Forget the camera. Forget the WiFi. What *I* want is a breathalizer
(alcohol sensor) embedded with the microphone.
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On 1/27/07 7:12 AM, Mary Stovel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just a thought. Recently I convinced a friend to get a prepaid
cell phone and hang it around her neck when she went out in case she
needed to call for help. This allowed her greater freedom to leave
home and sure was less
On 24/01/07, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And besides, the BSDL predates the GPLv1 by a decade.
This is simply untrue.
I have done some research on this:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?q=%22at%26t+source+license%22+BSD
In 1989 the Networking Tape 1 was released; this was the
On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 16:21 +0100, Harald Welte wrote:
On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 07:29:47AM -0500, Richard Franks wrote:
then there is no copyright issue as the contributors have implicitly
put their words into the public domain?
This is not true and for sure in the US, where the instant
Twas brillig at 11:23:52 27.01.2007 UTC+00 when Dave Crossland did gyre and
gimble:
DC The freedom to become less free is a paradox.
DC http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-copyleft.html explains why
DC copyleft licenses like the GPL are better than permissive free
DC software licenses like
Salve Jose!
Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente schrieb am Samstag, den 27. Januar 2007 um
03:43h:
WAP 2.0 supports XHTML-Basic and XHTML-Mobile Profile, so use a XHTML
browser instead...
Old WML is dead!
Hmm, e.G. the German Railway http://wap.bahn.de is still
using wml 1.0 so what will
According to this image:
http://www.areamobile.de/images/handies/FIC/Neo1973/200611081450Neo1973_Rot-Gruen.jpg,
the Neo1973's casing is supposed to have two pairs of grooves on each side.
Are these grooves going to be deep enough to make it possible to firmly attach
add-ons to the back side of
On Saturday 27 January 2007 12:35:30 polz wrote:
I know it's late, but
perhaps, just perhaps, the moulds could still be modified, just before the
first phones are produced...
On a related note - will it be possible to buy the telephone (addon)
casings alone, without any electronics ?
I would
BSD people appreciate software companies like Apple coming along,
changing the code, and releasing *non-free*.
On 1/27/07, Mikhail Gusarov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Twas brillig at 11:23:52 27.01.2007 UTC+00 when Dave Crossland did gyre and
gimble:
DC The freedom to become less free is a
On 27/01/07, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Saturday 27 January 2007 12:23:52 Dave Crossland wrote:
And besides, the BSDL predates the GPLv1 by a decade.
This is simply untrue.
I have done some research on this:
Here's my understanding of this comment, to clear things up: the story
is that he was in front of a really enthusiastic crowd, and the
comment was a joke about the way the crowd was looking up to him.
Totally not an arrogant statement. Even if I don't agree with every
one of his other opinions, I
This is simply untrue.
The fact is, as originally stated, that the BSD preceded the GPL (by two years
or ten) and that free or open source software certainly existed well before
the FSF did. I received system distributions for DECsystem-10s in the 70s,
entirely in source form...
The freedom
On 3:30:45 pm 2007-01-27 David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is simply untrue.
The fact is, as originally stated, that the BSD preceded the GPL (by
two years or ten)
http://www.free-soft.org/gpl_history/
I think they were at most at the same time not one preceded the other.
On 1/27/07 3:33 AM, Mikhail Gusarov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please don't think your opponents are ignoramus. Nearly everyone here
knows very well both the position of BSD people, and essences of GNU
homilies.
Personally, I'd be a lot more impressed if Mr. Crossland were able to
articulate
On 1/27/07, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BSD people appreciate software companies like Apple coming along,
changing the code, and releasing *non-free*.
That is a freedom which the BSD license allows.
Yes it is.
But I prefer copyleft - the idea of using the law to try and
Twas brillig at 15:10:43 27.01.2007 UTC+00 when Declan Naughton did gyre and
gimble:
DN But I prefer copyleft - the idea of using the law to try and make
DN sure freedom doesn't go away, to giving others the freedom to
DN take it away.
