This list is *broken*

2007-07-25 Thread Jay Vaughan
Since I subscribed to this list a couple days ago I have received the same messages, over and over again .. Its like groundhog day .. if I have to read another copy of the whole lists suck, use forums thread one more time, I'm going to imagine what its like to chuck my openmoko

Re: Duplicate message troubleshooting

2007-07-25 Thread Nicolas Bougues
On Wednesday 25 July 2007 00:47:02 Marco Barreno wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 10:42:01PM +0200, thus spake Andreas Kostyrka: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ok, putting on my Postmaster hat, could you please provide Message Ids and headers for messages from

Re: This list is *broken*

2007-07-25 Thread Sven Neuhaus
Jay Vaughan schrieb: Can the listadmin please pay attention and fix the broken list? We don't need all these repeats and it seems like mailman is borked, re-sending messages to the list over and again .. Sending these pleas to the list won't help, you want to contact the list owner (CC)...

Re: GUI idea

2007-07-25 Thread Al Johnson
PS: Sorry I sent this to you already, Gerald. The usual error, forgot to change the To address... Which brings up a good point, can the mailing list administrator make the ReplyTo default to the mailing list rather than the original poster :) Must add this to the FAQ. In a word NO - it

Diagnostic Message

2007-07-25 Thread jeff
This is a probe message to diagnose the SMTP problems. Please ignore. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Duplicate message troubleshooting

2007-07-25 Thread Jeff Rush
Nicolas Bougues wrote: Here is the kind of things my SMTP relay logs while talking to openmoko's list server : Jul 24 18:46:21 cassis postfix/smtp[9586]: 7E28BE0BA0: to=community@lists.openmoko.org, relay=sita.openmoko.org[88.198.124.203]:25, delay=12360, delays=12279/0.16/0.15/80,

Re: GUI idea

2007-07-25 Thread Mark Arvidson
The short answer is use Reply to all instead of Reply to sender On 7/25/07, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS: Sorry I sent this to you already, Gerald. The usual error, forgot to change the To address... Which brings up a good point, can the mailing list administrator make the

[rt.internal.openmoko.org #1820] Order shipped:

2007-07-25 Thread Jason Elwell
FIC just made my day! Greetings, This message has been automatically generated with regard to the progress of your order at the OpenMoko online store (http://direct.openmoko.com/). Your order has been shipped! -Jason ___ OpenMoko community

Re: OpenMoko BoF at OSCON Wed. 8:30pm

2007-07-25 Thread Oliver
Please please film it and upload it to google video or such for online viewing. Most cons have started doing this with talks, but online BoF sessions are more rare. It would also prove a valuable resource for the community! /Oliver ___ OpenMoko

Re: [rt.internal.openmoko.org #1820] Order shipped:

2007-07-25 Thread Giles Jones
Jason Elwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : FIC just made my day! Your order has been shipped! You meanie :P I misread it and thought mine has shipped then :( I'm still having problems getting the USB networking going. I think I won't be able to do much until my phone arrives. In the

Re: chording (was: yet another alternative text input subject : Five finger keyboards)

2007-07-25 Thread Ian Darwin
There's a *lot* of prior art in chord keyboards (as they're normally called), and they work really well in a lot of environments. I suspect I might like five nicely-spaced buttons so I could do one-handed typing on the phone. You can imagine a chord keyboard that fits in your pocket so you

Re: email vs forum

2007-07-25 Thread Sebastian Krause
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not trying to prove something -- trying to give benefit of long experience in similar situations. Email is substantially more efficient, because it is intrinsically more powerful. For example: 8) Staying in touch directly with the community from my OpenMoko phone in

Re: email vs forum

2007-07-25 Thread Ortwin Regel
On the other hand, via email you load everything while on a forum you choose what to view. The screen size argument also doesn't work too well as the Neo has 640*480 which is plenty and an official forum would obviously make sure to fit well into that resolution. How about continuing the

Re: email vs forum

2007-07-25 Thread ramsesoriginal
On 7/25/07, Sebastian Krause [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not trying to prove something -- trying to give benefit of long experience in similar situations. Email is substantially more efficient, because it is intrinsically more powerful. For example: 8) Staying in

Re: email vs forum

2007-07-25 Thread Sebastian Krause
ramsesoriginal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -E-mail: loading hunderts of e-mails with questions that have been discuted at least 300 times and hunderts of flaming e-mails, and maybe dozends of i need this and that app e-mails, just to see that there's no kews in the development of the

Re: qemu trouble...

