Quoting Martin Straub on 07/22/2007 07:04 AM UTC:
Kyle Bassett schrieb:
#2081, and I am in total suspense!
Kyle
C'mon I am #3560 and 54 years old. Will I live to receive it ? I' afraid
my last words will be: Did it arrive ? No ? Aargh. (dies). ;-) ?
Martin
Man, that would suck!
Martin Straub pisze:
Kyle Bassett schrieb:
#2081, and I am in total suspense!
Kyle
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Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
Sebastian Krause wrote:
Torfinn Ingolfsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I guess asking for a forum -- NNTP gateway would be asking too much?
No: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community
Hey, that was very nifty indeed!
Lets see if this is a
Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
(sbup)
I guess asking for a forum -- NNTP gateway would be asking too much?
There's already the possibility of reading the list as a NNTP group via the
gmane news servers... personally I don't like webbased forums.
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Jano wrote:
There's already the possibility of reading the list as a NNTP group via the
gmane news servers... personally I don't like webbased forums.
Just tried it, great service !
Mickael.
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On 7/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think most people are jumping way too far ahead..
agree
If this is to be used by anyone other than linux geeks it has to have
windows support.
completely agree
It has to synch with outlook. If it does not work
seemlessly with
Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And people who remember the term usenet can even look at it with a
proper news reader.
I don't think that google provides nntp, but you can ask gmane to
create an nntp gateway. See the sympy group for an example
http://groups.google.com/group/sympy
On 7/23/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 22 Jul 2007, at 20:31, Adam Krikstone wrote:
AGPS is where focus needs to be. This natural (and free)
comparative advantage needs to be developed to attract new
developers and customers.
Unfortunately people will want Tomtom, much of the
Clare Johnstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
Nokia 6110 Navigator - advertised on the back of the bus I followed on
my way home,
and this is way away in Perth Western Australia..
clare
Thing is, we have better hardware than Nokia in terms of GPS. They use an AGPS
solution which is just
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Sehr geehrter Leser,
vielen Dank für Ihre E-Mail. Der Hinweis ist bereits im letzten Absatz
enthalten: Zielgruppe des Neo 1973 sind dementsprechend natürlich in
erster Linie Entwickler. Weiterhin viel Spaß mit onlinekosten.de.
Mit freundlichen
Torfinn Ingolfsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
Isn't SyncML[1] aka OMA[2] standard on Windows?
Standard as in there exists a SyncML application for windows thgat
allows you to sync with Outlook ...?
and if SyncML / OMA is standard, can't we just use that?
1)
Hey guys,
Can anyone confirm whether GTA02 will have a camera or no? The question has
been asked a few times on the mailing list and I've seen speculations, but
no real answers. Seeing as the Samsung 2442 SoC can support a camera
interface, is it safe to assume that this feature will be
Messaggio Originale
Oggetto: Re: OK, the forum is coming..
Data: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:14:31 +0200
Da: Valerio Bruno [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Niels L. Ellegaard ha scritto:
Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And people who remember the term usenet can even look at it with a
Coomac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
Hey guys,Can anyone confirm whether GTA02 will have a camera or
no? The question has been asked a few times on the mailing list and
I#39;ve seen speculations, but no real answers. Seeing as the Samsung 2442
SoC can support a camera interface, is it safe to
Hello,
On 7/23/07, Valerio Bruno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm trying gmane nntp interface to community list and it doesn't support
thread! all messages are ordered just by date. So it's the same as
reading the messages in own mailbox. Doh.
Hmm, which newsreader are you using? I'm using
If you are using the nntp protocol, it means you have a client, right ?
My client is Thunderbird, and it supports threads.
The last time I used the _web_ interface, it had threads.
Mickael.
On 7/23/07, Valerio Bruno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Messaggio Originale
Oggetto: Re:
On Monday 23 July 2007 14:10, coomac wrote:
Hey guys,
Can anyone confirm whether GTA02 will have a camera or no? The question has
been asked a few times on the mailing list and I've seen speculations, but
no real answers. Seeing as the Samsung 2442 SoC can support a camera
interface, is it
On 7/23/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As mention previously, anything which requires the modification of the
casing will be very expensive and so it's not planned.
I'm sure however that people will have a go at hacking the unit and
addition a module in somehow.
