Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?

2012-06-11 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 02.06.2012 um 18:03 schrieb Nick Sheppard:

 On 31/05/12 16:36, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
 ...
 
  4. Nomenclature OpenPhoneux/GTA04
 
  There may be some confusion what GTA04 and OpenPhoneux
  are and what makes them different.
 
  We define:
  * GTA*: the next generation motherboard(s), i.e. electronics
  * OpenPhonux: the future independent mobile handheld project
  aiming at complete devices (i.e. GTA04 + case + components)
 
  Currently, we run the domains www.gta04.org and
  www.openphoenux.org. The Openphoenux.org home
  page will be made more prominent and content rich soon.
 
 
 This was a really informative post - thanks!  But how are you going to spell 
 the new baby's name?  I see Phoenux, Phoneux, and Phonux all within a few 
 lines.

Ah, there have been typos... Sorry.

The name is derived from:

Open-Phoen(ix)-(Lin)ux

I.e. a contraction of
* Open
* Phoenix (the bird of dreams raising from ashes)
* Linux

 
 If we were voting, I'd go for OpenPhonux, because it's roughly equal parts 
 Phone, Phoenix and Linux which seems about right.
 
 Also, importantly I think, if you heard it spoken you'd probably be able to 
 guess correctly how it's spelled, which helps with googling and word-of-mouth 
 publicity.  And it has the sound phone in it which helps tell people what 
 it is (Phoenux doesn't, at least in English).  And Phoneux looks as if it 
 should be pronounced in French (or is that just me ...).

That is indeed difficult fur us all who don't have english as mother-tongue...

Linux is pronounced in english as Line-ugs (/ˈlɪnəks/  [1]). I.e. it should 
be phon-ugs.

 
 But of course it's the parents who should name the baby, and I'm really only 
 a bystander, though soon-to-be GTA04 owner ...
 
 Nick Sheppard

Nikolaus


[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
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Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?

2012-06-11 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 05.06.2012 um 22:30 schrieb Boudewijn:

 On Monday 04 June 2012 14:49:48 Martin Jansa wrote:
 On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 05:03:55PM +0100, Nick Sheppard wrote:
 On 31/05/12 16:36, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
 ...
 
 4. Nomenclature OpenPhoneux/GTA04
 This was a really informative post - thanks!  But how are you going to
 spell the new baby's name?  I see Phoenux, Phoneux, and Phonux all
 within a few lines.
 To make this naming even more confusing:
 
 Today I've noticed webOS enthusiasts calling themselves
 Phoenix International Communications
 http://phxdevices.com/
 
 At least that gives them ample excuse to port webOS to GTA04 ;-)


I asked them to consider the GTA04 for a port. So let's see :)

BTW, we were first [1] :)

[1] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-April/061191.html

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Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?

2012-06-11 Thread Nick Sheppard

On 11/06/12 07:15, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:



 it should be phon-ugs.



That's what I should have asked about - pronunciation rather than 
spelling.  Because (as an English speaker) I've been pronouncing 
OpenPhoenux as open-fee-nux (like the legendary phoenix, fee-nix or 
fii-nix in English).


I've only just realised (Duh!) that the oe is an o-umlaut and 
therefore more like an o sound.  But I think that most English 
speakers would make the same mistake.


That's why I thought the OpenPhonux spelling was good - it forces 
English speakers to say it your way.  (As well as looking more like 
Phone on paper.)


I'll be careful to say phon-ugs from now on!

Nick

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Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?

2012-06-11 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 03.06.2012 um 16:02 schrieb Christoph Pulster:

 If we were voting, I'd go for OpenPhonux
 
 I vote for Openmoko2. The idea is still the same, why change
 the well-known brand name ?

Well, because we (the community) do not own the brand
name and therefore can't use it.

And, if you google for Openmoko, you will find many
comments seeing it as a failure. Therefore a new
bird starting over :)

Nikolaus


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Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?

2012-06-11 Thread pike

Hi




If we were voting, I'd go for OpenPhonux


+1 again. Well, OpenPhonix :-)


The name is derived from:
Open-Phoen(ix)-(Lin)ux


so its openphoenux.org


Linux is pronounced in english as Line-ugs (/ˈlɪnəks/  [1]). I.e. it should be 
phon-ugs.


Phoen is not going to be pronounced as foʊn by anyone ?
It will be Feenugs in most peoples mouth, as in
Phoenic, Phoenicians and Phoenicopteriformes ( flamingos :-) )..

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Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?

2012-06-11 Thread Harley Laue
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
h...@goldelico.com wrote:
 Linux is pronounced in english as Line-ugs (/ˈlɪnəks/  [1]). I.e. it should 
 be phon-ugs.
 [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux

Just as an FYI from a native speaker, /ˈlɪnəks/ would be lin-əks With
lin which sounds like bin or the proper name Lynn and the 'ə' having
the same sound as the 'a' in about. It's also a 'k' sound (as in
kind) here and not a 'g'. The linked wikidpedia article is quite
helpful with mouse-over tooltips for the pronunciation for each letter
in /ˈlɪnəks/

Thus, it would be phon-əks here by your reasoning. But because phoenux
is just phoenix with the 'i' changed to a 'u', I'd pronounce it
exactly the same way but with an 'ə' sound for the u. So based on the
wikipedia's article: [2] pronunciation of phoenix: /ˈfiːnɪks/ I'd say
phoenux would thus be: /ˈfiːnəks/

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix,_Arizona

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Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?

