Re: GTK in Qtopia
Back in the glorious days of Qtopia2 (o zauri, where are thou?), there was an X server running on top of Qt-embedded. I'm pretty sure it stalled since then, but one can give it a try (http://xqt.sourceforge.jp/). BTW, it might have been a quicker way to reach the let's run random X apps aside Qtopia ones goal without porting the whole Qtopia to X11. Just the other way around, I guess. Some people are already complaining that X is slow, I can't even imagine what it would be if coded on top of Qt... -- Charles-Henri ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTK in Qtopia
On Wednesday 30 July 2008 4:52:25 pm Charles-Henri Gros wrote: Back in the glorious days of Qtopia2 (o zauri, where are thou?), there was an X server running on top of Qt-embedded. I'm pretty sure it stalled since then, but one can give it a try (http://xqt.sourceforge.jp/). BTW, it might have been a quicker way to reach the let's run random X apps aside Qtopia ones goal without porting the whole Qtopia to X11. Just the other way around, I guess. Some people are already complaining that X is slow, I can't even imagine what it would be if coded on top of Qt... xqt was actually quite usable, even on the old zaurus. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTK in Qtopia
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Charles-Henri Gros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some people are already complaining that X is slow, I can't even imagine what it would be if coded on top of Qt... Some people would complain that _everything_ is slow, provided it's not their favorite toolkit/OS/computer/car/... -- Olivier M. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTK in Qtopia
Hi, Is there a way to run a GTK application under Qtopia ? Some kind of GTK-Qt bridge... a way for GTK to write to Qtopia framebuffer instead of X ... or X writes to framebuffer ? ... or whole screen control switches from framebuffer to X while this app runs ? I think I have seen somewhere a solution via server X - VNC - KeyPeeble (vnc client under qtopia)... is that doable ? I realize such a solution will probably not perform ideally (speed, memory,... ?). But even if not ideal, this could be really great to be able to launch any given app. (just maybe not your every day apps) And it may even not be as bad as on your desktop when you launch another whole OS in a virtual machine... and still it can be very useful ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTK in Qtopia
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Is there a way to run a GTK application under Qtopia ? Some kind of GTK-Qt bridge... a way for GTK to write to Qtopia framebuffer instead of X ... or X writes to framebuffer ? ... or whole screen control switches from framebuffer to X while this app runs ? Back in the glorious days of Qtopia2 (o zauri, where are thou?), there was an X server running on top of Qt-embedded. I'm pretty sure it stalled since then, but one can give it a try (http://xqt.sourceforge.jp/). BTW, it might have been a quicker way to reach the let's run random X apps aside Qtopia ones goal without porting the whole Qtopia to X11. Just the other way around, I guess. -- OlivierM ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android -
On Monday 19 November 2007 14:54, Marcelo Lira wrote: Free software is worth encouraging. Status quo closed source is not. So, this is a problem, but it is ok to use free software to help the growth of a company that profits in selling licenses for closed source software? Trolltech GPL's most of the code it develops, which guarantees that software will remain free ad infinitum. So ya, equating the copyright assignment for both FSF and Trolltech is the same. Yes, GPL guarantees that, but a library in GPL is not that useful for a developer that sometimes have to do closed source apps. First Qtopia is not open enough, and now they should allow everybody else to be totally closed source. What is this, you should be allowed to develop commercial closed source software, but Trolltech is not allowed to try to make money of Qtopia? Sorry, but you just can't have the cake, and eat it as well. And please don't start with the I will not help anyone developing closed source discourse, since a number of free projects contributors have to do this, support themselves with the money earned so they can continue contributing. Indeed to have a full time open source programming job is a dream for most people I know. Even FSF releases its libraries in LGPL, well, they created it. For this there will be no practical possibility of community fork for Qt or Qtopia, and weakening the force of the community in the decisions. Why is that? You can perfectly create you own fork of Qtopia, I see how it may not be very usefull and wothwhile, but nothing else is stopping you. I really believe that you at Trolltech are not willing to abuse your position, but what if Qtopia is the ubiquitous software platform to develop upon, so that there is no thinkable alternative? What if all you good guys, that I could trust, get out of Trolltech, and managers that could not get a job at Microsoft replace you, and change the way you work with the developers? Can you guarantee that this will never