Personally it's not
I've just noticed that the openmoko logo appears to have been removed from the
funambol 'community partners list'
http://www.funambol.com/opensource/partners.html
I know it was there recently. Is there any info on this?
Andy
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Coomac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
Was really hoping
for a 3 MP to replace my current phone or at least a 2 MP with video to
better trounce the iPhone. I still have high hopes for the phone,
It's not the megapixels that matter, it's the quality of the lens and the
quality of the CCD/CMOS.
On Mon, 23 Jul 2007, Giles Jones wrote:
Coomac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
Was really hoping
for a 3 MP to replace my current phone or at least a 2 MP with video to
better trounce the iPhone. I still have high hopes for the phone,
It's not the megapixels that matter, it's the quality of the
Giles Jones wrote:
Also, lack of camera is good for business, many business phones lack camera.
Oh, I'm sure we could come up with good business uses for cameras. In
an open phone, cameras do more than just take pictures. The key, as you
stated, is to have a fairly good quality camera.
Le dimanche 22 juillet 2007 à 09:04 +0200, Martin Straub a écrit :
[...]
C'mon I am #3560 and 54 years old. Will I live to receive it ? I' afraid
my last words will be: Did it arrive ? No ? Aargh. (dies). ;-) ?
Martin
Hmmm. That's the optimistic scenario. Imagine the worst case:
Did
On 7/20/07, Shakthi Kannan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Adam Krikstone wrote:
There's
nothing stopping a GSM provider from blocking all unbranded IMEI's,
including your neo.
Different operators have different implementation of the GSM standard,
which they call it their IP-crap-R.
Now, if
Operator phone requirements are huge and ornate, and, essentially,
conformance testing is done by invitation only, only for phones that
the operator is planning on selling directly. The requirements for one
major European carrier are about 1200 pages in length... The
requirements are only
Krzysztof Kajkowski, Sat, Jul 21, 2007 15:49:37 +0200:
...and shipping cost are LOWER than previously mentioned on the page:
Your credit card has now been charged by the following amount:
Subtotal: $300 USD
Shipping: $67.89 USD
Total: $367.89 USD
Me too: $300 + $50.30 shipping
Giles Jones wrote:
snip
All of my phones have had such dire cameras I have no interest in using them.
I saw a very good reason for always carrying a phone around with you (even a low
quality digital) recently. A truck crashed into a BMW at a junction outside my
office window. The first thing the
On 7/23/07, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe so, but as has been pointed out, phonecams are banned in a lot of
places, many of them businesses. Go buy an HP or Fuji (or whatever)
camera with 5MP and optical zoom for a hundred bucks and wear it on the
other hip. You'll be glad you did
It's not the megapixels that matter, it's the quality of the lens and the
quality of the CCD/CMOS.
Right. My simple version of this is Cameras have lenses - phones,
for the most part, don't.
This is why, for me, being able to do USB *host* is a killer feature,
so I can take *real* pictures
On 23 Jul 2007, at 17:04, Gordon Syme wrote:
Me too, while I'd like a camera to be there I wouldn't want it to
detract from
more important dev work.
Well, the driver and software can be made. This project isn't about
just one hardware unit.
I'm sure a USB webcam could be hacked to
On Mon, 23 Jul 2007, Brad Pitcher wrote:
Giles Jones wrote:
Also, lack of camera is good for business, many business phones lack
camera.
Oh, I'm sure we could come up with good business uses for cameras. In an
open phone, cameras do more than just take pictures. The key, as you stated,
Mickael Faivre-Macon wrote:
I didn't find the logo at any date (didn't search all tho)
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.funambol.com/opensource/partners.html
Try this one:
http://www.funambol.com/partners/
On 7/23/07, Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've just noticed that
Mark Eichin wrote:
It's not the megapixels that matter, it's the quality of the lens and the
quality of the CCD/CMOS.
Right. My simple version of this is Cameras have lenses - phones,
for the most part, don't.
This is why, for me, being able to do USB *host* is a killer feature,
so I can
What would be kind of cool for the next model, is a clear window in the back
of the case, with a plug-in module system behind it. If we could bring the
camera interface as well as I2C and SPI out to a connector right there, the
people who want a camera to take drunken blackmail shots of their
The functionality is too close to a mailing list really... It would be
another means of communication from the dark times of the internet which
most developers, old people and nerds might love. It wouldn't help in any
way to expand the community, though.
