R: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-06 Thread Michele Manzato
According to Italian/European Union law:

1) the customer can return the package within 14 days from the receipt of the 
good bought on-line. No matter if it's perfectly working or if it is DOA. This 
is not yet a warranty, it applies to goods that were bought by corrispondence 
or on-line where the customer cannot check the good on the spot. Actually, I 
don't know to which extent this applies to goods bought on-line outside from 
Italy, this likely depends on bi-lateral agreements between countries.

2) if, within 6 months from the purchase, the good shows malfunctions, it is 
automatically presumed that the good was already defective. The reseller must 
reimburse, repair or substitute the good. Note that this responsibility is on 
the *reseller*, not on the producer, in case they are different.

3) if, within 2 years from the purchase, the good shows malfunctions, then it 
is up to the customer to prove that the good was already defective and that the 
malfunction isn't the result of wearing or improper usage. Again, if the good 
is actually defective, the reseller must reimburse, repair or substitute the 
good.

After 2 years have passed the legal warranty expires. The producer/reseller can 
optionally offer a longer or enhanced commercial warranty (3 years or more, 
24hrs substitution, etc), but this does not replace the minimum legal warranty.

EU directives talk about conformity. A defect is found whenever the device 
fails to conform:
- to existing norms and laws that are applicable to the device (900MHz EM 
radiation from antenna must not be greater than X...). Failing to comply to 
norms/legislation may even result in the product being retired from the market.
- to what has been declared by the producer (SD and GPS work well together, 
It can make phone calls, It can receive SMS...)

See also: 
http://www.cedarrapids.org/_includes/fileblob.asp?I=16table=contentext=pdf 

Michele

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Oggetto: RE: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

The warrenty on our web shop is 14 days for DOA.

GSM problems could be related to the age of your SIM. So we suggest updated
any old SIMS.
Micheal can help.

Steve 

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Subject: Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

ian douglas wrote:
 Guys,
 
 My intention was not to create a message thread for people to vent 
 about what they like or not about the Freerunner. I created the thread 
 to get an official stance from Openmoko about the state of the 
 warranty, and if it would cover any hardware fix offered by OM for the
GPS/SD problems.

And a good thread it was too :)

I am also very curious about the potential GSM fixes. Will these be done by
sending it back, or will it be something us hackers can do (and soldering
sub-micron capacitors to invisible traces I do not consider your average
hacker can do, and I have been playing with a soldering iron for 35 years,
and I would not attempt it :)

The GSM problems particularly worry me, because it does make the phone
useless as a phone and I need to know if I need to go buy another phone as a
primary phone or not. Whereas problems with GPS  SDCARDS are not show
stoppers for me.

If it worked fine with a BT headset I could also use it happily. (Of course
if we discover a fatal H/W flaw that prevents even BT headsets from working
that is also a show stopper for me)

So please OM head honchos, get together and please give us a definitive
statement as to what the after sales support will be for any serious
Hardware issues discovered after shipping.

Thanks
Jim

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Re: R: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-06 Thread Michele Renda
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Hi Michele

this law is valid in Italy / EU union.

For this reason if you buy your FR from a reseller, as for example
Pulster, you receive 2 years warranty.

But if you buy from U.S. like from the OM shop, you must to follow US
laws about warranty.

Best regards
Michele Renda

Michele Manzato wrote:
 According to Italian/European Union law:
 
 1) the customer can return the package within 14 days from the receipt of the 
 good bought on-line. No matter if it's perfectly working or if it is DOA. 
 This is not yet a warranty, it applies to goods that were bought by 
 corrispondence or on-line where the customer cannot check the good on the 
 spot. Actually, I don't know to which extent this applies to goods bought 
 on-line outside from Italy, this likely depends on bi-lateral agreements 
 between countries.
 
 2) if, within 6 months from the purchase, the good shows malfunctions, it is 
 automatically presumed that the good was already defective. The reseller must 
 reimburse, repair or substitute the good. Note that this responsibility is on 
 the *reseller*, not on the producer, in case they are different.
 
 3) if, within 2 years from the purchase, the good shows malfunctions, then it 
 is up to the customer to prove that the good was already defective and that 
 the malfunction isn't the result of wearing or improper usage. Again, if the 
 good is actually defective, the reseller must reimburse, repair or substitute 
 the good.
 
 After 2 years have passed the legal warranty expires. The producer/reseller 
 can optionally offer a longer or enhanced commercial warranty (3 years or 
 more, 24hrs substitution, etc), but this does not replace the minimum legal 
 warranty.
 
 EU directives talk about conformity. A defect is found whenever the device 
 fails to conform:
 - to existing norms and laws that are applicable to the device (900MHz EM 
 radiation from antenna must not be greater than X...). Failing to comply to 
 norms/legislation may even result in the product being retired from the 
 market.
 - to what has been declared by the producer (SD and GPS work well together, 
 It can make phone calls, It can receive SMS...)
 
 See also: 
 http://www.cedarrapids.org/_includes/fileblob.asp?I=16table=contentext=pdf 
 
 Michele
 
 -Messaggio originale-
 Da: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Per conto di steve
 Inviato: lunedì 4 agosto 2008 23.50
 A: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'List for Openmoko community discussion'
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Michael Shiloh'
 Oggetto: RE: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?
 
 The warrenty on our web shop is 14 days for DOA.
 
 GSM problems could be related to the age of your SIM. So we suggest updated
 any old SIMS.
 Micheal can help.
 
 Steve 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Morris
 Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 1:43 PM
 To: List for Openmoko community discussion
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Shiloh
 Subject: Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?
 
 ian douglas wrote:
 Guys,

 My intention was not to create a message thread for people to vent 
 about what they like or not about the Freerunner. I created the thread 
 to get an official stance from Openmoko about the state of the 
 warranty, and if it would cover any hardware fix offered by OM for the
 GPS/SD problems.
 
 And a good thread it was too :)
 
 I am also very curious about the potential GSM fixes. Will these be done by
 sending it back, or will it be something us hackers can do (and soldering
 sub-micron capacitors to invisible traces I do not consider your average
 hacker can do, and I have been playing with a soldering iron for 35 years,
 and I would not attempt it :)
 
 The GSM problems particularly worry me, because it does make the phone
 useless as a phone and I need to know if I need to go buy another phone as a
 primary phone or not. Whereas problems with GPS  SDCARDS are not show
 stoppers for me.
 
 If it worked fine with a BT headset I could also use it happily. (Of course
 if we discover a fatal H/W flaw that prevents even BT headsets from working
 that is also a show stopper for me)
 
 So please OM head honchos, get together and please give us a definitive
 statement as to what the after sales support will be for any serious
 Hardware issues discovered after shipping.
 
 Thanks
 Jim
 
 --
 Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com
 
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