USB adapter (pluged into the 40pins). Perhaphs a multiport adapter, plugged in the 40pins, but with a 'U' form factor, so the wires will be parallel to the phone and behind. What about that ? AstHrO ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Phone Project (MiniMoko) : Which functionalities ?
On 06/10/2010 16:31, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Thomas HOCEDEZthomas.hoce...@free.fr writes: There's nothing much to improve, nothing to remove, just adding GSM/3G chip. Nikolaus Schaller pointed the OPTION GTM501, which is a brilliant little chip ! And if we use the same one, the porting of distros/software will be easier from one machine to another. I read http://www.option.com/en/products/products/modules/gtm501/specifications/#start that promises Fully documented APIs. Do you have access to these documents? This is the chip used for the GTA04, but I'm not working on it. I can ask the ones involved in the project if you want. (or find Dr Nikolaus Schaller on this ML) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Phone Project (MiniMoko) : Which functionalities ?
On 06/10/2010 17:17, Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau wrote: On 10/6/10, Thomas HOCEDEZthomas.hoce...@free.fr wrote: So, the first question is : What to add for this project being interresting ? Those will be minimal functions (forget Wimax, 4G, coffe machines or color printer ...). As for me I just want Voice Calls/SMS and thats all. Even gprs/3G not important, because I can attach separate dongle inside smartbook itself. Similar about GPS. Quality of FR's GPS was much worse than in separate devices, GPS inside MID might be even worse than in FR, implement nice GPS signal in MID could be very hard task. I'll prefer use separate GPS dongle. -- So you wan the ability to plug some dongles on it ...? Second question : Debian is able to run on such a device, but does developpers of other distributions can tell if it would be possible to port their on it ? MID is very similar to n900, we can say that SHR already supports it, similar for all others distros which supports BeagleBoard. Touchbook now supported by many OS'es. So it is a question which distros have FSO support. Andoid also could be a option, especially if AI's multi-OS support works nice. -- And an OS that is commercialy vendor is mandatory for the merketing plan. Maksim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community Digest, Vol 204, Issue 8
Hi Gennady, I'm proud of your answer. My idea for the future is based on the FR story. Building a device, that should be sold used immediatly after opening the box (not 2 years after ;-) ). So the nobody person, with just an idea of FOSS (or not) will be taunted, and everyone like here too. That's why FR got those problems : OS lacks. The hardware is still good now, 3 or 4 years after which is ENORMOUS on this market. It has some 'marketing issues' : no camera, no Faceboob application, but it was the first. And we can compare it to a teenager, not knowing how to handle his body. So no credibility. Now we have Android that can be ported being used a the commercial argument. So the software won't be a problem for the customer. Then if we have enough power inside the beast to let developpers have fun with it, it would be a double win ! And as you said, the Community is there, and as clever as active, so, it won't be a problem to find answers more ideas of what to do. This project can represent a 'step 2' of the Freerunner/Free phone adventure, there is one big chance to do something this way, and I will do whatever I can to make it happen. AstHrO. On 06/10/2010 21:59, Gennady Kupava wrote: Hey, Paul, disagree with your idea about impossibility of commercial success of opensource device. Declaimer: all things below is just my opinion, which is formed mostly by reading community ml from time to time in past. It would be interesting to read where and why i am wrong. :) В Срд, 06/10/2010 в 22:31 +0400, Paul Fertser пишет: openm...@pulster.de (Christoph Pulster) writes: an intelligent marketing idea. My idea on the later is, to point the finger in the Apple direction and naming the evil by name. It already has at least 1 good idea, no other smartphones have - OS and hardware separation. On a related note, i think there's no commercial future with such a device. Openmoko proved that. Sorry, but openmoko proved only that it is really possible to make open phone. Too few interested people, really too few. Now imagine, linus tovalds wrote linux initially... alone. yeah. it wrote it while big DOSes, Solarises, BSDs, MacOSes, mimixes, already existed and were fully functional. Yeah, OS he did lack of all features, had no chances to compete with that big giants, it were complete crap. Were this 'too much people'? Despite Freerunner still being the only one. Bwware, big portion of critics below: Why freerunner commercially failed (is it truth at all btw?), my version: 1. People got scarified with tons of grave software bugs (WSOD, partition table corruption, sd card speed, graphical subsystem speed, overall FR speed, events/0, debug kernel, that just _i_ know). All this were fixable, What would happen if all this were fixed in a week after FR release? 2. People scarified by core openmoko's own _developers_ who declare various subsystems are 'outdated' (CPU) or 'wrong' (glamo), and did nice PR. And all this were not really true. HW is good enought to do many things. 3. Community managment may be much better. I am usure if openmoko had dedicated guy to spend all time managing community. I saw some mails from people who offer help, unanswered. Yes, may be some offers were funny, may be 50% of that people will do nothing, but other 50% may easily build excellent community and greatly help project. I guess this is main cause of 'few people'. 4. Team were too small to handle such huge innovative project as freerunner (completely new software stack, adapt linux from almost 0 to be usable on such multifunctional device) from almost 0 to commercial success in reasonable time. One man did qt/x11. Other man did whole kernel and bootloader. One more man did testing. Yeahhh. One more whole graphical subsystem. 5. Tons of hardware bugs on initial release. And knowing that all them were fixed... just proves that it were possible to fix that faster, with bigger team. 6. Openmoko's team fixed problems is complete weird way. They did one interface, found it has some problems and instead of fixing problems they used qt interface, then instead of fixing problems of qt they switched to fsoe17, which i bet, still has problems on it's own. Instead of careful calculation why their device is slow and how fast it should be, then solved boot speed problem with disabling logs. Instead of fixing grave issues they draw fancy boot pictures. Instead of fixing u-boot Qi were implemented. (just things _i_ noticed) 7. Raster need special mentioning. Being smart and very professional man, he thought only about his own project, refusing to optimize latest interface for FR, injecting myths about hw slowness (320x200, 16 bit graphics, glamo bus speed, etc) and injecting that myths in _smart way_. This scarified poor community even more. All this bad PR were magnified greatly by openess
Re: community Digest, Vol 204, Issue 8
On 06/10/2010 19:37, Christoph Pulster wrote: Once again my rants, Touchbook from A.I. is a piece of crap. Pointing with the stylus on the touchscreen and the device is bending back to the table. This problem was solved 20 years ago with Psion Series 3. Besides case has a ugly plastic touch and feel, very bad end-quality, unit is getting hot, is heavy, sliding in/out of docking is pain etc etc. I read a lot of reviews of TouchBook, and there is actually a problem on the device design. (the fact that the motherboard is on the screen might be one). But A.I. tried something, and they often came back with new versions. And here we are talking about the MiniBook, I didn't review for now. All in all, I see no reason to spend any effords in this way. What we need is a updated GTA02 (a mobile 100% FOSS device) and a intelligent marketing idea. My idea on the later is, to point the finger in the Apple direction and naming the evil by name. Considering ourselves on the light side of gadgets :-) I'm a pacifist in the heart, and I don't want to start battle against something. My philosophy is to build things, not destroying. If you kill something, you've got one thing less : If it's a friend, so bad, one friend lost, if it's an ennemy, one less to compare with you that your idea is better than his. We're not on the same level than Big A. We all know it. But if we can be the little annoying thing in its eye, why not ! When I see all the answers here, I think It worth to spend time energy. Everyone waits for it, and some of the readers are ready to give a hand. We inherited the FR community, and the community Work, we can't let such a chance letting go. And As you are here, Christoph, If this phone is build one day, would you agree to sell it ? Your point of view is really interresting I think. Thanks a lot, AstHrO Christoph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: We can have Help from Always Innovating !
