Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

2007-08-24 Thread Lorn Potter
Tilman Baumann wrote: I like Qtopie too. Especially considering how well they could handle embedded guis for years. But in reallity. qt and c++ is a limitation. Look how far Opie was evolved during the last years and how god id was from the beginning. But it still was more or less

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

2007-08-24 Thread Lorn Potter
off list. Just between you and me... there will be some great announcements in the next few weeks. wim delvaux wrote: HI all, Champion of open source and user of familiar on Ipaq when time was new, i wonder if it was such a good idea to rewrite from scratch an entire GUI system.

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

2007-08-24 Thread Lorn Potter
Brad Midgley wrote: Lorn Just between you and me... there will be some great announcements in the next few weeks. I think you just said the loud part quiet and the quiet part loud (a simpsons reference :) doh! ___ OpenMoko community mailing

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

2007-08-24 Thread Lorn Potter
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007, Tilman Baumann wrote: Am 24.08.2007 um 21:03 schrieb Lorn Potter: Tilman Baumann wrote: I like Qtopie too. Especially considering how well they could handle embedded guis for years. But in reallity. qt and c++ is a limitation. Look how far Opie was evolved during

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

2007-08-25 Thread Lorn Potter
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: Dnia piątek, 24 sierpnia 2007, wim delvaux napisał: Knowing that the device is now about 6 months late and looking at the overall stability and completeness of the GUI (List of issues is still long perhaps too long ?) I wonder if it would not

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Lorn Potter
A couple other differences, QT is C++ based, whereas GTK is C based, so depending on what your preferences are... Also, isn't GTK licenesed as LGPL, whereas QT is GPL? So commercial developers will need to pay for a seperate license for QT if they make non-GPL apps, whereas GTK's license is more

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Lorn Potter
Giles Jones wrote: Mauro Iazzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : before someone beats me to it. http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2007-09-17.9260755578 Ironic given one of their Greenphone guys was slagging the OpenMoko project a while back. That greenphone guy was me.

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Lorn Potter
Michael Schmidt wrote: Thanks, but why is the Neo phone not a small laptop? that all can be installed, at least for the needed libraries. So a GTK gui still makes sense... Greenphone then can as well join OPENMOKO platform, and if greenphone uses only QT, is then the GTK application working?

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Lorn Potter
I think that the GTK front end for the Neo has a lot of potential that the Qtopia front end may miss, so a strategy that borrows from both systems would be good for us early adopters. Er, the dev kit appears to be missing openssl, which could be a problem. Also, announcements aside, I don't

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-18 Thread Lorn Potter
Tilman Baumann wrote: Alexey Feldgendler wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:45:51 +0200, Mauro Iazzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hate to say it but in my experience at least, its a dream developing apps using QT esp given the nice IDE in comparison to using GTK. QT just has the docs and

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-19 Thread Lorn Potter
Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: On Tuesday 18 September 2007 22:58:00 Lorn Potter wrote: Not X11 like all other systems. This has better performance and is in my eyes the perfect solution for embedded devices. There is no great performance difference between x11 and fb. As long as X11 renders to FB

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-19 Thread Lorn Potter
Thomas Wood wrote: All in all, the great thing about OpenMoko and the Neo1973 is that you're free to choose whatever path you wish to take. If you want to use Qtopia on your Neo1973 then you are more than welcome to do so! There are many many different Linux distributions and probably almost as

Re: Is neo1973 dual boot possible?

2007-09-24 Thread Lorn Potter
Piotr Duda wrote: I have to admit qtopia is quite nice (sounds does not work for me right now and Updated flash image is pending. Ive managed to hang it after first 10min of intense clicking;) but I vote for the Openmoko, for the openness never seen before in mobiles, from the very begining

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-25 Thread Lorn Potter
Carlo E. Prelz wrote: Subject: Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973 Date: mar 25 set 07 08:18:31 +0200 Quoting Dani Anon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): - But QT is not free (as in beer) for commercial usage This is not the only reason why Qtopia is sub-optimal. It's not a reason at all.