happen? I doubt. I pretty sure they cannot guarantee that, but when that happens you've reached the point where it becomes worthwhile to start a fork of Qtopia. And although there is no guarantee, the fact that this option will allways be open will go a long way in preventing Trolltech from doing nasty things, because the community will just pick up the code and create a fork. And a copyright assignment with FSF, a non-profit organization, and with Trolltech, a regular company, is not the same. We cannot let the licenses think for ourselves. So, you do trust the FSF to be nice until eternity? Frankly, that seems pretty naive to me. At less Trolltech has a commercial interest in being nice and not pissing of there customers, the FSF has no such interests and its actions will just be defined by however is going to be running that club in the future. Surely that a lot of (obviously for profit) companies back the GTK+, Hildon and other LGPL/other-permissive-license libraries and tools, but the sinergy of sometimes conflicting interests is a good thing, and helps to avoid the possibility of an unilateral control that benefits one part more than the others. All true, but all of that does nothing to promote open source. It just lowers the costs of the closed source offerings of these companies. Good for them, but I couldn't care less. Not that this is a bad thing, it helps paying my bills as well. But when Trolltech basically says; If your are makeing money of our work we want a slice of the pie thats very reasonable to me. When others want to allow companies to make big money of there code thats fine too, but there is no moral obligation for anyone to do so. Lorn, I don't want to offend you and the company you work and surely love, and the products that are technically great, I just don't think that this model is strategically good for all projects. Suggest a better model, when it takes into account the fact that Trolltech should be able to pay salaries to its developers it may just be considered. Until there is a better idea it seems to me that this model does more for open source than the IBM 'take a lot, give a bit back' or the Google 'Grab what you can get' model. AVee -- A man with one watch knows what time it is. A man with two watches is never quite sure. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android -
On Wednesday 21 November 2007 18:13:15 Lorn Potter wrote: First Qtopia is not open enough, I guess you didn't read that Qtopia Phone is completely GPL, lock, stock and barrel. I guess you didn't read AVee's mail very closely. Seems to me that he was mocking that complaint, not making it. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android -
AVee wrote: On Monday 19 November 2007 14:54, Marcelo Lira wrote: Free software is worth encouraging. Status quo closed source is not. So, this is a problem, but it is ok to use free software to help the growth of a company that profits in selling licenses for closed source software? Trolltech GPL's most of the code it develops, which guarantees that software will remain free ad infinitum. So ya, equating the copyright assignment for both FSF and Trolltech is the same. Yes, GPL guarantees that, but a library in GPL is not that useful for a developer that sometimes have to do closed source apps. First Qtopia is not open enough, I guess you didn't read that Qtopia Phone is completely GPL, lock, stock and barrel. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android -
On Monday 19 November 2007 14:54:09 Marcelo Lira wrote: Yes, GPL guarantees that, but a library in GPL is not that useful for a developer that sometimes have to do closed source apps. And please don't start with the I will not help anyone developing closed source discourse, since a number of free projects contributors have to do this, support themselves with the money earned so they can continue contributing. If you make money from development, the license costs for Qt don't seem very high. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android -
Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Lorn Potter wrote: If you look at the development, both Nokia and Openmoko 'runs the show' and has the last say on their respective platforms, not the community. It is perfectly reasonable to me that Nokia and FIC get to decide the software that's installed on their hardware. But that doesn't take away from the fact that they have chosen free software as the basis for their system. Nokia haven't tried, for example, to take over GTK+ development and add lots of Maemo-relevant patches to the core GTK+ releases (although many of those patches probably should be mainlined). I'm sure that they could, if they chose to. Instead they're working with the upstream community and maintaining patches downstream for their hardware, while trying their best to get as many as possible of those patches back upstream for community approval. Isn't that a model of collaboration worth encouraging? Free software is worth encouraging. Status quo closed source is not. Compare to Qtopia, Trolltech decides the roadmap for the software, and the community is welcome to participate (after signing a copyright assignment) in so far as they agree with that roadmap. Actually, the community (the free software community, our customers and the market in which it is sold) decides Qtopia's roadmap. Contributing code to Qtopia is really no different than contributing code to FSF/GNU. Equating the FSF, a non-profit which guarantees that software assigned to it will remain Free Software ad infinitum with Trolltech, a company who wants to make money off dual licencing by releasing my work under a commercial licence to those who don't like the GPL... that's pretty funny. Trolltech GPL's most of the code it develops, which guarantees that software will remain free ad infinitum. So ya, equating the copyright assignment for both FSF and Trolltech is the same. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needsapplications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)
From my POV, when people at OpenMoko decided on GTK for its paltform they are giving developers the ability to participate and influence *directly* on its development, and create great apps, both opensource and proprietary, without paying any license fees. The Nokia decision when build the Maemo platform was of the same nature. Qtopia has none of these traits. Look that the pricing is not the most importante issue, its the control over the development of the platform, as the history of Microsoft and IBM roles in the beginning of PCs told us, who controls the software runs the show. I personally prefer the model where the community runs the show, and think that the companies behind OpenMoko and Maemo prefer that no other random company gives the cards on its hardware platform. -- Marcelo Lira dos Santos http://setanta.wordpress.com @CInLUG: http://www.cin.ufpe.br/~cinlug @Ciência Livre: http://www.ciencialivre.pro.br @INdT: http://www.indt.org.br ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needsapplications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)
License fees for Qtopia (and Qt) are a pittance compared to the fees of even one engineer for one year for any company Yes I agree with you before you said it: Look that the pricing is not the most importante issue You can influence directly the development of Qtopia very easily. It appears more that you can assist the development than decide its future. I agree that the patent argument is an issue to every company, but these days who isn't violating another company software patent? The security that Qtopia offers over projects like OpenMoko or Maemo is some patent arsenal from Trolltech, or some agreement like the Novell-Microsoft one? If I'm following correctly almost every opensource project should be judged dangerous by the companies. -- Marcelo Lira dos Santos http://setanta.wordpress.com @CInLUG: http://www.cin.ufpe.br/~cinlug @Ciência Livre: http://www.ciencialivre.pro.br @INdT: http://www.indt.org.br ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android -
Hi, Lorn Potter wrote: If you look at the development, both Nokia and Openmoko 'runs the show' and has the last say on their respective platforms, not the community. It is perfectly reasonable to me that Nokia and FIC get to decide the software that's installed on their hardware. But that doesn't take away from the fact that they have chosen free software as the basis for their system. Nokia haven't tried, for example, to take over GTK+ development and add lots of Maemo-relevant patches to the core GTK+ releases (although many of those patches probably should be mainlined). I'm sure that they could, if they chose to. Instead they're working with the upstream community and maintaining patches downstream for their hardware, while trying their best to get as many as possible of those patches back upstream for community approval. Isn't that a model of collaboration worth encouraging? Compare to Qtopia, Trolltech decides the roadmap for the software, and the community is welcome to participate (after signing a copyright assignment) in so far as they agree with that roadmap. Contributing code to Qtopia is really no different than contributing code to FSF/GNU. Equating the FSF, a non-profit which guarantees that software assigned to it will remain Free Software ad infinitum with Trolltech, a company who wants to make money off dual licencing by releasing my work under a commercial licence to those who don't like the GPL... that's pretty funny. Copyright assignment is all about trust - what do you want to do with the work that I assign you? And do I agree with what you want to do? And can I trust you not to decide to do something else with it later? All these questions are important to a developer deciding whether to sign a copyright assignment. Usually, the answer will be not worth the hassle of signing. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary OpenWengo Community Development Manager Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +33 9 51 13 46 45 Mob: +33 6 28 09 73 11 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needsapplications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)