2007-07-25 Thread Tim Niemeyer
Hello I have also some problems with qemu. I have build everything with the MokoMakefile and it works really nice! ;-) But when i want to use the gadged system to ssh into my moko, i get some trouble... I figured out that i had to recompile my default Debian Etch Kernel an did it. Now it seems

Re: email vs forum

2007-07-25 Thread ramsesoriginal
On 7/25/07, Sebastian Krause [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ramsesoriginal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -E-mail: loading hunderts of e-mails with questions that have been discuted at least 300 times and hunderts of flaming e-mails, and maybe dozends of i need this and that app e-mails, just to see

Re: Order related inquiries

2007-07-25 Thread William Lai
On Jul 25, 2007, at 12:16 PM, Myk Melez wrote: rukhsana ansari wrote: Hi, I'd like to order another phone online but am unable to do so for the past several days. After I click on submit in step1, I don't get to step 2, just a blank page. Has anyone else encountered this problem? Any

Re:...Order shipped: OpenMoko direct order

2007-07-25 Thread Cindy
It shipped! Sorry to waste bandwidth, but my openmoko is in transit to my local UPS office! Now I wish I had paid for quicker shipping options, I used ground. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: ...Order shipped: OpenMoko direct order

2007-07-25 Thread Krzysztof Kajkowski
2007/7/25, Cindy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It shipped! I'm so jealous I live abroad and have to wait another day to have my neo sent, and than wait some time, just to wait to pay tax at customs when neo arrives to Poland! ;-) ___ OpenMoko community

AW: Re: email vs forum

2007-07-25 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
The average customer won't wait for the few simple web clicks, at least not on a device that has only a GPRS connection. The Nokia E61 browser has a nice KB counter and it's incredible how huge current web sites have gotten. (and there is only limited hope of improvement, as we want the

Re: Re: email vs forum

2007-07-25 Thread Nkoli
On 7/25/07, Andreas Kostyrka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The average customer won't wait for the few simple web clicks, at least not on a device that has only a GPRS connection. The Nokia E61 browser has a nice KB counter and it's incredible how huge current web sites have gotten. (and there is

Re: email vs forum (was Re: OK, the forum is coming..)

2007-07-25 Thread Steven **
I've been mostly silent in this discussion (partially because it's taken me two days to catch up on it), but I have some thoughts/questions. The gist of the argument for email seems to be: 1. You can download all the messages and view them offline 2. Standalone email clients group messages by

Re: email vs forum (was Re: OK, the forum is coming..)

2007-07-25 Thread vivek khurana
On 7/25/07, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, my questions: 1. Is there a way to get Gmail to thread the messages based on who it was in response to? Yup, admins can set archiving at www.gmane.org. This way you will have archiving as well as threaded view regards VK

Re: email vs forum (was Re: OK, the forum is coming..)

2007-07-25 Thread Steven **
Um... That doesn't seem to get Gmail to thread the messages at all. You're solution is Just don't use Gmail. Duh!. That's not a valid answer to my question. Before you suggest it, the following is also an invalid response: use Outlook or Thunderbird and download all your messages via POP. I

Re: OK, the forum is coming..