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-25 Thread Lorn Potter
Dani Anon wrote: Yep, but there's this undeniable fact that having 0 entry cost invites a whole new class of developers that you wouldn't have otherwise. I think we could perfectly choose QTopia and just handicap commercial developers, either of the options is better than having two options.

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-25 Thread Lorn Potter
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 25.09.2007 um 17:20 schrieb Dani Anon: But hey I like how you conveniently left unanswered my comment about how the FBUI and DirectFB projects exist solely to remove the X server overhead. Can you explain to me and them why they are wrong and how they have

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

2007-09-25 Thread Lorn Potter
Dani Anon wrote: On 9/25/07, Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:32:46 +0200, Dani Anon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/25/07, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Carlo E. Prelz wrote: Subject: Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973 Date: mar 25 set 07 08:18

Re: Acoustic feedback

2007-10-01 Thread Lorn Potter
Michael Welter wrote: I was making some test calls using the Neo and Qtopia. When I performed the echo test (+13034144978 x820) I got repeating echos (like you see with two opposing mirrors). I used a wrong alsa state in the Qtopia tech preview image, which has an echo problem (sidetone),

Re: Acoustic feedback

2007-10-01 Thread Lorn Potter
Michael Welter wrote: Lorn Potter wrote: Michael Welter wrote: I was making some test calls using the Neo and Qtopia. When I performed the echo test (+13034144978 x820) I got repeating echos (like you see with two opposing mirrors). I used a wrong alsa state in the Qtopia tech preview

Re: Acoustic feedback

2007-10-02 Thread Lorn Potter
On Tuesday 02 October 2007 17:21, Richard Reichenbacher wrote: I posted this in the forum but never received a response. Any possibility of an official ipkg repo from trolltech so we don't have to keep reflashing? I've actually been using qtopia on my neo as an everyday phone and I hate to

qtopia flash image update

2007-10-02 Thread Lorn Potter
I have uploaded a Qtopia snapshot version flash image for the Neo. You can get it from here: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/devices/openmoko.php a brief change log: * fixed audiostate handling (including head[sets/phones]) * updated kernel to 2.6.22.5 * fixed screen dimming/blanking. * ringtones

Re: Acoustic feedback

2007-10-03 Thread Lorn Potter
On Tuesday 02 October 2007 17:21, Richard Reichenbacher wrote: I posted this in the forum but never received a response. Any possibility of an official ipkg repo from trolltech so we don't have to keep reflashing? I've actually been using qtopia on my neo as an everyday phone and I hate to

Re: qtopia flash image update

2007-10-03 Thread Lorn Potter
Heilpern, Mark wrote: Hi Lorn, Thanks for the update one problem though. In my case (and presumably the case for others), I'm not normally inserting a SIM. If I wait long enough will the lock time out since the network isn't going to register? Failing that, is there a configuration file I

Re: qtopia flash image update

2007-10-07 Thread Lorn Potter
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow! With qtopia I can actually use my neo! Battery life sucks, but oh well.. One thing tho - I cant play mp3s it says media type not supported..any ideas as to why or where to look for a more specific error message? wavs are fine, but mp3s dont work Thats because

Re: Keypad for fingers, not stylus

2007-10-10 Thread Lorn Potter
Openmoko wrote: Hi, I've started a little project: to make a keypad where it's not required to use the stylus, i.e. the fingers should be used instead. The plan is to make an alternative to the matchbox keyboard so that the new keypad can be used both in terminal, for texting etc. So far I've

Re: I'm new in this list

2007-10-13 Thread Lorn Potter
Ryan Prior wrote: Nope, no trick. QTopia just doesn't have support for power saving on Neo1973 last I heard, so the battery you're life is the battery life everybody's getting. It is an issue that will be resolved, though. It does have support for resume/suspend. We just turn it off by

Re: Trolltech drops greenphone for OpenMoko (Neo)