Marcelo Lira wrote: From my POV, when people at OpenMoko decided on GTK for its paltform they are giving developers the ability to participate and influence *directly* on its development, and create great apps, both opensource and proprietary, without paying any license fees. The Nokia decision when build the Maemo platform was of the same nature. Qtopia has none of these traits. Look that the pricing is not the most importante issue, its the control over the development of the platform, as the history of Microsoft and IBM roles in the beginning of PCs told us, who controls the software runs the show. I personally prefer the model where the community runs the show, and think that the companies behind OpenMoko and Maemo prefer that no other random company gives the cards on its hardware platform. If you look at the development, both Nokia and Openmoko 'runs the show' and has the last say on their respective platforms, not the community. I would think they would prefer a trusted platform where random developers aren't contributing to possible security and patent issues, one where they could track the code and where it came from more easily. License fees for Qtopia (and Qt) are a pittance compared to the fees of even one engineer for one year for any company (that is for the closed source version), license fees for the GPL version are free. and ISV (Independent Software Vendor) license fees are probably going away. You can influence directly the development of Qtopia very easily. Bug reports/feature requests can be made via Trolltech's bug tracker. Contributing code to Qtopia is really no different than contributing code to FSF/GNU. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needsapplications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)
Marcelo Lira wrote: License fees for Qtopia (and Qt) are a pittance compared to the fees of even one engineer for one year for any company Yes I agree with you before you said it: Look that the pricing is not the most importante issue You can influence directly the development of Qtopia very easily. It appears more that you can assist the development than decide its future. I agree that the patent argument is an issue to every company, but these days who isn't violating another company software patent? The security that Qtopia offers over projects like OpenMoko or Maemo is some patent arsenal from Trolltech, or some agreement like the Novell-Microsoft one? If I'm following correctly almost every opensource project should be judged dangerous by the companies. Trolltech has no patent arsenal, and is against them. http://dot.kde.org/1081772638/ Distributing opensource can be dangerous, especially when audio/video codecs are concerned. Many need to be properly licensed to be distributed. I was speaking of code diligence, and knowing exactly where and when any line of code came from and being able to track it. Trolltech has (opensource) code that cannot be worked on by citizens of certain countries due to export restrictions. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needsapplications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)
Very true. An extremely small amount of actual source code, none of it especially useful, was released with Android. The core libraries, as well as the Dalvik virtual machine, the tools, etc., were only released in binary form. The only sources provided were - the kernel - WebKit - the QEMU-based emulator Google has stated that they won't be making any further releases of code before phones running Android ship, so that seems to be pretty much all we'll see of Android for a year or so. You could get OpenMoko running on the Android emulator relatively easily, but I don't think you'd have nearly that kind of luck running the Android software on FIC hardware. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Burton Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 5:49 AM To: Michael Schmidt Cc: List for OpenMoko community discussion; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needsapplications) (will be: new vision for openmoko) On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 14:30 +0100, Michael Schmidt wrote: If I understand it right, the neo phone has now three options for an operating system - the current openmoko GTK operating system - Qtopia from Trolltech - Android linux from google. Last time I looked, the full Android stack wasn't open source. They say it will be, but until it is Android is a closed platform running on Linux. Ross -- OpenedHand Ltd. Unit R Homesdale Business Center / 216-218 Homesdale Road / Bromley / BR1 2QZ / UK Tel: +44 (0)20 8819 6559 Expert Open Source For Consumer Devices - http://o-hand.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needs applications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)
On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 14:30 +0100, Michael Schmidt wrote: If I understand it right, the neo phone has now three options for an operating system - the current openmoko GTK operating system - Qtopia from Trolltech - Android linux from google. Last time I looked, the full Android stack wasn't open source. They say it will be, but until it is Android is a closed platform running on Linux. Ross -- OpenedHand Ltd. Unit R Homesdale Business Center / 216-218 Homesdale Road / Bromley / BR1 2QZ / UK Tel: +44 (0)20 8819 6559 Expert Open Source For Consumer Devices - http://o-hand.com/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needs applications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)
