Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-26 Thread Rod Whitby
That's the most braindead shit I've heard since a long time. Why are you suddenly playing the weenies? Do you need a huge Carrara-marble tomb-stone with Mickey, the inventor of OpenMoko? Just get the shit out and stop talking about September. And yes, it is a good thing if you keep steering

Re: Some thoughts about the real importanted dates for OpenMoko/Neo1973 3GSM World 2007 Barcelona this year ...Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-26 Thread Gervais Mulongoy
I have to admit that I kind of agree with Marcus, especially in terms of leveraging the free marketing that will happen from an early release. But in order to do this properly, we need to better organize the OpenMoko support infrastructure. Support will be required for: * Hardware issues * Core

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-26 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/26/07 8:47 AM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just get the shit out and stop talking about September. Get the brain share into it - nobody will mind if you keep doing the decisions. Can we please keep this list civilized? This is a great opportunity for Linux/Open Source (add

Re: Some thoughts about the real importanted dates for OpenMoko/Neo1973 3GSM World 2007 Barcelona this year ...Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-26 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Gervais! On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Gervais Mulongoy wrote: I have to admit that I kind of agree with Marcus, especially in terms of leveraging the free marketing that will happen from an early release. But please not with a buggy hardware... But in order to do this properly, we need to

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-26 Thread Paul Jimenez
Sean please just ignore idiots like this. The rest of us know you're doing the best job you can and want to see the phone out ASAP just as much as we do. In summary: ignore the trolls and keep doing what you're doing. --pj On Saturday, Jan 27, 2007, Sean Moss-Pultz writes: On 1/26/07 9:40

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-26 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Sat, 2007-01-27 at 01:35 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Marcus, these kind of comments are not constructive at all. Mickey is a core member of OpenMoko and is doing an amazing job. You haven't even seen the work he's done and you're already bashing us? I honestly believe that OpenEmbedded

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-26 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Sat, 2007-01-27 at 01:37 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Listen, there's nobody on this list that wishes we'd had this phone out in January more than I. But delays happen. You can't seriously be calling us liars now are you? Gosh no, that would be nonsense! However I'm sure I'm not the

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-26 Thread Steven Milburn
-- Forwarded message -- From: Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 01:37:39 +0800 Subject: Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters? On 1/26/07 9:40 AM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-26 Thread David Ford
He's not an idiot, he's just being bluntly vocal. I sense his frustration with not having the device and his concern that others will get to market first and stealing the 'community made' thunder and of course in financial speak, the market share. We all want toys and I'm sure OM is itching at

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-26 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia piątek, 26 stycznia 2007 19:24, Marcus Bauer napisał: But if you can produce enough phones, than let all the early adopters have them, whether they are developers or not. In projects like this it is normal to write that phones in Phase 0/1 are target to developers. It is other way to say

Communications (was Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?)

2007-01-26 Thread Richi Plana
On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 13:40 -0500, Steven Milburn wrote: Sean: I think you missed the sarcastic hyperbole that Marcus was attempting to use. He was basically saying that calling you liars would be about as wrong as assuming since he didn't reply, he must not have read a post. It's a weak

Glossary Re: Communications (was Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?)

2007-01-26 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Richi! Good point! On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Richi Plana wrote: And with that, let me state that I think it important to use Figures of Speech as little as possible in these mailing list. For one thing, many of the members of these lists don't have English as their primary language (I know

RE: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-26 Thread David Schlesinger
He's not an idiot, he's just being bluntly vocal. Sorry, David, _I'm_ bluntly vocal, that was simply abusive. There's a difference, but I've never known either one to speed up a hardware platform project. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-26 Thread David Ford
I don't agree with his email tone either and neither will he speed up release of the product. His email was rude and abusive, yes. But him an idiot, no. -david David Schlesinger wrote: He's not an idiot, he's just being bluntly vocal. Sorry, David, _I'm_ bluntly vocal, that was simply

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-26 Thread Warren Noronha
On Jan 26, 2007, at 11:07 PM, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Listen, there's nobody on this list that wishes we'd had this phone out in January more than I. But delays happen. You can't seriously be calling us liars now are you? Haven been working on a wireless device my self for the past few

Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-25 Thread Marcel de Jong
Hello all, I was wondering. I'm not a developer, at least not by profession; I do have a degree in it but my coding skills are very rusty, I'm a software tester (TMAP, but not yet certified). So I'm not really a developer, but I'd still like to get me a phone in March. (can't wait till

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-25 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Marcel de Jong wrote: Hello all, I was wondering. I'm not a developer, at least not by profession; I do have a degree in it but my coding skills are very rusty, I'm a software tester (TMAP, but not yet certified). So I'm not really a developer, but I'd still like to get me a phone in

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-25 Thread Marcel de Jong
On 1/26/07, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcel de Jong wrote: Hello all, I was wondering. I'm not a developer, at least not by profession; I do have a degree in it but my coding skills are very rusty, I'm a software tester (TMAP, but not yet certified). So I'm not

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-25 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Marcel de Jong writes: On 1/26/07, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcel de Jong wrote: I was wondering. I'm not a developer, at least not by profession; I do have a degree in it but my coding skills are very rusty, I'm a software tester (TMAP, but not yet certified).

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-25 Thread Marcel de Jong
On 1/26/07, Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcel de Jong writes: On 1/26/07, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcel de Jong wrote: I was wondering. I'm not a developer, at least not by profession; I do have a degree in it but my coding skills are very rusty, I'm a

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-25 Thread Ortwin Regel
I'll risk it anyway... Guess it'll be a rough ride, then, but I'm up for that. Can't wait another six months for the phone of my dreams. :P On 1/26/07, Marcel de Jong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/26/07, Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcel de Jong writes: On 1/26/07, Michael 'Mickey'

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-25 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Marcel de Jong wrote: On 1/26/07, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcel de Jong wrote: Hello all, I was wondering. I'm not a developer, at least not by profession; I do have a degree in it but my coding skills are very rusty, I'm a software tester (TMAP, but not yet

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-25 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Marcel de Jong writes: Those of us drooling for one of the early phones, knowing what we're letting ourselves in for, are the beta testers... Heh, you've got a point there. I know I'm drooling for one of those. And if we can somehow backup the phone to do some testing, that'd would be great.

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-25 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Marcus, please watch your tone on this mailing list. You obviously didn't follow the news closely otherwise you would have already known about http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-January/00.html, which clearly indicates the roadmap and talks about September for mass market

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-25 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 01:53 +0100, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Marcus, please watch your tone on this mailing list. It shall be. You obviously didn't follow the news closely otherwise you would have already known about

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-25 Thread Pranav Desai
On 1/25/07, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcel de Jong wrote: Hello all, I was wondering. I'm not a developer, at least not by profession; I do have a degree in it but my coding skills are very rusty, I'm a software tester (TMAP, but not yet certified). So I'm not

Some thoughts about the real importanted dates for OpenMoko/Neo1973 3GSM World 2007 Barcelona this year ...Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-25 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Marcus,*! On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Marcus Bauer wrote: On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 01:53 +0100, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Marcus, please watch your tone on this mailing list. It shall be. It? Respect is the absolute basic for communication and cooperation. The fact that I didn't answer

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-25 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 02:16 +0100, Stefan Schmidt wrote: An you mean insulting people and guessing about facts helps us here? I don't think so. Stop insulting I'll refrain from harsh words. buy your phone in march I'd buy it today already if it would be available. and show us what

Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-25 Thread Jason Elwell
I'd also like to know if the hardware is likely to change between March and September. I *am* a developer, but that doesn't mean I want to buy another phone is 6-8 months :) -Jason On Thursday 25 January 2007 19:49, Pranav Desai wrote: On 1/25/07, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Some thoughts about the real importanted dates for OpenMoko/Neo1973 3GSM World 2007 Barcelona this year ...Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?

2007-01-25 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 03:42 +0100, Robert Michel wrote: I don't think that people buy a new phone to going on holiday with the new phone - AFAIK the most phones are sold November-January. People buy phones all year round. And those that do so before their holidays will come back and make