2007-10-23 Thread Lorn Potter
Zalunin Pavel wrote: Yeah, I think, that greenphone today is not actually project, because now Compulab created hw platform for creating smartphones for $2300 . It has sensor big sensor panel. And of couse OpenMoko Neo 1973 is better than greenphone. Qt released greenphone, but not upgraded

Re: Battery time

2007-11-09 Thread Lorn Potter
John Locke wrote: Hello, I was running Qtopia for 5 or 6 weeks, and under that, I was getting about 5 hours of time tops, whether I used the phone or not. The battery indicator has 5 bars, and after a good 4 hours, there would still be 3 bars left (60%, or so you might think). But by that

Re: Qtopia flash image 11/9

2007-11-09 Thread Lorn Potter
Richard Reichenbacher wrote: Richard Reichenbacher wrote: Lorn, I just flashed over the latest image you uploaded. Upon receiving a call, the phone does not ring, I cannot hear the other person they cannot hear me and the alarm clock doesn't ring. Odd thing though is that when I place a

Re: full-duplex audio from Wolson codec

2007-11-15 Thread Lorn Potter
rukhsana ansari wrote: Also, the default VOIP application that comes with Trolltech's QPE4.3 image for the Neo does not have sound working. This is a known issue. We haven't added QAudioState switching to the needed parts. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES,

Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needsapplications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)

2007-11-18 Thread Lorn Potter
Marcelo Lira wrote: From my POV, when people at OpenMoko decided on GTK for its paltform they are giving developers the ability to participate and influence *directly* on its development, and create great apps, both opensource and proprietary, without paying any license fees. The Nokia

Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needsapplications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)

2007-11-18 Thread Lorn Potter
Marcelo Lira wrote: License fees for Qtopia (and Qt) are a pittance compared to the fees of even one engineer for one year for any company Yes I agree with you before you said it: Look that the pricing is not the most importante issue You can influence directly the development of Qtopia

Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android -

2007-11-19 Thread Lorn Potter
Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Lorn Potter wrote: If you look at the development, both Nokia and Openmoko 'runs the show' and has the last say on their respective platforms, not the community. It is perfectly reasonable to me that Nokia and FIC get to decide the software that's installed

Re: linuxmobiles.org - a new forum

2007-11-19 Thread Lorn Potter
William Weinberg wrote: OCCAM'S RAZR - One ought not to multiply entities without necessity. VENT Why does the world need yet another mobile Linux knitting circle? Just because you can buy a domain name doesn't mean you should mint new .orgs. Sigh. Let's all fight fragmentation with more

Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android -

2007-11-21 Thread Lorn Potter
AVee wrote: On Monday 19 November 2007 14:54, Marcelo Lira wrote: Free software is worth encouraging. Status quo closed source is not. So, this is a problem, but it is ok to use free software to help the growth of a company that profits in selling licenses for closed source software?

Re: No Android on the Neo1973 - Only MyPhone left

2007-11-22 Thread Lorn Potter
On Friday 23 November 2007, AVee wrote: On Thursday 22 November 2007 10:56, Shaul Kedem wrote: Hi, One of his ways out of this is Google releasing the source and someone else compiling for ARMv4. now google said they will open the source (they have no choice, its GPLv2) so I'd wait and

Re: new Qtopia image

2007-11-27 Thread Lorn Potter
Kai Winter wrote: Very good... The SIM card seems to be recognized on every start and phone calls also work ;) But still I can't create a working GPRS connection. Is this a general problem or am I doing something wrong? Nope. It hasn't been implemented yet. Qtopia uses GPRS through the

Re: new Qtopia image

2007-11-27 Thread Lorn Potter
Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: Wiadomość napisana w dniu Nov 27, 2007, o godz 9:33 AM, przez Lorn Potter: I just uploaded a new Qtopia snapshot image to the downloads section of Qtopia.net. This introduces the new Cruxus mediaengine, which has a few plugins already, which include libmad, tremor

