Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

2017-06-26 Thread Badru Ntege
Mike What you are suggesting is a result of what happens in an organization when trust is erroded. As much as I think this might work I do not beleive it's what we want. I would like the return of the spirit within Afrinic was born. An error where we trusted each other and the board had

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

2017-06-24 Thread Badru Ntege
Chevalier I like the way you have responded to this. If only someone was listening or reading from the other side Role of chair and CEO are more than title. They are roles with unique responsibilities. Regards Sent from my iPhone On 24 Jun 2017, at 07:12, Chevalier du Borg

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

2017-06-23 Thread Chevalier du Borg
2017-06-16 19:25 GMT+04:00 Sunday Folayan : > > 1. Should Board and staff respond to all issues, and are they obliged to > do so? > if issue concern resources (which AFRINIC hold and manage on behalf of this community). yes we expect reponse, even if is to point to correct

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

2017-06-18 Thread Badru Ntege
Janvier Please stop sowing the seed of division. Asking questions in an open and transparent community is perfectly ok. Whether ASO or board one is always still a stakeholder. Regards Sent from my iPhone On 18 Jun 2017, at 16:05, Janvier NGNOULAYE

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

2017-06-18 Thread Noah
On 18 Jun 2017 10:10 p.m., "Janvier NGNOULAYE" wrote: I just wanted to remind him that he has a double hat now, he can ask some questions Inbox to the Chair or the CEO to build his knowledge base as a new comer into the leaders team. Janvier, New comer to what ? How can

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

2017-06-18 Thread Janvier NGNOULAYE
Dear Omo, You must note that I am silent on the discussion in progress. I am very sorry that you read my view in the wrong way here. I am reproaching Noah's method and not the problem that he has raised though relevant. I just wanted to remind him that he has a double hat now, he can ask some

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

2017-06-18 Thread Noah
On 18 Jun 2017 4:02 p.m., "Janvier NGNOULAYE" wrote: Dear Noah, Just to advice you to come down, for some requests you can send an Inbox mail to CEO or Chair not to the Community list. Janvier You are clearly misinformed. Privacy ...privacy.privacy...privacy

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

2017-06-18 Thread abel ELITCHA
Dear Alan, Thank you for your replies. The community is interested and should know who has right to use INRs and whose rights have ended. We are not interested in the reasons of termination of these rights. Ability to publicly track history of right to use of INRs is very important. We will

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

2017-06-18 Thread Alan Barrett
> On 18 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Noah wrote: > So while you are seeking legal advice on your two years old decision, can you > please respond to the other 3 questions below? > > 1. How many members have been closed in 2015,2016 and 2017? > > 2. How much ressources have been

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

2017-06-18 Thread Noah
On 18 Jun 2017 11:22 a.m., "Alan Barrett" wrote: > On 18 Jun 2017, at 11:56, Marcus K. G. Adomey wrote: > > Hi Alan, > > Excuse me, the community is there to make a fuss about issues of transparency and accountability. Yes, you are. And in

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

2017-06-18 Thread Sunday Folayan
t; > -- > *From:* Alan Barrett <alan.barr...@afrinic.net> > *Sent:* Sunday, June 18, 2017 6:22:16 AM > *To:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements > 2016 > > > >

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016 (off-topic)

2017-06-18 Thread sm+afrinic
Hi Ali, At 22:39 16-06-2017, Ali Hussein wrote: If the above is correct then basically what McTim is suggesting is akin to saying you can only use roads or contribute to governance issues if you pay your taxes? :-) I read the message [1] sent by McTim and what I understood from it is

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

2017-06-18 Thread Marcus K. G. Adomey
Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> From: Sunday Folayan <sfola...@skannet.com> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 6:57:37 PM To: Boubakar Barry; Alan Barrett Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Sta

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

2017-06-17 Thread Sunday Folayan
Gentlemen, On 17/06/2017 16:00, Boubakar Barry wrote: On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Alan Barrett > wrote: > On 17 Jun 2017, at 18:07, Noah > wrote: > Let me ask this differently