Well, it's your problem, not others one.
--
JID:
On 1/27/07 3:26 AM, Jon Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 16:21 +0100, Harald Welte wrote:
On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 07:29:47AM -0500, Richard Franks wrote:
then there is no copyright issue as the contributors have implicitly
put their words into the public domain?
This
On 1/27/07, Mikhail Gusarov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Twas brillig at 15:10:43 27.01.2007 UTC+00 when Declan Naughton did gyre and
gimble:
DN But I prefer copyleft - the idea of using the law to try and make
DN sure freedom doesn't go away, to giving others the freedom to
DN take it away.
On Saturday 27 January 2007 16:10:43 Declan Naughton wrote:
But I prefer copyleft - the idea of using the law to try and make sure
freedom doesn't go away, to giving others the freedom to take it away.
If others take code under the BSDL and put it into a closed system, freedom
doesn't go away
On Saturday 27 January 2007 15:58:46 Andraž 'ruskie' Levstik wrote:
(You've let us know you're not a developer; it's becoming clear you
have no greater level of understanding of legal issues.)
I won't comment on this as IANAL.
This is entirely right (albeit IANAL either). For example, if
On 26 Jan 2007, at 8:34 pm, David Schlesinger wrote:
I'd say you're instead limiting free to mean free according to
the doctrine of the Free Software Foundation. (Should I only be
eating in restaurants which will give me copies of their recipes,
for the asking, in the name of freedom...?
If I am free to beat someone up that does not mean the sum total of
freedom for society is increased.
Sorry, pointlessness alert. There's _never_ a freedom to beat someone up,
and--outside of the very limited contexts of, e.g., law enforcement or military
activities--no one can grant one, so
I would like a blender and a toaster (for small toast... I realize
that including a full size toaster would make the phone a lot less
portable.)
If the phone could also work as an electric razor and nose hair
trimmer, that would be great too.
___
If others take code under the BSDL and put it into a closed system, freedom
doesn't go away at all. It just doesn't necessarily extend any further.
It has gone away for the users of that system.
...who are, of course, being forced to use said system at gunpoint.
Really, what's it to you? If
On 1/27/07, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
because
capitalists organisations involve authoritative decision making and
the person in authority, paying my wage, tells me I have to be there.
Yawn. So quit. Move to the people's republic of your choice and live in
proletarian
Are you sure you should be on a children's mailing list somewhere?
Renaissance Man
On 27 Jan 2007, at 4:16 pm, David Schlesinger wrote:
Yawn. So quit. Move to the people's republic of your choice and
live in proletarian harmony, giving according to your means and
receiving according to your
On Saturday 27 January 2007 17:23:14 Renaissance Man wrote:
It's not a matter of should. A person DOES have the freedom to run
proprietary software on their open phone if they choose, but that
freedom, if acted on, has consequences (called an externality in
economics).
No that's not what is
http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/01/27/0755234.shtml
It looks like the MP4 (or M4V) video format is now no longer covered by
patents, if I am readig this correctly (and if the article is accurate.)
Due to it being a high-resolution phone, and assuming that we'll watch video
on it anyway, there
On 1/27/07, Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That way we can keep this list focused on what
it was set out to do. Exchange ideas for the OpenMoko platform.
It's a community list - I would think that discussing values and such
would be ontopic. Perhaps we could really do with an
Well you managed to miss the point of my *metaphor* (not straw man),
even though I spelt it out for you:
The point is real freedom is measured on a whole picture basis,
not on an individual basis.
How are you less free as a result?
Apple's iPhone, for instance, contains open source
I think this is all a bit overkill. I don't see any license other than
the description this mailing list is for open discussion and
feedback, for this mailing list.. yet these potentially copyrightable
messages are mirrored by openmoko.com, gmane, etc.
Why isn't everyone being sued?
