Re: What happened to the order?

2007-07-28 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Let me check on this today. As I'm sure it's obvious to most of you now, we're having a heck of a time with logistics this first time around. Please accept my sincere apologies. I promise we will get much better really soon. I sure hope so. I will order mine from

Re: What happened to the order?

2007-07-28 Thread Asbjørn Sannes
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 07/28/2007 Asbjørn Sannes wrote: If I understood correctly orders within the U.S. was shipped first, and then international developers would get their phones.. I have received three e-mails from openmoko: AutoReply: OpenMoko direct order, Your OpenMoko direct

Re: 3G sim cards

2007-07-28 Thread Scott Rushforth
Minor update on the cingular/att 3g sim issue: I tested my device out this evening with a t-mobile prepaid sim (2g), and I am able to make outgoing calls successfully. Even got the audio working after some fuss ;) So anyhow, seems like its definitely due to either the cingular/att network

Re: 3G sim cards

2007-07-28 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 No, for Neo GTA01 it's probably a focus on software. Guess they did not find a better GSM/UMTS module in time. Andreas Xamindar wrote: Whao, I didn't know that. I assumed it at least had edge. That totally sucks if it is only has GPRS. What is

Re: Phone emulator under Gentoo?

2007-07-28 Thread Nelson Castillo
On 7/27/07, Xamindar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # ls /usr/lib64/libSDL* /usr/lib64/libSDL-1.2.so.0 /usr/lib64/libSDL.la /usr/lib64/libSDL_net-1.2.so.0.0.7 /usr/lib64/libSDL_net.so /usr/lib64/libSDL-1.2.so.0.11.1 /usr/lib64/libSDLmain.a /usr/lib64/libSDL_net.a

OpenMoko future.

2007-07-28 Thread Sébastien Lorquet
(This is a suite to laforge's message on gsmd-devel) hello, I'm a little disappointed about laforge's message :( Targetting geeks only will never help to make OpenMoko known. Even if our resources are limited, I think we should interest other firms in opensource, to show them the benefits of

AT command test suite

2007-07-28 Thread Shakthi Kannan
Hi, I have been looking for an AT command test suite that can be run on the host. I've tried: 1. Minicom: Keying in AT commands has to be done manually. I tried using the built-in runscript feature to automate the process, for example: send AT send AT+CGMM exit or send AT send

Re: OpenMoko future.

2007-07-28 Thread Visti Andresen
On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:19:18 +0200 Sébastien Lorquet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (This is a suite to laforge's message on gsmd-devel) hello, I'm a little disappointed about laforge's message :( Targetting geeks only will never help to make OpenMoko known. Even if our resources are limited,

Re: OpenMoko future.

2007-07-28 Thread Rod Whitby
Visti Andresen wrote: Sébastien Lorquet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (This is a suite to laforge's message on gsmd-devel) I'm a little disappointed about laforge's message :( Targetting geeks only will never help to make OpenMoko known. They are planning to sell it to your mom and dad:

Re: OpenMoko future.

2007-07-28 Thread Jim McDonald
Rod Whitby wrote: Visti Andresen wrote: Sébastien Lorquet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (This is a suite to laforge's message on gsmd-devel) I'm a little disappointed about laforge's message :( Targetting geeks only will never help to make OpenMoko known. They are planning to

Back up of the Factory Bad Block Table BBT, needed or a waste of time?

2007-07-28 Thread Visti Andresen
I'm probably going to receive my Neo next Monday (the joy). Therefor I'm curious about backing up important data from the device before I start to playing around with it. As far as I can tell there are to bits of important data? The gpsd and The Factory-programmed NAND bad block information

Re: OpenMoko future.

2007-07-28 Thread Giles Jones
On 28 Jul 2007, at 14:49, Jay Vaughan wrote: Fact is: its easier and easier for bright teams to engineer their own hardware, and openmoko is a case in point. lets not forget the open part of this equation, and instead why don't we just leave the future direction of things, indeed,

Re: An idea of sorts

2007-07-28 Thread Ian Stirling
Max Giesbert wrote: sounds like an excellent idea to me. would definitely be a killer application to use the phone in a peer-to-peer style without using the telco network. UI-wise this could be realized in organizing the addressbook more like a IM client where you can see if your buddies are in

Re: An idea of sorts

2007-07-28 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Saturday 28 July 2007 15:59:52 Giles Jones wrote: An easy way to install new software would be to be able to email it to your phone and use the phone's wifi to download the email. Of course security would have to be present to stop it installing anything received in an email. I would much

Re: An idea of sorts

2007-07-28 Thread Thomas Szukala
Giles Jones wrote: On 28 Jul 2007, at 14:23, Max Giesbert wrote: sounds like an excellent idea to me. would definitely be a killer application to use the phone in a peer-to-peer style without using the telco network. UI-wise this could be realized in organizing the addressbook more like a IM

Re: OpenMoko future.

