Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-26 Thread Mark
On Tue Nov 20 09:52:07 CET 2007 Attila Csipa plists at prometheus.org.yu wrote: On Monday 19 November 2007 19:01:14 Mark wrote: My interest in the Neo from the the beginning has been the possibility of running Firefox, Thunderbird and OpenOffice on it. All I would need Are you really-really

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-20 Thread Jay Vaughan
Anyone after a laptop replacement should consider the Asus eeePc. It's Linux based, cheap (£220 UKP) small and fairly rugged. Hey, don't discount the NEO1973+Apple Wireless Keyboard idea, also. Its a very neat package, and while it is two things to carry around, its two very nice things

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-20 Thread Attila Csipa
On Monday 19 November 2007 19:01:14 Mark wrote: My interest in the Neo from the the beginning has been the possibility of running Firefox, Thunderbird and OpenOffice on it. All I would need Are you really-really sure you want to run those exact applications on an embedded device with 128MB RAM

Re: Use Neo w/out removing from pocket (was: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement)

2007-11-20 Thread Jay Vaughan
I'm well aware that the input side of things is not addressed yet, but I think we can explore the video side without having to wait for a solution on the input side. It will come soon enough, I'm sure. Especially once we start showing what we can do on the output side. Bluetooth input

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-19 Thread AVee
On Saturday 17 November 2007 21:09, Joshua Layne wrote: Ted Lemon wrote: On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 11:19 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: I'd like to explore adding a head mounted display to the Neo, like the i-glasses PC/SVGA Head Mounted Display at about $700. Would require an off-board SVGA

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-19 Thread Giles Jones
AVee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Your not the only one. The Nokia N810 has 2 advantages compare to the NEO, it has a keyboard and a slightly bigger display. However, it does force me to carry two devices, which is a major disadvantage. Maybe one day there will be a NEO like device with a

Re: Use Neo w/out removing from pocket (was: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement)

2007-11-19 Thread Ted Lemon
On Mon, 2007-11-19 at 10:35 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: What sort of applications make sense this way? What sort of new applications does this allow? I think the two big killer apps are laptop replacement and watching video. But that's going to require hardware acceleration. Long term, you

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-19 Thread Andrzej Jan Taramina
Ted sed: What I'd like to see is someone (FIC?) making a computer *like* the Neo that's a real laptop replacement. 1Ghz ARM, DVI out, 640x480 screen just like what we have in the Neo, runs slow when it's on batteries, fast when it's plugged in, a couple gigabytes of flash, an external hard

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-18 Thread Andrzej Jan Taramina
Ted sed: What I'd like to see is someone (FIC?) making a computer *like* the Neo that's a real laptop replacement. 1Ghz ARM, DVI out, 640x480 screen just like what we have in the Neo, runs slow when it's on batteries, fast when it's plugged in, a couple gigabytes of flash, an external hard

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-17 Thread Jay Vaughan
I really like your idea. I also think that GTA02 will have enough power for a small notebook-replacement for a bit hacking, writing or something like this. Up until my catastrophic u-boot and debug board failure (grr..) I had been using my GTA01 for the last couple of weeks just fine as a

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-17 Thread Andy Powell
On Saturday 17 November 2007 09:11, Andraž 'ruskie' Levstik wrote: On 09:56:25 2007-11-17 Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really like your idea. I also think that GTA02 will have enough power for a small notebook-replacement for a bit hacking, writing or something like this.

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-17 Thread Andraž 'ruskie' Levstik
On 09:56:25 2007-11-17 Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really like your idea. I also think that GTA02 will have enough power for a small notebook-replacement for a bit hacking, writing or something like this. Here's my 0.02 euro-cents... Why not a laptop chassis with a tft

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-17 Thread Jay Vaughan
Why not a laptop chassis with a tft in and an extra battery pack integrated and keyboard(combo usb/bt/wireless)(hell even a mouse of some sorts) and then just have a plugin slot for the neo to hook in(of course this would require a bit of hardware addon to the neo(a vga/dvi/other) port

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-17 Thread Ted Lemon
On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 10:11 +0100, Andraž 'ruskie' Levstik wrote: Why not a laptop chassis The laptop form factor forces poor ergonomics. I always bring a keyboard with me when I travel so that I can have the screen up high and the keyboard down low. So for me the built-in keyboard is just

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-17 Thread Ted Lemon
On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 09:29 +, Andy Powell wrote: If I can manage to push aside the feeling that people should just buy something like the Asus EEE PC rather than going this route... No bluetooth. No DVI out. Doesn't fit in your pocket, unless you have a really big pocket.

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-17 Thread Michael Shiloh
I'd like to explore adding a head mounted display to the Neo, like the i-glasses PC/SVGA Head Mounted Display at about $700. Would require an off-board SVGA controller, which could be prototyped with a USB SVGA controller, assuming Linux drivers can be found. Thoughts?

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-17 Thread Ted Lemon
On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 11:19 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: I'd like to explore adding a head mounted display to the Neo, like the i-glasses PC/SVGA Head Mounted Display at about $700. Would require an off-board SVGA controller, which could be prototyped with a USB SVGA controller, assuming

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-17 Thread Joshua Layne
Ted Lemon wrote: On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 11:19 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: I'd like to explore adding a head mounted display to the Neo, like the i-glasses PC/SVGA Head Mounted Display at about $700. Would require an off-board SVGA controller, which could be prototyped with a USB SVGA

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-16 Thread Erland Lewin
On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 23:11 +0100, Erland Lewin wrote: I imagine a kit the size of a regular book for the Neo containing a fresnel lens with a frame for attaching to the phone, a foldable keyboard, a small mouse, and a battery pack loadable with, say, 2 regular 'C' size batteries. Ted

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-16 Thread Thomas Gstädtner
I really like your idea. I also think that GTA02 will have enough power for a small notebook-replacement for a bit hacking, writing or something like this. If the lens would be mounted correctly I think this would be really cool. On software-side this could be done with using a new profile (like:

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-16 Thread AVee
On Friday 16 November 2007 02:11, Ted Lemon wrote: On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 23:11 +0100, Erland Lewin wrote: I imagine a kit the size of a regular book for the Neo containing a fresnel lens with a frame for attaching to the phone, a foldable keyboard, a small mouse, and a battery pack loadable

Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-15 Thread Erland Lewin
Please let me bounce an idea off the list... Given that the Neo1973 has similar processing power and screen resolution to what desktop machines had not too long ago, I think it would be cool if the user interface had a 'mode' where the Neo could work as a laptop replacement. I imagine a kit the

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-15 Thread Steven **
But the GTA02 is 400 MHz. I've got a 650 MHz laptop at home that runs Windows XP just fine. That's over 7 years old. I think the 400 MHz processor could handle a lot of the simple apps I'd want while on the move. I plan to use the GTA02 much as Erland describes (minus the lens). -Steven On

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-15 Thread Giles Jones
On 15 Nov 2007, at 22:32, Steven ** wrote: But the GTA02 is 400 MHz. I've got a 650 MHz laptop at home that runs Windows XP just fine. That's over 7 years old. I think the 400 MHz processor could handle a lot of the simple apps I'd want while on the move. I plan to use the GTA02 much as

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

2007-11-15 Thread Ted Lemon
On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 23:11 +0100, Erland Lewin wrote: I imagine a kit the size of a regular book for the Neo containing a fresnel lens with a frame for attaching to the phone, a foldable keyboard, a small mouse, and a battery pack loadable with, say, 2 regular 'C' size batteries. The