Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] STATEMENT OF TANZANIA ISP ASSOCIATION (TISPA) - Regarding AFRINIC

2021-07-29 Thread Frank Habicht
You know what I think: On 29/07/2021 23:49, Paul Wollner wrote: > ... > I for one call that at this stage, AFRINIC should be seriously looking > into ways transition it’s service to other RIRs to mitigate the risk > that they have mentioned today to the press. Destroying it rather than fixing

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

2021-07-29 Thread Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss
> On Jul 29, 2021, at 00:02 , Ish Sookun via Community-Discuss > wrote: > > Hi Ronald, > > On Thursday, 29 July 2021 02:37:50 +04 Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: >> (And indeed, we here in the U.S. >> are routinely inundated with such calls on a daily basis, starting >> generally about two

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

2021-07-29 Thread Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss
> On Jul 28, 2021, at 22:37 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss > wrote: > > Hi Ronald, > > I disagree. At a minimum they were against the equivalent to the GDPR in > Mauritius, as they used information collected from whois, mail exploders, > etc., for a different purpose that the

[Community-Discuss] The Contract

2021-07-29 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message <17af40726bd.c1a468ac340728.5536230081885576...@africaoncloud.net>, Paul Wollner wrote: >I for one call that at this stage, AFRINIC should be seriously looking into >ways transition it's service to other RIRs to mitigate the risk that >they have mentioned today to the press. Press?

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

2021-07-29 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message <63009ed1-95ab-4863-8dd8-213bffead...@consulintel.es>, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >You don't think that any national law, in this case in Mauritius >(which have an equivalent to the GDPR), is on top of organization rules? No, I don't. You're confused Jordi. Do you really think

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-07-29 Thread Noah
On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 12:19 AM Paul Wollner < paul.woll...@africaoncloud.net> wrote: > The concerns expressed by TISPA, > TISPA's support of *solidarity* is with AFRINIC. AFRINIC is our concern. We shall stand with her. I call upon all ISP Associations across AFRICA to stand with AFRINIC.

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-07-29 Thread Paul Wollner
Apologies for the duplicate post, but the initial posting was too large.  The concerns expressed by TISPA, as well as other concerned parties and especially by AFRINIC's  own admission in the news outlet lexpress.mu, which is available at https://ibb.co/tmWCk0k, regarding the AFRINIC’s

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] STATEMENT OF TANZANIA ISP ASSOCIATION (TISPA) - Regarding AFRINIC

2021-07-29 Thread Noah
Paul, On Thu, 29 Jul 2021, 23:49 Paul Wollner, wrote: > Noah, > > TISPA does not in anyway express their support for AFRINIC’s litigation, > Don't get it twisted by inserting the word "litigation". > your message is highly misleading. > Nothing misleading Our support of *solidarity* is

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-07-29 Thread Arnaud AMELINA
Le jeu. 29 juil. 2021 à 21:16, Paul Wollner a écrit : > The concerns expressed by TISPA, as well as other concerned parties and > especially by AFRINIC's own admission in the news outlet lexpress.mu, > which is attached to this email, regarding the AFRINIC’s inability to keep > providing its

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] STATEMENT OF TANZANIA ISP ASSOCIATION (TISPA) - Regarding AFRINIC

2021-07-29 Thread Arnaud AMELINA
Ahahahahahahahah..Paul, Paul, Paul... Le jeu. 29 juil. 2021 à 20:52, Paul Wollner a écrit : > Noah, > > TISPA does not in anyway express their support for AFRINIC’s litigation, > your message is highly misleading. > > They are however merely expressing concerns for the continuity of AFRINIC

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] STATEMENT OF TANZANIA ISP ASSOCIATION (TISPA) - Regarding AFRINIC

2021-07-29 Thread Paul Wollner
Noah, TISPA does not in anyway express their support for AFRINIC’s litigation, your message is highly misleading. They are however merely expressing concerns for the continuity of AFRINIC service, and as AFRINIC said themselves and expressed in NRO website, the other four RIR's will

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

2021-07-29 Thread Noah
On Thu, 29 Jul 2021, 12:22 Ronald F. Guilmette, wrote: > In message < > caeqgtwzqmrdegew2v67hro+4idyfdm_n6wzxybbyjbm9z0x...@mail.gmail.com> > Noah wrote: > > >On Thu, 29 Jul 2021, 01:44 Ronald F. Guilmette, > wrote: > >> In my view, these allegations were never proven, and even if they > >>

Re: [Community-Discuss] Correction to my previous email

2021-07-29 Thread Noah
On Thu, 29 Jul 2021, 12:19 Erick Joshua Lagon, wrote: > However, what bothers me in his statement (in the video), is one: the > other means to acquire funds, what other means is the AFRINIC going to do? > Why do you care? I hope that AFRINIC will be transparent in this accord, for the sake of

Re: [Community-Discuss] Correction to my previous email

2021-07-29 Thread Noah
On Thu, 29 Jul 2021, 08:50 Ronald F. Guilmette, wrote: > Paul Hjul has posted to this mailing list a number of well-reasoned > and eloquently articulated arguments that are more than sensible, > and with which I agree wholeheartedly. The quotes below are not > among them. > > In message < >

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

2021-07-29 Thread Noah
On Thu, 29 Jul 2021, 05:48 Owen DeLong, wrote: > > I did not deny that a relationship exists. I pointed out that there is no >> evidence presented to indicate that it is anything more than >> customer/supplier. >> > > In the last board elections where Elkins defeated Paul Wolner, there were >