Thanks Nikolaus for your answers. As the discussion on the developpement of GTA04 flies too high over my electronics skills level, I can't estimate the progress easily. (But I don't doubt of it!) As we discuss in the french forums, we think that the MiniBook should keep the capacity to be link the the AlwaysInnovating tablet. So we will *try* to expand this device, without removing anything. The two more important things to add are GPS GSM BT (perhaps). And let the device capable of future openings. I'm waiting for more returns from users, and will aks A.I. for a collaboration in intergrating such fonctiunalities. With the help of your references, we will try to have the same chips used for a question of portability. I think that GTA04 this hypothetic device would be nice to live together. The A.I. could be a 'lite' equipped device, cheaper, and GTA04 a full featured one. What do you think of this approach ? That line drawn, we will have a clear view of how to work. Regards, AsThrO On 06/10/2010 07:31, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Hi, looks like an interesting project to build a wireless MID. I want to suggest that you base your design on the GTA04, since it is far more developed as you might think, but also far from being complete... Let's say it is in the middle of the ocean but heads towards its destination. We are currently redesigning it a little so that you can not only use the GTA04 board as a new motherboard for the GTA02 plastics, but also as a module to attach a different LCM and other peripherals (e.g. QWERTY keyboard controller). This is done by adding two board-to-board connectors on the display side. The UMTS solution of the GTA04 is based on the OPTION GTM501. On the software side we have Debian Lenny (which can be the base of QtMoko). There are also Android ports and SHR should not be too dfifficult to adapt. If you need more information or help, please feel free to ask. BR, Nikolaus Am 05.10.2010 um 23:17 schrieb Thomas HOCEDEZ: On 10/05/2010 10:30 PM, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote: On 10/05/2010 08:38 PM, Giovanni wrote: My free time and knowledge is quite limited, anyway I am willing to help in some way How can I help? Best regards, alien jo Well, for now, we have to set some points, each one requires more or less time skills, so anyone can give a little help : - List of what is needed on a device bult on the base of the MiniBook. It means : what feature MUST be included, and what feature could be added on the bonus tracks. A poll can be launched for that. - Find a name for such a device. - Ask OS's developpers if their distro can be ported easily or not on the device. - Decide how the device should be open (extensions, versatile ...) future-ready. - Find someone with a little bit of knowledge to find the chips references that would be included (GSM, SimCard holder, GPS..) - Opening a Wiki page to store all those steps results ! - Give some extra more ideas ! So feel free to answer those questions, add others. Thanks a lot AstHrO For example, coud it be possible to put a gobi2000 (GPS+3G) chip(1) in it ? How much does this cost ? Does this chip is sold in other factor ? ... (1) http://www.roundsolutions.com/shop/products/en/HSPA-modem/Option-GOBI2000-HSUPA-HSDPA-UMTS-Mini-PCI-Express-Card.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
New Phone Project (MiniMoko) : Which functionalities ?
Hi, As you might have read, Always Innovating (A.I.), is opened to think about a collaboration between them and us (Openmoko community) to build a phone based on their MiniBook. This device is a MID, without phone capabilities (except VoIP). So the idea is to build something together on that basis. I don't want AT ALL to shortcut GTA04 project, which is vital for everyone, so the main idea would be to improve a bit the MiniBook, generating a lite version of the GTA04. By lite, I suggest not to overload the bill motherboard with extra features that GTA04 will bring. More, The MiniBook have to stay an A.I. product, this mean, it must be linkable to the others as it does today. For information, MiniBook has already impressive specs : * TI http://www.ti.com cortex-A8 with 3D and video acceleration * 512MB (RAM) + 256MB (NAND) Memory * Main storage: 8GB microSD card * 480x320 3.5 capacitive touchscreen * 30fps VGA front webcam * Wifi 802.11 b/g/n, Bluetooth class 2.1 * Video output HDMI HD * Two high-quality stereo speakers * Internal microphone * Headphone jack * 3-dimensional accelerometer * One 1500 mAh battery * Bi-color silver/black case * 64mm x 106mm x 9.3mm * Secured attachment of the MID into a Touch Book Table There's nothing much to improve, nothing to remove, just adding GSM/3G chip. Nikolaus Schaller pointed the OPTION GTM501, which is a brilliant little chip ! And if we use the same one, the porting of distros/software will be easier from one machine to another. So, the first question is : What to add for this project being interresting ? Those will be minimal functions (forget Wimax, 4G, coffe machines or color printer ...). Second question : Debian is able to run on such a device, but does developpers of other distributions can tell if it would be possible to port their on it ? Third question : On the basis we have a 'paper' version of the phone, is there anyone able to give a hand to AI for the integration of new components on the board or do we let AI do the major part of the job ? (this way, we only would be 'consultants' for them). Thanks for your interest. Thomas. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Phone Project (MiniMoko) : Which functionalities ?
On 06/10/2010 14:41, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote: Hi, As you might have read, Always Innovating (A.I.), is opened to think about a collaboration between them and us (Openmoko community) to build a phone based on their MiniBook. This device is a MID, without phone capabilities (except VoIP). So the idea is to build something together on that basis. I don't want AT ALL to shortcut GTA04 project, which is vital for everyone, so the main idea would be to improve a bit the MiniBook, generating a lite version of the GTA04. By lite, I suggest not to overload the bill motherboard with extra features that GTA04 will bring. More, The MiniBook have to stay an A.I. product, this mean, it must be linkable to the others as it does today. For information, MiniBook has already impressive specs : * TI http://www.ti.com cortex-A8 with 3D and video acceleration * 512MB (RAM) + 256MB (NAND) Memory * Main storage: 8GB microSD card * 480x320 3.5 capacitive touchscreen * 30fps VGA front webcam * Wifi 802.11 b/g/n, Bluetooth class 2.1 * Video output HDMI HD * Two high-quality stereo speakers * Internal microphone * Headphone jack * 3-dimensional accelerometer * One 1500 mAh battery * Bi-color silver/black case * 64mm x 106mm x 9.3mm * Secured attachment of the MID into a Touch Book Table There's nothing much to improve, nothing to remove, just adding GSM/3G chip. Nikolaus Schaller pointed the OPTION GTM501, which is a brilliant little chip ! And if we use the same one, the porting of distros/software will be easier from one machine to another. So, the first question is : What to add for this project being interresting ? Those will be minimal functions (forget Wimax, 4G, coffe machines or color printer ...). Second question : Debian is able to run on such a device, but does developpers of other distributions can tell if it would be possible to port their on it ? Third question : On the basis we have a 'paper' version of the phone, is there anyone able to give a hand to AI for the integration of new components on the board or do we let AI do the major part of the job ? (this way, we only would be 'consultants' for them). Thanks for your interest. Thomas. I forgot to mention that it would be AWESOME to have some words in this idea from Sean M.P. ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: We can have Help from Always Innovating !
On 20/09/2010 17:22, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote: Le 20/09/2010 16:26, Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau a écrit : Adding GSM to MID-device definitely will make this device extra-cool. Does somebody have idea how GSM could be added there? Voice is most important feature for me. 3G and so on, could be connected to touchbook part. May be its possible attach some gsm board? (FR's or others). Maksim In fact, I think I will try to reach them. I'll give you the answer asap. Hang on dudes, please sit cumfortably, and read this message slowly ! This is the answer of a message I sent A.I. to try to find a way to work with them. - Hello Thomas, Thank you for your interest in our products. This can definitely be an interesting opportunity. As an early-stage startup, we don't have that much money and time to give upfront, but the idea remains seducing, and we may share what's already done to help things to go on. We obviously know Openmoko's Freerunner, but didn't play with it really much, nor know the team behind this device. How do you imagine things from your point of view: what do you have to bring into such a shared project, and how do you see the working-together process? Best, Alexandre - Always Innovating Team --- Tada ! Everythnig is now open to find a way to mix Openmoko V4 project with the base of the A.I.'s MID. As I said earlier, their specs are online, and the GTA04 project is progressing fast, nut with a litlle help on hardware it could be faster ! I want to answer Alexandre (I think he is the one from the videos), this week, to give a first clue on how we wanted to work. So, Let's get imaginative : it's a brainstorm session ! Asthro, so happy ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: We can have Help from Always Innovating !
On 05/10/2010 14:33, Giovanni wrote: WOW! I really hope that there is a bright future for FreeRunner-like open hardware! giovanni (aka alien jo) I really hope too, And that's why I try this collaboration. I think it's the best way to do something efficient rapid. You can help if you want ! Rgds ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: We can have Help from Always Innovating !
On 10/05/2010 08:38 PM, Giovanni wrote: My free time and knowledge is quite limited, anyway I am willing to help in some way How can I help? Best regards, alien jo Well, for now, we have to set some points, each one requires more or less time skills, so anyone can give a little help : - List of what is needed on a device bult on the base of the MiniBook. It means : what feature MUST be included, and what feature could be added on the bonus tracks. A poll can be launched for that. - Find a name for such a device. - Ask OS's developpers if their distro can be ported easily or not on the device. - Decide how the device should be open (extensions, versatile ...) future-ready. - Find someone with a little bit of knowledge to find the chips references that would be included (GSM, SimCard holder, GPS..) - Opening a Wiki page to store all those steps results ! - Give some extra more ideas ! So feel free to answer those questions, add others. Thanks a lot AstHrO ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: We can have Help from Always Innovating !
