On Wednesday 22 August 2007 21:19, Andre Schmidt wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 19:31 +0800, Harald Welte wrote:
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> > I'm not opposed to changing the reply-to for community, if you want
> > that. In fact, I have now changed it.
> >
> > For all other lists I'm a bit less inclined to do it, but w
On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 07:31:54PM +0800, thus spake Harald Welte:
> Dear Hank,
>
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 06:50:03AM -0400, hank williams wrote:
>
> > While I agree with your argument that no header is the standard for FOSS,
> > this is not the case for the reply to issue, which you did not ad
Mike Hodson wrote:
> Why not reply to all? Because im rather sure I don't want to reply to
> the author twice
Well, I want you to reply to me twice, reason being that one copy goes
into my "openmoko" folder and the other goes into my "inbox". This way,
I know this is not just another boring email i
On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 19:31 +0800, Harald Welte wrote:
> Dear Hank,
>
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 06:50:03AM -0400, hank williams wrote:
>
> > While I agree with your argument that no header is the standard for FOSS,
> > this is not the case for the reply to issue, which you did not address. As I
Harald,
While I agree with your argument that no header is the standard for FOSS,
this is not the case for the reply to issue, which you did not address. As I
said earlier, the Apache groups (perhaps the largest FOSS umbrella) for
example, and many (most?) others do not have the default reply-to g
Dear Hank,
On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 06:50:03AM -0400, hank williams wrote:
> While I agree with your argument that no header is the standard for FOSS,
> this is not the case for the reply to issue, which you did not address. As I
> said earlier, the Apache groups (perhaps the largest FOSS umbrell
On Thu, Aug 16, 2007 at 12:19:55AM +0100, thus spake Giles Jones:
> It's only affecting GMail messages.
It's mostly Gmail messages that are being affected, but not entirely.
A recent non-Gmail message that was duplicated was sent by mokoNinja
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 8/16 with:
Subject: "Re: Finger
Hi!
For the various reasons cited in the many mails on this subject,
there is a general concensus in the FOSS community and among maybe the
hacking community in general _not_ to add subject prefixes.
Filtering can be done on List-ID header (or with other commonly-used
list software on Mailing-Li
On Tue, Aug 14, 2007 at 03:29:33PM -0400, hank williams wrote:
> [...]
> A "bad idea" that most other high volume mailing lists do.
> [...]
> A "bad idea" that most other high volume mailing lists do.
> [...]
50 billions of flies eat shit, they can't be wrong...
The majority doesn't always now th
i hate this idea of adding tags to the subject: line. there is
nothing wrong with checking 'any header' for
"community@lists.openmoko.org" and if its found, put it in its own
folder. If you can search for a "[subjectag]", you can search for an
email address: thus, [subjecttag] is redundan
Karsten Ensinger wrote:
Maybe you should switch to this (or improve your configuration):
https://removedupes.mozdev.org/
I use this extension to thunderbird with success. The suggestion
of the extension seems to contain some smart algorithms.
The already read messages are preselected for keep
Ben Burdette wrote:
Nick Johnson wrote:
On 8/16/07, Giles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 16 Aug 2007, at 00:07, Nick Johnson wrote:
The list server is clearly the issue here, failing to accept messages
in a timely fashion.
It's only affecting GMail messages.
I believe
Nick Johnson wrote:
On 8/16/07, Giles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 16 Aug 2007, at 00:07, Nick Johnson wrote:
The list server is clearly the issue here, failing to accept messages
in a timely fashion.
It's only affecting GMail messages.
I believe people with provid
On 8/16/07, Giles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 16 Aug 2007, at 00:07, Nick Johnson wrote:
> > The list server is clearly the issue here, failing to accept messages
> > in a timely fashion.
> It's only affecting GMail messages.
I believe people with providers other than gmail (and not just
hank williams wrote:
I think that this is not useful at all.
Actually it would be quite useful.
I'm do not thinking so.It will waste valuable space in Subject column of
message list with STUPID and REDUNDANT tags which carry no useful info
at all and just wasting space in Subject column
On 16 Aug 2007, at 00:07, Nick Johnson wrote:
The list server is clearly the issue here, failing to accept messages
in a timely fashion.
It's only affecting GMail messages.