In our
la, 2007-01-27 kello 11:05 -0600, el jefe delito kirjoitti:
It looks like the MP4 (or M4V) video format is now no longer covered
by patents, if I am readig this correctly (and if the article is
accurate.)
Well, at least probably not that particular patent (set?). And it's
spesifically h.264 by
Gabriel Ambuehl wrote:
On Saturday 27 January 2007 17:23:14 Renaissance Man wrote:
It's not a matter of should. A person DOES have the freedom to run
proprietary software on their open phone if they choose, but that
freedom, if acted on, has consequences (called an externality in
economics).
How are you less free as a result?
Apple's iPhone, for instance, contains open source software, but
because it's totally reliant on un-free software I can't add VoIP via
WiFi to it for instance, effectively nullifying the freedom aspect of
the free software component for its users. All the
On 1/27/07, Lars Hallberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
polz skrev:
According to this image:
http://www.areamobile.de/images/handies/FIC/Neo1973/200611081450Neo1973_Rot-Gruen.jpg,
the Neo1973's casing is supposed to have two pairs of grooves on each side.
If I look at the larger version of that
As you point out, with Apple taking BSD software and 'competing
against BSD', the market share for vanilla BSD is reduced. You can't
however know whether in the medium-long term this is an 'overall good'
which sped up Freedom through other interactions in the future or an
overall bad. Apple geeks
On 1/27/07, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
More importantly (and very relevantly to this list) you can't compete for
consumers on a basis of Not as good, but _more free_. If completely open
phones are going to achieve any sort of dominance, then the same kind of
work will have to go
On Saturday 27 January 2007 08:38, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote:
On Saturday 27 January 2007 16:10:43 Declan Naughton wrote:
But I prefer copyleft - the idea of using the law to try and make sure
freedom doesn't go away, to giving others the freedom to take it away.
If others take code under the
https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/openmoko-devel
On Saturday 27 January 2007 10:04, Jonathon Suggs wrote:
Can we PLEASE keep the posts to the entire list ON TOPIC!!!
The last few digest have all been about licensing, personal agendas, and
discussion NOT related to OpenMoko. And
I'm interested in making use of the u-SD slot with a card much like
the Spectec microSDIO WiFi 11g Card, but one developed in house for
more general wireless networking. I assume that the u-SD slot is
accessed via the back side of the device, but does anyone know if it
will be behind the
Salve Michael!
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007, Michael Dickens wrote:
I'm interested in making use of the u-SD slot with a card much like
the Spectec microSDIO WiFi 11g Card, but one developed in house for
more general wireless networking. I assume that the u-SD slot is
accessed via the back
I have simply trained my Bayesian Spam filter...
Am 27.01.2007 um 18:04 schrieb Jonathon Suggs:
Can we PLEASE keep the posts to the entire list ON TOPIC!!!
The last few digest have all been about licensing, personal
agendas, and
discussion NOT related to OpenMoko. And just in case you
(offlist)
On 27/01/07, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is simply untrue.
The fact is, as originally stated, that the BSD preceded the GPL (by two
years or ten)
I would really appeciate some evidence of this.
Here my evidence that the original BSD license was first used in
On 1/28/07, Corey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BSDL contains an inherent self-destruct gene, GPL contains a built-in
propagation gene.
And Non-Free Software contains a built-in propagation gene which
cannot evolve its medium (technology) as quickly as the license-gene
for Free Software can.
But
On Sat, 2007-01-27 at 12:25 -0500, Richard Franks wrote:
I think this is all a bit overkill. I don't see any license other than
the description this mailing list is for open discussion and
feedback, for this mailing list.. yet these potentially copyrightable
messages are mirrored by
(offlist)
Not.
I would really appeciate some evidence of this...
Fine. You're correct that the GPL and the BSD came out in the same year. In any
case, there was, as I've said, plenty of free software (although few
licenses) a decade and more before any of this.
Now that I've agreed that I
On 1/27/07, Jon Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't see a legal case being made out of this.