2012-06-11 Thread Jon maddog Hall
On Mon, 2012-06-11 at 15:30 -0500, Harley Laue wrote:
 On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
 h...@goldelico.com wrote:
  Linux is pronounced in english as Line-ugs (/ˈlɪnəks/  [1]). I.e. it 
  should be phon-ugs.
  [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
 
 Just as an FYI from a native speaker, /ˈlɪnəks/ would be lin-əks With
 lin which sounds like bin or the proper name Lynn

Except that Linus' name is pronounced 'Lee-nus', not Lin-us or
Lie-nus.  Therefore if the kernel was named after him, it would have
been pronounced Lee-nux.

As the various groups went back and forth with the pronunciations of
Linux, Linus created a .au file (Ogg had not been developed yet) and
put it in the kernel sources.  You can listen to that audio file,
converted to .ogg, at the Wikipedia site.

Seemingly one of the vast numbers of people could say Lee-nux even
with the audio file, so most either called it Lin-nux or Lie-nux.

After a while Linus said I do not care what you call it as long as you
use it. and things settled down for a while.

One day, after Linus had moved to California and was working for
Transmeta, I phoned him, and he answered the phone Lye-nus.
I said Lea-nus that is not even your name.  He said 'I know, but
nobody in California can say Lea-nus, so I am Lye-nus'.

And so it goes.  While it is nice that everyone pronounce the name
correctly, the most important thing is that they use your project,
including being able to find it using a search engine.

Warmest regards,

maddog (all lower case, one word)


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Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?

2012-06-11 Thread Harley Laue
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Jon maddog Hall mad...@li.org wrote:
 On Mon, 2012-06-11 at 15:30 -0500, Harley Laue wrote:
 On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
 h...@goldelico.com wrote:
  Linux is pronounced in english as Line-ugs (/ˈlɪnəks/  [1]). I.e. it 
  should be phon-ugs.
  [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux

 Just as an FYI from a native speaker, /ˈlɪnəks/ would be lin-əks With
 lin which sounds like bin or the proper name Lynn

 Except that Linus' name is pronounced 'Lee-nus', not Lin-us or
 Lie-nus.  Therefore if the kernel was named after him, it would have
 been pronounced Lee-nux.

 As the various groups went back and forth with the pronunciations of
 Linux, Linus created a .au file (Ogg had not been developed yet) and
 put it in the kernel sources.  You can listen to that audio file,
 converted to .ogg, at the Wikipedia site.

 Seemingly one of the vast numbers of people could say Lee-nux even
 with the audio file, so most either called it Lin-nux or Lie-nux.

 After a while Linus said I do not care what you call it as long as you
 use it. and things settled down for a while.

 One day, after Linus had moved to California and was working for
 Transmeta, I phoned him, and he answered the phone Lye-nus.
 I said Lea-nus that is not even your name.  He said 'I know, but
 nobody in California can say Lea-nus, so I am Lye-nus'.

 And so it goes.  While it is nice that everyone pronounce the name
 correctly, the most important thing is that they use your project,
 including being able to find it using a search engine.

 Warmest regards,

 maddog (all lower case, one word)

I concede that you're right about Linus and Linux. The fact remains
for phoenux would still hold since it's pronounced with the same long
e sound as in Linus' name. So fee-nəks (or fee-nux) and not phon-ugs.

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Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?

2012-06-11 Thread Jon maddog Hall

 
 I concede that you're right about Linus and Linux. The fact remains
 for phoenux would still hold since it's pronounced with the same long
 e sound as in Linus' name. So fee-nəks (or fee-nux) and not phon-ugs.

I think the group should be more concerned about the ugs part, since
the word ugh in American slang:

Ugh Ugh ([oo^]), interj.
 An exclamation expressive of disgust, horror, or recoil. Its
 utterance is usually accompanied by a shudder.
 [1913 Webster]

md


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Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?

2012-06-11 Thread pike

Hi


I think the group should be more concerned about the ugs part,


Absolutely, ugh. And the eee also sounds alarming to me.
I hear eeek-yuck! :-)

I feel sort of idiot trying to emphasize how important
I think this is. But I do. Here I go again.

It's the first impression. All the connotations that
bubble up with the name, define, in a split second,
just how much attention people are going to give it.
And all those split seconds together could
make the difference between a thriving userbase
or a bunch of hardcore hobbyists.

Both are great goals ofcourse. But if you want to
change the world fundamentally, take the branding
seriously all the way. Learning from Apple ?

$2c,
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Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?