Re: new Qtopia image... Predictive keyboard not being predictive

2007-11-28 Thread Lorn Potter
Richard Reichenbacher wrote: I've been using the latest image from qtopia.net since it was uploaded. I just realized today when I tried to send a text that the keyboard isn't predicting anything. I checked in languages and english is selected. The predictive keyboard comes up when I go to

Re: new Qtopia image... Predictive keyboard not being predictive

2007-11-28 Thread Lorn Potter
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting clare [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, Richard Reichenbacher wrote: english is selected. The predictive keyboard comes up when I go to type a message but it just doesn't predict anything. Any ideas? Give Thanks - sorry I couuldn't resist... clare

Re: Neo1973 and Qtopia with GPS application

2007-12-30 Thread Lorn Potter
is quite same as the ones Lorn Potter releases, but mine has added two gps applications. I have made a couple of screenies here: http://www.linuxtogo.org/~goxboxlive/Neo1973/screenshots/RoadGPS.jpg and http://www.linuxtogo.org/~goxboxlive/Neo1973/screenshots/Roadmap-1.jpg http

Re: Neo1973 and Qtopia with GPS application

2008-01-01 Thread Lorn Potter
GoXbox Live wrote: Hi. I have made a Qtopia image for the Neo1973. The image is quite same as the ones Lorn Potter releases, but mine has added two gps applications. I have made a couple of screenies here: http://www.linuxtogo.org/~goxboxlive/Neo1973/screenshots/RoadGPS.jpg and http

Re: Neo fast charge utility

2008-01-02 Thread Lorn Potter
Nick Guenther wrote: Hijacking a bit: for the record, all thunder does is write fast_cccv or closed to /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgmode depending on what mode you want, and wrap that up in a nice OM GUI. Any hope for a qtopia version? I can make a script

Re: noise while making a phone call: hardware or software?

2008-01-03 Thread Lorn Potter
Richard Reichenbacher wrote: From what I can tell the noise comes and goes. When I'm in a good signal area I really don't hear it but when I'm in a bad signal area it's very loud. I asked Lorn Potter what he thought and he said it was probably a software issue. If I was told

Re: No Voice when using Voip in Qtopia

2008-01-14 Thread Lorn Potter
左 国坤 wrote: Hi, all I am using VOIP by compile Qtopia 4.3.1 Open source for Neo1973 Phase1. I need your help to clear some problems. 1, Incoming call ringtone OK, Answer OK, Hold OK, But No VOICE from Caller, and vice versa. 2, Out Call Keeping with 'Dialing' status, NO Call Tone,

Re: New to OpenMoko

2008-01-16 Thread Lorn Potter
Barry Steele wrote: Hi, I just took delivery of a neo1973 (I'm in Australia btw, Sydney). I have inserted the microSD and SIM cards and booted the machine up. I get the boot logo and then Linux tries to start but I get the following: Kernel Panic- not syncing: No init found. Try passing init=

Re: New to OpenMoko

2008-01-16 Thread Lorn Potter
Wilkinson, Alex wrote: IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. and

Re: New to OpenMoko

2008-01-16 Thread Lorn Potter
Wilkinson, Alex wrote: 0n Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 08:55:53AM +1000, Lorn Potter wrote: The neo does not come with a root filesystem, so you'll have to flash one. For me, Qtopia images from qtopia.net work great :) Ok, OpenMoko newb (waiting for FreeRunner release) - so bare with me

Re: New to OpenMoko

2008-01-16 Thread Lorn Potter
andy selby wrote: On 16/01/2008, Wilkinson, Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, OpenMoko newb (waiting for FreeRunner release) - so bare with me. Why would I use Qtopia images as opposed to OpenMoko images ? I haven't flashed an openmoko image in a while so I'm not sure how easy it is to get

Re: What are pros and cons of the different devel environments: qtopia, android, openmoko

2008-01-17 Thread Lorn Potter
Zeth Green wrote: Back to the topic, I am interested in OpenMoko for two reasons. Firstly, and most importantly, as has been previously expressed, the current Android platform proposals and similar Linux phones such as motorola's own Linux platform are thoroughly uninteresting to me so far,

