Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-10 Thread Arigead
Steve Mosher wrote: We should allow for links to peoples pages. Hate to throw a spanner in the works but I think ideally the information should be on the wiki and maintained there. How up to date is the info on an external site, if it isn't maintained, or how do you know it is

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-10 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Thursday, October 09, 2008 a las 09:20:05PM +0100, Arigead escribió: Steve Mosher wrote: We should allow for links to peoples pages. Hate to throw a spanner in the works but I think ideally the information should be on the wiki and maintained there. How up to date is the

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-10 Thread Nishit Dave
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 1:50 AM, Arigead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is an external link on the GPRS wiki page to a German site for installing the GSM Multiplexor and a GUI. I've been trying to get those instructions to work for the last couple of days. I assume I'm getting something

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-10 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Friday, October 10, 2008 a las 10:07:25AM +0200, Christian Adams escribió: btw: the last days I have moved around a lot with my FR between home, office and a hospital, ... but without any reboot: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# uptime 09:31:05 up 2 days, 27 min, 1 user, load average: 0.12,

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-10 Thread Christian Adams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 10.10.2008 um 09:31 schrieb Matthias Apitz: El día Thursday, October 09, 2008 a las 09:20:05PM +0100, Arigead escribió: Steve Mosher wrote: We should allow for links to peoples pages. Hate to throw a spanner in the works but I think

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-09 Thread Xavier Bestel
On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 16:19 -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote: Just did that. I reorganized the WLAN page and incoporated a number of community suggestions, including Tom's. In particular, this should work for most people:

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-09 Thread Michael Shiloh
Sarton O'Brien wrote: On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:50:14 Steve Mosher wrote: well since this is wifi specific it needs to be referenced in the wifi section. If I had the wifi problem THAT would be the first place I looked. or in the known problem section. I can't say I'm extremely

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-09 Thread Michael Shiloh
Xavier Bestel wrote: On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 16:19 -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote: Just did that. I reorganized the WLAN page and incoporated a number of community suggestions, including Tom's. In particular, this should work for most people:

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-09 Thread Xavier Bestel
Le jeudi 09 octobre 2008 à 09:10 -0700, Michael Shiloh a écrit : Xavier Bestel wrote: I always use the manual iwconfig+udhcpc method. It works most of the time right after reboot, but often looses the network after a few minutes (sometimes it works for hals an hour). After that, redoing the

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-09 Thread Sarton O'Brien
On Friday 10 October 2008 03:05:07 Michael Shiloh wrote: All things wifi, including known issues and a link to Tom's article, are here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi Yep, but my point was that Tom's article covers way more than wifi and therefore could be indexed under

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-08 Thread Michael Shiloh
Tom Yates wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Steve Mosher wrote: Thanks, Maybe you could work with micheal to put this on the wiki. i also wrote up my positive experiences with openmoko (see at http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/openmoko-2.html , if you like). is there some mileage in a

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-08 Thread Joel Newkirk
On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 09:42:00 -0700, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Yates wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Steve Mosher wrote: Thanks, Maybe you could work with micheal to put this on the wiki. i also wrote up my positive experiences with openmoko (see at

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-08 Thread Michael Shiloh
Joel Newkirk wrote: On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 09:42:00 -0700, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Yates wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Steve Mosher wrote: Thanks, Maybe you could work with micheal to put this on the wiki. i also wrote up my positive experiences with openmoko (see at

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-08 Thread Steve Mosher
michael could you and brenda assist Tom Tom Yates wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Steve Mosher wrote: Thanks, Maybe you could work with micheal to put this on the wiki. i also wrote up my positive experiences with openmoko (see at http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/openmoko-2.html , if

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-08 Thread Michael Shiloh
Just did that. I reorganized the WLAN page and incoporated a number of community suggestions, including Tom's. In particular, this should work for most people: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi#Using_iwconfig_manually Feedback and other working examples appreciated. Michael

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-08 Thread Steve Mosher
We should allow for links to peoples pages. Michael Shiloh wrote: Tom Yates wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Steve Mosher wrote: Thanks, Maybe you could work with micheal to put this on the wiki. i also wrote up my positive experiences with openmoko (see at

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-08 Thread Steve Mosher
well since this is wifi specific it needs to be referenced in the wifi section. If I had the wifi problem THAT would be the first place I looked. or in the known problem section. Michael Shiloh wrote: Joel Newkirk wrote: On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 09:42:00 -0700, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-05 Thread Ed Kapitein
Hi Mathias, I even took it one step further. I can not get it to work properly on channel 11, so i set my accesspoint to channel 1. And i changed the script a little: Exec=xterm -e ifconfig eth0 down ; iwconfig eth0 txpower off channel 0 ; while killall wpa_supplicant; do echo 'Killing