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

2017-06-17 Thread Boubakar Barry
On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Alan Barrett wrote: > > > On 17 Jun 2017, at 18:07, Noah wrote: > > Let me ask this differently perhaps I will get a clear answer. > > > > Ref: Defaulted members: how much recovered space from 2015, 2016 and > 2017 and

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

2017-06-17 Thread Alan Barrett
> On 17 Jun 2017, at 18:07, Noah wrote: > Let me ask this differently perhaps I will get a clear answer. > > Ref: Defaulted members: how much recovered space from 2015, 2016 and 2017 > and where are these recovered ressoutces? I’ll find out. I don’t see a privacy concern in

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

2017-06-17 Thread Noah
On 17 Jun 2017 3:50 p.m., "Alan Barrett" wrote: > On 15 Jun 2017, at 14:36, Noah wrote: >> Yes, resources from members who go out of business are recovered. The recovered resources are quarantined for two years, during which time they are marked as

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

2017-06-17 Thread Alan Barrett
> On 15 Jun 2017, at 14:36, Noah wrote: >> Yes, resources from members who go out of business are recovered. The >> recovered resources are quarantined for two years, during which time they >> are marked as RESERVED in the WHOIS database. After the ene of he >> quarantine

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

2017-06-17 Thread Noah
On 16 Jun 2017 10:55 p.m., "McTim" wrote: Hi Badru, To be absolutely pedantic, the dues paying Members elect the Board, not the "Community", where the Community = fee payers+ interested parties. Hi McTim, AFRINIC is Not-for-profit organisation that serves the

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

2017-06-16 Thread Ali Hussein
All Correct me if I'm correct - AFRINIC would fall under what we call critical national/continent assets/infrastructure right? If the above is correct then basically what McTim is suggesting is akin to saying you can only use roads or contribute to governance issues if you pay your taxes?

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

2017-06-16 Thread Badru Ntege
Hi McTim :-) indeed you are being pedantic. However the point is the same whether we are discussing 10 members or 100. A level of response is expected from those we elect to oversee our organisation as members which we also hold in trust for the wider community. > On 16 Jun 2017, at 11:13

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

2017-06-16 Thread McTim
Hi Badru, To be absolutely pedantic, the dues paying Members elect the Board, not the "Community", where the Community = fee payers+ interested parties. For the purpose of policy making, we are all equal. For the purpose of asking questions regarding financial matters, I believe the fee paying

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

2017-06-16 Thread Noah
On 16 Jun 2017 7:07 p.m., "Badru Ntege" wrote: Chair Why my concern ?? I think over the last few months many comments have been ignored or answered after prompt from the sender. In fact when the financial statement went public for both membership/community

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

2017-06-16 Thread Badru Ntege
Chair With all due respect the list of questions in a way underpin my worry. In a bottom up environment we are all equal and the board and organization serve the community. For clarity the community elects the board, the then board hires the CEO who then hires the staff so community

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

2017-06-16 Thread Sunday Folayan
Hi Badru, Kindly explain or clarify the gap you have observed, so we can correct this. I believe to the best of my ability that as chair and on behalf of the Board, I have engaged on matters directed at us, even when they clearly border on operational issues. It would also be helpful if you

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

2017-06-16 Thread Marcus K. G. Adomey
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016 + 1 Marcus Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> From: Badru Ntege <badru.nt...@nftconsult.com> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 11

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

2017-06-16 Thread Marcus K. G. Adomey
+ 1 Marcus Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> From: Badru Ntege <badru.nt...@nftconsult.com> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 11:29:31 AM To: Noah; Alan Barrett Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annu

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

2017-06-16 Thread Badru Ntege
Chair A response from any of the responsible persons might be of value. I’m concerned that responses coming back to issues raised by community are not being given the due attention, with some glaring omissions which makes the members worry if we have all hands on deck. Would it be

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

2017-06-14 Thread Alan Barrett
On 14 Jun 2017, at 16:24, Alan Barrett wrote: > Yes, resources from members who go out of business are recovered. The > recovered resources are quarantined for two years, during which time they are > marked as RESERVED in the WHOIS database. After the ene of he