Re: NO VOICE WHEN USING VOIP IN QTOPIA

2008-01-17 Thread Lorn Potter
左 国坤 wrote: Hi, Nick tks for your advice. how can i kill the gsm function in software level? if using openmoko fw, the gsm can be turned down easily, but when using Qtopia, it seems no menu to kill gsm module or process. Maybe I have to do some configure before build Qtopia source, if it

Re: NO VOICE WHEN USING VOIP IN QTOPIA

2008-01-17 Thread Lorn Potter
Lorn Potter wrote: 左 国坤 wrote: Hi, Nick tks for your advice. how can i kill the gsm function in software level? if using openmoko fw, the gsm can be turned down easily, but when using Qtopia, it seems no menu to kill gsm module or process. Maybe I have to do some configure before build

Re: NO VOICE WHEN USING VOIP IN QTOPIA

2008-01-17 Thread Lorn Potter
左 国坤 wrote: Hi, Lorn, thank you for your suggestions. I have switched to Aireplane mode after add alsactl -f /etc/gsmhandset restore to /etc/init.d/qpe on Line 64. and then restart device. But now no any call can be received and when do a out call, a warning tell me 'You can't make a

Re: NO VOICE WHEN USING VOIP IN QTOPIA

2008-01-17 Thread Lorn Potter
左 国坤 wrote: Dear Lorn, tks for your reply. Where can I DL your snapshot? Sorry for my no more information about this. Best Regards. George I am still working on voip, once I know it works for the Neo, I will put a new snapshot up at qtopia.net, and will let you know. -- Lorn

Re: Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software strategy

2008-01-28 Thread Lorn Potter
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2008-01-28.4605718236 Hm. What does this mean to the Qt distribution for the Neo? What does that mean to Maemo? Which one will be abandoned in the long run? Or will they merge? Or Qt for Nokia 810?

Re: Moko Bluetooth

2008-01-31 Thread Lorn Potter
On Friday 01 February 2008 09:31, Ilkka Urtamo wrote: Hi I got my neo last week (and very happy with it btw). I have it up and running nicely and I am now thinking where to contribute. Wiki is saying that there are plans for BT in neo but does not specify any details on that. I would be

Qtopia 4.3.1 flash image and SDK

2008-02-11 Thread Lorn Potter
Trolltech released Qtopia Phone 4.3.1 today, and with it, a new flash image and vmware based open source Qtopia SDK for the Neo. http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/ GPL Qtopia source code can be downloaded from ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/source Enjoy. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter

Re: Qtopia 4.3.1 flash image and SDK

2008-02-11 Thread Lorn Potter
Paul Eggleton wrote: Lorn Potter wrote: Trolltech released Qtopia Phone 4.3.1 today, and with it, a new flash image and vmware based open source Qtopia SDK for the Neo. Thanks Lorn. Could you also perhaps briefly mention what's new in this release? Cheers, Paul http://doc.trolltech.com

qtopia terminal app

2008-02-11 Thread Lorn Potter
One of the htc-linux guys ported embeddedkonsole/konsole 4 to Qtopia. I have done some more work on it for the Neo and created a qpk of it for the Neo running Qtopia, and put it up at qtopia.net Enjoy. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech

Re: qtopia terminal app

2008-02-11 Thread Lorn Potter
so others can take advantage of the improvements too. � thx all the changes are in tsdogs branch. Still looking into the input method not closing. goxbixlive 2008/2/11, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: One of the htc-linux guys ported embeddedkonsole/konsole

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-15 Thread Lorn Potter
clare wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2008, Lorn Potter wrote: Actually, for the 02, they are still working out the _hardware_. Except if you try to put your own system on there, a lot of the hardware is not going to work. That's because the tablet devices hardware are not well documented