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-05 Thread Steve Mosher
Thanks, Maybe you could work with micheal to put this on the wiki. Ed Kapitein wrote: Hi Mathias, I even took it one step further. I can not get it to work properly on channel 11, so i set my accesspoint to channel 1. And i changed the script a little: Exec=xterm -e ifconfig eth0

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-03 Thread Nishit Dave
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Nishit, The company that sold you your Freerunner offered you refund, already. I assumed that you would take this, leave the list and STOP FUCKING WHINING. I guess this was too much for me to hope for, huh? Dude, I will

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-03 Thread joakim
Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As much as I love my FR, I must admit that the whole experience had me thinking lustful thoughts about my wife's iPhone... I would say just get an iPhone. I did. Its much more fun to develop for a *platform* rather than a constant dogs-breakfast

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-02 Thread Stroller
On 1 Oct 2008, at 12:28, Nishit Dave wrote: All this discussion does not help if you realize that even after placing the FR *next* to the blooming router, you get reported a signal strength of 65%. What does the hardware expect, building the router *inside* the FR? Nishit, The

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-02 Thread vale
calm down, its a fact, that freerunners wlan is far away from optimum. try a wget shortly after doing ifup eth0 - everything works try wget some minutes later (no suspend/resume in between) from same server - no download, even if ping still works ifdown eth0, ifup eth0 - wget works again same

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-02 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Thursday, October 02, 2008 a las 06:19:30AM -0700, vale escribió: calm down, its a fact, that freerunners wlan is far away from optimum. try a wget shortly after doing ifup eth0 - everything works try wget some minutes later (no suspend/resume in between) from same server - no

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-02 Thread vale
add a sleep 500 to your loop ;) which image / kernel are you using? thx vale Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Thursday, October 02, 2008 a las 06:19:30AM -0700, vale escribió: calm down, its a fact, that freerunners wlan is far away from optimum. try a wget shortly after doing

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-02 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Thursday, October 02, 2008 a las 07:35:23AM -0700, vale escribió: add a sleep 500 to your loop ;) will do later at home and post the results; which image / kernel are you using? Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.rootfs.jffs2 Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.uImage.bin matthias --

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-02 Thread Alastair Johnson
vale wrote: add a sleep 500 to your loop ;) which image / kernel are you using? You should perhaps ask what AP he's using, or whether he has the power management enabled on the wifi. Some APs apparently get upset by power managed devices, and the Freerunner enables power management of the

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-02 Thread Warren Baird
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 9:19 AM, vale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: its a fact, that freerunners wlan is far away from optimum. [...] - wlan drivers not working well i think this should also be a high priority aspect to work on for Openmoko. I definitely agree. I was recently at a

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-02 Thread Jay Vaughan
As much as I love my FR, I must admit that the whole experience had me thinking lustful thoughts about my wife's iPhone... I would say just get an iPhone. I did. Its much more fun to develop for a *platform* rather than a constant dogs-breakfast of disaster. Until someone in the

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-02 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Thursday, October 02, 2008 a las 04:39:01PM +0100, Alastair Johnson escribió: vale wrote: add a sleep 500 to your loop ;) I run this script for an hour or so: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat wifi.sh #!/bin/sh cd /tmp while true; do rm 1M wget http://www.unixarea.de/1M date ;

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-02 Thread vale
thats cool ... wish it would work here too, but my experience is different. doesn't matter if i try @university @home @public places or @highly secured wlans with project partners. wlan gets stuck after a few minutes of inactivity. i don't know why. how can i stop this power thing over wlan?

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-02 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
vale, i think this should also be a high priority aspect to work on for Openmoko. It is, and for Atheros too. We are working on improving the driver (there are several driver variants actually), we are working on getting all of this into mainline kernel.org, we are working with Atheros

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-01 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Tuesday, September 30, 2008 a las 08:52:14PM +0800, William Kenworthy escribió: On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 14:37 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Tuesday, September 30, 2008 a las 08:11:48PM +1000, Alex Osborne escribió: Matthias Apitz wrote: I'm trying to bring up the eth0

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-01 Thread William Kenworthy
On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 10:10 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Tuesday, September 30, 2008 a las 08:52:14PM +0800, William Kenworthy escribió: On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 14:37 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: ... Hi William, A bit inspired by your commands since yesterday I have

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-01 Thread Nishit Dave
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 6:05 AM, Sarton O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I use testing and have varied success with wifi. I don't bother with trying to identify what going on by what's being reported. It has been stated on here that the issues with the driver are great enough that statistics

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-01 Thread Xavier Bestel
On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 16:58 +0530, Nishit Dave wrote: All this discussion does not help if you realize that even after placing the FR *next* to the blooming router, you get reported a signal strength of 65%. What does the hardware expect, building the router *inside* the FR? Note that

