Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?
Am 11.06.2012 um 22:57 schrieb Jon maddog Hall: > After a while Linus said "I do not care what you call it as long as you > use it." and things settled down for a while. I didnt know that yet. We should do the same with the Openphoenux :) Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?
Hi I think the group should be more concerned about the "ugs" part, Absolutely, ugh. And the eee also sounds alarming to me. I hear "eeek-yuck!" :-) I feel sort of idiot trying to emphasize how important I think this is. But I do. Here I go again. It's the first impression. All the connotations that bubble up with the name, define, in a split second, just how much attention people are going to give it. And all those split seconds together could make the difference between a thriving userbase or a bunch of hardcore hobbyists. Both are great goals ofcourse. But if you want to "change the world fundamentally", take the branding seriously all the way. Learning from Apple ? $2c, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?
> > I concede that you're right about Linus and Linux. The fact remains > for phoenux would still hold since it's pronounced with the same long > e sound as in Linus' name. So fee-nəks (or fee-nux) and not phon-ugs. I think the group should be more concerned about the "ugs" part, since the word "ugh" in American slang: Ugh Ugh ([oo^]), interj. An exclamation expressive of disgust, horror, or recoil. Its utterance is usually accompanied by a shudder. [1913 Webster] md ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Jon "maddog" Hall wrote: > On Mon, 2012-06-11 at 15:30 -0500, Harley Laue wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller >> wrote: >> > Linux is pronounced in english as "Line-ugs" (/ˈlɪnəks/ [1]). I.e. it >> > should be "phon-ugs". >> > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux >> >> Just as an FYI from a native speaker, /ˈlɪnəks/ would be lin-əks With >> "lin" which sounds like bin or the proper name Lynn > > Except that Linus' name is pronounced 'Lee-nus', not "Lin-us" or > "Lie-nus". Therefore if the kernel was named after him, it would have > been pronounced "Lee-nux". > > As the various groups went back and forth with the pronunciations of > "Linux", Linus created a .au file (Ogg had not been developed yet) and > put it in the kernel sources. You can listen to that audio file, > converted to .ogg, at the Wikipedia site. > > Seemingly one of the vast numbers of people could say "Lee-nux" even > with the audio file, so most either called it "Lin-nux" or "Lie-nux". > > After a while Linus said "I do not care what you call it as long as you > use it." and things settled down for a while. > > One day, after Linus had moved to California and was working for > Transmeta, I phoned him, and he answered the phone "Lye-nus". > I said "Lea-nus that is not even your name." He said '"I know, but > nobody in California can say "Lea-nus", so I am "Lye-nus"'. > > And so it goes. While it is nice that everyone pronounce the name > correctly, the most important thing is that they use your project, > including being able to find it using a search engine. > > Warmest regards, > > maddog (all lower case, one word) I concede that you're right about Linus and Linux. The fact remains for phoenux would still hold since it's pronounced with the same long e sound as in Linus' name. So fee-nəks (or fee-nux) and not phon-ugs. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?
On Mon, 2012-06-11 at 15:30 -0500, Harley Laue wrote: > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller > wrote: > > Linux is pronounced in english as "Line-ugs" (/ˈlɪnəks/ [1]). I.e. it > > should be "phon-ugs". > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux > > Just as an FYI from a native speaker, /ˈlɪnəks/ would be lin-əks With > "lin" which sounds like bin or the proper name Lynn Except that Linus' name is pronounced 'Lee-nus', not "Lin-us" or "Lie-nus". Therefore if the kernel was named after him, it would have been pronounced "Lee-nux". As the various groups went back and forth with the pronunciations of "Linux", Linus created a .au file (Ogg had not been developed yet) and put it in the kernel sources. You can listen to that audio file, converted to .ogg, at the Wikipedia site. Seemingly one of the vast numbers of people could say "Lee-nux" even with the audio file, so most either called it "Lin-nux" or "Lie-nux". After a while Linus said "I do not care what you call it as long as you use it." and things settled down for a while. One day, after Linus had moved to California and was working for Transmeta, I phoned him, and he answered the phone "Lye-nus". I said "Lea-nus that is not even your name." He said '"I know, but nobody in California can say "Lea-nus", so I am "Lye-nus"'. And so it goes. While it is nice that everyone pronounce the name correctly, the most important thing is that they use your project, including being able to find it using a search engine. Warmest regards, maddog (all lower case, one word) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > Linux is pronounced in english as "Line-ugs" (/ˈlɪnəks/ [1]). I.e. it should > be "phon-ugs". > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux Just as an FYI from a native speaker, /ˈlɪnəks/ would be lin-əks With "lin" which sounds like bin or the proper name Lynn and the 'ə' having the same sound as the 'a' in "about". It's also a 'k' sound (as in kind) here and not a 'g'. The linked wikidpedia article is quite helpful with mouse-over tooltips for the pronunciation for each letter in /ˈlɪnəks/ Thus, it would be phon-əks here by your reasoning. But because phoenux is just phoenix with the 'i' changed to a 'u', I'd pronounce it exactly the same way but with an 'ə' sound for the u. So based on the wikipedia's article: [2] pronunciation of phoenix: /ˈfiːnɪks/ I'd say phoenux would thus be: /ˈfiːnəks/ [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix,_Arizona ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?