2007-07-25 Thread Jeff Andros
WARNING: replies to multiple messages Richard said: If they were interested in developing, they would follow the wiki as it is the only source for finding development specs, cvs links, walkthroughs, etc. Some of us are waiting for hardware... don't get me wrong, you can do a lot with an

Re:PRESS: Hands-on with the OpenMoko Phone

2007-07-25 Thread michael
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Jason Elwell writes: http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2007/07/hands-on-with-t.html Thanks for posting that -- certainly whetted my appetite. It's also interesting that the author of the article didn't quite understand which decisions have been

Re: PRESS: Hands-on with the OpenMoko Phone

2007-07-25 Thread Marcel de Jong
On 7/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Jason Elwell writes: http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2007/07/hands-on-with-t.html Thanks for posting that -- certainly whetted my appetite. It's also interesting that the author of the

Re: External Handler Proof of Concept

2007-07-25 Thread Kero van Gelder
I was playing around with the extensions framework (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Extension_Framework) over the weekend and have put together a proof of concept for the idea. The packages are not currently designed to run on the openmoko or integrate with the build process but

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-25 Thread Rod Whitby
Nick Johnson wrote: On 7/26/07, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not yet found a forum that allows you to have all new messages emailed to you, or to have *all* past messages since *exactly* the last message you saw provided to you by an RSS feed (all the feeds I've seen will give

Re: PRESS: Hands-on with the OpenMoko Phone

2007-07-25 Thread michael
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007, Marcel de Jong wrote: On 7/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Jason Elwell writes: http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2007/07/hands-on-with-t.html Thanks for posting that -- certainly whetted my appetite.

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-25 Thread Ortwin Regel
On 7/26/07, Mathew Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So there is still no forum solution that I know of that allows me to download the full content of all posts I haven't read yet, and read them on a random small device (e.g. a Treo650, or a Nokia N800, or a Sharp Zaurus) that supports

RE: email vs forum

2007-07-25 Thread John Seghers
Ortwin Regel wrote: The screen size argument also doesn't work too well as the Neo has 640*480 which is plenty and an official forum would obviously make sure to fit well into that resolution. I'm sure it will fit well...but will you actually be able to read it without a magnifying glass?

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-25 Thread Robin Paulson
On 7/26/07, Mathew Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So there is still no forum solution that I know of that allows me to download the full content of all posts I haven't read yet, and read them on a random small device (e.g. a Treo650, or a Nokia N800, or a Sharp Zaurus) that supports offline

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-25 Thread Nick Johnson
On 7/26/07, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not yet found a forum that allows you to have all new messages emailed to you, or to have *all* past messages since *exactly* the last message you saw provided to you by an RSS feed (all the feeds I've seen will give you the last N messages,

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-25 Thread Mathew Davis
So there is still no forum solution that I know of that allows me to download the full content of all posts I haven't read yet, and read them on a random small device (e.g. a Treo650, or a Nokia N800, or a Sharp Zaurus) that supports offline email reading and replying. Sounds like a good

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-25 Thread Rod Whitby
Robin Paulson wrote: On 7/26/07, Mathew Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So there is still no forum solution that I know of that allows me to download the full content of all posts I haven't read yet, and read them on a random small device (e.g. a Treo650, or a Nokia N800, or a Sharp

RE: email vs forum

2007-07-25 Thread John Seghers
Giles Jones wrote: On 25 Jul 2007, at 23:09, John Seghers wrote: I'm sure it will fit well...but will you actually be able to read it without a magnifying glass? Having owned a VGA PDA with similar screen size I can say that the resolution helps with readability. Hopefully with

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-25 Thread Ian Stirling
Rod Whitby wrote: I have no problem with OpenMoko creating a forum for end users. As a developer, I won't be going there regularly. I might drop in now and again to see what the signal to noise ratio is. Why? Simply because the only time of the day where I can spare 60 minutes to catch up on

RE: qemu trouble...

2007-07-25 Thread John Seghers
Did you run modprobe gadgetfs default_uid=your uid before running QEMU? I get continual kernel ring messages (dmesg, also reported in syslog) of: dummy_udc dummy_udc: dequeued req deb73c40 from ep-c, len 4096, buf Additionally, there are three lines output from QEMU's stdout/err:

Re: qemu trouble...

