Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

> On Aug 3, 2021, at 23:33 , Ish Sookun wrote: > > Owen, as per Patrice's reply, you did not say that Cloud Innovation Ltd is > your client. You said it is one of your company's client. Your company name > and affiliation is not mentioned in the article. Technically, Cloud Innovation is one

[Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

Dear AfriNIC's Community, Please see my comment below, inline... Le mer. 4 août 2021 à 3:10 AM, Ronald F. Guilmette a écrit : > In message <354f6704-0224-4525-b26b-d9b259fb2...@delong.com>, > Owen DeLong wrote: > > >> Show me where AFRINIC took *any* action to in any way remove any of its >

Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

In message , Owen DeLong wrote: >> Stop lying and stop putting words into the mouth of the judge. The court >> has rendered -no- opinion on the "likely judgment in the case". > >Oh, really? My understanding is that such an asset seizure is generally only >granted if there is reasonable

Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

gt; > not mentioned in the first email I got. In a reply, I ask him which > > > relation he has with CI. I hope it helps. > > > > > > Regards > > > Patrice Donzelot > > > patr...@defimedia.info <mailto:patr...@defimedia.info> > > > (+230)57

Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

> On Aug 3, 2021, at 19:10 , Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > In message <354f6704-0224-4525-b26b-d9b259fb2...@delong.com>, > Owen DeLong wrote: > >>> Show me where AFRINIC took *any* action to in any way remove any of its >>> bank assets or to place any of them in any place outside of the

Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

; Regards >> > Patrice Donzelot >> > patr...@defimedia.info >> > (+230)57864142 / (+230)2070666 >> > >> > >> > From: Ish Sookun >> > Sent: Tuesday, 3 August 2021, 11:58 >> > To: Owen DeLong &g

Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

; > > > Regards > > Patrice Donzelot > > patr...@defimedia.info <mailto:patr...@defimedia.info> > > (+230)57864142 / (+230)2070666 > > > > > > From: Ish Sookun > <mailto:ish.soo...@lasentinelle.mu>> >

Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

In message <354f6704-0224-4525-b26b-d9b259fb2...@delong.com>, Owen DeLong wrote: >> Show me where AFRINIC took *any* action to in any way remove any of its >> bank assets or to place any of them in any place outside of the jurisdiction >> of, or beyond the control of the court. > >AFRINIC has

Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

> On Aug 3, 2021, at 02:53 , Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > In message > > Paul Hjul wrote: > >>> You and I both know that no such judicial order would ever have been >>> issued by any U.S. court, >> >> >> take it you have not read *United States ex rel. Rahman v. Oncology >> Assocs.*,

Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

In message Christian Orozco wrote: >Please refrain from this corporate coup narrative. There was a *violation >*from AFRINIC. A violation OF WHAT? I keep asking this question but nobody sems to have an answer. There is only one contract between Cloud Innovation and AFRINIC, and that is the

Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

Please refrain from this corporate coup narrative. There was a *violation *from AFRINIC. And when such a thing happens, consequences should be faced. It is as simple as that. Do note that the scale of this problem is no similar to a quarrel between two neighbors. It involves large

Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

From: Ish Sookun Sent: Tuesday, 3 August 2021, 11:58 To: Owen DeLong Cc: Patrice Donzelot; Community Discuss Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments Hi Patrice, I am looping you in a discussion thread on the AFRINIC mailing list [1

Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

; > Regards > > Patrice Donzelot > > patr...@defimedia.info > > (+230)57864142 / (+230)2070666 > > > > > > From: Ish Sookun > > Sent: Tuesday, 3 August 2021, 11:58 > > To: Owen DeLong > > Cc: Patrice D

Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

8 > To: Owen DeLong > Cc: Patrice Donzelot; Community Discuss > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent > AFRINIC developments > > Hi Patrice, > > I am looping you in a discussion thread on the AFRINIC mailing list [1] > which has a public archiv

Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

In message Paul Hjul wrote: >> You and I both know that no such judicial order would ever have been >> issued by any U.S. court, > > > take it you have not read *United States ex rel. Rahman v. Oncology >Assocs.*, 198 F.3d 489 (4th Cir. 1999) C'mon Paul. Get serious. The facts of that case

