Re: Internet mapping server and geographic projects at the ASF

2005-12-25 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi

Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:

You might want to take a look at what we (my group at MIT) did the 
international semantic web conference:


 http://simile.mit.edu/conferences/iswc2005/


Sorry, this was meant to be

 http://simile.mit.edu/conference/iswc2005/

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Internet mapping server and geographic projects at the ASF

2005-12-24 Thread Philip Mark Donaghy
Inspired by the ApacheCon and a discussion during the closing
talks on maintaining a virtual map of the world using devices carried
by humans, I wish to propose a project at Apache that does that and more.
I would like to seek out interested people who would like to work on
mapping software at the ASF.




The projects that interest me are,



1. A map server that shows the location of people at the Apache
conference. This isfor people who wish to
remain accessible to others. This idea bothers some people. But as with any ASF project security and privacy are very important.




2. I wrote a portlet application for Jetspeed 2 which uses the
MapServer project. This could be separated out as a generic portlet map
server.


3. I would like to do a community driven social experiment as a way of gathering global data.




4. A generic Java map serverproject. I would like to build some better tools for authoring and publishing online maps.

5. Torsten Curdt spoke to me about his ideas of blogging by geographic
location. Essentially all blogs are tagged with a location based on IP
address.



6. I discussed a mapping project with Chris Schaefer. There is some
live data being published by the california highway authority about
traffic. It is text and html and lacks a mapping server so it is rather
difficult to visualize the information.

7. Google is obviously leading the way in mapping technology. I would
like to see an apache project that provides similar quality services. I
am learning where my web traffic comes from using Google analytics. But
they don't provide interactive maps.

Please contact me if anyone is interested. Obviously the incubator is
where this project will start but building the community is the first
step. Happy holidays everyone!
Sincerely,
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Re: Internet mapping server and geographic projects at the ASF

2005-12-24 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi

Philip Mark Donaghy wrote:
Inspired by the ApacheCon and a discussion during the closing talks on 
maintaining a virtual map of the world using devices carried by humans, 
I wish to propose a project at Apache that does that and more. I would 
like to seek out interested people who would like to work on mapping 
software at the ASF.


The projects that interest me are,

1. A map server that shows the location of people at the Apache 
conference. This is for people who wish to remain accessible to others. 
This idea bothers some people. But as with any ASF project security and 
privacy are very important.


2. I wrote a portlet application for Jetspeed 2 which uses the MapServer 
project. This could be separated out as a generic portlet map server.


3. I would like to do a community driven social experiment as a way of 
gathering global data.


4. A generic Java map server project. I would like to build some better 
tools for authoring and publishing online maps.


5. Torsten Curdt spoke to me about his ideas of blogging by geographic 
location. Essentially all blogs are tagged with a location based on IP 
address.


6. I discussed a mapping project with Chris Schaefer. There is some live 
data being published by the california highway authority about traffic. 
It is text and html and lacks a mapping server so it is rather difficult 
to visualize the information.


7. Google is obviously leading the way in mapping technology. I would 
like to see an apache project that provides similar quality services. I 
am learning where my web traffic comes from using Google analytics. But 
they don't provide interactive maps.


Please contact me if anyone is interested. Obviously the incubator is 
where this project will start but building the community is the first 
step. Happy holidays everyone!


You might want to take a look at what we (my group at MIT) did the 
international semantic web conference:


 http://simile.mit.edu/conferences/iswc2005/

and note: we already have scripts that transform some of the ASF data 
into RDF already.


As for an 'apache mapping' project, I think you *seriously* 
underestimate the amount of resources required to run such a service.


Landsat 7 data is available as public domain, for a really nice little 
program that uses you can check out WW2D


 http://ww2d.csoft.net/index.php?title=Introduction

which is a NASA WorldWind java+opengl clone (and amazingly fast! at 
least on my mac).


There are two tile servers available to the public: one is run my 
Microsoft (part of terraserver, *not* virtualearth), one is run by NASA 
(as part of the infrastructure that powers WorldWind).