We are NOT looking for a way to replace
Rather than alienate one group over the other, why not have something
for both? A non camera version for those who don't need the feature as
well as a camera version with the exact same specs for those who can't
live without it? I mean, why have a chip with camera support if there
are no
On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:27, coomac wrote:
Rather than alienate one group over the other, why not have something
for both? A non camera version for those who don't need the feature as
well as a camera version with the exact same specs for those who can't
live without it? I mean, why have a
coomac wrote:
On 7/23/07, *Giles Jones* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As mention previously, anything which requires the modification of
the casing will be very expensive and so it's not planned.
I'm sure however that people will have a go at hacking the
coomac wrote:
On 7/23/07, *Ian Darwin* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Maybe so, but as has been pointed out, phonecams are banned in a lot of
places, many of them businesses. Go buy an HP or Fuji (or whatever)
camera with 5MP and optical zoom for a hundred bucks
Okay, since I seem to frequently function as the injector of some
reality into these discussions (aka wet blanket), yes, drilling a hole
in the case is straightforward. Now, how do you propose to actually wire
the camera module into the rest of the system, dare I ask...?
The gpio pins?
On 23 Jul 2007, at 20:16, andy selby wrote
The gpio pins?
https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/doc/hardware/GTA01Bv3/gpio.txt
although I'm not sure which ones and it'll be a different pinout for
the upgraded processor in GTA02.
I'm not sure wether you could connect a USB camera with a hacked USB
Ian Darwin wrote:
coomac wrote:
On 7/23/07, *Ian Darwin* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe so, but as has been pointed out, phonecams are banned in a
lot of places, many of them businesses. Go buy an HP or Fuji (or
whatever) camera with 5MP and optical zoom for a
On 7/23/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This phone wasn't initially designed for this project anyway was it?
No one from FIC said anything about it, but somehow, a bunch of the news
articles and blogs written about the phone promise a camera in phase 2. This
is why I asked in the
...had their purchased phone arrive yet??
mail2web.com What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you?
http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint
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On 23 Jul 2007, at 20:37, coomac wrote:
No need for snarky comments. Like it or not, non technical people
make up the majority of consumers. These are people who are scared
to death of doing a mod on their brand spanking new gadget and
would instead purchase the gadget with that
Eric van Horssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Mark Eichin wrote:
It's not the megapixels that matter, it's the quality of the lens and the
quality of the CCD/CMOS.
Right. My simple version of this is Cameras have lenses - phones,
for the most part, don't.
This is why, for me, being able to
Joshua Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I agree 100% with Coomac. Sure it would be nice if we had a Digital SLR with
us at all times but that is completely impractical. Unless you are some sort
of weirdo chances are you are not going to be carrying that large camera
around with you
I think a good planed Addon-system should do the trick.
Like the Wiki suggested there should be a spacer which fits into the
back. Some kind of bus which can be daisy chained through all back parts
and spacers. So it would be easy to develop a camera back and chain it
to the bus. If the bus would
Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't like the tree style of discussion. It kind of makes sense on a
mailing list. However, I find it unnatural and exhausting to navigate. Old
school people who prefer threaded view have got the mailing list, I am of
the strong opinion that we should go
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Niels L. Ellegaard) wrote:
Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And people who remember the term usenet can even look at it with a
proper news reader.
I don't think that google provides nntp, but you can ask gmane to
create an nntp gateway. See the sympy group for an
Valerio Bruno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't think that google provides nntp, but you can ask gmane to
create an nntp gateway.
I'm trying gmane nntp interface to community list and it doesn't support
thread! all messages are ordered just by date.
You're using Thunderbird, and it supports
I am rolling around the idea of purchasing the developer unit, but I
have a couple of questions:
Is anyone using it on ATT, and what are your results??
When the GTA02 unit becomes available will there be and upgrade
price
to upgrade to the new board?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...had their purchased phone arrive yet??
mail2web.com – What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you?
http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint
On 23 Jul 2007, at 22:46, Donald Organ wrote:
I am rolling around the idea of purchasing the developer unit, but I
have a couple of questions:
When the GTA02 unit becomes available will there be and
upgrade
price
to upgrade to the new board?