Wiadomość napisana w dniu Nov 16, 2007, o godz 2:30 PM, przez Michael Schmidt: Hi If I understand it right, the neo phone has now three options for an operating system - the current openmoko GTK operating system - Qtopia from Trolltech - Android linux from google. Hi! Actualy those are not operating systems. Operating system is for example Linux. It is used for OpenMoko and Qtopia (I'm not sure for Android but I think also). Also is it neccessary to cross-post to so many lists? best regards Krzysztof ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needs applications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:59:33 +0100, Michael Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So make a poll for GTK-OS versus Qtopia. maybe it is not only a technical question. Is there an emulator to test both systems on my windows machine? then i can give a vote based on the stomach. If not, then I vote for Qtopia, as this allows secure VOIP with the mentioned Qt-Application for openmoko. Why start another QT/GTK discussion? This has been hashed to death already in so many projects. What you have is a device, Neo1973 that will come preloaded with Openmoko, a GTK based OS. You then have the choice to add or replace that with Qtopia, or Sun's JavaFX Mobile platform, or any number of other OSses that will shorely be ported to the Neo soon. That's great, No need for additional OS wars. Richard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needs applications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)
Wiadomość napisana w dniu Nov 16, 2007, o godz 4:42 PM, przez Enno Gottox Boland: -.- ok another flamewar... lets participate. Hi! Actualy those are not operating systems. Operating system is for example Linux. It is used for OpenMoko and Qtopia (I'm not sure for Android but I think also). Don't feed the troll... ... ... ... Oh, I really have to! Linux is a kernel. GTK/Qt/etc is the GUI. You can call e.g. Angstrom the Operating system, but also it is the Distribution. It is not clear what should be called OS in this environment, but for sure Linux is NOT an OS. Hmm, others think different. Check out wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux (first sentence): Linux (pronunciation: IPA: /ˈlɪnʊks/, lin-uks) is a Unix-like computer operating system. Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system: An operating system (OS) is the software that manages the sharing of the resources of a computer and provides programmers with an interface used to access those resources. So kernel matches this definition perfectly. cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needs applications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)
Hi If I understand it right, the neo phone has now three options for an operating system - the current openmoko GTK operating system - Qtopia from Trolltech - Android linux from google. It is right that a the community is devided between Qt and GTK, and that additionally the community is splitted between android linux and openmoko linux Third the lead developers are exhausted. How can we bind that all together, is google replacing openmoko? no. we just need a vision. Openmokos idea was to make an open source operating system against to microsoft mobile phone windows. Now we have three... You can say, Openmoko is now only a discussion list, a plattform to discuss things (Bulletinboards??). And we have neo, which needs some hardware actualization due to the market standard, e.g. bigger screen, touchpad if not in, DVB-T-Television/mediaplayer, good applications based on wifi, meshing networks (B.A.T.M.A.N.) and others. And we need a launch !! Quick done, as the OLPC laptop has forced it in the last months.. Maybe some developers do not care about the money, google has offered for the best 10 applications, but care about the philosophy.. to build an open source phone with the latest ideas and applications. First of all appreciate that there are now 3 actors against closed source microsoft. And: yes.. google graps the open source philosophy into money. Some might be caught, others not.. though you need not see it equal = open source = without coders getting paid. Yes.. maybe android apllications run as well on openmoko, we can work on that. So this can contribute to the challenge, to build an alternative to the G-Phone based on Android. We need to summarize up the ideas and people - with which philosophy ever - (and I guess a lot of application developers for android will of course consider, that they can run on the openmoko OS and phone!!) to get a LAUNCH!! The idea of an mobil phone laptop might be the best vision to work on. Google might be convenient and adresse the mass market, but people, which do not want deliver all the data to google, who has when phoned from which location to which participant (see the data retention law in the EU and the massive demonstrations against this!!!) might be interested into an alternative to google phone. While the openmoko phone will adress linux geeks and users, who are more technically advanced and know, that google is doing evil things with your privacy. DO NOT PHONE WITH GOOGLE, will be their slogan.. and this is was the