On 10/05/2010 10:30 PM, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote: On 10/05/2010 08:38 PM, Giovanni wrote: My free time and knowledge is quite limited, anyway I am willing to help in some way How can I help? Best regards, alien jo Well, for now, we have to set some points, each one requires more or less time skills, so anyone can give a little help : - List of what is needed on a device bult on the base of the MiniBook. It means : what feature MUST be included, and what feature could be added on the bonus tracks. A poll can be launched for that. - Find a name for such a device. - Ask OS's developpers if their distro can be ported easily or not on the device. - Decide how the device should be open (extensions, versatile ...) future-ready. - Find someone with a little bit of knowledge to find the chips references that would be included (GSM, SimCard holder, GPS..) - Opening a Wiki page to store all those steps results ! - Give some extra more ideas ! So feel free to answer those questions, add others. Thanks a lot AstHrO For example, coud it be possible to put a gobi2000 (GPS+3G) chip(1) in it ? How much does this cost ? Does this chip is sold in other factor ? ... (1) http://www.roundsolutions.com/shop/products/en/HSPA-modem/Option-GOBI2000-HSUPA-HSDPA-UMTS-Mini-PCI-Express-Card.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Help from Always Innovating ?
On 04/10/2010 05:20, Chuck Norris wrote: 03.10.2010 21:05, Joshua Judson Rosen пишет: Alfa21freerun...@my.is.it writes: 2010-09...@00:16 Chuck Norris I've asked them about missing this feature. Here are answer: We do not have a 3G or GSM option because we do not want to force a subscription on customers. Instead we want to focus on using wifi and free Skype calls. force subscription?! LOL... maybe they do not know what actually the word option means? fool or fail? ;) Well, `not wanting to force subscriptions' is actually the right answer if it would have been an `either/or' choice. More probably, it's because it's just not viable to include it in a device that size at that price-range--there have been in-depths discussions about this as it pertained to the FreeRunner, previously; they're probably still applicable. As far as the full-sized tablet goes, you could look into getting a UMTS/HSDPA/whatever USB stick to connect to one of those internal USB ports. I've seen ones that may be small enough for as low as $50 US, though it's not obvious how well they'd work from inside the tablet. last answer from Always Innovating to me was: Thank you for your feedback. We are aware that many customers wish to have a GSM option available, and we do our best to satisfy as many customers as possible. Unfortunately, we currently do not have any plans to release a version of the Mini Book with GSM capabilities. If that possibility opens up to us in the future, we will be sure to make note of it on our website. Argh, So sad Though, I'd like to know if the minibook is also Opensource hardware, so we can investigate on the way to insert a canibalized usb stick... Asthro, Always inventive ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Help from Always Innovating ?
On 10/04/2010 06:04 PM, Chuck Norris wrote: 04.10.2010 17:08, Thomas HOCEDEZ пишет: On 04/10/2010 05:20, Chuck Norris wrote: 03.10.2010 21:05, Joshua Judson Rosen пишет: Alfa21freerun...@my.is.it writes: 2010-09...@00:16 Chuck Norris I've asked them about missing this feature. Here are answer: We do not have a 3G or GSM option because we do not want to force a subscription on customers. Instead we want to focus on using wifi and free Skype calls. force subscription?! LOL... maybe they do not know what actually the word option means? fool or fail? ;) Well, `not wanting to force subscriptions' is actually the right answer if it would have been an `either/or' choice. More probably, it's because it's just not viable to include it in a device that size at that price-range--there have been in-depths discussions about this as it pertained to the FreeRunner, previously; they're probably still applicable. As far as the full-sized tablet goes, you could look into getting a UMTS/HSDPA/whatever USB stick to connect to one of those internal USB ports. I've seen ones that may be small enough for as low as $50 US, though it's not obvious how well they'd work from inside the tablet. last answer from Always Innovating to me was: Thank you for your feedback. We are aware that many customers wish to have a GSM option available, and we do our best to satisfy as many customers as possible. Unfortunately, we currently do not have any plans to release a version of the Mini Book with GSM capabilities. If that possibility opens up to us in the future, we will be sure to make note of it on our website. Argh, So sad Though, I'd like to know if the minibook is also Opensource hardware, so we can investigate on the way to insert a canibalized usb stick... Asthro, Always inventive ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community It would be very cool... I watched the specs of this device(1), and I saw there is an ISP1520(2) chip, which is an USB hub controller !! The 4 ports are used, and I think accelerometers are plugged there who really care accelerometers ? ;-) I'm more more excited by this project ! I have t find a cool small GSM Usb dongle... Asthro (1) http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/MID_board (2) http://www.nxp.com/acrobat_download2/expired_datasheets/ISP1520_4.pdf ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v27 (+ answering usability)
Le 27/09/2010 19:08, Alfa21 a écrit : 2010-09...@17:32 Thomas HOCEDEZ and go to the dial interface I can confirm this. ooh! great, you remembered to me an annoying usability issue about the answer screen: when I'm in a hurry or I'm walking sometimes I push the answer button twice due to the latency of the gui just because I've an vibrating touch... and actually I drop the incoming call :P is it possible to split the button in 2 so it's not the same area active on the screen to do both the functions? ...or just reduce the size of the button and move it from left to right accordingly to its active function of the moment? ...or substitute the button with a slide? (in this way I also do not answer while I'm grabbing it out of my poket) Yes it might be done in the Theme, I'll put it in the final release thanks for this idea ! -- Thomas HOCEDEZ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v27
Le 25/09/2010 10:53, Radek Polak a écrit : Hi, new experimintal qtmoko-v27 with 2.6.34 kernel is out now. You can download it from our sourceforge page [1] Qtmoko is distribution based on debian+qtopia, for more info see [2][3][4]. Changes from latest v26 stable release: * New 2.6.34 kernel [5] * GPRS fixes (Alex Samorukov and Pierre) * Alarm fixes (Alex Samorukov) * Using devtmpfs for faster boot and more memory For new kernel credits go to Gennady Kupava, Lars-Peter Clausen and Thibaut Girka. Lars for porting to newer versions and upstreaming, Gena for help with the power consumption bug, fixing WS problems and being nice to help anytime, Thibaut for upstreaming and blanking fix. I have been testing 2.6.34 kernel for one week now and to me it looks ok. There can be issues with SD card [6], the touchscreen driver is missing filtering so it's a bit jittery and i think accelerometers are somehow strange now. Please report if you find any other regressions against 2.6.29. Otherwise i will probably switch to 2.6.34 as stable kernel in next releases. As for GPRS - it should work again and a bit better. However we still probably need better multiplexing - plan is to use kernel gsm multiplexer. Alarm now uses RTC_WKALM and instead of deprecated RTC_ALM and we no longer build with BROKEN_RTC_ALARM which could cause random wakeup at night. In the end i have decided to use devtmpfs as default /dev manager. You can easily switch back to udev by just apt-get install udev. I hope i havent missed anything. Please report mainly regressions again v26 version. For me this version is good enough for daily use - i hope same will be for you. Regards Radek [1] https://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/Experimental/ [2] http://qtmoko.org/ [3] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/ [4] http://github.com/radekp [5] http://github.com/radekp/linux-2.6/tree/qtmoko-v27 [6] http://www.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/1143 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community As usual it roxxes ! But there is always this strange bug : when you change theme, and go to the dial interface, the phone restarts (not reboot : restarts ie : gfx, modem, usb ...) For the V27, i'm preparing also a new theme. Rgds. -- Thomas HOCEDEZ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
new QtMoko Theme
I just released a preversion of a new Theme for QtMoko : AsthroMod Some pics : http://openmoko-fr.org/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=15128 Some tar : http://freerunner.daily.free.fr/files/fr/asthromod.tar just untar everythin in the root of FR . regds -- Thomas HOCEDEZ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Help from Always Innovative ?
Le 21/09/2010 12:54, Chuck Norris a écrit : 20.09.2010 21:26, Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau пишет: Adding GSM to MID-device definitely will make this device extra-cool. Does somebody have idea how GSM could be added there? Voice is most important feature for me. 3G and so on, could be connected to touchbook part. May be its possible attach some gsm board? (FR's or others). Maksim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Yeah, 3G will be killer feature! I really like their concept of mid inside tablet inside netbook. But why without GSM? That's a question ! They have a killer MID, but without any 'mobile' connectivity... They may have forgotten, that's the only thing I see. -- Thomas HOCEDEZ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Help from Always Innovative ?