2007-07-28 Thread Jim McDonald
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: I don't see our statements as conflicting. Harald is our lead system level architect. His job is to focus on his task at hand and deliver a stable, high performance system. He's trying to give the geeks what they want first. Which is great, the concern was around

Re: AT command test suite

2007-07-28 Thread Andy Powell
On Saturday 28 July 2007 12:52, Shakthi Kannan wrote: It works. But, it is under public domain. Do you think it will be good to tweak it (and put it under GPL) so it can be used to test Neo on Why do you feel the need to apply the GPL to this? It's in the public domain - leave it there.

Java games for openMoko

2007-07-28 Thread John Smith
Hello, I'm sorry but I'm new to the openMoko system. So my question, is it possible to play java games, like for other mobiles, on the openMoko? I know, they must be compiled for it. But is it possible to play in the same, easy way, some java games? Thanks, John

Email Problems????

2007-07-28 Thread Steve Grevemeyer
All, Is it just me or do other have problems trying to email anyone @openmoko.com ?? I've been trying to get any information on my order for weeks. I consistently get an delay response: The original message was received at Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:02:43 -0400 from

another GPS idea - speed-sensitive voicemail

2007-07-28 Thread Mark Eichin
Use case: When I'm walking around, I'll answer the phone. When I'm driving, I won't (one phonecall == two beers worth of distraction)... but am willing to pull over if the caller thinks it's important enough. I shouldn't have to *tell* the phone what mode I'm in: GPS can provide

Re: 3G sim cards

2007-07-28 Thread Mark Eichin
and I am able to make outgoing calls successfully. Even got the audio working after some fuss ;) What fuss in particular? I can play audio with madplay, but have yet to get phone calls to use the speaker (the dialer connects and picks up fine...)

Re: AT command test suite

2007-07-28 Thread Shakthi Kannan
Hi, On 7/28/07, Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you feel the need to apply the GPL to this? It's in the public domain - leave it there. It is implemented in Perl and command-line. I thought it will be valuable to write a perl-GTK GUI [1] application for it, so an end-user can

Re: Java games for openMoko

2007-07-28 Thread Shakthi Kannan
Hi, On 7/27/07, John Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So my question, is it possible to play java games, like for other mobiles, on the openMoko? Please see: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage#Java -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com

Re: 3G sim cards

2007-07-28 Thread Scott Rushforth
Mark Eichin wrote: and I am able to make outgoing calls successfully. Even got the audio working after some fuss ;) What fuss in particular? I can play audio with madplay, but have yet to get phone calls to use the speaker (the dialer connects and picks up fine...) Right before you

Re: Placing an order for September Release of FIC Neo.

2007-07-28 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Ian Stirling wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any way to place an order now for the public release of the consumer targeted FIC NEO to come out after September. I dont want to purchase the current version but want to place an order asap for the public release version with Wifi etc.

Re: AT command test suite

2007-07-28 Thread Andy Powell
On Saturday 28 July 2007 20:11, Shakthi Kannan wrote: Hi, On 7/28/07, Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you feel the need to apply the GPL to this? It's in the public domain - leave it there. It is implemented in Perl and command-line. I thought it will be valuable to write a

Re: Java games for openMoko

2007-07-28 Thread Ortwin Regel
Remember that the Neo doesn't have the buttons for games. The touchscreen can only do one button at a time, so an external gamepad (USB or Wiimote) would be necessary. Ortwin On 7/27/07, John Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm sorry but I'm new to the openMoko system. So my question,

Re: AT command test suite

2007-07-28 Thread Shakthi Kannan
Hi, On 7/28/07, Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All very laudable goals, but that's not the question I asked. Because we can enhance the existing Perl code, which is old, dated at 2001, and we want everyone to share the code and benefit from it. -- Shakthi Kannan

Re: voice command line (was: ssh to a phone ... thats awesome !!)

2007-07-28 Thread Gilles Casse
Several attractive links for French language Gilles Demo Perlbox-voice-fr using eSpeak + Sphinx2 http://download.tuxfamily.org/perlboxfr/video/perlbox-voice-fr-demo.flv commands prefixed by keyword:

Re: another GPS idea - speed-sensitive voicemail

2007-07-28 Thread Ian Stirling
Mark Eichin wrote: Use case: When I'm walking around, I'll answer the phone. When I'm driving, I won't (one phonecall == two beers worth of distraction)... but am willing to pull over if the caller thinks it's important enough. I shouldn't have to *tell* the phone what mode I'm in:

Re: 3G sim cards

2007-07-28 Thread Daniel Willmann
On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 15:06:00 -0400 Mark Eichin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and I am able to make outgoing calls successfully. Even got the audio working after some fuss ;) What fuss in particular? I can play audio with madplay, but have yet to get phone calls to use the speaker (the

Re: another GPS idea - speed-sensitive voicemail

2007-07-28 Thread Eric van Horssen
Mark Eichin wrote: Use case: When I'm walking around, I'll answer the phone. When I'm driving, I won't (one phonecall == two beers worth of distraction)... but am willing to pull over if the caller thinks it's important enough. I shouldn't have to *tell* the phone what mode I'm in:

RE: Email Problems????