Hi If we were voting, I'd go for OpenPhonux +1 again. Well, OpenPhonix :-) The name is derived from: Open-Phoen(ix)-(Lin)ux so its openphoenux.org Linux is pronounced in english as "Line-ugs" (/ˈlɪnəks/ [1]). I.e. it should be "phon-ugs". "Phoen" is not going to be pronounced as "foʊn" by anyone ? It will be "Feenugs" in most peoples mouth, as in Phoenic, Phoenicians and Phoenicopteriformes ( flamingos :-) ).. $2c, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?
Am 03.06.2012 um 16:02 schrieb Christoph Pulster: If we were voting, I'd go for OpenPhonux > > I vote for Openmoko2. The idea is still the same, why change > the well-known brand name ? Well, because we (the community) do not own the brand name and therefore can't use it. And, if you google for Openmoko, you will find many comments seeing it as a failure. Therefore a new bird starting over :) Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?
On 11/06/12 07:15, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: it should be "phon-ugs". That's what I should have asked about - pronunciation rather than spelling. Because (as an English speaker) I've been pronouncing OpenPhoenux as open-fee-nux (like the legendary phoenix, fee-nix or fii-nix in English). I've only just realised (Duh!) that the "oe" is an "o-umlaut" and therefore more like an "o" sound. But I think that most English speakers would make the same mistake. That's why I thought the OpenPhonux spelling was good - it forces English speakers to say it your way. (As well as looking more like "Phone" on paper.) I'll be careful to say "phon-ugs" from now on! Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?
Am 05.06.2012 um 22:30 schrieb Boudewijn: > On Monday 04 June 2012 14:49:48 Martin Jansa wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 05:03:55PM +0100, Nick Sheppard wrote: >>> On 31/05/12 16:36, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: >>> ... >>> 4. Nomenclature OpenPhoneux/GTA04 >>> This was a really informative post - thanks! But how are you going to >>> spell the new baby's name? I see Phoenux, Phoneux, and Phonux all >>> within a few lines. >> To make this naming even more confusing: >> >> Today I've noticed webOS enthusiasts calling themselves >> Phoenix International Communications >> http://phxdevices.com/ > > At least that gives them ample excuse to port webOS to GTA04 ;-) I asked them to consider the GTA04 for a port. So let's see :) BTW, we were first [1] :) [1] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-April/061191.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?
Am 02.06.2012 um 18:03 schrieb Nick Sheppard:
> On 31/05/12 16:36, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> ...
> >
> > 4. Nomenclature OpenPhoneux/GTA04
> >
> > There may be some confusion what "GTA04" and "OpenPhoneux"
> > are and what makes them different.
> >
> > We define:
> > * GTA*: the next generation motherboard(s), i.e. electronics
> > * OpenPhonux: the future "independent mobile handheld" project
> > aiming at complete devices (i.e. GTA04 + case + components)
> >
> > Currently, we run the domains www.gta04.org and
> > www.openphoenux.org. The Openphoenux.org home
> > page will be made more prominent and content rich soon.
> >
>
> This was a really informative post - thanks! But how are you going to spell
> the new baby's name? I see Phoenux, Phoneux, and Phonux all within a few
> lines.
Ah, there have been typos... Sorry.
The name is derived from:
Open-Phoen(ix)-(Lin)ux
I.e. a contraction of
* Open
* Phoenix (the bird of dreams raising from ashes)
* Linux
>
> If we were voting, I'd go for OpenPhonux, because it's roughly equal parts
> Phone, Phoenix and Linux which seems about right.
>
> Also, importantly I think, if you heard it spoken you'd probably be able to
> guess correctly how it's spelled, which helps with googling and word-of-mouth
> publicity. And it has the sound "phone" in it which helps tell people what
> it is ("Phoenux" doesn't, at least in English). And "Phoneux" looks as if it
> should be pronounced in French (or is that just me ...).
That is indeed difficult fur us all who don't have english as mother-tongue...