Right, but better to protect ourselves. Also, companies, like
FIC/OpenMoko have to take every precaution. So, if we want our content
included, we need to be cautious as well.
Agreed - but I
At Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:05:49 -0600,
el jefe delito wrote:
http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/01/27/0755234.shtml
It looks like the MP4 (or M4V) video format is now no longer covered by
patents, if I am readig this correctly (and if the article is accurate.)
Due to it being a high-resolution
This all seems reasonable and appropriate as a way to move forward...
In fact, there's no particular real-world danger of a legal case. First of
all, no one stands to make or lose any money on the content in question, so any
action would be purely symbolic.
Secondly, the way to start if one
David Ford skrev:
We overwhelmingly need a community-evangelize list of which I won't be
subscribing to.
This is a good suggestion. I'm actually interested in this topic, but
refuse to take part in it on this list as it's so obviously of topic.
/LaH
On Sun, 2007-01-28 at 00:51 -0700, Corey wrote:
https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/openmoko-devel
Great! I've subscribed to that list and will unsubscribe to this in due
course. I swear if I read the words GNU/Linux and freedom mentioned
there
Whatever good bits come off of this
This is not probably called for at this point, Neo1973 pretty certainly
does _not_ have enough horsepower to play back h.264. (I'm hoping to
I think you'd be surprised. I'm going to bet that there won't be much
of an issue getting smooth playback. If you look at the brains of the
iPod Video it
Am Samstag, 27. Januar 2007 schrieb Oleg L. Sverdlov:
What software is planned on desktop side? If any.
Well, even if there will be no desktop-software, specially for the Neo,
I think it'll support serveral protocols for syncing (for example
syncml). So its not a problem to sync with any
Seriously.. a breathalizer embedded in the mic, I know I'd love that!
Can't see it happening though, but it probably wouldn't be all that
expensive. Still, most people won't be interested in it.
... I don't know if you've looked at the cost of a stand alone
breathalyzer however it ends up being
Ok, that's expensive. Would be cool to play with though.
On 1/27/07, Bryce Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seriously.. a breathalizer embedded in the mic, I know I'd love that!
Can't see it happening though, but it probably wouldn't be all that
expensive. Still, most people won't be interested
Oh don't get me wrong I completely agree with you and I would whole
heartedly buy a usb add on if one were created, i'm just saying that
it would be really cool but currently is cost prohibitive for the
first version.
That would be a really neat selling point for the next version, gps
and a
I just saw you use your phone while driving!
No, officer, I was only checking my blood alcohol level!
Great... :D
Also, I wonder what the German law has to say about using a
breathalyzer while driving...
On 1/28/07, Bryce Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh don't get me wrong I completely agree
On Jan 27, 2007, at 3:27 PM, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote:
Unfortunately, it's behind the battery. It's a SIM card/microSD
combo device.
Anyone believe that there is space to run an antenna wire (or 2)
around the battery w/o ruining the device? - MLD
Ok, well I think there is some need for speed for doing this so all future
contributions are legally clear. Ok, lets shoot for the end of the day monday
to have converted the pages.
Also, we need a wikiable gnu fdl statement to use that we can put on each page
that is reworked.
Dave, woule
I'm usually a big nitpicker on the legal side, but suspend that for a
moment and ask yourselves: is anybody who contributed to the wiki
going to want to sue FIC for importing the content into an official
wiki? I think that any major effort to restart the wiki is wasted
effort that could be better
Koen
After reading the LCA slides on pulse-audio it seems to be the best choice
for an
audiorouting app
FYI, I mocked up some diagrams including one that incorporates pulse. I am
hoping to have some of these ideas validated, so let me know if you have any
thoughts on it.
um, isn't syncml supported out of the box? I swear I remember hearing that
On 1/27/07, Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good question. I think it was mentioned earlier that the phone will
support some stand protocols for syncing (syncml comes to mind).
However, it still isn't an easy
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