day, openmoko phone was born. This means, not microsoft gets an alternative open source mobile phone operating system, but google. You get many users, which will make an application running on both systems, the openmoko phone and the google-android phone. The last thing now to discuss, is, which Operating System (gui) for the Openmoko Phone is better, if android applications should run as well on it? Do we need then the GTK-OS or the Qtopia? If then the choice is Qtopia, then there is a project team needed, to announce this result of this question. So perform a technical lead, which is integrating all working with GTK ! So the question is, WHO is joining/interesting the GTK-Community to work on Qtopia? Last comment to the events to the last days might be this: Open Source is not the key factor for an alternative to Android or Microsoft. And Do we need an alternative to Android? This is open... But yes of course, the new focus is, that we need an alternative to DATA CAPTURING by google. So let us develop a phone, which is a mobile laptop, with a lot of feature, which protects the privacy of users. One example based on the core functionality of a phone: you need a phone to phone, you have analog calls and VOIP. if it is a laptop, then maybe some other data transfers are done, so e.g. especially for data retention you can hide VOIP data amoung/inbetween other data transfers. Imagine now an echelon computer fetching all words you say and bringing spoken advertising into the phonecall .. the same principle like google mail analysing the text of mails and presenting the FITTING ads in the sidemenue. Or Imagine the local geo-data of the phone cell gives us an spoken advertisement of the restaurant next door, from the point you do the call. and so on and so on... many ideas for google to fetch the data of the user, phoneing, calling , saving, contacting, storing reading etc.. Google means to be a synonym for all informational and communicational processes a human beeing is doing, google is a filter, which you should adopt to the synapses of your head. I do not want that, and therefor we need the Openmoko Different from google phone. Back to the core competencies on phoning, If you implement VOIP, then you have the chance to encrypt voip calls, you even can handle them without any ISP, if you choose WIFI or MESH networks (B.A.T.M.A.N., https://www.open-mesh.net/batman ) etc. If you want to encrypt VOIP, then there is just end
Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needs applications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)
2007/11/16, Ross Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 14:30 +0100, Michael Schmidt wrote: If I understand it right, the neo phone has now three options for an operating system - the current openmoko GTK operating system - Qtopia from Trolltech - Android linux from google. Last time I looked, the full Android stack wasn't open source. They say it will be, but until it is Android is a closed platform running on Linux. Ross Thanks for the feedback, good to hear, so the wall to fight is still closed source, but the main point of the mail was, that the criterium closed vs opensource now has not the main impact anymore. The new direction is to make an alternative, which is not collecting data (from which google makes its money). This is the uniqueness and differentiation from Androids steered by Android Phone using google.. For that we need a clear launch date of Neo in the online shop and we need a clear - in accordance to the community - agreement on which operating system all - and then really *all* should agree and work on this neo-launch - developers and applications then work. So make a poll for GTK-OS versus Qtopia. maybe it is not only a technical question. Is there an emulator to test both systems on my windows machine? then i can give a vote based on the stomach. If not, then I vote for Qtopia, as this allows secure VOIP with the mentioned Qt-Application for openmoko. Regards Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needs applications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)
On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 14:59 +0100, Michael Schmidt wrote: [...] So make a poll for GTK-OS versus Qtopia. maybe it is not only a technical question. Is there an emulator to test both systems on my windows machine? then i can give a vote based on the stomach. If not, then I vote for Qtopia, as this allows secure VOIP with the mentioned Qt-Application for openmoko. We've had this discussion on these mailing lists lots of times before. Competition is good, choice is good. In the end, everyone will benefit from being able to choose what to run on their phone. As far as I know, OpenMoko Inc is not about to throw away all the hard work that has gone into creating the OpenMoko platform. If you want to use Qtopia, good for you, but now that you have made that choice, please allow the rest of the OpenMoko community to continue working on their own platform. Regards, Thomas -- OpenedHand Ltd. Unit R Homesdale Business Center / 216-218 Homesdale Road / Bromley / BR1 2QZ / UK Tel: +44 (0)20 8819 6559 Expert Open Source For Consumer Devices - http://o-hand.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
