Neo case-modding ? (was Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue)

2007-11-08 Thread Werner Almesberger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The centered, 4.5 Diag *Finger Touch* screen with one thumb width of grip space on either end of a basically rectangular device is a Golden Form Factor. Interesting, so we got it almost right ? Screen size is of course different, but you could probably case-mod the

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-08 Thread Mikko J Rauhala
On to, 2007-11-08 at 06:29 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this case it is a very valid issue and definitely not a complaint or a whine. It can become one quickly if everyone keeps mulling it over without adding anything new. It basically tanks one of the largest consumer bases and it

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-08 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hi, I'm still pressing on the GSM firwmare update. TI is supposed to have an answer for us, and we've been calling them daily. They are incredibly difficult to catch. (Same problem with Global Locate regarding the GPS driver) Michael ian douglas wrote: Al Johnson wrote: We should find

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-08 Thread Michael Shiloh
I was a little imprecise here. The circuit design, and thus board layout, is what limits the handset to 3 bands. The components selected (along with firmware and certification) select the 900/1800/1900MHz bands. Michael Randall Mason wrote: Michael said above that it was a question of a

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-08 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In this case it is a very valid issue and definitely not a complaint or a whine. It basically tanks one of the largest consumer bases and it tanks my project in my company until I find something else. You left out one important part in your mail below. Will GPS work without trouble, is it in

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-08 Thread Mike Hodson
On Nov 8, 2007 12:29 AM, Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, ok, the NEO does NOT support 850/1900 MHz band, this is an issue, FIC is informed of that and i think that they are evaluating the ONLY 850 is turned off. 1900 works fine. Coverage may be sproadic or nonexistent

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-08 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
We were willing to wait for the commercial version to start our development, but if that is not going to be functional in the USA in remote areas like other cellphones, then it is lights-out for any possible future vendor here in the USA who want to incorporate this in to an existing product

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-08 Thread Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: In this case it is a very valid issue and definitely not a complaint or a whine. It basically tanks one of the largest consumer bases and it tanks my project in my company until I find something else. Well the man at FIC (Michael) said that this issue is being

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-08 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Randall Mason wrote: How are there so many people who know so little about cell phones, GPS, and PDAs that claim to be supporting projects on this phone? I would challenge you on that flame Mr Ignoramus. I dont have to prove anything to you as I dont need your sanction. How did you convince

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-08 Thread Randall Mason
iPhone doesn't have GPS, so how does that fit your mythical project? GPS works in the US. It is a US invention. It is owned by the US. It is run by the US. We donate it to the world. Why would it not work in the US? It works EVERYWHERE, that's why it's called Global Positioning System. How

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-08 Thread kenneth marken
On Thursday 08 November 2007 16:44:45 Randall Mason wrote: iPhone doesn't have GPS, so how does that fit your mythical project? GPS works in the US. It is a US invention. It is owned by the US. It is run by the US. We donate it to the world. Why would it not work in the US? It works

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-08 Thread Ted Lemon
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 03:44 +0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: (Same problem with Global Locate regarding the GPS driver) It might be nice to just send out the old module, even if it theoretically isn't useful, because somebody might be willing to hack it to make it work. Right now we have nothing.

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-08 Thread David Schlesinger
I wouldn't have imagined I'd see a less productive contribution than the _rest_ of this discussion, but I guess it goes to show how mistaken one can be. I won't be hurt if you don't use GPS. On 11/8/07 8:08 AM, kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 08 November 2007 16:44:45

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-08 Thread Randall Mason
I want to apologize for this post. This post has nothing to do with community. It is just insulting to many people. I was wrong to post this and I hope the people who felt insulted will accept my apology. Stupid posts like mine are something that just drive people apart and that is NOT

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-08 Thread Alan McSwain
Sorry. I was unclear. I was thinking from apples perspective. Releasing an application development kit is likely to increase the pressure on apple to add both Bluetooth gps and keyboard support. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 8, 2007, at 8:40 AM, Doug Sutherland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-08 Thread Alan McSwain
Mason... I think we are all terribly frustrated with the events of the last few days and I think this frustration is amplified by how much we all desire to see OpenMoko to succeed. We all want the perfect smartphone. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 8, 2007, at 9:08 AM, Randall Mason [EMAIL

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-08 Thread Doug Sutherland
Alan wrote: Adding gps to the iPhone is likely to be a minor Bluetooth driver project. But you don't have source, so this minor project becomes impossible. The only way that is going to happen is if/when Apple integrates such driver support into the device. --

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-08 Thread William Weinberg
I understand distrust of the availability and governance of GPS services by parties outside (and inside) the US, but there is a valid PoV that the rest of world rides free on those demonic US DoD funded satellites. Let's use up more discussion bandwidth cursing the darkness. David Schlesinger

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-08 Thread Alan McSwain
Adding gps to the iPhone is likely to be a minor Bluetooth driver project. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 8, 2007, at 7:44 AM, Randall Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: iPhone doesn't have GPS, so how does that fit your mythical project? GPS works in the US. It is a US invention. It is owned by

Let's move on to other issues

2007-11-08 Thread Ron Jeffries
We have beaten the 850 Mhz issue to death. Likewise... Apple iPhone form factor and GUI is cool and Oh my God, Google's Gphone is the end of civilization (and OpenMoko). Let's shift our group energy to helping the OpenMoko team make this a killer open source phone + PDA product. Remember that

highly offtopic but oh so fun :D

2007-11-08 Thread kenneth marken
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Re: Let's move on to other issues

2007-11-08 Thread Evgeny Ginzburg
Ron Jeffries wrote: We have beaten the 850 Mhz issue to death. Likewise... Apple iPhone form factor and GUI is cool and Oh my God, Google's Gphone is the end of civilization (and OpenMoko). Let's shift our group energy to helping the OpenMoko team make this a killer open source phone + PDA

Re: highly offtopic but oh so fun :D

2007-11-08 Thread Doug Sutherland
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i'm going to lose my neo....