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Lorn Potter
Mark Haury wrote: Marcin Juszkiewicz openembedded at haerwu.biz mailto:community%40lists.openmoko.org?Subject=FreeRunner%20delayed%20a%20further%206%20months%3F%21%3F%21%3F%3FIn-Reply-To=47DBEEE9.3090305%40gmail.com wrote on Sun Mar 16 11:02:12 CET 2008 Dnia Saturday 15 of March 2008, Mark

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Lorn Potter
clare wrote: On Sun, 16 Mar 2008, Lorn Potter wrote: The community has... it has put Qtopia on the device and made it work very reasonably, I think. The 4.3 branch is in bug fix mode, so nothing substantial there. Most work is being done for 4.4 The latest binary for Neo from

Re: video/graphics on GTA02

2008-03-26 Thread Lorn Potter
Tom Cooksey wrote: I had those questions too, I think that when 3D specs of the Glamo chip will be available, it will be possible to make some 3D-accelerated tasks, but I've no idea about the performances of this chip. Anyway I don't think it's so great... Right, but because it is local to the

Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)

2008-04-02 Thread Lorn Potter
On Wednesday 02 April 2008 18:32, Tom Cooksey wrote: On Sunday 30 March 2008 13:42:23 Harald Welte wrote: On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 07:46:52PM +0100, joerg wrote: Am Do 27. März 2008 schrieb Lally Singh: On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody

Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics

2008-04-23 Thread Lorn Potter
Tilman Baumann wrote: Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Patrick Davila wrote: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/04/22/side-by-side-video-windows-mobile-and-embedded-linux/ You have to admit the bling looks pretty. Just a question: the widgets shown are they running on X? It seems they

Re: My Openmoko blog is aimed at helping Freerunner users get started

2008-05-20 Thread Lorn Potter
On Tuesday 20 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Shiloh wrote: I've just posted about the software update that has been discussed here today, so I figured I'd take this opportunity to tell you all about my blog: Cool! Here is another FAQ entry (with a few holes to be filled in):

Re: ASU: Qtopia PIM info stored in sqlite database

2008-05-21 Thread Lorn Potter
On Thursday 22 May 2008 08:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Qtopia contacts are stored in the sqlite database. Thanks for the info Lorn. Can you tell where the sqlite database is stored or is that not Qtopia determined? The users database is /home/user/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite --

Re: clarification of Qtopia Vs. GTK

2008-05-22 Thread Lorn Potter
On Thursday 22 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had some further discussions with headquarters, and have edited my blog to try to explain the new software a little better. The important facts are that the new software: * Switches the Window Manager from Matchbox to

Re: clarification of Qtopia Vs. GTK

2008-05-23 Thread Lorn Potter
On Friday 23 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michele Renda wrote: Hi Tilman I think they prefered to use an existent project, because they need something running and to concentrate their energy to hardware part. They want to concentrate to the project of hardware, not in GUI writing.

Re: clarification of Qtopia Vs. GTK

2008-05-24 Thread Lorn Potter
On Saturday 24 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 23.05.2008 um 20:49 schrieb Lorn Potter: If anyone is in the position to change that, it's we. I don't like so sound to negative. I like most of the changes. But i think throwing the gtk apps away and replace them by the QTopia apps

Re: clarification of Qtopia Vs. GTK

2008-05-24 Thread Lorn Potter
On Saturday 24 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just wanted to add that I think Qtopia is very interesting, and I'm really looking forward to trying it on my neo, and thank you to Trolltech for helping out with getting it on X11 and on the neo, and for putting up with all the criticism. No

Re: community Digest, Vol 80, Issue 44

2008-05-24 Thread Lorn Potter
On Sunday 25 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So how about the telephony parts of QT in moko, we need to develop by ourself or use commercial version instead? Bin Qtopia Phone GPL version contains all of the parts needed. Qtopia Phone is completely open source. A Neo running Qtopia GPL is

Re: Qte or Qt?