Hi, As I was surfing, I found that the company Always Innovative(1) is selling a new mini PC (3.5). It's ARM8 based, touch interface, but without any GSM connectivity. A.I. is producing open hardware, they already have production processes, a well knowledge in Arm and also other good point (founder is French ;-)). So, does anybody think a collaboration maybe helpfull ? -- Thomas HOCEDEZ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Help from Always Innovative ?
Le 20/09/2010 16:16, Martix a écrit : Probably you meant company named Always Innovating[1] which is selling a netbooks/tablets/MIDs* based on OMAP 3530 [Cortex-A8 (ARM11)]. [1] http://www.alwaysinnovating.com * Touch Book, Touch Book II, Smart Book, Mini Book GSM/3G support in Mini Book would be nice. Regards, Martix PS: I am Touch Book owner. Yep, It was them. Typing too fast, thinking too slow... Thanks. Just for my info : can you make me a quick return of yout TB please ? -- Thomas HOCEDEZ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Help from Always Innovative ?
Le 20/09/2010 16:26, Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau a écrit : Adding GSM to MID-device definitely will make this device extra-cool. Does somebody have idea how GSM could be added there? Voice is most important feature for me. 3G and so on, could be connected to touchbook part. May be its possible attach some gsm board? (FR's or others). Maksim In fact, I think I will try to reach them. I'll give you the answer asap. -- Thomas HOCEDEZ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Broken AUX :-(
Le 17/09/2010 07:48, Christ van Willegen a écrit : On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Alex Samorukov m...@os2.kiev.ua wrote: On 09/16/2010 09:37 PM, Christ van Willegen wrote: Hello everyone, I think I broke my AUX button tonight. Is there anyone who can fiox this? I did this one time. Open your phone and find if aux button on board is damaged or not. In my case it was only unsoldered, so i soldered it back myself. I don't feel very confident that I can solder it back on myself. Perhaps a friendly neighbour can... I'll see when I get the time to open the phone. Unfortunately, work and RL takes up most of the week lately :-( Christ van Willegen Hi, I fixed one during an outside fair (Braderie de Lille), on a wood table, while my brother was mixing music on the same table... So it is not AT ALL difficult - you d'ont have to remove the motherboard - You only have to be calm without cafein in your veins (is it only possible ;-) ) Good luck, -- Thomas HOCEDEZ / asthro / openmoko-fr.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v26
I've got a messag from my girlfriend, who wants to thanks a lot Radek Team ! Their work makes me have a phone that works, with more battery, and audible voice. So she can reach me while I'm at my Linux User Group, telling me I have to come back to home instead if drinking beers explaining Freerunner is a great machine So a great thanks from her, and a half one from me ;-) Virginie Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v26
Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote: Whooo, using QTMokov26 for some days now, and it's a really allday phone now. But allday until when ? Because when I try an apt-get update... Bing!* : no space left on device ! Does anyone has a turnaround aor a real solution to this ? Hi Thomas, if you are you running from NAND it could be because apt-get uses mmap which is not available on jffs2. Because of it we have tmpfs mount in /etc/fstab which mounts RAM filesystem for apt with only limited capacity. It can help to reboot FR which clears the tmpfs mount. Or you can do: mount -o bind /path/to/some/dir/on/ext3/filesystem/on/SD/card /var/cache/apt I hope this will be later fixed by switching to some newer flash filesystem (there are lot of choices in 2.6.34 kernels). Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community That's what I did, and of course, it works like a charm ! Thanks a lot, but don't spend too much time on this list, go back to work on the v27 ;-) Cheers, Asthro -- Thomas HOCEDEZ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v26
Whooo, using QTMokov26 for some days now, and it's a really allday phone now. But allday until when ? Because when I try an apt-get update... Bing!* : no space left on device ! Does anyone has a turnaround aor a real solution to this ? thanks you all (and a special big up to Radek ;-)) AstHrO / Openmoko-fr.org http://www.tlbc.fr/Espace_Client/html/suivilivraisons/html/recherche/detailtransporteur.php?NumCdeTrans=82125*(tm)(c)(r) 2010 Micro-somerthing Corp. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v26
Le 10/09/2010 16:29, Alfa21-mobile a écrit : On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Thomas HOCEDEZ thomas.hoce...@free.fr wrote: But allday until when ? Because when I try an apt-get update... Bing!* : no space left on device ! Does anyone has a turnaround aor a real solution to this ? buy a bigger uSD ;) I've a 4GB partitioned as: 1 - 2GB as /media/card (fat32) 2 - 1.7GB as rootfs (ext3) 3 - 300MB as swap (swap) /* OT I've also added the following line in my /etc/sysctl.conf vm.swappiness=0 */ Why ? what is it ? on v26 I can use my FR as a usb drive, with the 2GB partition (1) visible also in a windows system. bye - Nice idea ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Thomas HOCEDEZ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Android] Froyo (Android 2.2) on Freerunner????
Le 01/09/2010 14:31, Atilla Filiz a écrit : AFAIK Serdar Dere is actively developing Android for FR, so I am sure the images are real. How (close to being)usable they are, that is to wonder. On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:06 PM, David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com mailto:da...@garabana.com wrote: On Thursday 05 August 2010 16:52:24 Jan Girlich wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 05.08.2010, 16:42 +0200 schrieb David Garabana Barro: http://serdar-dere.net/~serdar/daily/ http://serdar-dere.net/%7Eserdar/daily/ Are these images real? Are there Android 2.2 images for Freeruner? I doubt these images are of any use (yet). Look at the filesizes. They're just about 7MB, way too small for a real image. Yes, but first one size is 67 MB. On the thread Nelson posted minutes ago, you can see they are real, but they only compile and boot. Not useful by the moment :) Hi ! Of course the images are real (those 7Mo!). I flashed my FR with it, it boots, starts, and ... Worked ! Ok you have to be Really patient because of the slowlyness of the interface, but everything works ! -- Thomas HOCEDEZ / Asthro, Openmoko-fr.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v26
Le 29/08/2010 00:22, Petr Vanek a écrit : On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 22:31:23 +0200 Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz (RP) wrote: qtmoko has new v26 release. You can get it from our sourceforge page Thanks for everybody who helped with this release. I hope you'll like the changes and new features. Radek and the team - congratulations! This progress is really, really impressive! Thank you! Petr If anyone has courage to backup a jffs2 image... I still have difficulties to mount my FR on windows (@work)... thanks ! -- Thomas HOCEDEZ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v26
Le 30/08/2010 11:37, Sylvain Paré a écrit : I don't understand.. there is jffs2 file already here http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/ - Woops, too much booze this weekend ? Or too much work for a monday ! Thanks for your eyes ! Thomas 2010/8/30 Thomas HOCEDEZ thomas.hoce...@free.fr mailto:thomas.hoce...@free.fr Le 29/08/2010 00:22, Petr Vanek a écrit : On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 22:31:23 +0200 Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz mailto:pson...@seznam.cz (RP) wrote: qtmoko has new v26 release. You can get it from our sourceforge page Thanks for everybody who helped with this release. I hope you'll like the changes and new features. Radek and the team - congratulations! This progress is really, really impressive! Thank you! Petr If anyone has courage to backup a jffs2 image... I still have difficulties to mount my FR on windows (@work)... thanks ! -- Thomas HOCEDEZ -- Thomas HOCEDEZ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glamo slowness question. Glamo transfer speed improvements (+33%). Video sofdecoding playing profile. Glamo dma transfer.
