Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

On Sat, 6 Feb 2021, 00:22 Sylvain BAYA, wrote: > Dear Community, > Hope you are doing well! > > Le ven. 5 févr. 2021 14:44, Owen DeLong a écrit : > > > > Dear Owen, > Thanks for your email, brother. > > > > > Originally, the space was used for some rather specialized connectivity > > services.

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

Hi Widjane, Responding below in-line … El 12/2/21 18:06, "Wijdane Goubi" escribió: Hello Jordi, So the thing is that, since all of the 5 RIRs have transfer policies (regardless whether they are intraRIR or interRIR), and since no one has ever applied space [Jordi] This

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

Hello Jordi, So the thing is that, since all of the 5 RIRs have transfer policies (regardless whether they are intraRIR or interRIR), and since no one has ever applied space for transfer in the history of RIR, then by the very definition of the transfer policy, the change of purpose is allowed.

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

In message , Wijdane Goubi wrote: >Whereas, at or around 08:29:50, Leslie from ARIN explains the scope of >their policy, they only audit in fraud cases and only deregister in case of >fraud. And typically, not even then!! References: https://seclists.org/nanog/2019/Aug/461

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

Hi Wijdane, To be honest, I could careless about the global consensus of how IPv4 address space is used and what Andrea Cima said about RIPE because AFRINIC is not RIPE. IANA allocated to AFRINIC and AFRINIC allocated to LIR's within its region based on need with a justied purpose. AFRINIC has

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

Hi Widjane, I agree with you in some of the points, but not in all them. Policies among the RIRs aren’t exactly the same. They tend to converge with the time, but not always are 100% the same. In fact, in some RIRs, right now, if you asked for resources and provided documents about what

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

Dear community, Technically speaking, if a change of the nature is not allowed (as claimed by some) this doesn’t make any technical sense at all as there are consensus among several RIRs to allow inter RIR transfer and also allows intra RIR transfers. The logic adopted that the change of nature

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

In my opinion, the right way to have this is: Bylaws, almost as they are now. They refer already to the resources, PDP and the RSA. RSA. Handles well the relation of any member with AFRINIC. However, this is only covering “full members” in the sense that they are getting any resources from

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

Hi Noah Thanks for your prompt reply. I will say the same goes for the bylaw, they are both lawyer-made documents which should not govern the usage of community resource. Or else lawyers can do whatever they want to, then what is the point of having a community and CPM? Using bylaw to

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

Hi Paul, Before we dwell into the RSA, please read the AFRINIC Bylaws and specifically article 3.4 sections (i) and (iii). The constitution is clear on what the objectives of AFRINIC are among others. The RSA and ratified policies regulate the said management of Internet number resources. Noah

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Hello Everyone, It is vital to note that the RSA is not the document to regulate the resource usage. If this is the case then, the entire bottom up policy will be obsolete! The RSA can easily be amended by AFRINIC which allows and permit an arbitrary form of changes being made neglecting the

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

On Fri, 5 Feb 2021, 14:56 AFRINIC Communication, wrote: > Dear Frank, > > AFRINIC has not approved any application for IP space for the purpose of > leasing despite having received such requests. > Has AFRINIC endeavoured to check if IPv4 address space that it allocated to its members for

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 4:47 PM Owen DeLong wrote: > Originally, the space was used for some rather specialized connectivity > services. Due to changes in the market and the legal environment, those > services became less lucrative and the organization pivoted. > > Hardly any organization that

[Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

Dear Community, Hope you are doing well! Le ven. 5 févr. 2021 14:44, Owen DeLong a écrit : > Dear Owen, Thanks for your email, brother. > > Originally, the space was used for some rather specialized connectivity > services. > :-) ...any evidence ? Good new ! we know, now, that no one

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

Hi, On 05/02/2021 16:43, Owen DeLong wrote: > Originally, the space was used for some rather specialized connectivity > services. Due to changes in the market and the legal environment, those > services became less lucrative and the organization pivoted.  > > Hardly any organization that has

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

> > AfriNIC staff: has any LIR applied for IP space for the purpose of > *leasing* and received IP address space? > > Thanks, > Frank > > __ > Question très importante, et espérons une réponse adéquat de la part du STAFF d'AFRINIC. Cordialement Very important question, hope

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

Owen??? On 05/02/2021 14:53, AFRINIC Communication wrote: > Dear Frank, > > AFRINIC has not approved any application for IP space for the > purpose of leasing despite having received such requests. > > Regards, > > Ashil > >> On 05/02/2021 03:56, Owen DeLong wrote: >>> Yes. It does not

