Re: Any23 Community Discussion
I would also be happy to sit on the PMC and help with release votes. On 13 May 2013 19:22, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Lewis, I was the original Champion of Any23, but didn't include myself in the resolution to create the TLP for hope that the community was in a good shape and due to my limitation of cycles. I care about Any23 though and am happy it is here, but not happy to hear that it's having issues. I will request to be added back to the PMC now, and see if I can lend some cycles towards helping out. Cheers, Chris ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ -Original Message- From: Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com Reply-To: community@apache.org community@apache.org Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 5:05 AM To: community@apache.org community@apache.org Subject: Re: Any23 Community Discussion Building a community for a small project is indeed hard work. Are there any other projects in the ASF that benefit from your existence? That is are there any projects that depend on your code? If there is then you might consider approaching those project communities and indicating that you are having problems getting releases out. Invite people from that PMC to join your own PMC so that they can do IP reviews on our releases and continue to use the code. If there are no direct dependencies are there any projects in a related space? You might find people willing to help out with IP reviews. As Luciano says having regular releases is important to building community. Therefore I suggest your first point of focus should be on ensuring you have people willing and able to help you get releases out. After that you can start focussing on attracting new contributors. Ross On 13 May 2013 15:56, Luciano Resende luckbr1...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Lewis John Mcgibbney lewis.mcgibb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Recently over at Apache Any23 we've been working towards a release, however we discovered that apart from around 3 or so project committers there is an apparent lack of enthusiasm from within the community to VOTE and for us to obtain quorum to release/make decisions. 3 active PMC votes is what you need to get a release out. For clarity I've rolled back the release candidate and wanted to try and iron out some community issues, however I wanted some opinions from you guys before I can form my own opinion of where I want to see the project going. These discussions should really happen on the project dev list, and should be a community decision... For me the attic is the last resort. As this week has progressed, and people have started to chime in on the discussion over on dev@any23, I think that we will most likely not go to the attic. I am personally now recognizing that we have a small number of community members who enjoy developing the software as it works, and in all honesty I am fine with that. I actually have the same user and dev requirements. Can anyone please provide me with examples/experiences of projects which have struggled to stay afloat, but have continued to push releases? I do not have experience of this and I am very keen to learn. Wink is a small community, where some members really come to play to help get releases out. Having said that, we have a good number of users that benefit from releasing often. Thank you very much for reading. Lewis -- Lewis -- Luciano Resende http://people.apache.org/~lresende http://twitter.com/lresende1975 http://lresende.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org -- NS
Re: Any23 Community Discussion
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Lewis John Mcgibbney lewis.mcgibb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Recently over at Apache Any23 we've been working towards a release, however we discovered that apart from around 3 or so project committers there is an apparent lack of enthusiasm from within the community to VOTE and for us to obtain quorum to release/make decisions. 3 active PMC votes is what you need to get a release out. For clarity I've rolled back the release candidate and wanted to try and iron out some community issues, however I wanted some opinions from you guys before I can form my own opinion of where I want to see the project going. These discussions should really happen on the project dev list, and should be a community decision... For me the attic is the last resort. As this week has progressed, and people have started to chime in on the discussion over on dev@any23, I think that we will most likely not go to the attic. I am personally now recognizing that we have a small number of community members who enjoy developing the software as it works, and in all honesty I am fine with that. I actually have the same user and dev requirements. Can anyone please provide me with examples/experiences of projects which have struggled to stay afloat, but have continued to push releases? I do not have experience of this and I am very keen to learn. Wink is a small community, where some members really come to play to help get releases out. Having said that, we have a good number of users that benefit from releasing often. Thank you very much for reading. Lewis -- Lewis -- Luciano Resende http://people.apache.org/~lresende http://twitter.com/lresende1975 http://lresende.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Any23 Community Discussion