Plus that RFC you quoted says recommended 30 minute retry but GMail
is retrying every 8 minutes.
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On 16.8.2007, at 1.48, Giles Jones wrote:
On 15 Aug 2007, at 23:30, Nick Johnson wrote:
Wasn't it established that the problem was with the list server
taking
ages to send an OK response to messages, and the gmail (and some
other) servers simply giving up? Seems like more of an issue wit
On 8/16/07, Giles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 15 Aug 2007, at 23:30, Nick Johnson wrote:
> > Wasn't it established that the problem was with the list server taking
> > ages to send an OK response to messages, and the gmail (and some
> > other) servers simply giving up? Seems like more of
On 15 Aug 2007, at 23:30, Nick Johnson wrote:
Wasn't it established that the problem was with the list server taking
ages to send an OK response to messages, and the gmail (and some
other) servers simply giving up? Seems like more of an issue with the
list than with the client.
That maybe so
On 8/16/07, Dean Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So is that one voteor twoor three.(or however many more
> times your email client is going to send the same message over and
> over).
Wasn't it established that the problem was with the list server taking
ages to send an OK response
d overand over.
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> Cheers,
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hank
> williams Sent: Tuesday, 14 August 2007 10:22 PM
> To:
age-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Torfinn Ingolfsen
> Sent: Wednesday, 15 August 2007 2:49 PM
> To: OpenMoko
> Subject: Re: mailing list management
>
> Hello,
>
> On 8/15/07, Allan Savolainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 15 Aug 2007, at 20:39, Dean Collins wrote:
Maybe not but at least we know not to resend the same email 20
times….. over and over……and over….and over…..
That's an ongoing problem with GMail and this list.
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> ... why should all mailing lists change their "standard?" behaviour only
> cause some minority? (poll?) of email clients dont support these
> functions ?
I will no longer discuss the merits of this issue, but I feel obliged to
address two factually inaccurate statements.
1. Gmail is not a m
PM
To: Rod Whitby
Cc: OpenMoko
Subject: Re: Fwd: mailing list management
Do the people suggesting these changes
think that they really know better about how this list should be
set up?
Yup.
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On Wed, 2007-08-15 at 10:16 +0200, Ulrik Rasmussen wrote:
> > Until my mail client gives me a "reply to list ONLY" command, I vote
> > for changing reply-to to BE THE LIST.
>
> My email client has a "reply to list". I use KMail.
mine (evolution) too. i just hit ctrl+l to answer to list...
and all
On Wednesday 15 August 2007 12:48, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On 8/15/07, Allan Savolainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > And another 'pls don't change it'. One would think that in this day
>
> Here is another voice from the "silent majority" - please do NOT
> change the way the list is
Hello,
On 8/15/07, Allan Savolainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And another 'pls don't change it'. One would think that in this day
Here is another voice from the "silent majority" - please do NOT
change the way the list is set up.
As for the "reply to" issue - either live with the way your mai
Hi,
This is getting out of control. I thought more people would have already
been through enough of these discussions so they'd know the facts and
good choices.
I know, it's a bitch that your favourite email client does not support
all the good things in life (like reply to list). But there
> Until my mail client gives me a "reply to list ONLY" command, I vote
> for changing reply-to to BE THE LIST.
My email client has a "reply to list". I use KMail.
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Mike Hodson wrote:
> Why not reply to all? Because im rather sure I don't want to reply to
> the author twice (as he apparently is on the list) and I don't want to
> reply to anyone else the author sent the mail to. There appears to be
> no other way to use this client than simply 1 or all, not si
Look I'll vote for not changing the subject line; headers are
wonderful for sorting.
However, when I wish to reply -to the list-, I get a choice of either
-to the sender- or -to the list, sender AND anyone else the bloody
sender sent it to- instead of simply replying -to the list-.
While the wond
> Do the people suggesting these changes
> think that they really know better about how this list should be set up?
Yup.
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x27;ll all have to put "mailing list management" in our
filter lists :-)
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On 15.8.2007, at 0.35, Christian Tschabuschnig wrote:
I am a member of the 'silent majority' - this is my first post - and,
yes, please leave it as it is.