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

Dear Frank, AFRINIC has not approved any application for IP space for the purpose of leasing despite having received such requests. Regards, Ashil > On 5 Feb 2021, at 09:07, Frank Habicht wrote: > > Hi Owen, > > On 05/02/2021 03:56, Owen DeLong wrote: >> >> >>> On Feb 2, 2021, at 4:29

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

Hi Owen, On 05/02/2021 03:56, Owen DeLong wrote: > > >> On Feb 2, 2021, at 4:29 AM, Noah > > wrote: >> FWIW, an LIR in Afrinic documentation means: “*Any Network Operator >> that provides Internet services to distinct end-users and end-sites.*” >> In the same context,

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

> On Feb 2, 2021, at 4:29 AM, Noah wrote: > > Owen, > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 8:48 PM Owen DeLong > wrote: >> What is more baffling is that its a lot of space and guess what, the members >> doesn't seem to have a known ASN. > > Please point me to the section of

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

> On Feb 4, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Noah wrote: > > Owen, > > On Mon, 11 Jan 2021, 20:48 Owen DeLong, > wrote: > > If you believe that Larus has committed number resource fraud, then present > your evidence to AfriNIC and let them investigate. > > The evidences continue

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

Owen, On Mon, 11 Jan 2021, 20:48 Owen DeLong, wrote: > > If you believe that Larus has committed number resource fraud, then > present your evidence to AfriNIC and let them investigate. > The evidences continue to be shown and discussed on this list and others since 2014. I assume AFRINIC and

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

Owen, On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 8:48 PM Owen DeLong wrote: > What is more baffling is that its a lot of space and guess what, the > members doesn't seem to have a known ASN. > > > Please point me to the section of the CPM which requires a member holding > IPv4 number resources to have an ASN. >

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

Normally, I wouldn’t do this as I consider it impolite to post someone’s private message without their consent. However, I consider Mr. Cohen’s complaint that he’s unable to say this publicly to be his tacit approval to my posting it. Below please find an email I received from Mr. Cohen and my

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

Could the list administrators please take appropriate action regarding this unsolicited commercial advertisement which I believe violates the list ToU/CoC? Much appreciated. Owen > On Jan 4, 2021, at 6:24 AM, Ron via Community-Discuss > wrote: > > Request to all AFRINIC members whose

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

> There are many reasons to be "conservative" about the world's dwindling > supply of IPv4 addresses. Like petrochemicals extracted from the earth, > the stuff may flow freely and abundantly now, even to the point where > we all feel free to squander what remains, but someday our profligate >

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

> Since we dont have purview if these litigations, we can only imagine the > amount of fraud that has been going on under the carpet. > > By the way, Cohen was wonderibg why you dont also talk about some other > AFRINIC net blocks that my good friend Owen once claimed that there is > nothing

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

> On Oct 26, 2020, at 12:30 , Elad Cohen wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > AfriNIC are trying to impose all of their adopted policies on any legacy > resource and on any legacy resource holder, even ones that didn't sign any > RSA. In the legal case that I initiated. This is appropriate. The

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

I would just offer community consultation.. If you think AFRINIC is misbehaving, prove the legitimacy of your rights to use the delegated ressources or your control over the legacy resources and the community will help address your case. It should be as simple as that. Regards !!! *Happy and

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

Request to all AFRINIC members whose resources are confiscated by AFRINIC and to those who are having legal issues with AFRINIC. Our experienced legal team can help you recover all your resources. Litigation is our expertise and we give 100% guarantee on our cases. No recovery of resources = NO

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Elad you are played by Ronald aka Steve Linford. Afrinic community is wisely social engineered and is under heavy influence of Spamhaus.org You need to keep your cool while dealing with Ronald aka Steve Linford. Afrinic has no clue what is going on its mailing lists. All the post of Ronald and

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

In message Noah wrote: >Here is the deal and I beg to be corrected by folks to that end. > >>{... stuff about AFRINIC legal ownership snipped...} I am not qualified to comment on any of this, as I have not read the relevant documents, nor am I an attorney. I can only repeat what I already

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 3:26 PM Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > In message aw0wv8q_z_yypfb...@mail.gmail.com> > Noah wrote: > > >> Mr. Cohen has declared war on AFRINIC. He is currently pursuing that > war, > >> with no signs of retreating or giving up. > > > >AFRINIC is an institution and not

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

In message Noah wrote: >> Mr. Cohen has declared war on AFRINIC. He is currently pursuing that war, >> with no signs of retreating or giving up. > >AFRINIC is an institution and not someone's property even though some of >these folks think AFRINIC should just be a bookkeeper hence their