2008-05-25 Thread Lorn Potter
On Sunday 25 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As ASU switched to Qt, to ensure the coexistence of GTK+ and QT, the backend should be chosen to X11. As I know, QTE only support framebuffer backend, so OM use desktop QT but not QTE? last year, Trolltech had done some work to get Qtopia Phone

Re: My experience with the Freerunner

2008-05-27 Thread Lorn Potter
steve wrote: Ian got a phone with the Apps based on GTK. everyone will. However, I wanted to let the community see the NEXT STEP. So the next step ( ASU) is now public. you need a GTA02 to appreciate it. and even then it's a raw first look at pre alpha software. Actually, I believe they

Re: using the openmoko neo101 in mass storage mode

2008-05-30 Thread Lorn Potter
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: manoj kumar wrote: Can the openmoko mobile be used as a mass storage device, or can it be networked with windows??? Well, from a technical point of view I agree that making the Neo to show itself as a mass storage device it's bad, but I honestly think that

Re: Freerunner test

2008-05-30 Thread Lorn Potter
On Saturday 31 May 2008, Kevin Dean wrote: On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 4:35 PM, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yorick Matthys wrote: I don't know how to post on the mailing list (shame on me, I know...) although i read every mail that gets posted on them, so I write it directly to your

Re: Freerunner test

2008-06-01 Thread Lorn Potter
Andy Green wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | If someone knows what to do to get gps device going and can instruct me, | Qtopia 4.4 has a mapping demo for testing. It has both nmea and gpsd plugins. Here is a standalone shell

Re: Yummy new CPU/GPU combo

2008-06-05 Thread Lorn Potter
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 04:26:25 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: And they use WINE to run android dev stuff on linux? My god - that beggars the imagination. I think he's talking about

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-10 Thread Lorn Potter
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Ok, a first summary: *) I still like my tap sound. *) Almost all people do not want the tap sound. *) All people do care about getting event sounds while they're playing something (needs help from a sound daemon or touching every application) *) I was wrong

Re: Click Feedback?

2008-06-11 Thread Lorn Potter
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: On Wednesday 11 June 2008 02:39:08 Lorn Potter wrote: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Ok, a first summary: *) I still like my tap sound. *) Almost all people do not want the tap sound. *) All people do care about getting event sounds while they're playing

Re: OT: Nokia expects open source developers to accept things like DRM, commercial IP rights, and SIM locks.

2008-06-13 Thread Lorn Potter
Michael T. Dean wrote: On 06/13/2008 02:47 PM, Stroller wrote: Open-source developers targeting the mobile space need to learn business rules including digital rights management, Nokia's software chief has claimed. ... Full article:

Re: handwriting recognition?

2008-06-17 Thread Lorn Potter
arne anka wrote: i looked around a bit but i cannot find informations about the state of handwriting recognition or whether it exists at all. i liked palm's old graffiti very much (the new graffiti 2 is crap) and would like to be able to use a similar approach on my freerunner, too.

Re: FSO Image gets it right

2008-06-25 Thread Lorn Potter
Graeme Gregory wrote: Well I have seen the future and the future is FSO. For the first time I have been able to make and receive phone calls on a gta02 without hassle. GTK+ software could no do this, qtopia software cannot do this. ermmm.. Qtopia makes calls just fine on both devices.

Re: FSO Image gets it right

2008-06-25 Thread Lorn Potter
Kevin Dean wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Graeme Gregory wrote: Well I have seen the future and the future is FSO. For the first time I have been able to make and receive phone calls on a gta02 without hassle. GTK+ software could no do

Re: Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread Lorn Potter
Marcus Bauer wrote: Hello, I'm wondering if there is any interest in maintaining the GTK software stack? Actually many companies have expressed their interest in a GTK based platform as it is perceived as more future proof than some kind of exotic software stack with a very small

Re: Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread Lorn Potter
Jisakiel wrote: You forget the biggest: Nokia (sells as many phones a day as iphones yet sold). 14 Nokia phones are made each second. Rest are just startups so far, or non-mobile-phone-related... And Nokia looks like interested in QTopia (as they bought Trolltech!) ;) Firefox

Re: Community Initiative GTK

2008-06-27 Thread Lorn Potter
Marcus Bauer wrote: On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 04:13 +1000, Lorn Potter wrote: Marcus Bauer wrote: Hello, I'm wondering if there is any interest in maintaining the GTK software stack? Actually many companies have expressed their interest in a GTK based platform as it is perceived as more

Re: Software Status - Shall I buy or shall I wait?