2007-11-08 Thread Robin Paulson
i know i will, it's a certainty. i lost a phone 2 weeks ago and another in June i know it's got a gps and can e-mail/text us where it is, but that will only work if someone doesn't re-flash it and has other caveats on it working. Besides, I'd rather it not get that far away from me, i want to

Re: i'm going to lose my neo....

2007-11-08 Thread Jeff Andros
there was another one... it was a pair of little metal boxes... you stuck one to the object... the other one would sound an alarm if you walked away On 11/8/07, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff Andros wrote: Thinkgeek used to sell something like this, but I couldn't find it on

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-08 Thread Ted Lemon
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 23:46 +0100, AVee wrote: I think it whould help an awfull lot, it would allow you to switch firmware before leaving to an 850 or 900 area. In a lot af cases that will involve a air travel and a somewhat longer stay in the 'other frequency' area. If it could be just

Battery time

2007-11-08 Thread Oliver Uvman
Hi! So for the longest time, I've been worrying about the battery life of the Neo. Before I buy the GTA02, it is something I'd love to know. The wiki has entries talking about which power management things are implemented and which aren't, and I assume this will increase over time. On the iPhone

Re: i'm going to lose my neo....

2007-11-08 Thread AVee
On Thursday 08 November 2007 23:45, andy selby wrote: what i would like is a (v. small) device that i can carry in my wallet, or somewhere, that sounds a reminder (on the phone, or external device) when it moves out of range. How about hacking a bluetooth dongle to sound an alarm when the

Re: i'm going to lose my neo....

2007-11-08 Thread ian douglas
Jeff Andros wrote: Thinkgeek used to sell something like this, but I couldn't find it on their site... look around, they're out there It was a USB dongle to lock your PC if you moved outside a certain range, if I recall. I remember seeing it too at one point, but the software for the gadget

Re: i'm going to lose my neo....

2007-11-08 Thread kenneth marken
On Friday 09 November 2007 00:15:09 AVee wrote: On Thursday 08 November 2007 23:45, andy selby wrote: what i would like is a (v. small) device that i can carry in my wallet, or somewhere, that sounds a reminder (on the phone, or external device) when it moves out of range. How about

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-08 Thread AVee
On Wednesday 07 November 2007 21:39, Tommi Virtanen wrote: The only reason USA picked non-standard frequencies was because they had already licensed the 900 and 1800 MHz bands to something else. Just totaly useless curiousity, but does anyone know what these bands are used for in the US? --

Re: i'm going to lose my neo....

2007-11-08 Thread andy selby
what i would like is a (v. small) device that i can carry in my wallet, or somewhere, that sounds a reminder (on the phone, or external device) when it moves out of range. How about hacking a bluetooth dongle to sound an alarm when the thing is out of range of its paired device (the neo), but

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-08 Thread Doug Sutherland
I forgot to mention, with the modules I have looked at and also worked with, you send a command over the serial port to switch bands. That is all. Regarding the board design dilemma, I suppose that means the antenna as is probably part of the pcb board is not tuned to be quad band. It must be

Re: i'm going to lose my neo....

2007-11-08 Thread Jeff Andros
On 11/8/07, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what i would like is a (v. small) device that i can carry in my wallet, or somewhere, that sounds a reminder (on the phone, or external device) when it moves out of range. it doesn't have to be any fancy bluetooth or wi-fi or GPS thing, some

Re: i'm going to lose my neo....

2007-11-08 Thread Florent Delvaille
My idea was an application to : when you lost your Neo, send a special SMS with the cellular phone of a friend, to your Neo. The goal is that the Neo will answer the coordinates X and Y with GPS. Maybe in the future transform coordinates to an real adress... 2007/11/8, Robin Paulson [EMAIL

Re: i'm going to lose my neo....

2007-11-08 Thread Henryk Plötz
Moin, Am Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:22:24 +1300 schrieb Robin Paulson: ideas? any other absent-minded daydreamers out there? is RFID the way to go? are there any unlicensed parts of the radio spectrum that are free for use by anyone using low-powered radio transmitters? It should be possible to get

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-08 Thread Doug Sutherland
You should not have to switch firmware for the different bands. That would be insanity. A quad band module should be able to use one image for everything. That apparently isn't the case at the moment, but it should be, and hopefully they are working towards that end. Not sure what the deal is with

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

2007-11-08 Thread AVee
On Thursday 08 November 2007 17:14, Ted Lemon wrote: On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 03:44 +0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: Even if you have a build option for 850 vs. 900, that's not a good solution - I want a phone that works everywhere, not a phone that works everywhere close to me. I think it

Greetings

2007-11-08 Thread Tomi N/A
Hi everyone, I just joined the list after having read the last month or so worth of archives and can only say...I'm simply not buying a phone until I can buy the first Neo, one that comes equipped with WiFi. I've never paid for a phone more than 15 euros (usually signing a yearly contract

Re: i'm going to lose my neo....

2007-11-08 Thread Randall Mason
I don't see why you don't do this with bluetooth. If you have a headset that you will always have in your bag or on your person (ie. it doesn't get left behind with your phone if you leave) you can run this script on your Neo. You just have it constantly pinging the headset and testing the rssi

Re: Battery time

2007-11-08 Thread John Locke
Hello, I was running Qtopia for 5 or 6 weeks, and under that, I was getting about 5 hours of time tops, whether I used the phone or not. The battery indicator has 5 bars, and after a good 4 hours, there would still be 3 bars left (60%, or so you might think). But by that point, the power dropped