2007-07-25 Thread Giles Jones
On 25 Jul 2007, at 23:42, John Seghers wrote: Did you run modprobe gadgetfs default_uid=your uid before running QEMU? I get continual kernel ring messages (dmesg, also reported in syslog) of: dummy_udc dummy_udc: dequeued req deb73c40 from ep-c, len 4096, buf Additionally,

Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-25 Thread Rod Whitby
I have no problem with OpenMoko creating a forum for end users. As a developer, I won't be going there regularly. I might drop in now and again to see what the signal to noise ratio is. Why? Simply because the only time of the day where I can spare 60 minutes to catch up on project

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-25 Thread Robin Paulson
On 7/26/07, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So there is still no forum solution that I know of that allows me to download the full content of all posts I haven't read yet, and read them on a random small device (e.g. a Treo650, or a Nokia N800, or a Sharp Zaurus) that supports offline

Duplicate Message Remover for Thunderbird

2007-07-25 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hey Moko-Magicians... For those of us using Thunderbird, you can download a Duplicate Message Remover add-on from here: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/956 I just used it and took 433 messages down to like 187 just in my OpenMoko in-folder alone. Hope that helps

Re: email vs forum

2007-07-25 Thread Ian Stirling
John Seghers wrote: Ortwin Regel wrote: The screen size argument also doesn't work too well as the Neo has 640*480 which is plenty and an official forum would obviously make sure to fit well into that resolution. I'm sure it will fit well...but will you actually be able to read it

Re: camera? yes please! ..

2007-07-25 Thread Florent THIERY
.. count me in for a definite yes-vote for the camera, i believe it is an excellent user interface .. Video-based UI is indeed a seducing concept, and the neo could be a great experimentation device. However this requires the camera to see you while operating, which is geometrically opposed to

Re: email vs forum

2007-07-25 Thread Knight Walker
On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 03:39:08PM +0200, ramsesoriginal wrote: nice. And now explain this to your Grandmother. Because as Einstein said: you have only understood something whe you can explain it to your grandmother. For you it's easy to say that you simply have to use IMAP, but the average

Re: email vs forum

2007-07-25 Thread Giles Jones
On 25 Jul 2007, at 23:09, John Seghers wrote: ficial forum would obviously make sure to fit well into that resolution. I'm sure it will fit well...but will you actually be able to read it without a magnifying glass? Having owned a VGA PDA with similar screen size I can say that the

Re: Appeals to Linux hardware hackers?

2007-07-25 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 25.07.2007 um 21:14 schrieb Giles Jones: Hi, I was thinking, there's a few people who are spending time hacking away at HTC devices to get Linux running on them. While it is commendable they would be better to help us with OpenMoko. Maybe we could appeal to them if we're not already

Re: Order related inquiries

2007-07-25 Thread rukhsana ansari
Thanks. This worked for me. I was using the state abbreviation along with the postal code. -Rukhsana William Lai wrote: On Jul 25, 2007, at 12:16 PM, Myk Melez wrote: rukhsana ansari wrote: Hi, I'd like to order another phone online but am unable to do so for the past several days.

Re: Appeals to Linux hardware hackers?

2007-07-25 Thread Giles Jones
On 25 Jul 2007, at 20:21, Jay Vaughan wrote: For sure the efforts of the Zaurus crowd, the GP2X crowd, the OLPC crowd, the Nokia 770 crowd, and the iPod Linux crowd can be exploited with OpenMoko .. so much diversity is inevitable, and good imho .. True, but why buy a device

Re: OK, the forum is coming..

2007-07-25 Thread Giles Jones
On 25 Jul 2007, at 19:56, Jeff Andros wrote: WARNING: replies to multiple messages Richard said: If they were interested in developing, they would follow the wiki as it is the only source for finding development specs, cvs links, walkthroughs, etc. Some of us are waiting for

Appeals to Linux hardware hackers?

2007-07-25 Thread Giles Jones
Hi, I was thinking, there's a few people who are spending time hacking away at HTC devices to get Linux running on them. While it is commendable they would be better to help us with OpenMoko. Maybe we could appeal to them if we're not already on their radar. Thoughts? Giles.