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On Tue, 3 Aug 2021, 10:23 Ronald F. Guilmette, wrote: > In message , > Owen DeLong wrote: > > > The international press has so far taken little notice of the absurdities > going on here. This will likely not remain the case for much longer. > Lunacy at this level makes for good copy. Larry

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Only because the remark responded to is a repetition of something profoundly wrong that keeps getting repeated > You and I both know that no such judicial order would ever have been > issued by any U.S. court, take it you have not read *United States ex rel. Rahman v. Oncology Assocs.*, 198

Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

Hi Patrice, I am looping you in a discussion thread on the AFRINIC mailing list [1] which has a public archive. As per Owen Delong's below statement, it seems that he didn't conceal that he is a consultant for Cloud Innovation Ltd and that you « perhaps » chose not to print that information

Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

In message , Owen DeLong wrote: >Under such a circumstance, with so many customers and the company's >reputation on the >line, the decision was made (well above my pay grade) that it was >necessary to pursue >legal remedies to protect the company from AFRINIC's >unreasonable actions. I see.

Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

The fact that Patrice chose not to print it when he paraphrased my remarks does not mean that I did not disclose it to him. You are mistaken in believing that I concealed it or did not tell him. Perhaps you should ask him yourself why he did not disclose that CI is one of my consulting clients,

Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

Hi Owen, On Tuesday, 3 August 2021 07:38:35 +04 Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss wrote: > Under such a circumstance, with so many customers and the company’s > reputation on the line, the decision was made (well above my pay grade) > that it was necessary to pursue legal remedies to protect the

Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

> On Aug 1, 2021, at 17:19 , Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > In message > > Christian Orozco wrote: > >> Owen said, the CORRECTION of behavior is what's being sought. > > I also have many outstanding quarrels with AFRINIC and I also fervently > desire to see the organization's behavior be

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Hello Ronald, I totally agree with you. One company, one man suffocating the life and bloodline of our way of life as we know it. Internet number resources are what we pride our today in. It’s survival, it’s everything. Some company can’t disrupt that course really. Like you clearly said, at

Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

In message Christian Orozco wrote: >Owen said, the CORRECTION of behavior is what's being sought. I also have many outstanding quarrels with AFRINIC and I also fervently desire to see the organization's behavior be corrected. But I do not pursue these goals either at the point of a gun, or

Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

> On Jul 31, 2021, at 23:10 , Noah wrote: > > > On Sat, 31 Jul 2021, 21:52 Owen DeLong, > wrote: > > Had AFRINIC stuck to its governing documents as written, rather than choosing > to invent restrictions which are not codified therein > > I refer you to the Resource

Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

> > On Friday, 30 July 2021 22:49:36 +04 Sami Salih wrote: >> >> Thanks Noah this is really important, we need to know who is >> supporting our >> >> organization in this hard time. >> >> >> >> Get Outlook for >> >> Android<http

Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

On Sat, 31 Jul 2021, 21:52 Owen DeLong, wrote: > > Had AFRINIC stuck to its governing documents as written, rather than > choosing > to invent restrictions which are not codified therein I refer you to the Resource Services Agreement Section 4(c)(i) whose wordings are totally clear and

Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

>> Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> > >> > >> ____ > >> From: Noah > >> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 2:35:38 PM > >> To: AfriNIC Discuss ; General Discussions > of > >> AFRINIC Subject: [Community-Di

Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

>> Get Outlook for >> Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> >> >> >> From: Noah >> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 2:35:38 PM >> To: AfriNIC Discuss ; General Discussions of >> AFRINIC Subject: [Community-Discuss] South >> Africa ISPA Statement on Recen

Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

ns of > AFRINIC Subject: [Community-Discuss] South > Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments > > Dear Members and the wider AFRICAN Community. > > I note that the ISP Association of South Africa has made a public statement > as well following TISPA'S public

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FRINIC Subject: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments Dear Members and the wider AFRICAN Community. I note that the ISP Association of South Africa has made a public statement as well following TISPA'S public statement on recent AFRINIC developments. I t

[Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

Dear Members and the wider AFRICAN Community. I note that the ISP Association of South Africa has made a public statement as well following TISPA'S public statement on recent AFRINIC developments. I thought it was important to share the same with the rest of you in case you missed this important