Sounds very nice ! I tried on SHR-u, booted on a beautiful openmoko logo, then nothing. When I tried to boot on u-boot, a single nokernel found message is shown ... So here's a question : Is it only for QTmoko ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New SHR-unstable images with 2.6.32 kernel
On 28/06/2010 09:38, Radek Polak wrote: On Monday 28 June 2010 05:50:54 undrwater wrote: This is big and good news! I expect there to be some problems moving to this version of the kernel, but it's good to see that it has finally arrived! In fact this is first SHR version that works good for me. Maybe i was just unlucky having crashes here and there after 5 minutes playing. But this version looks fast and stable. I haven't hit any problem yet. Nice work Regards Radek __ after upgrade reboot, Bad CRC for me -Reflashing for me .(snif snif :-/) AstHrO ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New SHR-unstable images with 2.6.32 kernel
On 28/06/2010 10:22, Martin Jansa wrote: On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:11:55AM +0200, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote: On 28/06/2010 09:38, Radek Polak wrote: On Monday 28 June 2010 05:50:54 undrwater wrote: This is big and good news! I expect there to be some problems moving to this version of the kernel, but it's good to see that it has finally arrived! In fact this is first SHR version that works good for me. Maybe i was just unlucky having crashes here and there after 5 minutes playing. But this version looks fast and stable. I haven't hit any problem yet. Nice work Regards Radek __ after upgrade reboot, Bad CRC for me - Reflashing for me .(snif snif :-/) did you read this part? * The kernel is bigger than 2MB so if you're using u-boot, update your environment according to wiki entry [2]. [2]: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kernel#.22Verifying_Checksum_..._Bad_Data_CRC.22_with_U-boot (snif snif :-/) Nop, I Didn't read, beacause I did a simple opkg upgrade... When I saw Kernel firmware 2.6.32 on the screen I said woops, might be strong upgrade ! Thanks, I'll do it. Also I saw mesa DRI installed ?! Isn't it strange ? Rgds ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: opkg.org virus?
I asked him a couple of time to get access to the sources to restyle the site. (no fluid CSS, fixed tempalte ...). Bu I got no answer or for the best just a I'll see when I have time... But I think he never foud time ... I think I can found back the little work I did for the site (originally I wanted it to be readable on the moko install apps from it). AstHrO Le 18/06/2010 01:05, Martix a écrit : Did you tried to contact opkg.org site owner? http://www.opkg.org/contact.html I think somebody from FSO/SHR or OpenEmbedded/Angstrom team should ask original site owner for domain transfer, if he already abandoned opkg.org. This domain could serve to our community again.[1] [1] http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-devel/2010-June/002742.html Regards, Martix 2010/6/17 Fox Mulderquakem...@gmx.net: Seems that the owner of the website (who is it?) is no more actively maintaining the site. This is sad because opkg.org was a good starting point to search for different applications. But for a longer time it seems that there is nothing new at all. :( Ciao, Rainer Am 17.06.2010 19:26, schrieb Jakob: there has also been another thread about it last month see http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-f1954 though not much happend On 6/17/10, Ed Kapiteine...@kapitein.org wrote: well, our company virus scanner is also complaining, so it seems a real virus: The page you've been trying to access was blocked. Reason: Virus Detected! The page or file you requested is infected with the following virus: Troj/JSRedir-BD. Kind regards, Ed On Thu, 2010-06-17 at 11:32 +0200, Fox Mulder wrote: Hi, since quite some time my virus scanner (avast) complains about a virus infection (JS:Illredir-AX[Tr]) when i try to surf to www.opkg.org. Can someone confirm this or is my virus scanner a bit mad? And if there is a virus then why didn't the owner of this site remove it? :) Ciao, Rainer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Thomas HOCEDEZ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [gta02-core] Openmoko Beagle Hybrid
Le 16/06/2010 14:05, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller a écrit : Am 16.06.2010 um 13:34 schrieb Al Johnson: On Wednesday 16 June 2010, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Hi Alvaro, Am 16.06.2010 um 01:35 schrieb Álvaro Lopes: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: 3. PCB and components already soldered on a professional SMT line (we have one) And who's we, if I may ask ? I had the impression this was only a few-people project, not sponsored by any means. I doubt any of you have a pro SMT assembly line. We do not own the assembly line (why should we?). Many would read your option 3 as saying you have a pro SMT line, although it could also mean you have a PCB with components soldered on a pro line. Anyway, can you please keep focus on the original question (everything else does not bring us forward): *Which option would you prefer? * 1. PCB and very special components only (you can go shopping yourself). 2. PCB and complete component set (unsoldered) 3. PCB and components already soldered on a professional SMT line (we can use one) 4. same as 3 including a Wi2Wi GPS receiver module I vote for option 3). I like soldering, but 0402 components are too much for me ! -- Thomas HOCEDEZ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [gta02-core] Openmoko Beagle Hybrid
Le 16/06/2010 17:56, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller a écrit : Am 16.06.2010 um 15:51 schrieb Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE): Anyway, can you please keep focus on the original question (everything else does not bring us forward): *Which option would you prefer? * 1. PCB and very special components only (you can go shopping yourself). 2. PCB and complete component set (unsoldered) 3. PCB and components already soldered on a professional SMT line (we can use one) 4. same as 3 including a Wi2Wi GPS receiver module So, If I get the Populated PCB and LCD module for 169 Euros, does that mean I don't have to break a Freerunner? That's the most attractive option to me. I like my Neo (-= Yes, we also plan a variant with a LCD module which works without touching a Freerunner (you may use the Neo power supply). The idea for a board with no LCM is that if you have a broken Freerunner collecting dust, you can give it a new life. And take the earpiece/speaker/vibracall that are mounted inside the plastics parts. But this is not reversible... GPS is a functional option adding a GPS receiver module and a handful other components (RLC, ICs). So it is an independent option to choose from. This may add approx. 40 EUR. So I should clarify the options: 1) bare PCB (and some key components only) 2) PCB and all components but nothing soldered 3) PCB with all components soldered 4) PCB with all components soldered and a fresh LCD module 5) PCB and all components (incl. GPS) but nothing soldered 6) PCB with all components (incl. GPS) soldered 7) PCB with all components (incl. GPS) soldered and a fresh LCD module Since this are too many for us to handle, please let us know the variants you like. We will then decide which ones we will finally produce. To simplify the answers, please vote here: http://www.doodle.com/huagbg7hu94zyame Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community So much clear ! thx ! -- Thomas HOCEDEZ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: parts for the buzzfix
Le 09/06/2010 15:16, Klaus Fuerth a écrit : Hi Depeje, list! On 09.06.2010 14:49 Peter Nijs wrote: I'm searching for the parts for the buzz-fix so I could do it myself. For the #1024 fix I used the parts from an old hard-drive (by try and error), it works well (deep-sleep is ok now). Klaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Mine all come from unused Network Cards... There are a lot of caps on it, easy to unsolder. I've found some resistors too... -- Thomas HOCEDEZ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
HackerSpace Lille(Fr) Support-Needed-Party
Hi Everyone, The Localhost (French HackerSpace in Lille, north of France) had some troubles. As the 3000m2 weren't officialy ours, the owner wants us to leave. (Thoug this place is unnoccupied for 4 years!). We suggested to take care of this place, building a co-working plac,e showroom, cattering so other social/technical projects (what we did) in exange of staying there. We were asked to leav by tuesday the 8th of June (tomorrow). That's the subject of the mail : we need people to come tonight (7pm) to that place ! Each of you who can be there will be a point owned over the leaving.(not sure of this sentence in english, sorry). So, here's the adress: Localhost, les Hauts Lieux, 10 rue des débris saint Etienne 59000 Lille, france. (it is in the really center of this town), for more info, mail me : thomas.hoce...@free.fr) Sorry for the annoyance, but our project worth it. Kindly regards, Asthro/Thomas HOCEDEZ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v24
Le 31/05/2010 20:48, Radek Polak a écrit : Hi, new QtMoko images v24 are out! You can download from our sourceforge [1] or visit our homepage [2][3]. Hi Radek team ! I'm just totally flabegasted by the way you lead this project. I'll be pleased to ask you some questions about you methods. I explain : The QTMoko project goes really fast, and look like to follow a well drawn way. Each step you made is going forward (ok some strange things with v21/22 but who cares !). Did you have a roadmap in your head ? because your last words where a bit I'll do whatever you want !, though I'm pretty sure to see a logical step ahaed in the next version. I'd like to see other distros goes like that. For example (and this is only an example) why do SHR added a split screen function on the desktop whereas a lot of (more usefull) other things where pending ? So tell us you receipe (except if it is copyrighted under some dark DRMs ;) ) Thanks a lot for this version, (and the 22th before !) -- ast...@openmoko-fr.org / Thomas HOCEDEZ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
QTmoko PIC pictures/icons file format ?
Hi ! I was theming a bit QTMoko, but I'm blocked in front of the *.pic files... What is this stange format ? How can I edit them ? Thanks a lot, AstHrO ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QTmoko PIC pictures/icons file format ?