No upgrade discount, they decided
guess thats a question on lots of people's minds ...
we should just hang on ... being the first in any domain is difficult ...
think, moko's done a great job about being open ... lets see how far the
rabbit hole goes ;)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...had their purchased phone arrive yet??
Maybe you're right, and the whole point is here: mailing lists are for
geeks and forums are for all other people. We should then have a web
based forum.
On 7/23/07, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The functionality is too close to a mailing list really... It would be
another means of
No upgrade discount, they decided against that. Instead they made the
GTA01 cheaper.
I think you may be able to keep the existing case, battery etc and
get the GTA02 in board only form.
Has this been confirmed?? I dont want to buy it right now if I am not
gonna be able to
I feel almost stupid saying this, but there are quite a few people out there
who are ringtone fanatics (personally, I can't understand paying 3.99 for a
30 second song clip... especially because you can't find one that's
appropriate everywhere) to that end, what about a simple ringtone
Since there are no physical case changes, it would be great if they just
offered the board for sale to those that have already purchased the GTA01
kit for a discounted price. I purchased the Neo Advanced, and I really
can't afford to spend another 400-600+ on the newer version...
Kyle
On
ma, 2007-07-23 kello 18:10 -0400, Donald Organ kirjoitti:
I think you may be able to keep the existing case, battery etc and
get the GTA02 in board only form.
Has this been confirmed?? I dont want to buy it right now if I am not
gonna be able to upgrade to the version with 802.11
On 7/23/07, Mark Eichin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Joshua Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I agree 100% with Coomac.
Whoops, name fixed.
SNIP
the people who can't bring cameras to work (a growing
number) are going to be a disproportionately large percentage of the
people who *actually
Jeff Rush skrev:
Hi Jeff!
As I said... I have build the neo1973 qemu... but 'by hand'... It's a
small build vs the mokomakefile build everything that's huge.
- Lars, Yes, the onscreen keyboard does work, as in the GUI keyboard you
click on with the mouse. I click in the upper-left box
Marco Barreno wrote:
On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 06:10:25PM -0400, thus spake Donald Organ:
No upgrade discount, they decided against that. Instead they made the
GTA01 cheaper.
I think you may be able to keep the existing case, battery etc and
get the GTA02 in board only
On 24 Jul 2007, at 00:09, Nkoli wrote:
You're right about business smart phones, but you're not taking
nokia's symbian phones and their huge userbase into account. One
glance at gsmarena (or any phone website) comments section will
give you an idea of how large the non business users
On Tuesday 24 July 2007 00:06:55 Mickael Faivre-Macon wrote:
Maybe you're right, and the whole point is here: mailing lists are for
geeks and forums are for all other people. We should then have a web
based forum.
Are you sure ? I find personally a mailing is much easier. You get the
I already use my browser to read my email. I use Gmail to handle the mail
from my domain. I can read it at home, at the coffee house or at my day
job.
The argument that you have to start your browser seems thin to me. What is
a mail reader if not an application as complex as a browser?
A
Donald Organ wrote:
I am rolling around the idea of purchasing the developer unit, but I
have a couple of questions:
Is anyone using it on ATT, and what are your results??
Others have addressed the upgrade issue, so I won't. The phone will work
with ATT or T-Mobile in the US (or any
On 7/23/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's unrealistic to think this phone can get huge market
share. Simply because you won't have the major operators selling them
on contract. Until operators are pushing them and people know what the
brand means
(ie, reputation) it's going to be
Maybe you're right, and the whole point is here: mailing lists are for
geeks and forums are for all other people. We should then have a web
based forum.
Are you sure ? I find personally a mailing is much easier. You get the
messages with your regular mail, you can sort them to a
On 7/23/07, Nkoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/23/07, Jeff Andros [EMAIL
PROTECTED]https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cmtf=0[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
there are quite a few people out there who are ringtone fanatics
(personally, I can't understand paying 3.99 for a 30 second song clip...