Landsat 7 has a resolution of 15m per pixel, while GoogleMaps is using 
images from QuickBird (operated by DigitalGlobe) which has 0.6m per 
pixel (but it's clearly not public domain ;-)


I would personally very much like apache to host the software that 
clones the javascript part of google maps in an open source way, but 
running the tile server is going to require massive amount of technical 
infrastructure.


A much better idea is to partner with NASA and Coral

 http://coralcdn.org/

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Re: Internet mapping server and geographic projects at the ASF

2005-12-24 Thread Colm MacCarthaigh
On Sat, Dec 24, 2005 at 11:33:24AM -0800, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
 and note: we already have scripts that transform some of the ASF data 
 into RDF already.
 
 As for an 'apache mapping' project, I think you *seriously* 
 underestimate the amount of resources required to run such a service.

+1!

 There are two tile servers available to the public: one is run my 
 Microsoft (part of terraserver, *not* virtualearth), one is run by NASA 
 (as part of the infrastructure that powers WorldWind).

As it happens, I run the server than handles an awful lot (I'm not sure
what proportion) of the NASA imagery and have many many terabytes of it,
in many many millions of files. So if anyone wants good access to this
material, it's not entirely outside the bounds of possibility, we could
make it happen.

 I would personally very much like apache to host the software that 
 clones the javascript part of google maps in an open source way, but 
 running the tile server is going to require massive amount of technical 
 infrastructure.
 
 A much better idea is to partner with NASA and Coral
 
  http://coralcdn.org/

I don't think Coral is quite up to it, just yet, but the network of
mirrors might be. That's the approach that WorldWind is using already.
The sizes of the datasets are somewhat onerous though, and a very large
proportion of the work is non-software, which kind of calls into
question whether a Software Foundation is the right place to do such
a thing. 

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Re: Internet mapping server and geographic projects at the ASF

2005-12-24 Thread Philip Mark Donaghy
On 12/24/05, Colm MacCarthaigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sat, Dec 24, 2005 at 11:33:24AM -0800, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
  and note: we already have scripts that transform some of the ASF data
  into RDF already.
 
  As for an 'apache mapping' project, I think you *seriously*
  underestimate the amount of resources required to run such a service.


I realize that the putting this sort of a thing in production would be
a tremendous effort. We can build the infrastructure software and let
others try to deploy it, which is more of a long term goal. There are
many oss projects out there that have mapping software ready to
distribute under an Apache license. Most notably the MapServer project
which is a simplified BSD license. And if the GPL 3 becomes compatible
with the Apache there is much more out there. So this would be more of
an integration project with Apache filling in the gaps and producing a
data storage solution with authoring clients, mobile clients that
connect to GPS and cell phone devices. I would compare this project
with Geronimo, which is roughly 50 percent external projects.
MapTools.org is doing a javascript api like googles. Check out ka-map
demo.

 +1!

  There are two tile servers available to the public: one is run my
  Microsoft (part of terraserver, *not* virtualearth), one is run by NASA
  (as part of the infrastructure that powers WorldWind).

 As it happens, I run the server than handles an awful lot (I'm not sure
 what proportion) of the NASA imagery and have many many terabytes of it,
 in many many millions of files. So if anyone wants good access to this
 material, it's not entirely outside the bounds of possibility, we could
 make it happen.

Super.


  I would personally very much like apache to host the software that
  clones the javascript part of google maps in an open source way, but
  running the tile server is going to require massive amount of technical
  infrastructure.
 
  A much better idea is to partner with NASA and Coral
 
   http://coralcdn.org/

 I don't think Coral is quite up to it, just yet, but the network of
 mirrors might be. That's the approach that WorldWind is using already.
 The sizes of the datasets are somewhat onerous though, and a very large
 proportion of the work is non-software, which kind of calls into
 question whether a Software Foundation is the right place to do such
 a thing.

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