2007-07-28 Thread Heilpern, Mark
I've had a very different problem... 3 times I've replied to my order asking for an invoice, and 2 of them definitely went though, however my only response was "our records show your request has been fulfilled" (and yet I've neither received an invoice nor a reply that suggests it's not

Re: Real Time Audio (SCHED_FIFO)

2007-07-28 Thread Esben Stien
Brad Midgley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: tell us the big picture for what you want to do I want to be able to have real time low latency drop out free audio, which is not possible without jack. This is especially crucial for a phone or anything that deals with audio;). I've heard now that JACK

dfu-util on Mac OS X

2007-07-28 Thread Krzysztof Kajkowski
Hi! I managed to compile dfu-util on my Mac. Here's very short (and dirty) hack: First install libusb: sudo port install libusb Get dfu-util: svn co http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/ run ./autogen.sh Then, for some reason, my libusb lib was not detected. I needed to set my paths

Re: Placing an order for September Release of FIC Neo.

2007-07-28 Thread Steve
Shachar Shemesh wrote: Ian Stirling wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any way to place an order now for the public release of the consumer targeted FIC NEO to come out after September. I dont want to purchase the current version but want to place an order asap for the public release

Re: Java games for openMoko

2007-07-28 Thread Steven Milburn
This one-button-at-a-time is not an uncommon to existing phones. Many phone keypads are implemented in such a way that they do not register multiple key presses at the same time. For instance, when playing the Asphalt Urban GT 3D, a Java game, on my A707, I cannot both accelerate and turn at the

Re: another GPS idea - speed-sensitive voicemail

2007-07-28 Thread Andy Powell
On Saturday 28 July 2007 21:17, Eric van Horssen wrote: Something like Asterix (don't know the full possibilities of Asterix though) He was a character in popular French cartoon by Goscinny and Uderzo, he could do lots and lots of things... He probably would have used Asterisk if it had

Re: Placing an order for September Release of FIC Neo.

2007-07-28 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 7/28/07, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shachar Shemesh wrote: Ian Stirling wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any way to place an order now for the public release of the consumer targeted FIC NEO to come out after September. I dont want to purchase the current version but

Re: An idea of sorts

2007-07-28 Thread Knight Walker
On Sat, 2007-07-28 at 15:36 +0100, Giles Jones wrote: ipkg is based on dpkg, it's more lightweight. It's also a bit more than just a dpkg clone, since it includes repositories and such. Don't get me wrong, we need package management, it's just that I've owned Windows Mobile phones and

Re: Phone emulator under Gentoo?

2007-07-28 Thread Xamindar
Someone else mentioned the gcc version might cause a problem. Im going to look into that. white-rabbit src # gcc-config -l [1] x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-3.3.6 [2] x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-4.1.2 [3] x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-4.2.0 * Nelson Castillo wrote: On 7/27/07, Xamindar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: An idea of sorts

2007-07-28 Thread Mickael Faivre-Macon
On 7/28/07, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One BIG problem; wouldn't this type of routing require you to periodically broadcast your ID number. This would be great, if it wasn't you phone number, but it does create the potential for people to snoop for phone numbers We would need a incoming

Re: Phone emulator under Gentoo?

2007-07-28 Thread Xamindar
Henryk Pltz wrote: Please post the full error message that the qemu configure gives. Here is the output of configure: white-rabbit qemu-neo1973 # ./configure WARNING: "gcc" looks like gcc 4.x Looking for gcc 3.x Found "gcc32" Install prefix /usr/local BIOS directory

Re: Phone emulator under Gentoo?

2007-07-28 Thread Xamindar
Thanks for your help guys! It appears that I had to change my compiler to version 3.3.6 and now configure found SDL. I am compiling it right now and hopefully it will work. Thanks again for your help. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list

RE: another GPS idea - speed-sensitive voicemail

2007-07-28 Thread David S Gathright
Some friends at work and I were talking about a speed-sensitive configuration option, too--one that selects ringing profiles. For example, when you're at a speed greater than, say, 20 mph, more than likely you're in a noisy environment and you'd want your phone to ring slightly louder. When

Re: OpenMoko Forums Update...

2007-07-28 Thread Jonathon Suggs
Kyle Bassett wrote: Hello Everyone, forums.makeopensource.com is online and running. For those of you who are unable to use the forums on a consistent basis, I am actively searching for a solution for integrating the mailing lists, NNTP, and forums; as one community. I am setting up a second