On 24 Jul 2007, at 01:21, Nkoli wrote:
If done right, it just might grab a good chunk of the market
without needing telcos. If anything, Apple has shown that people
are willing to drop $500 - $600 on a phone they can fall in love
with. In the US at least. It may not be so with the rest
First off I wanted to see if anyone shares my opinion that a
multi-touch screen is needed, if at all possible, to make the Neo
truly revolutionary. It will both cut down on screen space used for UI
and make for a more efficient and intuitive interface. It would even
help beyond user input, it
I truly believe in this quote, I also found it on openmoko.com. Both
multi-touch and a minimalist case truly supports this ideal:
The most profound technologies are those that disappear. They weave
themselves into the fabric of everyday life until they are
indistinguishable from it.
Mark Weiser
On 7/23/07, Cailan Halliday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I truly believe in this quote, I also found it on openmoko.com. Both
multi-touch and a minimalist case truly supports this ideal:
snip
-Cailan
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I ordered a Neo1973, but I because of work assignments that I got today, I
don't think I will be able to work on it for several months. (things are
crazy at my day job)
Is there a way to cancel an order?
==Dan
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On Tuesday 24 July 2007 02:08:32 Daniel Robinson wrote:
I already use my browser to read my email. I use Gmail to handle the mail
from my domain. I can read it at home, at the coffee house or at my day
job.
great for you but AFAIK almost all ISP offer reading mail from their web page
so
Am Montag, 23. Juli 2007 21:41 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
...had their purchased phone arrive yet??
Believe me, no need to ask. If that happens you will see a lot of
messages with yeeepeee and smilies arround. :-)
Arndt
PS:
ATTENTION! AQTTENTION! Neo1973 has lost his innocence.
If you read
On 7/23/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
People complain about the price of the iPhone,
...yet upwards of a hundred thousand stood in line on day one to buy the
thing. Dude, this is unprecedented. The phone shook the US industry silly
and that industry is still recovering. Just
Yes I agree with all your points.
I suspect the Apple patents are on the interaction techniques, and
possibly on some specific hardware. Obviously multi-touch existed a
few years ago (FingerWorks was around, and I think the FTIR method was
invented even earlier). We will see how the lawsuits
On 7/23/07, Mickael Faivre-Macon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I didn't find the logo at any date (didn't search all tho)
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.funambol.com/opensource/partners.html
Logo was there a week ago, I too saw the logo.
regards
VK
Charles Lohr wrote:
Since I don't really know the community, just say when and I can join
the devel lists and move to that. (Or we can just do the discussion
off-list)
And -- with regards to the log file; the log file seems to only contain
what the standard output provides.
I haven't gotten any response or been charged on my credit card since I
replied YES_I_DO. My order number is 2012...oh crap...isn't that when
the Mayan calendar ends and the World as we know it ceases to exist?
Just my luck! :-P
Has anyone else NOT received any response at all yet since
Hello Cassj,
Yeah I haven't received a response yet either and I'm #2018.
Thanks,
Tim
On Mon, 2007-07-23 at 23:28 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I haven't gotten any response or been charged on my credit card since I
replied YES_I_DO. My order number is 2012...oh crap...isn't that when
Nkoli wrote:
FIC is a solid brand name. It may not be tied to the phone industry,
FIC is tied to the phone industry, they may not have a market share in the US
or Europe but they have in parts of Asia
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Obviously multi-touch existed a few years ago (FingerWorks was around
Note that Apple *bought* FingerWorks for this technology, and
presumably the associated patents. (I have some of the FingerWorks
keyboards, they're a great technology on the gesturing side, but as an
experienced
Moin,
Am Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:11:32 -0400 schrieb Charles Lohr:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ jar cf
Exception in thread main java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: cf
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ jar -cf
Unrecognized option: -cf
Could not create the Java virtual machine.
:-/
Which are _exactly_ the responses
Daniel Robinson wrote:
I ordered a Neo1973, but I because of work assignments that I got
today, I don't think I will be able to work on it for several months.
(things are crazy at my day job)
Is there a way to cancel an order?
==Dan
(Also) see:
On Mon, 2007-07-23 at 23:28 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Has anyone else NOT received any response at all yet since YES_I_DO?
I'm in the 1900's, and I haven't heard anything. They've assured us
that they aren't fulfilling orders in order of the RT ticket number, so
I guess there's no need
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