Linux is pronounced in english as "Line-ugs" (/ˈlɪnəks/ [1]). I.e. it should
be "phon-ugs".
>
> But of course it's the parents who should name the baby, and I'm really only
> a bystander, though soon-to-be GTA04 owner ...
>
> Nick Sheppard
Nikolaus
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
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Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?
:) 2012/6/5 Boudewijn > On Monday 04 June 2012 14:49:48 Martin Jansa wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 05:03:55PM +0100, Nick Sheppard wrote: > > > On 31/05/12 16:36, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > > > ... > > > > > > > 4. Nomenclature OpenPhoneux/GTA04 > > > This was a really informative post - thanks! But how are you going to > > > spell the new baby's name? I see Phoenux, Phoneux, and Phonux all > > > within a few lines. > > To make this naming even more confusing: > > > > Today I've noticed webOS enthusiasts calling themselves > > Phoenix International Communications > > http://phxdevices.com/ > > At least that gives them ample excuse to port webOS to GTA04 ;-) > > Boudewijn > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?
On Monday 04 June 2012 14:49:48 Martin Jansa wrote: > On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 05:03:55PM +0100, Nick Sheppard wrote: > > On 31/05/12 16:36, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > > ... > > > > > 4. Nomenclature OpenPhoneux/GTA04 > > This was a really informative post - thanks! But how are you going to > > spell the new baby's name? I see Phoenux, Phoneux, and Phonux all > > within a few lines. > To make this naming even more confusing: > > Today I've noticed webOS enthusiasts calling themselves > Phoenix International Communications > http://phxdevices.com/ At least that gives them ample excuse to port webOS to GTA04 ;-) Boudewijn smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?
On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 05:03:55PM +0100, Nick Sheppard wrote:
> On 31/05/12 16:36, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> ...
> >
> > 4. Nomenclature OpenPhoneux/GTA04
> >
> > There may be some confusion what "GTA04" and "OpenPhoneux"
> > are and what makes them different.
> >
> > We define:
> > * GTA*: the next generation motherboard(s), i.e. electronics
> > * OpenPhonux: the future "independent mobile handheld" project
> > aiming at complete devices (i.e. GTA04 + case + components)
> >
> > Currently, we run the domains www.gta04.org and
> > www.openphoenux.org. The Openphoenux.org home
> > page will be made more prominent and content rich soon.
> >
>
> This was a really informative post - thanks! But how are you going to
> spell the new baby's name? I see Phoenux, Phoneux, and Phonux all
> within a few lines.
>
> If we were voting, I'd go for OpenPhonux, because it's roughly equal
> parts Phone, Phoenix and Linux which seems about right.
>
> Also, importantly I think, if you heard it spoken you'd probably be able
> to guess correctly how it's spelled, which helps with googling and
> word-of-mouth publicity. And it has the sound "phone" in it which helps
> tell people what it is ("Phoenux" doesn't, at least in English). And
> "Phoneux" looks as if it should be pronounced in French (or is that just
> me ...).
>
> But of course it's the parents who should name the baby, and I'm really
> only a bystander, though soon-to-be GTA04 owner ...
To make this naming even more confusing:
Today I've noticed webOS enthusiasts calling themselves
Phoenix International Communications
http://phxdevices.com/
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Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux, Phonix?
Am 02.06.2012 18:36, schrieb pike: Hi If we were voting, I'd go for OpenPhonux, because it's roughly equal parts Phone, Phoenix and Linux which seems about right. From the domain name: www.openphoenux.org Which is really too bad. We arent voting, but if we were, Phonix would be my #1 (phone,unix,phoenix), and Phonux #2 (phone,linux,phoenix). What's in a name ? The message. Sales. Promotion. Visibility. Understanding. Remembering. It really cant be underestimated. phonux.com is in use, phonix.com is for sale. phoenux' #1 google hit is a "Development platform for new, non-abusable drug substitution medication." :-) For the record, I never liked "moko" either. Too German. The new phone is "Made in Germany" so "moko" is okay! $2c, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux, Phonix?
Hi If we were voting, I'd go for OpenPhonux, because it's roughly equal parts Phone, Phoenix and Linux which seems about right. From the domain name: www.openphoenux.org Which is really too bad. We arent voting, but if we were, Phonix would be my #1 (phone,unix,phoenix), and Phonux #2 (phone,linux,phoenix). What's in a name ? The message. Sales. Promotion. Visibility. Understanding. Remembering. It really cant be underestimated. phonux.com is in use, phonix.com is for sale. phoenux' #1 google hit is a "Development platform for new, non-abusable drug substitution medication." :-) For the record, I never liked "moko" either. Too German. $2c, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