Le 28/05/2010 17:29, Thomas HOCEDEZ a écrit : Hi ! I was theming a bit QTMoko, but I'm blocked in front of the *.pic files... What is this stange format ? How can I edit them ? Thanks a lot, AstHrO ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I had a part of my answer (of course always when you post a message in a bottle): you can simply ignore this files and replace them by classicals png files, this will works fine too... -- Thomas HOCEDEZ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtextended.org will be shutdown.
Le 20/05/2010 05:49, lorn.pot...@nokia.com a écrit : Sad to say, http://qtextended.org will be shutting down permanently. This web site will be disappearing into the history of the web archive. In a matter of 3 weeks or so, we will be dusting off the cobwebs from the power buttons and all the content and files will be deleted from this web site, and will no longer be accessible from here. The files will be available for download until then. I was originally hired at Trolltech as Qtopia Community Liaison/Manager to (among other things) develop and run this web site in 2003, so this comes to me with a bit of a heavy heart. Back then, the Sharp Zaurus was king, and Opie was the communities effort/fork of Qtopia. A lot of changes have taken place since that time. Nokia bought Trolltech in 2008, and discontinued work on Qtopia/Qt Extended. Since then, Qt has taken over Nokia, the worlds largest provider of mobile phones. The Openmoko community has keep up maintenance of Qtopia, for which I am thankful (it's still the best open source gui for the Neo) Thankfully, I am still a troll and working with the most awesome cross platform framework. Once a troll, always a troll, someone has said. and as a famous Australian once said, such is life... -- Lorn Potter Senior Software Engineer, Nokia, Qt Development Frameworks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Actually, sad to read ! Hope someone will host a mirror of this site. Is it possible ? -- Thomas HOCEDEZ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
QT4 Dev/conference/Workbench - Lille(FR) - 11-05-2010 -
Hi ! On tuesday evening, Chtinux (French Linux Association) will prepare a QT4 developpement conference. For those who are near speak a bit of french C++... Come with your ideas (or if someone has some to be developped ...) Rgds, AstHrO Here's the announce : La prochaîne conférence de l'association Chtinux aura lieu le mardi 11 mai. Le sujet du mois est la bibliothèque Qt4 (cette conférence sera donc destinée à un public plutôt averti). Connaissez-vous Qt ? Il s'agit d'une librairie libre multi plateformes permettant de réaliser des applications pour Linux, Windows, MacOS X et même certains téléphones ! Dans cette conférence, nous verrons comment utiliser Qt avec son langage de programmation officiel, le C++. Pour les besoins de cette conférence, nous vous demandons de tenter de venir avec des mini-projets à réaliser qui puissent servir d'exemples. Cette conférence serait découpée en deux parties : une présentation rapide de la programmation avec Qt (des connaissances en programmation sont préférées), puis nous passerons rapidement en mode atelier, où l'on réalisera des projets que vous aurez proposé... Comme toutes les conférence du second mardi du mois, elle aura lieu à partir de 20h30 à la Cyber-Base des Bois Blancs (Ecole Desbordes Valmore), rue Guillaume Tell à Lille : http://osm.org/go/0EgILn6hm- -- Thomas HOCEDEZ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHRu] Stuck @ language screen aka Contest of the day.
Hi mokists, here's a challenge of the day contest : I just reflashed SHRu (feb 15). And I was surprised to see a touch-calibration utility at really startup ! Nice idea. But only problem : I touch my screen anywhere by mistake My calibration was validated ! now, I can't click on the Egnlish language button... And by SSH, as I didn't set my password, I cannot reset anything. I know I can reflash, but I don't want to. (I don't like easy things). If someone knows how to connect SSH or relauch the calibration utility I will send an openmoko-fr sticker. -- AstHrO - openmoko-fr.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] Rudimentary support for several wikis
Have you seen this on the git (http://wiki.github.com/wikireader/wikireader/structure-of-sd-card) Multiple Language Version * Programs are in the root (*.elf) * Forth related items (*.4th *.4mu forth.ini) are in the root * Fonts (*.bmf) are in the root * XXpedia subdirectories contain the data (wiki*.*) (XX = en, es, de, fr ... see wiki-app/wiki_info.c) * XXpedia/wiki.nls is the language specific messages file (plain text key=message) How already tested this ? -- Thomas HOCEDEZ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] Rudimentary support for several wikis
Le 26/01/2010 14:23, Tom Bachmann a écrit : Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote: Have you seen this on the git (http://wiki.github.com/wikireader/wikireader/structure-of-sd-card) Nope. I take it most of my work was useless … Did you think that maybe YOUR work causes this stuff to be developped ?! héhé ... OpenSource mysteries ;-) I'll keep watch your work. -- Thomas HOCEDEZ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] Rudimentary support for several wikis
Le 21/01/2010 19:07, Tom Bachmann a écrit :
Alright. The latest commit has a ChangeCollection script. Use it like this:
ChangeCollection.py --from=none --to=1 --prefix=/path/to/image/pedia
--dat-offset=${next free dat}
where ${next free dat} is the first unused number in the .dat namespace
of the english wiki. This will take a long while (it has to decompress
and recompress all articles!), but it is probably faster than
re-rendering everything (on my laptop it takes about 40 seconds to patch
1000 articles).
Next copy the pedia.idx, pedia.pfx, pedia.fnd, pedia.hsh, pedia?.dat of
the english wiki to your image, renaming to pedia0.idx, pedia0.pfx,
pedia0.fnd, pedia0.hsh (the pedia?.dat can keep their names). If you now
boot my kernel, you should be able to change between both wikis, as
described in my first post.
Please tell me if everything works as expected.
I have other Wikis to test with, (french + bosnian + lituanian) but I
still have two questions :
#1 : I can't find your ChangeCollection.py script : where did you hide
it ?
#2 : How can you find the last id in .dat file ? for me it is not
humanly readable...
#3 (extra bonus question) : Don't you think it would be possible to
automatize those steps ?
The last steps are very easy to do. ;-), I think I'll manage to do it.
Thanks for your nice job.
AstHrO
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Re: [wikireader] Rudimentary support for several wikis
Le 19/01/2010 16:33, Tom Bachmann a écrit :
I now registered to the list, since unregistered didn't seem to come
through and c...@thewikireader doesn't seem to respond. Possibly you
might recive this message more than once.
Original Message
Subject: [wikireader] Rudimentary support for several wikis
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:56:53 +
From: Tom Bachmanntb...@cam.ac.uk
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Hello,
first of all, please CC me since I'm not registered to the list.
Over the last few days I have been hacking together rudimentary support
for displaying several collections of data (e.g. wikis of different
languages) on the wikireader. This code is not yet ready to be
incorporated into the main repository (I think), and furthermore I don't
actually know if it complies with your ideas of simplicity.
HOWEVER, I would be very grateful to everyone who can test the code. I
don't yet have a real wikireader (i.e. I have been developing this on
the simulator; I will get one after sorting out my budget...) and I'm
worried that there might be problems related to e.g. the scarcity of
memory on the reader (how much ram has it installed?).
Here is what I did: basically, articles are now identified by their
index and by their collection id (the highest four bits of the 32bit
identifier). The .pfx, .fnd, .hsh and .idx files are replicated per
collection. The .dat files are just numbered consecutively (and
identified by the usual way). So if you have e.g. two collections, say
english and french wikipedia, then your image layout may look like this:
pedia0.idx pedia0.hsh pedia0.pfx pedia0.fnd
pedia1.idx pedia1.hsh pedia1.pfx pedia1.fnd
pedia0.dat pedia1.dat pedia2.dat pedia3.dat pedia4.dat
You cannot tell what articles are in what .dat files (in principle
articles from several wikis could be mixed in one file), but in practice
we might have pedia0-2.dat corresponding to the collection 0 (english
wiki) and pedia{3,4}.dat corresponding to collection 1 (french wiki).
The searching functionality etc is implemented in the wiki-app, the user
inteface is rather non-existent. As a hack for testing I'm statically
configuring the system to use two collections (identified 0 and 1) and I
added an invisible button to the upper right corner of the search menu
to switch between the collections (in the simulator you will see a
message). There seem to be some bugs in that button but it's really for
testing only.
In addition to implementing all that in the wiki-app, I modified the
render, index and combine programs. All take a new --coll-number
argument to identify the collection being worked on, and
ArticleRender.py has a new --dat-number argument to specify the .dat
file (--number only identifies the block for the .idx file).