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-01 Thread Nishit Dave
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Xavier Bestel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 16:58 +0530, Nishit Dave wrote: All this discussion does not help if you realize that even after placing the FR *next* to the blooming router, you get reported a signal strength of 65%. What

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-01 Thread Xavier Bestel
On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 17:36 +0530, Nishit Dave wrote: On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Xavier Bestel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 16:58 +0530, Nishit Dave wrote: All this discussion does not help if you realize that even after

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-01 Thread Nishit Dave
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Xavier Bestel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 17:36 +0530, Nishit Dave wrote: On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Xavier Bestel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 16:58 +0530, Nishit Dave wrote: All this

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-10-01 Thread William Kenworthy
On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 16:58 +0530, Nishit Dave wrote: On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 6:05 AM, Sarton O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... All this discussion does not help if you realize that even after placing the FR *next* to the blooming router, you get reported a signal strength of

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-09-30 Thread Xavier Bestel
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 11:06 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: Hello, I'm using the Wifi-method described in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi#Using_WPA_and_.2Fetc.2Fnetwork.2Finterfaces i.e. having a working config file /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf for all my known

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-09-30 Thread Xavier Bestel
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 11:42 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Tuesday, September 30, 2008 a las 11:28:18AM +0200, Xavier Bestel escribió: On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 11:06 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: Hello, I'm using the Wifi-method described in

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-09-30 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Tuesday, September 30, 2008 a las 11:28:18AM +0200, Xavier Bestel escribió: On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 11:06 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: Hello, I'm using the Wifi-method described in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi#Using_WPA_and_.2Fetc.2Fnetwork.2Finterfaces

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-09-30 Thread vasco . nevoa
Hi all. Now that you mention this, I think the problem is Hardware based. I've bought an Asus Eee 901 :D, and now I have a means of comparison in terms of WiFi reception. My conclusion is that the Neo FR's wifi sucks. Example1: - my home AP has WPA; sitting 2 meters away from it, the FR show 50%

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-09-30 Thread Alex Osborne
Matthias Apitz wrote: I'm trying to bring up the eth0 with # ifup eth0 this works very unreliable; in (let's say) 8 of 10 cases it can't associate to the AP, even not after fresh re-boots and independently if the AP at my home works with WEP or in my office with WPA; I found that with

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-09-30 Thread Nishit Dave
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 3:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. Now that you mention this, I think the problem is Hardware based. I've bought an Asus Eee 901 :D, and now I have a means of comparison in terms of WiFi reception. My conclusion is that the Neo FR's wifi sucks. Example1: - my

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-09-30 Thread Daniel Hedblom
Im also inclined to think its a hardware/driver problem and have nothing to do with wpa_supplicant or any other highlevel stuff. I fully understand if higher stuff is left to the community but i did expect the kernel and low level stuff to work a bit better than now when i bought the phone. It

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-09-30 Thread vasco . nevoa
Okay, I've filed bug #2043 about this. Go ahead and add info if you like. https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2043 Citando Daniel Hedblom [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Im also inclined to think its a hardware/driver problem and have nothing to do with wpa_supplicant or any other highlevel stuff. I

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-09-30 Thread Alastair Johnson
Alex Osborne wrote: Matthias Apitz wrote: I'm trying to bring up the eth0 with # ifup eth0 this works very unreliable; in (let's say) 8 of 10 cases it can't associate to the AP, even not after fresh re-boots and independently if the AP at my home works with WEP or in my office with WPA;

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-09-30 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Tuesday, September 30, 2008 a las 08:11:48PM +1000, Alex Osborne escribió: Matthias Apitz wrote: I'm trying to bring up the eth0 with # ifup eth0 this works very unreliable; in (let's say) 8 of 10 cases it can't associate to the AP, even not after fresh re-boots and

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-09-30 Thread William Kenworthy
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 14:37 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Tuesday, September 30, 2008 a las 08:11:48PM +1000, Alex Osborne escribió: Matthias Apitz wrote: I'm trying to bring up the eth0 with # ifup eth0 ... matthias Hi Matthias, I am using these scripts with

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-09-30 Thread Alex Osborne
On 30/09/2008, at 10:37 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: Wireless event: cmd=0x8b1a len=18 Authentication with 00:04:e2:a1:76:0b timed out. Added BSSID 00:04:e2:a1:76:0b into blacklist Yeah. That's exactly the same sort of thing I was seeing, which clearing the essid seems to help with most of

Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

2008-09-30 Thread Sarton O'Brien
On Tuesday 30 September 2008 19:06:28 Matthias Apitz wrote: this works very unreliable; in (let's say) 8 of 10 cases it can't associate to the AP, even not after fresh re-boots and independently if the AP at my home works with WEP or in my office with WPA; what can I do? is someone willing to