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 03:49 Ronald F. Guilmette, wrote: > In message <05751329-1002-4a8c-9cb0-318882cb9...@me.com>, > Noah, wrote: > > >Let us have a civilized discourse for we are a polite community. > >That is all am saying. > > Where were you during the Franco-Prussian War of 1870? > You

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

In message <05751329-1002-4a8c-9cb0-318882cb9...@me.com>, Noah, wrote: >Let us have a civilized discourse for we are a polite community. >That is all am saying. Where were you during the Franco-Prussian War of 1870? They could have used this bit of sage wisdom right around that time! :-)

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

True They keep it civil or COC be evoked straight up regards Barry > On 30 Oct 2020, at 21:15, Tom Ochang wrote: > >  > Noah, you have spoken well. > >> On Fri, 30 Oct 2020, 19:01 Noah, wrote: >> Elad >> >> The Code of Conduct is there to stop such defamation. Since its been >>

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

Noah, you have spoken well. On Fri, 30 Oct 2020, 19:01 Noah, wrote: > Elad > > The Code of Conduct is there to stop such defamation. Since its been > invoked, its a call to both you and Roland to calm down. > > The reasons I am calling your back and forth exchange crap is because am > on other

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

Noah, The Code of Conduct didn't apply to me for almost a year, even AfriNIC CEO himself defamed me here in this mailing list according to my link with his quote. While in the legal case, AfriNIC CEO didn't show anything to back up his defamation towards me, on the contrary - in the legal

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

Elad The Code of Conduct is there to stop such defamation. Since its been invoked, its a call to both you and Roland to calm down. The reasons I am calling your back and forth exchange crap is because am on other lists where I have seen you both go on each other just like you were attempting to

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

Noah, All I'm doing is to respond to an organized defamation campaign against me. I take it as an offence when you reference my response as "crap" after my blood was spilled here in community-discuss mailing list for almost a year, without you raising your voice when my blood was spilled here

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Ali This two have been going on each other for a while now and for those on other lists like NANOG etc we have read enough of their crap esp when they go personal and its just that we didnt expect to see the same crap on the AFRINIC lists. So its good that AFRINIC invoked the CoC which can come

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

Ali, AfriNIC, all All I did was to respond to Ronald Guilmette after he defamed me for very very long time in that same mailing list, without any request for him to stop by anyone. I'm asking for AfriNIC Code of Conduct to apply also to the messages of AfriNIC CEO that lied to the community

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

Great to see Afrinic finally taking action to curb this behavior. Ali Hussein Digital Transformation +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

Dear Mr Cohen, AFRINIC in its role to enforce the code of conduct on the community mailing list is issuing you your first written warning for the offensive behavior displayed against another member of the community list, namely Mr. Ronlad F. Guilmette on the thread titled “Notice to all the

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

"I have other things to attend to." - like cleaning pores? From: Ronald F. Guilmette Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 3:03 PM To: community-discuss@afrinic.net Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC In message

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

In message <995eca50-e1da-49ea-acc0-54eda4091...@afrinic.net>, AFRINIC Communication wrote: >The Regional Internet Registry (RIR) system is a successful model of >industry self-regulation... I would be happy to debate the truth or falsehood of that proposition with you at some appropriate

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

[Version en français au bas] Dear All, The Regional Internet Registry (RIR) system is a successful model of industry self-regulation that is open to all interested parties. The process for developing Internet Number Resource related policies utilises open, public meetings and mailing lists.

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

[Version en français au bas] Dear All, The Regional Internet Registry (RIR) system is a successful model of industry self-regulation that is open to all interested parties. The process for developing Internet Number Resource related policies utilises open, public meetings and mailing lists.

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

Hello Everyone, I already provided a response to Coconut Guilmette long time ago in RIPE (apologize in front of everyone for name calling, but he started it): https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/2020-April/005662.html Let me comment on anything that Ron wrote: Elad

Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

Elad Cohen is the Donald Trump of the Middle East. He is a pathological liar, a con man, and a thief. Much evidence exists to support this viewpoint, and somewhat less than all of that evidence has yet been seen by the public generally, and/or by the AFRINIC community specifically. (I am

[Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC

Hello Everyone, AfriNIC are trying to impose all of their adopted policies on any legacy resource and on any legacy resource holder, even ones that didn't sign any RSA. In the legal case that I initiated. AfriNIC, including the CEO of AfriNIC are hiding it from the community. AFRINIC CEO is