The good news is, you can just re-use your primary collection (the one
identified by 0). The bad news is, all extra collections have to be
re-built. For a quick test, try
make DESTDIR=image WORKDIR=work \
XML_FILES=xml-file-samples/japanese_architects.xml \
COLL_NUMBER=1 DAT_NUMBER=${first unused index in .dat} iprch
make DESTDIR=image WORKDIR=work install
and then copy everything to your wikireader (or try sim4).
Again, it would be *greatly* appreciated if someone could build a large
second collection and try two real-life datasets on the wikireader.
All the code is at gitorious (just because I am already registered there
but not yet on github). To get it, do
git clone git://gitorious.org/wikireader-ness/wikireader-ness.git
Let me know what you think!
Thanks,
Tom
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It would be awesome !
I finished French Wiki last night, upload is in action. It will be
available before tonight on some mirors.
I'll post urls as soon as it is available.
Thomas
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[wikireader] French image available !
Hi WikiReaders ! I'm proud to tell you the french image of the Wikireader is (finally) released ! It is based on the dump of 20th december 2009. It is 1.4Gb weigth (nice baby) and contains 898 000 articles. A beginning of picture support (math formulas for now). It took 18 hours to parse 20 hours to render. (an automated process is being thought). No more blahblah, here's the link : ftp://alionet-repository.no-ip.info/Linux/OpenMoko/wikireader/wr_fr_20100120.tar.gz Bonne Lecture. AstHrO ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
Le 12/01/2010 12:42, David Garabana Barro a écrit : On Friday 08 January 2010 19:23:00 Timo Jyrinki wrote: Hi, Just FYI to the community list, as slowness has been one of the biggest problems with Neo. Quite nice speedups are coming: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2010-January/010811.htm l (performance testing by Gennady Kupava) WOW! Its *REALLY* faster. You can feel it from the very first touch: SHR-Today :) I can confirm, but some troubles on the SHRu (Jan 6th) : - Wifi is not available (can't turn on device) - No sound during phonecalls (can't hear nothing on both sides). Someone to confirm those bugs ? (this way I'll trac those points) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
Ole Kliemann wrote: On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 08:23:00PM +0200, Timo Jyrinki wrote: Hi, Just FYI to the community list, as slowness has been one of the biggest problems with Neo. Quite nice speedups are coming: This is the single most incredible speedup so far! Big thanks to anyone involved! I'm running shr-testing with neo-theme and at resolution 240x320. Even scrolling the contact list etc. is quite smooth now. And the interface is as responsive as it has never been before. Great improvements : I used the same kernel for SHRu (01/06) and H:1rev5, both were dramatically improved ! @/ole : How did you managed to change the resolution ? / ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
Le 29/12/2009 21:34, jeremy jozwik a écrit : On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppari...@kurppa.fi wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Do you use FR as your primary PDA? What distribution you run most of the time? yes yes SHRu / H:1 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v16
Le 21/12/2009 15:50, Francisco Moreno a écrit : thanks, the multiplexing is useful What for ? (I don't know what it is exactly...) Thanks. AstHrO ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner gone...
Le 15/12/2009 21:11, Fabian Schölzel a écrit : On Tuesday 15. December 2009 15:29:45, Martin Šenkeřík Šenkeřík wrote: The story was that, one guy was on the walk with dog, which brought to him bag with black thing. He didn't know what is it, so he gave it to his friend. Friend realized, that there is probably linux system (according to scrolling text when booting :-)), but that was all - and started googling. He told me, if that is normal phone, he would probably not try so much to find info about it... Now *that* is a nice story. You are now owning the dog-rescued special edition of the Freerunner. :) May the curiosity of dog owners always be with you, Fabian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community This could be fun to have a If you found this phone button on SHR today (or any screensaver app). This app could contain information about tht owner and ability to send text message to another number or call the owner (on another phone number of course)... Some tweakers in the room ? AstHrO ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner gone...
Le 16/12/2009 21:12, Michal Brzozowski a écrit : OMG geeks :-) Just write this info on a piece of paper and stick on the inside of the back cover 2009/12/16 Thomas HOCEDEZ thomas.hoce...@free.fr mailto:thomas.hoce...@free.fr This could be fun to have a If you found this phone button on SHR today (or any screensaver app). This app could contain information about tht owner and ability to send text message to another number or call the owner (on another phone number of course)... Some tweakers in the room ? AstHrO - MM ... clever balls ! ;-) Though, I already have such a sticker ! It remind me the story of the expensive NASA pen's problem to write in space, USSR just took paper pen... AstHrO. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Homemade USB gamepad (NeoPlay)
Le 10/12/2009 14:13, Atilla Filiz a écrit : Btw I also plan to design a docking station. Anyone interested to collaborating?;-) I have no CAD knowledge but I am interested in some form of dock, maybe some electrical talk, and willing to donate some cash for your expenses. -- - Atilla Filiz Eindhoven University of Technology Embedded Systems, Master's Programme --- I'm on it to do a carbon one. My idea is to do a passive dock, just to stand the phone. If it works, I'll try to make an active one (with USB plug). My prototype will be done in polyester, then a glassfiber mold will be prepared, then I'll launch production in carbon ;-) Keepin touch. AstHrO. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[WikiReader] Do no take it apart...
Hi Wikireaders, As you know (or will know) I took apart my Wikireader to view what lives inside, and try to add some backlight. This idea, as great as it can be, revealed to be a REALLY bad idea. The WR's motherboard is link to the screen by two 'ribbons' conenctors (I don't know the english name) which are REALLY thin and FRAGILE. I removed them really carefully, though, the touch screen don't respond anymore. :-( I tried to resolder point by point this -really- thin ribbon, but nothing did the trick I'm in relation with the support team at Openmoko, who told me this device is not designed to be hard-tweaked as the freerunner is. So this kind of mistake is not covered by the warranty ! So, I just can ask you to avoid opening your WR. (the soft tweak is not dangerous for the device, as all the system remains on the SD card) For those who wants, I took some pictures, so if you want to see take a look at http://freerunner.daily.free.fr AstHrO, Wikireader addict. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[WikiReader] SpareParts ?
Hello, Unfortunately, my touchscreeen don't seemed to working anymore. (I opened my FR to put backlight, what is impossible to do). Does the specs show what part is the screen ? Is it possible to find one somewhere or do I have to use my WR with random only ? Thanks by advance to all information. kindly Regards AstHrO ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [WikiReader] French Image
No, I didn't. What would be the interest to do so ? I used ArticleIndex, ArticleParser and ArticleRenderer individually (not the 00run shell script.) This time, I use the script, but a huge articles0.html file is being generated. I think it is not a good thing, but I will see this midday, the parsing will be over and rendering started. About the French application, I managed to compile with french sentences, but the keybord refuses to be changed (though I redraw it !) For now, one of my priority will be to find parts to replace my touch area (or whole screen, all seems to be glued). David Reyes Samblas Martinez a écrit : Had you generated a hash file? using hash-gen utility? , regards. David Reyes Samblas Martinez 2009/12/1 Thomas Hocedez thomas.hoce...@free.fr: Hi people. I manage to generate a French image for the wikireader .. but it is not usable. A sad Failed to load article is always displayed. My image strangely a single 1.4Go file ... any idea ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [WikiReader] French Image
David Reyes Samblas Martinez a écrit : 2009/12/1 Thomas HOCEDEZ thomas.hoce...@free.fr: No, I didn't. What would be the interest to do so ? it generate the index from the final filesto be able to search them correctly generating a hash file that must be included, in the image directory: $../host-tools/has-gen/has-gen --fnd=pedia.fnd --pfx=pedia.pfx --hsh=pedia.hsh I used ArticleIndex, ArticleParser and ArticleRenderer individually (not the 00run shell script.) This time, I use the script, but a huge articles0.html file is being generated. I think it is not a good thing, parsing is precisely the generation of this html files :) it transform from wiki code to html , so is normal that file is generated is about the sizes of the original xml file but I will see this midday, the parsing will be over and rendering started. About the French application, I managed to compile with french sentences, but the keybord refuses to be changed (though I redraw it !) For now, one of my priority will be to find parts to replace my touch area (or whole screen, all seems to be glued). Regarding just one pedia0.dat file is normal cause you use only one machine to do that, OM has generated varios dat files because they paralelize the process , with different peaces of the xml to parse/render Well thanks for all thoses lights ! I'll bee able to go to sleep less stupid tonight ! ;-) I'll try your tricks, and give you back my answers. Thanks again. THomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [WikiReader] Sharing compiling sources.