2008-07-01 Thread Lorn Potter
Ingmar RIeger wrote: Hello, I'm watching the OpenMoko Project for more than a year. And now with a available Phone with W-Lan I'm thinking, if I shall buy it now. I often read the list the last weeks but not everything is clear to me now. I'll write a list of Questions what isn't clear for

Re: VMWare Freerunner Flash

2008-07-07 Thread Lorn Potter
On Tuesday 08 July 2008, Johan Badenhorst wrote: Hi guys, I was just wondering if anyone has flashed their Freerunners using VMWare Player on Windows and if that would even be possible? Alternatively would it be possible to use colinux or a similar tool? I've been developing for Maemo

Re: Where is Qtopia image on qtopia.net for GTA01

2008-07-09 Thread Lorn Potter
Pranav Desai wrote: Hello All, I wanted to try out the Qtopia image provided by trolltech on my Neo1973, but the only image I could find was for the freerunner here http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/index.php Can I use the same one? If not then can anyone point me to correct

Re: Qtopia 4.4

2008-07-09 Thread Lorn Potter
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Is it something different from what we already have on git.openmoko.org? Since I've only heard rumors about it... Anyway what are its key-points? QtWebKit support, Freerunner support, then what else? Any release date is planned for freerunner owners? Yes,

Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?

2008-07-10 Thread Lorn Potter
dorje wrote: Hi all! :) I bought freerunner and I wanted to install qtopia on it but... I can't find what is the suggested build to install and I can't find the correct files to download, in any daily build directory! I know only that I need a .bin file for the kernel and a .jffs2 file

Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?

2008-07-10 Thread Lorn Potter
dorje wrote: Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is a Qtopia image for freerunner at qtopia.net. Thank you! :) Can I use the rootfs-gta02.tgz directly whith dfu-util or have I to build a jffs2 file? Get the Qtopia flash image for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02) file instead. http

Re: AW: Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?

2008-07-10 Thread Lorn Potter
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have build a jffs2 file; mkfs.jffs2 --pad=0x70 -o rootfs.jffs2 -e 0x4000 -n -d /tmp/jffsroot/ than, i installed the jffs2 with dfu-util...all things looks good...but when i boot this rootfs, i just see a black screen with a white underline and all ca. 20

Re: AW: Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?

2008-07-10 Thread Lorn Potter
Lorn Potter wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have build a jffs2 file; mkfs.jffs2 --pad=0x70 -o rootfs.jffs2 -e 0x4000 -n -d /tmp/jffsroot/ than, i installed the jffs2 with dfu-util...all things looks good...but when i boot this rootfs, i just see a black screen with a white

Re: AW: Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?

2008-07-10 Thread Lorn Potter
GoXbox Live wrote: Hi Lorn Could you also make images for NEO1973. Or is this image compatible with GTA01 also? gxl That one is not compatible with gta01, although the same Qtopia should be and is used for both images. I was working on that yesterday, but got sidetracked. I should

Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?

2008-07-10 Thread Lorn Potter
Kevin Dean wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get the Qtopia flash image for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02) file instead. http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 That image is the one that contains a tar.gz image of the rootfs

Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?

2008-07-10 Thread Lorn Potter
Lorn Potter wrote: Kevin Dean wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get the Qtopia flash image for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02) file instead. http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 That image is the one that contains a tar.gz image

Re: AW: Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?

2008-07-10 Thread Lorn Potter
discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download? Lorn Potter wrote: Kevin Dean wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get the Qtopia flash image for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02) file instead. http

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