2012-06-11 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 11.06.2012 um 22:57 schrieb Jon maddog Hall:

 After a while Linus said I do not care what you call it as long as you
 use it. and things settled down for a while.

I didnt know that yet.

We should do the same with the Openphoenux :)

Nikolaus

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Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?

2012-06-06 Thread Sylvain Paré
:)

2012/6/5 Boudewijn wankelwan...@yahoo.com

 On Monday 04 June 2012 14:49:48 Martin Jansa wrote:
  On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 05:03:55PM +0100, Nick Sheppard wrote:
   On 31/05/12 16:36, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
   ...
  
 4. Nomenclature OpenPhoneux/GTA04
   This was a really informative post - thanks!  But how are you going to
   spell the new baby's name?  I see Phoenux, Phoneux, and Phonux all
   within a few lines.
  To make this naming even more confusing:
 
  Today I've noticed webOS enthusiasts calling themselves
  Phoenix International Communications
  http://phxdevices.com/

 At least that gives them ample excuse to port webOS to GTA04 ;-)

 Boudewijn

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Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?

2012-06-05 Thread Boudewijn
On Monday 04 June 2012 14:49:48 Martin Jansa wrote:
 On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 05:03:55PM +0100, Nick Sheppard wrote:
  On 31/05/12 16:36, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
  ...
  
4. Nomenclature OpenPhoneux/GTA04
  This was a really informative post - thanks!  But how are you going to
  spell the new baby's name?  I see Phoenux, Phoneux, and Phonux all
  within a few lines.
 To make this naming even more confusing:
 
 Today I've noticed webOS enthusiasts calling themselves
 Phoenix International Communications
 http://phxdevices.com/

At least that gives them ample excuse to port webOS to GTA04 ;-)

Boudewijn


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Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?

2012-06-04 Thread Martin Jansa
On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 05:03:55PM +0100, Nick Sheppard wrote:
 On 31/05/12 16:36, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
 ...
  
   4. Nomenclature OpenPhoneux/GTA04
  
   There may be some confusion what GTA04 and OpenPhoneux
   are and what makes them different.
  
   We define:
   * GTA*: the next generation motherboard(s), i.e. electronics
   * OpenPhonux: the future independent mobile handheld project
   aiming at complete devices (i.e. GTA04 + case + components)
  
   Currently, we run the domains www.gta04.org and
   www.openphoenux.org. The Openphoenux.org home
   page will be made more prominent and content rich soon.
  
 
 This was a really informative post - thanks!  But how are you going to 
 spell the new baby's name?  I see Phoenux, Phoneux, and Phonux all 
 within a few lines.
 
 If we were voting, I'd go for OpenPhonux, because it's roughly equal 
 parts Phone, Phoenix and Linux which seems about right.
 
 Also, importantly I think, if you heard it spoken you'd probably be able 
 to guess correctly how it's spelled, which helps with googling and 
 word-of-mouth publicity.  And it has the sound phone in it which helps 
 tell people what it is (Phoenux doesn't, at least in English).  And 
 Phoneux looks as if it should be pronounced in French (or is that just 
 me ...).
 
 But of course it's the parents who should name the baby, and I'm really 
 only a bystander, though soon-to-be GTA04 owner ...

To make this naming even more confusing:

Today I've noticed webOS enthusiasts calling themselves
Phoenix International Communications
http://phxdevices.com/

-- 
Martin 'JaMa' Jansa jabber: martin.ja...@gmail.com


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Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux, Phonix?

2012-06-02 Thread pike

Hi


If we were voting, I'd go for OpenPhonux, because it's roughly equal
parts Phone, Phoenix and Linux which seems about right.


From the domain name: www.openphoenux.org

Which is really too bad. We arent voting,
but if we were, Phonix would be my #1
(phone,unix,phoenix), and Phonux #2
(phone,linux,phoenix).

What's in a name ? The message.
Sales. Promotion. Visibility.
Understanding. Remembering.
It really cant be underestimated.

phonux.com is in use,
phonix.com is for sale.

phoenux' #1 google hit is a
Development platform for new, non-abusable drug
substitution medication. :-)

For the record, I never liked moko
either. Too German.

$2c,
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Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux, Phonix?

2012-06-02 Thread Christoph Bänsch

Am 02.06.2012 18:36, schrieb pike:

Hi


If we were voting, I'd go for OpenPhonux, because it's roughly equal
parts Phone, Phoenix and Linux which seems about right.


From the domain name: www.openphoenux.org

Which is really too bad. We arent voting,
but if we were, Phonix would be my #1
(phone,unix,phoenix), and Phonux #2
(phone,linux,phoenix).

What's in a name ? The message.
Sales. Promotion. Visibility.
Understanding. Remembering.
It really cant be underestimated.

phonux.com is in use,
phonix.com is for sale.

phoenux' #1 google hit is a
Development platform for new, non-abusable drug
substitution medication. :-)

For the record, I never liked moko
either. Too German.


The new phone is Made in Germany  so moko is okay!

$2c,
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