Tim Besard a écrit :
Hi,
It seems that the Dutch wikipedia contains some UTF-8 only characters,
which crashes the parser after all due to the system echo in the
exception handler. Changing the offending line to
os.system('echo \%s\ fault_articles.txt' %
title.encode(utf8))
fixes the issue.
Tim
Well, thanks a lot Tim, the error occured also on the french parsing.
And as I told before, I'm a Pythonbeginner, so the only way I found to
avoid this was to ... remove the line, and keep the counter alive.
For information I finished rendering wfrench Wikipedia dump :
1 140 000 articles
61 false articles
parsing took 12 hours
rendering 18 hours
The image weights 1,6 Gigs, but only in one file (don't sure it is normal ?)
All this was done on a QuadCore 2.2Ghz, 2Go Ram.
I have to notice that the disk is NTFS, perhaps a ext4 would be better
(my mount process dramatically worked during those processes).
The image is readable by the emulator, but as it was finish while I'm at
the office, I could only try with a deported X display (through SSH)
I Will post later (at home) when the file will be in the reader. Some
friends will host the file, and I'm working on a automated script
(weekly french image ?)
See you tonight
Thomas from Wikilecteur Team
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Re: [WikiReader] Sharing compiling sources.
Tilman Baumann a écrit : I think I cracked the nut, but have a look if you would be so kind. I'm not sure I completely got it. (Please ignore the first commit. I did not test correctly before checking in. :-/ ) Regards Tilman Baumann I just had an eye on it, it looks nice. I'll try it tonight for french version. Cheers Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[WikiReader] French Image
Hi people. I manage to generate a French image for the wikireader .. but it is not usable. A sad Failed to load article is always displayed. My image strangely a single 1.4Go file ... any idea ? Second bad news for tonight : as I dismantle the WR to be more convenient to change SD card (by soldering batteries outside), I check for some room to add leds to backlight the screen. In one hand there is no way to backlight screen (with AAA batteries I mean), in the other hand, my touchscreen doesn't respond anymore ! I will only use the random button 'till I found some spare parts (I think the ribbon might be broken) and I don't want to let the project down right now ! I'm regenerating an image. using lasts scripts. We'll see tomorrow. Tilmasn did you manage to generate something good ? Regards Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [WikiReader] Sharing compiling sources.
Thomas HOCEDEZ a écrit : Hi DAvid, Can you share your scripts configs to do the same in French (and other languages) ? Thanks Thomas As the Mailing list seems to be broken (or users started hibernating for winter...) I find by myself the way to compile things step by step. I'm for now rendering the French Wikipedia. As it started a few minutes ago, the result will be availabel during the weekend (I hope). I'll also post the way I managed to do so ! (I'm at the office for now, and I'm leaving...) Regards to you all ! Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [WikiReader] Sharing compiling sources.
Don't be sorry, everyone can have a proffesionnalpersonnal life too ;-) ! As I'm not familiar to Python and in the cul-de-sac I was, the retry-without-parsing-faulty-article was the solution I choose too, but without leading to do It. Thanks you showed me. French Wikipedia parsing crashed just after Tintin and Milou (I don't know if you know that comic strip -it might change name in spanish-, it's about a reporter leading investigations). I'll read the wikipedia page to find what could be wrong with it. The wrong page is quite big and was a discussion' page, not really funny to read. I found what might be wrong : it contains the spanish reversed question mark (? but upside down).other pages (for now) presents lot of strange uppercase accented letters (up S with cute accent, E too ...) If this can help... With your help, a first (but incomplete) release will be generated this weekend ! (My friends won't look me as a silly guy reading US wikipedia in the closet) good night, thanks again, my computer will do the rest. (and 'ill put a eye tomorrow on the problems) cheers Thomas Le vendredi 27 novembre 2009 à 23:13 +0100, David Reyes Samblas Martinez a écrit : Sorry for the wait Thomas, I was working to solve the broken pipe issue that stops the parser when it finds an error. I have applied a quick and dirty workaround using try-catch technique and now the process will not stop and just skip the faulty article and keeps going :) it logs the faulty ones in a text file (title and position) for posterior forensics, but my first guesses in that is not a codification issue with utf8 is more an unexpected formating tag the php parser don't know how to deal with Actually parsing the german wikipedia with more than 1.3 million articles Count: 1043000 Failing count: 2 and keeps going I supose we can sacrificate two articles for having one milion available now :) as you requested I uploaded my working compiled tools[1] but without any xml sources it's about 113Mb, but if you have a working tools on your system you just have to change host-tools/offline-renderer/ArticleParser.py by the attached on this mail and you can forget to cry like a child that his ice cream has fall to the floor when after more than 24h parsing hundred of thousand articles pased the process you see this ugly python error backtrace blablabla and not your desired file :) by the way the faultyarticles.txt is saved at same host-tools/offline-renderer directory, (i'm too lazy to put a parameter for change that and I hardcoded the name of the file , yes... don't waste typing on correct that bad habit, I know) If you have curiosity of what articles on the german wiki are causing troubles on dewiki-latest-pages-articles.xml (date 2009-11-20) ~Storck Bicycle 832673 ~Musculus serratus posterior inferior 857334 Regards I hope I will upload the German wikipedia on Sunday... and will be available on Monday, sorry for the wait but my Asymmetric DSL is very asymmetric and upload 1.5-2 Gb (expected file size) will take a bunch of hours. For those than wants to compile his own , go for it :) the Quickreference in the doc directory on the souce is all you need to start working, just remember than if you have a 64 bit system you will have to follow the 64 bits method to compile the tools, Regards [1]http://tuxbrain.org/downloads/wikireader/wikireaderbinaries20091127_dsamblas_modified_trycatch.tar.bz2 David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! 2009/11/27 Thomas HOCEDEZ thomas.hoce...@free.fr: Thomas HOCEDEZ a écrit : Hi DAvid, Can you share your scripts configs to do the same in French (and other languages) ? Thanks Thomas As the Mailing list seems to be broken (or users started hibernating for winter...) I find by myself the way to compile things step by step. I'm for now rendering the French Wikipedia. As it started a few minutes ago, the result will be availabel during the weekend (I hope). I'll also post the way I managed to do so ! (I'm at the office for now, and I'm leaving...) Regards to you all ! Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[WikiReader] Sharing compiling sources.
Hi DAvid, Can you share your scripts configs to do the same in French (and other languages) ? Thanks Thomas how to obtain a spanished wikireader without waiting 20 hours :) http://www.tuxbrain.com/content/wikireader-ya-en-espa%C3%B1-y-en-castellano David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Wikireader] damn compiling errors (french pedia)
Hi dudes, First point, I'm compiling the french wikipedia, I managed to parse the 2 400 000 articles, but the rendering fails on a damn broken pipe error. I changed some stuff in the MAkefile like I-can't-remember-how told, but unsuccessfully. I wonder if it's not a character encoding problem... Second point, I compiled the french-translated wiki-app, but in the qt-simulator the changes mades to GFX (keyboard) and translation(search.c) are not visible ! (tried make all / make install ...) I don't know where those data come from... If anyone has an idea... or can tell me I'm in the twilight zone... Thanks for your help, I'm not totally at ease with copiling for now. Thomas HOCEDEZ French Wikireader addict - Mail Original - De: David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com À: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Envoyé: Dimanche 22 Novembre 2009 03h57:08 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: Re: [Wikireader]Full spanish wikipedia successfully packed but... how to obtain a spanished wikireader without waiting 20 hours :) http://www.tuxbrain.com/content/wikireader-ya-en-espa%C3%B1-y-en-castellano David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! 2009/11/20 David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz RAM 3029MiB DDR2 HDD:SATA Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 1Tb Final size of image directory 918M FInal size of work directory 3,0G Size of downloaded es_xml uncompressed 5,3G Size of downloaded es_xml compressed 1.5G Total time aprox 20h, 30% parsing 70% rendering, indexing and hashing time is negligible Total amount of articles 650.000 real and about 1.100.000 counting redirections (as far I remember no time to make a full recount :P) David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! 2009/11/20 Nelson Castillo arhu...@freaks-unidos.net: On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:28 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: I have achive to run the full proccess sucsessfully, all articles are David, just out of curiosity: How long did it take? What computer did you use for this task (CPU type/speed/RAM/disk space needed)? N.- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