Re: [Community-Discuss] Correction to my previous email

2021-07-29 Thread Christian Orozco
Indeed. There seem to be lapses that could have been avoided if only the system is working well. I am not trying to police everyone here but in the previous replies, there are a few who uses sheer sarcasm to deliver their points. While sarcasm is not totally banned, I think it is not always a

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

2021-07-29 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss
You don't think that any national law, in this case in Mauritius (which have an equivalent to the GDPR), is on top of organization rules? Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 29/7/21 11:58, "Ronald F. Guilmette" escribió: In message <1e7823b3-005a-4813-9e46-76f61d457...@consulintel.es>,

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

2021-07-29 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message Matogoro Jabera wrote: >You said it correctly. It is time for solidarity. Africa needs to re-unite >again. YES!!! Just like back in... ah... back in... a... Sorry. What year was that again? Regards, rfg ___ Community-Discuss

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

2021-07-29 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message <1e7823b3-005a-4813-9e46-76f61d457...@consulintel.es>, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >The whois is a database to know registered resources and be able >to contact the responsible people for matters related to that. Show me where it says that. >Even if the whois "rules" don't

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

2021-07-29 Thread Matogoro Jabera
Ali Hussein, You said it correctly. It is time for solidarity. Africa needs to re-unite again. Africa unite 'Cause we're moving right out of Babylon And we're going to our Father's land Unite for the benefit (Africa unite) of your people! Unite for it's later (Africa unite) than you think!

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

2021-07-29 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message Noah wrote: >On Thu, 29 Jul 2021, 01:44 Ronald F. Guilmette, wrote: >> In my view, these allegations were never proven, and even if they >> were, so what? > >Association. > >Do ARIN members receive phone calls from Hongkong asking the resource >members to vote for a specific ARIC AC

Re: [Community-Discuss] Correction to my previous email

2021-07-29 Thread Erick Joshua Lagon
I will give Eddy the credit for retracting his mistakes. However, what bothers me in his statement (in the video), is one: the other means to acquire funds, what other means is the AFRINIC going to do? I hope that AFRINIC will be transparent in this accord, for the sake of the Community. Second,

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

2021-07-29 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss
Hi Ronald, Yes, no doubt the other fish is more important now ... but all this is also relevant for the case, and legal counsel may need to consider all that in front of the Courts ... The typical interpretation of the DPA is (from previous judgements): If your email about the vacation spot

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

2021-07-29 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message <2364449.J7VWoQ3GvX@coffee-bar>, Ish Sookun wrote: >On Thursday, 29 July 2021 02:37:50 +04 Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: >> (And indeed, we here in the U.S. >> are routinely inundated with such calls on a daily basis, starting >> generally about two months before each local or national

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

2021-07-29 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >I disagree. At a minimum they were against the equivalent to the GDPR >in Mauritius, as they used information collected from whois, mail >exploders, etc., for a different purpose that the one agreed. It may have escaped your attention Jordi, but I

Re: [Community-Discuss] Use of personal data from mailing list for election lobbying (Was: Update on legal case)

2021-07-29 Thread Ish Sookun via Community-Discuss
Hi Jordi, On Thursday, 29 July 2021 11:10:17 +04 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community- Discuss wrote: > But the question here is, in the EU, spam by SMS, phone, or *any means* (not > just email) is against GDPR and many other regulations. > > I'm unsure if the "transposition" of the GDPR in

Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

2021-07-29 Thread Frank Habicht
On 29/07/2021 05:06, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss wrote: >> On Jul 28, 2021, at 14:43 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss >> wrote: >> If I said "I'm going to setup a network connecting 8 million users in a, b >> and c African countries, please allocate 9 million addresses to me".

Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

2021-07-29 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message <63b2e98f-a135-4020-8f0f-cbf245f03...@delong.com>, Owen DeLong wrote: >> Of course, the original justification is *extremely relevant*. Was >>it done properly and in good faith? > >First: yes. It was proper and in good faith for a business model that >was very effective and useful at

Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

2021-07-29 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message , Owen DeLong wrote: >Cloud Innovation submitted correct and valid justifications under policy which >were reviewed not only by staff, but also by the AFRINIC board. The board >elected {to} have the addresses issued after deliberating the matter. Yes, as >is the case with any other

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

2021-07-29 Thread Noah
On Thu, 29 Jul 2021, 01:44 Ronald F. Guilmette, wrote: > In message is...@mail.gmail.com>, > Noah wrote: > > >In the last board elections where Elkins defeated Paul Wolner, there were > >multiple resource members who received phone calls from HongKong asking > >them to vote for Wolner. > > In

[Community-Discuss] Bridge Financing

2021-07-29 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message , Owen DeLong wrote: >So far, we have no indication that the stability fund has actually >agreed to support AFRINIC (requires unanimous consent of all 5 RIR >CEOs), nor do we have any confirmation that this is the alleged >alternative source of funding. Indeed, AFRINIC has been quite

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

2021-07-29 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss
Even more They accept their president to ask for the Capitol invasion and nothing happens ... interesting at least! But the question here is, in the EU, spam by SMS, phone, or *any means* (not just email) is against GDPR and many other regulations. I'm unsure if the "transposition" of

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

2021-07-29 Thread Ish Sookun via Community-Discuss
Hi Ronald, On Thursday, 29 July 2021 02:37:50 +04 Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > (And indeed, we here in the U.S. > are routinely inundated with such calls on a daily basis, starting > generally about two months before each local or national election.) Americans accept to be inundated with