And another 'pls don't change it'. One would think that in this day
and age all mail clients are able to filter, tag, color and/or
cate
Jim McDonald wrote:
> Just so that the 'silent majority' don't lose out on this one, I would
> like to point out that there are approximately 1,500 people subscribed
> to this list. Can we assume that unless we hear from them their vote is
> 'no change'? There are pros and cons to each system, bu
illiams* < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
Date: Aug 14, 2007 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: mailing list management
To: Daniel Mewes < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
I
use pager notification for my e-mails and text paging in
ou to accurately filter your incoming mail:
> Thread-Topic: Fwd: mailing list management
> X-BeenThere: community@lists.openmoko.org
> X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5
> Precedence: list
> List-Id: List for OpenMoko community discussion
> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.op
with while
adding them to the front would really annoy me.
On 8/14/07, hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Oops again. That reply to thing is a bitch.
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> Date: Aug 14, 2007
nged to reply to the list instead. I
read the page that was linked, suggesting that's a bad idea, and I
disagree.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 4:26 PM
To: OpenMoko
Subject: Re: Fwd: mailing
On 14 Aug 2007, at 21:35, Dean Collins wrote:
Lol - yep shortly followed by the human race all moving back to
wearing
skins and living in rock caves.
Doing nothing as a 'reason' is about as dumb as you can get.
They have the discussions all the time on the Linux Kernel list,
people askin
Oops again. That reply to thing is a bitch.
-- Forwarded message --
From: hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Aug 14, 2007 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: mailing list management
To: Daniel Mewes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I
> use pager notification for my e-mails and text pa
-Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim McDonald
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 August 2007 4:26 PM
> To: OpenMoko
> Subject: Re: Fwd: mailing list management
>
> so I suggest we lea
Well this is probably the wrong place for a whole-community poll about
this topic, but let me say that if the majority here really wants
subject tagging, than please put the tag at the end of the subject! I
use pager notification for my e-mails and text paging in Germany has a
very limited message
hank williams wrote:
Oops. As usual I hit "reply to" and it went to casey personally
Its broken.
Just so that the 'silent majority' don't lose out on this one, I would
like to point out that there are approximately 1,500 people subscribed
to this list. Can we assume that unless we hear from t
Oops. As usual I hit "reply to" and it went to casey personally
Its broken.
-- Forwarded message --
From: hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Aug 14, 2007 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: mailing list management
To: Casey Harkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Munging
On 14 Aug 2007, at 19:48, Casey Harkins wrote:
Dean Collins wrote:
I do run filtering in Outlook - but I run it on subject - less
processor intensive.
How is filtering on subject less processor intensive than using
mailing list headers?
I said stuff like that years ago on the Amiga and
Dean Collins wrote:
I do run filtering in Outlook - but I run it on subject - less processor
intensive.
How is filtering on subject less processor intensive than using mailing
list headers?
And thanks Casey - I also subscribe to about 5 or 6 other lists and they all
have subject prefixes
Chris Kuethe wrote:
On 8/14/07, hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I think that this is not useful at all.
Actually it would be quite useful.
+1 for tagging the subject.
I second that. How about [om-community]-$subject
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On 8/14/07, hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I think that this is not useful at all.
> Actually it would be quite useful.
+1 for tagging the subject.
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Santiago Crespo
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 August 2007 12:10 PM
> To: OpenMoko
> Subject: Re: mailing list management
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> El mar, 14-08-2007 a las
hank williams wrote:
I think that this is not useful at all.
Actually it would be quite useful.
Without such a header I am unable to *visually* distinguish between this
and other mailing lists or mail. Filters are useful for organizing, but
I personally prefer to see my whole inbox and
>
> I think that this is not useful at all.
>
Actually it would be quite useful.
Without such a header I am unable to *visually* distinguish between this and
other mailing lists or mail. Filters are useful for organizing, but I
personally prefer to see my whole inbox and to view and scan all inbo
ays the
> title of the mailing list
>
> e.g. “ [OpenMoko-Community]: “mailing list management””
I think that this is not useful at all. If you want to do some filtering
in your mail client, there are some headers in every mail from maillist
that would be useful:
Precedence: list
Now that the product is launched and you have (or maybe not) some
breathing space can we finally get this mailing list configured
properly.
At the front of each mailing should be a subject pre-fix that says the
title of the mailing list
e.g." [OpenMoko-Community]: "ma
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