Building a community for a small project is indeed hard work. Are there any other projects in the ASF that benefit from your existence? That is are there any projects that depend on your code? If there is then you might consider approaching those project communities and indicating that you are having problems getting releases out. Invite people from that PMC to join your own PMC so that they can do IP reviews on our releases and continue to use the code. If there are no direct dependencies are there any projects in a related space? You might find people willing to help out with IP reviews. As Luciano says having regular releases is important to building community. Therefore I suggest your first point of focus should be on ensuring you have people willing and able to help you get releases out. After that you can start focussing on attracting new contributors. Ross On 13 May 2013 15:56, Luciano Resende luckbr1...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Lewis John Mcgibbney lewis.mcgibb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Recently over at Apache Any23 we've been working towards a release, however we discovered that apart from around 3 or so project committers there is an apparent lack of enthusiasm from within the community to VOTE and for us to obtain quorum to release/make decisions. 3 active PMC votes is what you need to get a release out. For clarity I've rolled back the release candidate and wanted to try and iron out some community issues, however I wanted some opinions from you guys before I can form my own opinion of where I want to see the project going. These discussions should really happen on the project dev list, and should be a community decision... For me the attic is the last resort. As this week has progressed, and people have started to chime in on the discussion over on dev@any23, I think that we will most likely not go to the attic. I am personally now recognizing that we have a small number of community members who enjoy developing the software as it works, and in all honesty I am fine with that. I actually have the same user and dev requirements. Can anyone please provide me with examples/experiences of projects which have struggled to stay afloat, but have continued to push releases? I do not have experience of this and I am very keen to learn. Wink is a small community, where some members really come to play to help get releases out. Having said that, we have a good number of users that benefit from releasing often. Thank you very much for reading. Lewis -- Lewis -- Luciano Resende http://people.apache.org/~lresende http://twitter.com/lresende1975 http://lresende.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: Any23 Community Discussion
Lewis, I was the original Champion of Any23, but didn't include myself in the resolution to create the TLP for hope that the community was in a good shape and due to my limitation of cycles. I care about Any23 though and am happy it is here, but not happy to hear that it's having issues. I will request to be added back to the PMC now, and see if I can lend some cycles towards helping out. Cheers, Chris ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ -Original Message- From: Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com Reply-To: community@apache.org community@apache.org Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 5:05 AM To: community@apache.org community@apache.org Subject: Re: Any23 Community Discussion Building a community for a small project is indeed hard work. Are there any other projects in the ASF that benefit from your existence? That is are there any projects that depend on your code? If there is then you might consider approaching those project communities and indicating that you are having problems getting releases out. Invite people from that PMC to join your own PMC so that they can do IP reviews on our releases and continue to use the code. If there are no direct dependencies are there any projects in a related space? You might find people willing to help out with IP reviews. As Luciano says having regular releases is important to building community. Therefore I suggest your first point of focus should be on ensuring you have people willing and able to help you get releases out. After that you can start focussing on attracting new contributors. Ross On 13 May 2013 15:56, Luciano Resende luckbr1...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Lewis John Mcgibbney lewis.mcgibb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Recently over at Apache Any23 we've been working towards a release, however we discovered that apart from around 3 or so project committers there is an apparent lack of enthusiasm from within the community to VOTE and for us to obtain quorum to release/make decisions. 3 active PMC votes is what you need to get a release out. For clarity I've rolled back the release candidate and wanted to try and iron out some community issues, however I wanted some opinions from you guys before I can form my own opinion of where I want to see the project going. These discussions should really happen on the project dev list, and should be a community decision... For me the attic is the last resort. As this week has progressed, and people have started to chime in on the discussion over on dev@any23, I think that we will most likely not go to the attic. I am personally now recognizing that we have a small number of community members who enjoy developing the software as it works, and in all honesty I am fine with that. I actually have the same user and dev requirements. Can anyone please provide me with examples/experiences of projects which have struggled to stay afloat, but have continued to push releases? I do not have experience of this and I am very keen to learn. Wink is a small community, where some members really come to play to help get releases out. Having said that, we have a good number of users that benefit from releasing often. Thank you very much for reading. Lewis -- Lewis -- Luciano Resende http://people.apache.org/~lresende http://twitter.com/lresende1975 http://lresende.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
